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00:37.40 | cpenguin_home | Hello again |
00:37.48 | kergoth | hey cpenguin_home |
00:37.55 | sorphin | cp_: evening jordan |
00:38.04 | Russ|werk | did the weasel actually not get out this time? |
00:39.22 | sorphin | Russ|werk: i thought i unplugged you yesterday :P |
00:39.49 | Russ|werk | ya, well I guess I must be wireless now |
00:41.56 | sorphin | or something liek that |
00:47.45 | cpenguin_home | Russ|werk: nah, the weasel is doing fine. In fact, he has been so well behaved I might need to find another /away message |
00:48.00 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: things getting better? |
00:48.15 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: yes and no |
00:52.23 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: then I am happy and sad for you.. :) |
00:52.40 | sorphin | should get everything fixed tonight |
00:52.48 | sorphin | however, i'm already on OT again |
00:53.01 | sorphin | and my only meal today |
00:53.06 | sorphin | a cheese danish and a sprite |
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01:32.21 | jacques | damn xchat |
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10:24.24 | theDevil- | is montevistas library optimizer tool updated beyond that on sourceforge CVS? |
10:46.29 | TimRiker | not that I've seen. you might also try the debian boot floppies script. |
10:47.34 | TimRiker | andersee: so it looks like Metrowerks is cutting the other 3 contractors this week. nice stability. ;-) |
10:52.18 | andersee | heh |
10:52.28 | andersee | TimRiker: Who are the other 3? |
10:53.05 | andersee | TimRiker: did they spend a lot to buy Lineo? They seemed determined to obliterate it.... |
11:02.21 | theDevil- | TimRiker: thanks |
11:02.41 | theDevil- | nice tip |
11:03.52 | andersee | theDevil-: specifically, try mklibs.py and mklibs.sh is no longer maintained... |
11:04.03 | andersee | err. s/and/as/ |
11:06.38 | TimRiker | andersee: duck, bart and jimg |
11:08.29 | andersee | TimRiker: nah. |
11:08.51 | andersee | TimRiker: People have been warned I won't be trying to retain binary compat till the 1.0 release... |
11:08.53 | TimRiker | are there no deployed platforms that will care? |
11:09.08 | TimRiker | yeah, but when will that be? ;-) |
11:09.27 | andersee | TimRiker: dunno. Perhaps. But _I_ don't care, and I've given folks ample warning.... |
11:09.50 | TimRiker | but Doc, it hurts when I do "this". |
11:10.05 | andersee | TimRiker: I had to make a change to struct stat, to fix a bug that showed up with GNU tar (while getting dpkg to work) |
11:10.45 | andersee | TimRiker: dpkg has been good to me -- found _two_ subtle uClibc bugs in two days |
11:13.05 | andersee | Fortunately, things are _awfully close. And I have buildroot building my whole uClibc devel world. |
11:13.55 | andersee | Now all I need to a quad P-IV 3 Ghz with 2 Gigs of ram to speed up my compiles... |
11:14.54 | TimRiker | well, talk to those friends of yours, one of them should come through. |
11:15.16 | TimRiker | why only 2G ram? ;-) |
11:15.38 | andersee | hehe |
11:15.53 | andersee | I suppose when wishing, wish big... :) |
11:16.10 | TimRiker | I liked my netfinity with 6G at Caldera. |
11:17.43 | andersee | I bet they arn't even using it now. |
11:18.02 | andersee | we should sneak over there and boost it one night. ;-) |
11:18.21 | TimRiker | if I only knew where "there" would be now. ;-) |
11:18.42 | andersee | TimRiker: they moved? |
11:19.35 | TimRiker | they are over by Lineo, I never worked in that office. |
11:20.10 | TimRiker | course that's SCO that's over by Metrowerks, but you knew what I meant. |
11:20.25 | andersee | heh |
11:20.44 | andersee | tougher to track then hillbilly geneology |
11:22.30 | TimRiker | heh |
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15:13.06 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
15:13.11 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: you here? |
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15:14.08 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: yup |
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15:43.49 | sieve | morning |
15:54.11 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
16:01.58 | kergoth`zzz | hey |
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21:24.05 | scan[ibook] | CosmicPenguin: this is quite twisted... my latest nugget of joy from Bob Smith included "Our partner was very involved in the Agenda device" when I asked how they came to know about PicoGUI. I asked to make sure, but that's got to be Shane Nay |
21:24.47 | scan[ibook] | Last I heard from Shane Nay he was consulting for Valourtech, who's doing a linux-distro-thingy that supposedly includes PicoGUI |
21:27.15 | MonMotha | hum, is there a way to get the webpal to just throw something on the serial console? |
21:27.42 | CosmicPenguin | scan[ibook]: so he's got the PicoGUI skill then? |
21:27.51 | scan[ibook] | CosmicPenguin: who knows? |
21:28.09 | scan[ibook] | Shane's done some PicoGUI work before, but it would take a lot of work to get a usable web browser running |
21:28.11 | CosmicPenguin | scan[ibook]: the Agenda was FLTK based. Did someone bring FLTK in the the picture? We figured that if they had a browser, it might be ViewML |
21:28.15 | scan[ibook] | I asked whether they have screenshots |
21:28.39 | scan[ibook] | CosmicPenguin: I haven't heard of FLTK being used, and if it was it would take some really funky code to get PicoGUI and FLTK cooperating |
21:29.12 | CosmicPenguin | scan[ibook]: Its funky either way |
21:29.16 | scan[ibook] | yup |
21:29.30 | CosmicPenguin | scan[ibook]: Did contact Shane Nay and ask him WTF? |
21:29.32 | scan[ibook] | I'm looking forward to a response, so I can see whether it really is Shane.. and whether they have screenshots |
21:29.35 | scan[ibook] | I should do that |
21:32.11 | CosmicPenguin | stupid internet - propagate DNS entries faster |
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21:33.22 | scan[ibook] | Internet is indeed weird |
21:33.44 | scan[ibook] | Twice in the last few days I lost my connection to freenode, and couldn't reconnect unless I changed my IP |
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21:57.09 | file | hi mallum |
21:58.45 | mallum | hey file |
22:00.09 | MonMotha | hum, I cannot for the life of me get my comp talking to my webpal |
22:00.23 | file | MonMotha: still having problems? |
22:00.32 | MonMotha | yes |
22:00.58 | MonMotha | I know the RS-232 is working, at least when I loop back the TTL level lines it acts like a normal RS-232 loopback (as in I can see what I type) |
22:01.03 | sorphin | MonMotha: i have no probs having mine talk :P |
22:01.16 | sorphin | MonMotha: using a null modem adapter ? |
22:01.38 | MonMotha | sorphin: it's a cisco rollover cable with two terminal adapters on it |
22:01.42 | MonMotha | same cable I use to talk to my tux |
22:01.54 | sorphin | heh |
22:02.02 | MonMotha | is there a way to just get the thing to spit something out on the serial port that a terminal emulator would pick up |
22:02.04 | MonMotha | ? |
22:02.09 | sorphin | MonMotha: and when you turn on the power, you hold down SW2 ? |
22:02.16 | sorphin | yes, |
22:02.17 | MonMotha | yep |
22:02.20 | sorphin | when do hold down SW2 |
22:02.25 | sorphin | it'll print a banner on boot |
22:02.37 | MonMotha | really |
22:02.38 | sorphin | s/do/you/ |
22:02.40 | sorphin | yes really |
22:02.51 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: sure you got the terminal settings correct? |
22:02.52 | MonMotha | 9600 8N1, no flow control? |
22:02.54 | sorphin | hold down SW2, power on, release SW2 |
22:02.59 | sorphin | yup |
22:03.03 | sorphin | correct |
22:03.26 | MonMotha | hum |
22:03.29 | sorphin | what term prog ? |
22:03.32 | MonMotha | which serial port? |
22:03.32 | MonMotha | minicom |
22:03.35 | sorphin | k |
22:03.43 | sorphin | um.. |
22:03.46 | sorphin | the one on J11 :P |
22:03.58 | MonMotha | ah, I was using J10 |
22:04.02 | sorphin | oops :P |
22:04.04 | MonMotha | (which would be the FIRST serial port :) |
22:04.05 | kergoth | hey sorphin, MonMotha, CosmicPenguin |
22:04.13 | sorphin | kergoth: allo digiboy |
22:04.20 | file | kergoth: Good day m'lord. |
22:04.30 | kergoth | hey file |
22:04.32 | MonMotha | hello kergoth |
22:05.03 | MonMotha | yeah, works amazingly well when you use the right serial port :) |
22:05.24 | MonMotha | and this can be used even if the flash is blank or otherwise not bootable? |
22:05.35 | sorphin | no |
22:05.40 | sorphin | not if it's *blank* |
22:06.44 | MonMotha | ah |
22:07.12 | MonMotha | so how the heck does one program the flash on this thing initially? program before placing on board? |
22:07.40 | sorphin | uhh |
22:07.47 | sorphin | you make a flash programmer :P |
22:07.53 | sorphin | that's why you don't blank your damn flash |
22:09.16 | sorphin | you flash ON the board :P |
22:09.34 | sorphin | you are simply replacing the programming already on there :P |
22:10.15 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: ello |
22:10.36 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so.. no word from corporate yet? |
22:21.12 | MonMotha | sorphin: well, my question is...are we replacing the thing providing the RDP when we install linux? |
22:22.43 | sorphin | no |
22:22.52 | sorphin | the RDP is provided by the CPU |
22:23.11 | MonMotha | ok, which raises the question...why doesn't it work when the flash is blank? :) |
22:23.19 | sorphin | uhh |
22:23.27 | sorphin | cuz you need something to actually flash the flash? :P |
22:23.36 | sorphin | or put you into flashing mode i suppose |
22:23.43 | sorphin | ask someone like tom or ken :P |
22:24.15 | MonMotha | from the looks of it, you're uploading a program to program the flash then running it from the debugger |
22:25.18 | MonMotha | which means you're providing it with said programmer |
22:25.19 | sorphin | pretty much |
22:25.29 | MonMotha | but yes, the RDP doesn't work with blank flash (well, no flash :) |
22:25.43 | MonMotha | which to me suggests that the remote debugger is implemented in software? |
22:25.50 | sorphin | but the rdp isn't in the flash tho |
22:25.50 | MonMotha | I guess I should go RTFM for the proc :) |
22:26.00 | sorphin | yup |
22:26.02 | sorphin | you should ;p |
22:38.00 | MonMotha | now that's odd, now I can't get it to sync |
22:38.18 | MonMotha | there we go |
22:46.33 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: word from corporate? Other than "we might fire you next week?" |
22:52.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmf |
22:52.37 | TheMasterMind1 | on the webpal |
22:52.39 | TheMasterMind1 | j11 |
22:52.44 | TheMasterMind1 | how do the pins count |
22:52.48 | TheMasterMind1 | the one with the box is 1 |
22:52.49 | TheMasterMind1 | then what |
23:35.45 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: pixil |
23:35.53 | sorphin | MonMotha: it's stubborn to sync sometimes |
23:40.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: not a word |
23:40.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: but I have ported 2 of the 4 apps to a SQL database |
23:41.22 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: which database? :P (or just sql in general) |
23:43.02 | CosmicPenguin | sqlite |
23:43.30 | sorphin | nod |
23:47.09 | sieve | night all.. I'll drop by the channel a few times this weeked and let everyone know how dave is doing. |
23:47.14 | sieve | later |
23:58.42 | CosmicPenguin | I am otta here as well |
23:58.43 | CosmicPenguin | later |