| 00:08.53 | CosmicPenguin | later folks |
| 00:22.35 | sieve | later all |
| 01:01.19 | TimRiker | SmithMatt: run "make wireless-tools ; make" |
| 01:01.20 | TimRiker | the last make will rebuild the jffs2 image from whatever is in root. |
| 01:03.47 | mastermnd | zlib.mk is broken in buildroot-tux |
| 01:04.21 | mastermnd | CFLAGS="-Os -g" "-fPIC" |
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| 01:27.05 | sorphin | ah yes, nice stable freenode |
| 01:34.23 | mastermnd | indeed |
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| 01:44.13 | TimRiker | we could always move to oftc ;-) |
| 01:44.25 | mastermnd | oftc? |
| 01:44.47 | TimRiker | irc.oftc.net where #blob and #kernelnewbies have gone. |
| 01:45.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:45.22 | sorphin | then i'd have to dual home :P |
| 01:46.22 | mastermnd | Tim, after the difficulty you had moving the conversation from #tuxscreen to #elinux, do you really think everyones going to want to move servers too? |
| 01:46.45 | TimRiker | hehe, perhaps you're right. ;-) |
| 01:47.14 | sorphin | people are still in tuxscreen ;p |
| 01:47.40 | sorphin | true |
| 01:47.41 | sorphin | however |
| 01:47.51 | sorphin | the fact that people still join tuxscreen :P |
| 01:47.58 | Jag | Old channels never die |
| 01:48.06 | TimRiker | heh. |
| 01:48.12 | sorphin | unless you force them to |
| 01:48.13 | Jag | Unless you get the op to auto transfer people |
| 01:48.26 | Jag | Or get rid of the server |
| 01:48.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:57.27 | mastermnd | hmm, talk about freudian slip: |
| 01:57.28 | mastermnd | buildroot-tux/build$ arm -r root |
| 02:00.42 | sorphin | um... ok |
| 02:05.25 | sorphin | maxim sent me the wrong max225s |
| 02:06.41 | Jag | mastermnd: Building an ARM kernel or something? |
| 02:07.11 | mastermnd | ~buildroot |
| 02:07.11 | | from memory, buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project, or see oz buildroot |
| 02:07.57 | mastermnd | it's basically the whole os for the tuxscreen wrapped into one Makefile, and the tux is an arm system. |
| 02:11.04 | Jag | Ahh |
| 02:11.34 | Jag | Never actually seen a TuxScreen except on slashdot |
| 02:11.41 | mastermnd | LTSP stuff? |
| 02:12.03 | Jag | No |
| 02:12.14 | Jag | Working with a IBM NetVista N2800 thin client |
| 02:12.21 | Jag | Doing a custom distro for it |
| 02:12.45 | Jag | It might work with LTSP but LTSP is a little limited on stand alone usage and requires NFS. |
| 02:12.55 | mastermnd | oic. |
| 02:13.03 | Jag | I'm doing pure PXE boots into memory and in the N2800 case I want it all running from flash |
| 02:13.17 | mastermnd | cool |
| 02:13.38 | Jag | Eventually I'd like to have a thin client that can run from |
| 02:13.46 | mastermnd | the local lug is playing with LTSP Monday, that's why I asked. |
| 02:13.47 | Jag | PXE, CF, or CD |
| 02:13.57 | Jag | LTSP is pretty cool |
| 02:14.22 | mastermnd | per someone elses suggestion I'm going to bring a tuxscreen to try and set that up as one of our clients at the meeting. |
| 02:14.45 | Jag | Cool |
| 02:15.44 | Jag | Isn't a tux screen fairly limied on screen? |
| 02:15.56 | Jag | Thought those were like 640x480 |
| 02:16.11 | mastermnd | it is |
| 02:16.30 | mastermnd | doing it just for play. |
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| 02:31.45 | sorphin | GPSFan: evening ken |
| 02:34.56 | TimRiker | yep 640x480x8 |
| 02:41.53 | mastermnd | I don't understand: This works fine when I do it from the command prompt, but doesn't work in the Makefile. |
| 02:42.03 | mastermnd | (cd /home/mastermnd/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-3.2.1; set -e; export LIST=`grep -lr -- "-dynamic-linker.*\.so[\.0-9]*" *`;\ |
| 02:42.03 | mastermnd | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.03 | mastermnd | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.03 | mastermnd | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.03 | mastermnd | export: 1: gcc/FSFChangeLog.11: bad variable name |
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| 03:02.50 | MattSmith | has anybody done cvs snapshots yet? |
| 03:02.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:03.30 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 03:03.37 | sorphin | prpplague: guess what actually showed up todya |
| 03:03.39 | sorphin | today |
| 03:03.45 | prpplague | sorphin: what? |
| 03:03.49 | sorphin | 'my maxim samples ;p |
| 03:03.56 | MattSmith | I made the mistake of doing make clean or dirclean maybe... so now I'm missing tuxphone again. |
| 03:04.00 | prpplague | thats what i was about to say |
| 03:04.11 | sorphin | prpplague: sent me the wrong crap tho |
| 03:04.22 | sorphin | 'sent 233s (fine) and 225s instead of 235s |
| 03:04.36 | prpplague | MattSmith: hey how many lcd's have you got for the tuxscreen? |
| 03:04.41 | sorphin | heh, 225's cost $2.00 more, draw 2ma more, and are SOICs only |
| 03:04.54 | prpplague | sorphin: fun |
| 03:04.59 | MattSmith | prpplague: 2 |
| 03:05.09 | prpplague | sorphin: my pcb prototype stuff showed up today |
| 03:05.19 | prpplague | MattSmith: not using them for anything? |
| 03:05.28 | sorphin | prpplague: cool |
| 03:05.29 | prpplague | MattSmith: they are very sa friendlt |
| 03:05.41 | MattSmith | sa friendly? |
| 03:05.46 | sorphin | strongarm |
| 03:06.20 | MattSmith | well, I've just got the two tuxscreens - nothing else to attach to them.. unless you've got some ideas.. Maybe a display for in-car or something |
| 03:06.42 | prpplague | MattSmith: did you got headless? |
| 03:06.43 | MattSmith | I may get rid of the whole lot if I can't figure this stuff out.. |
| 03:06.44 | MonMotha | sorphin: they sent me a chip in SSOP even though I specifically requested DIP...I can't work with SSOPs...SOICs maybe (solder small wire right onto the pins), but not SSOPTs |
| 03:06.58 | prpplague | MattSmith: whats up? |
| 03:07.22 | sorphin | MonMotha: 14 pins |
| 03:07.27 | sorphin | *2 |
| 03:07.34 | MattSmith | prpplague: headless? I'm trying to add wireless-tools to the tuxscreen image - I'm not having much luck. I'm trying to turn them into ap's... |
| 03:07.45 | sorphin | MonMotha: better spacing than the arm ;) |
| 03:07.58 | MonMotha | sorphin: true...though still tough to work with |
| 03:07.59 | MattSmith | the phone part got hit by lightning, so it's either get this working, or get rid of them. |
| 03:08.08 | sorphin | MonMotha: these aren't bad |
| 03:08.26 | MonMotha | I just hope they don't send me a uCSP (chip scale) package |
| 03:08.44 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:08.47 | MonMotha | which are basically ungodly small BGAs |
| 03:09.04 | sorphin | MonMotha: better warm up that toaster oven ;) |
| 03:09.31 | prpplague | MattSmith: please give me an email if you decide to get ride of the core |
| 03:09.41 | MattSmith | k.. |
| 03:09.49 | MonMotha | sorphin: I don't think I could manage a uCSP in a toaster oven |
| 03:12.59 | prpplague | farscape frell'n rocks |
| 03:13.41 | sorphin | not |
| 03:14.09 | prpplague | sorphin: ya ya |
| 03:14.37 | prpplague | sorphin: ya ya |
| 03:15.23 | prpplague | this evening epi was awesome |
| 03:15.44 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:16.43 | MattSmith | So, no cvs snapshots anybody? |
| 03:17.18 | prpplague | ibot: tell MattSmith about prpplague |
| 03:17.47 | prpplague | MattSmith: let me know if you need some help |
| 03:19.17 | MattSmith | prpplague: I could use a little direction on what is required for a .mk file... and I need the tuxphone package source.. but anon cvs is down... |
| 03:19.59 | prpplague | MattSmith: you can read the info about the .mk from the buildroot info |
| 03:20.08 | prpplague | ibot: buildroot |
| 03:20.09 | | somebody said buildroot was a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project, or see oz buildroot |
| 03:20.24 | prpplague | let me check about the buildroot |
| 03:20.53 | sorphin | prpplague: sf cvs is disabled now, so.. |
| 03:21.08 | prpplague | MattSmith: you can get a base tar ball from http://www.tuxscreen.net/download/ |
| 03:21.55 | prpplague | MattSmith: that can get you started |
| 03:22.04 | prpplague | sorphin: whats up with sf? |
| 03:22.39 | sorphin | prpplague: from what russ said, too much load |
| 03:22.47 | prpplague | sorphin: i think i'm with ac about sf, we are putting tooooooo much confidencience and dependence with sf |
| 03:23.09 | sorphin | ac ? |
| 03:23.39 | prpplague | alan cox |
| 03:24.45 | mastermnd | MattSmith: I can send a current buildroot |
| 03:24.49 | MattSmith | prpplague: I'm a little past started... I've builtroot successfully - I'm not seeing any .mk file info in the buildroot area |
| 03:25.18 | mastermnd | look in buildrook/make |
| 03:26.22 | MattSmith | there's a bunch of .mk files - is there one in particular that is well commented or something? |
| 03:27.32 | mastermnd | don't think so, pick the one that's most similar to what your doing as an example, or the simplest looking one. |
| 03:27.58 | mastermnd | they're just like Makefiles |
| 03:28.32 | prpplague | MattSmith: one of the best to look at is the tinyx build |
| 03:28.51 | MattSmith | k |
| 03:28.57 | prpplague | MattSmith: the thing to remember is that all function needs to be seperated with a ; |
| 03:29.10 | prpplague | MattSmith: you can use alot of shell script functionality |
| 03:29.12 | MattSmith | mastermnd: except different |
| 03:29.37 | prpplague | MattSmith: what kinda project are you working on? |
| 03:29.59 | prpplague | MattSmith: btw, most every one is every familiar with what every one else is working on |
| 03:30.11 | MattSmith | um.... wireless access point.. |
| 03:30.19 | prpplague | MattSmith: makes it easier to get to the person that knows the most about the topic |
| 03:30.32 | prpplague | MattSmith: oops you already told me that |
| 03:30.36 | MattSmith | :) |
| 03:31.11 | prpplague | MattSmith: commercial product research or just education? |
| 03:31.29 | MattSmith | turning my blown up tuxscreen boards into ap's.. for personal use |
| 03:31.40 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:33.43 | MattSmith | I've done the 5v mod, got the driver loaded and working, I just can't modify the wireless cards settings without the wireless toolkit |
| 03:34.44 | prpplague | MattSmith: ahh, you've got the hard part done, its patience time |
| 03:34.54 | prpplague | MattSmith: little here,little there |
| 03:34.58 | prpplague | MattSmith: it'll work |
| 03:35.18 | prpplague | MattSmith: don't get too impatiencent |
| 03:35.37 | MattSmith | it'll never work if I can't download the source code because CVS is down. |
| 03:35.43 | MattSmith | ...for tuxphone |
| 03:35.49 | prpplague | MattSmith: agreed |
| 03:36.39 | MattSmith | unless there's a way to make it not look for tuxphone.. |
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| 03:41.12 | MattSmith | does anybody have a cvs login that can get the tuxphone package? |
| 03:42.02 | prpplague | MattSmith: TimRiker would be the guru on all access |
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| 04:09.05 | sorphin | kergoth: re ya dupe |
| 04:09.18 | kergoth | yeap |
| 04:09.26 | kergoth | yo dan, whatre you up to tonight |
| 04:09.29 | sorphin | any invasion of the digifreaks |
| 04:09.57 | sorphin | eh, had to help mom w/ some puter shit *grumble* was watching Black Hole and talking to the gf |
| 04:10.10 | kergoth | ack, i hate helping family |
| 04:10.18 | kergoth | with computer shit |
| 04:10.42 | sorphin | yeah |
| 04:11.00 | sorphin | wishing i'd never given her the damn thing, she retains little |
| 04:13.07 | sorphin | kergoth: in other news, my maxim parts showed, but one of the samples is wrong (225 SOICs instead of 235 dips), and the Z is still sleeping in the cradle ;p |
| 04:15.13 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:16.51 | MonMotha | sorphin: how well do you think a USB mod for the tuxscreen would be received? think it's worth the hack value or should I not bother? |
| 04:16.54 | prpplague | ha, dextor's libretto is on |
| 04:17.04 | MonMotha | the hardware appears to be rather simple, but SA-1100 (and 1110) UDC is a pain to work with in software |
| 04:17.15 | sorphin | MonMotha: hmm |
| 04:17.28 | sorphin | MonMotha: i'd see what daveyboy thinks and/or tim |
| 04:18.00 | MonMotha | I can do some work on it (and we can steal from the ipaq people's usbf driver as I know it's GPL or maybe the zaurus one) |
| 04:18.34 | kergoth | word is the USBD stack from Lineo is a better design than usb-ether, but either would certainly do the job. |
| 04:18.40 | MonMotha | I'm looking at the fairchild USB1T11A line transceiver for hardware...should be pretty much direct connect to the SA-1100 UDC pins (though I need to confirm that) |
| 04:18.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'd love one for the hack kit, and the core module for the tuxscreen should be pretty close |
| 04:18.51 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah, it should carry over fairly nicely |
| 04:19.08 | sorphin | MonMotha: :) |
| 04:19.41 | MonMotha | I should have asked Intel for a SA-1100 dev manual when I asked for the SA-1110 dev manuals |
| 04:20.23 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, once I get my SA-1110 manual I'll get started |
| 04:20.38 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:20.43 | MonMotha | 497 (or whatever it is) PDFs are a little inconvenient to read so I asked for it in dead tree form |
| 04:21.12 | prpplague | ahh, i have an old hp duplex printer for that purpose |
| 04:21.36 | MonMotha | well, they're free...you just have to wait for them to be shipped |
| 04:21.41 | MonMotha | and then you get nice binding and all |
| 04:21.51 | MonMotha | they don't ship them fast...UPS ground I think |
| 04:22.04 | MonMotha | I'm amazed at TI and fairchild with samples and shipping |
| 04:22.14 | MonMotha | TI ships UPS next day air, fairchild FedEx next day air |
| 04:22.36 | prpplague | MonMotha: hell, i got some crystal samples send fedex overnight red... |
| 04:22.42 | MonMotha | wow |
| 04:23.04 | MonMotha | code red is damn fast (I've seen times of under 8 hours for fedex red) |
| 04:23.12 | sorphin | MonMotha: and maxim, slowest 1st class i've ever seen |
| 04:23.17 | MonMotha | same day shipping...next best thing to a courier |
| 04:23.19 | MonMotha | sorphin: heh |
| 04:23.23 | sorphin | they picked my samples on the 7th :P |
| 04:23.48 | prpplague | MonMotha: you know its so strange that you can get chip samples free and quick, and you order an arm board and you have to pay >1k and wait forever |
| 04:24.06 | sorphin | prpplague: they're baiting you w/ the samples that's why |
| 04:24.07 | MonMotha | prpplague: yep :) |
| 04:24.18 | sorphin | prpplague: when they have your $ for the order, they make you wait |
| 04:24.52 | MonMotha | got some nice shift registers |
| 04:24.55 | MonMotha | very useful |
| 04:25.07 | MonMotha | sucks that RS doesn't have them |
| 04:26.50 | prpplague | RS is a shit hole these days |
| 04:28.46 | MonMotha | yes |
| 04:29.12 | prpplague | MonMotha: if you want to electronics these days you have to go all out and be a pure whore during the day to afford it |
| 04:29.29 | MattSmith | can anybody recommend a good irc client (not gui) ? |
| 04:29.57 | kergoth | irssi, bitchx |
| 04:29.59 | prpplague | MonMotha: in the last 6 months i've never been closer to understanding the mentality of stripers |
| 04:30.47 | MonMotha | prpplague: ??? |
| 04:30.59 | kergoth | prpplague: lol |
| 04:31.30 | prpplague | MonMotha: you see kergoth understands |
| 04:32.10 | MonMotha | *swoosh* |
| 04:33.02 | prpplague | MonMotha: i.e. prostitue yourself out during the day for money |
| 04:33.37 | MonMotha | prpplague: ah, I was thinking too deeply |
| 04:33.41 | MonMotha | I thought it was a metaphor of some kind |
| 04:34.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: no metaphor, ppl like me and kergoth get fux0red on a regular basis to support our computer habbit |
| 04:38.47 | MonMotha | I see... |
| 04:38.50 | MonMotha | tmi |
| 04:45.18 | MonMotha | prpplague: I'll take a look at a possible USB mod for your hackkit once i get my dev manual, I also plan on slapping an ISA bus on the thing |
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| 04:59.33 | MattSmithx | BitchX - much better... |
| 05:05.43 | MattSmith | is there a trick to making files in /build/root actually appear in the image? |
| 05:07.38 | MattSmith | nevermind... |
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| 15:05.51 | MattSmith | good morning |
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| 15:31.31 | file | hey sjhill |
| 15:36.21 | sjhill | lo' file |
| 15:36.44 | file | how are you? |
| 15:40.41 | sjhill | good...spending the day organizing and recovering from Pittsburgh trip |
| 15:40.50 | file | ic |
| 16:06.42 | prpplague | sjhill: pittsburgh? |
| 16:06.53 | prpplague | sjhill: funny, i'm cleaning house as well |
| 16:20.31 | sjhill | prpplague: yeah, had an interview |
| 16:21.12 | prpplague | sjhill: any luck? |
| 16:23.46 | sjhill | prpplague: know in about 2 weeks |
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| 17:29.18 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
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| 18:20.14 | mattsmith | anybody around? |
| 18:20.47 | file | me |
| 18:21.24 | mattsmith | do you know - is there a way to just rebuild a buildroot image so that files added to /build/root will appear in the image? It's not happening for me.. |
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| 18:22.58 | mattsmith | :) |
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| 18:26.27 | CosmicPenguin | mattsmith: when ever you run mkjffs, it should build everything in build/root |
| 18:26.48 | mattsmith | ah... |
| 18:29.35 | mattsmith | can't seem to find mkjffs |
| 18:30.11 | CosmicPenguin | mattsmith: it has to be in the buildroot, otherwise nothing would work |
| 18:30.57 | mattsmith | mkfs.jffs? |
| 18:32.55 | CosmicPenguin | thats it |
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| 19:21.57 | mattsmith | cool.. now they're in the image, but when I try to run them, it says "No such file or directory"... am I missing something? |
| 19:22.12 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, your libc |
| 19:22.24 | CosmicPenguin | Did you build them with uclibc like the rest of the apps? |
| 19:22.50 | mattsmith | Hmmm... probably not |
| 19:23.15 | CosmicPenguin | mattsmith: you really gotta insert your app into the buildroot - otherwise stuff like that will happen |
| 19:23.27 | CosmicPenguin | mattsmith: everyone needs to play the same, so thats why the buildroot comes in handy |
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| 19:50.15 | smj | Anyone here used cramfs on a compact flash? |
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| 21:24.53 | file | wb |
| 21:26.22 | CosmicPenguin | th=x |
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| 22:04.13 | mastermnd | anyone with tuxscreen commit access here? |
| 22:07.17 | MonMotha6 | mastermnd: certainly. why? |
| 22:07.40 | MonMotha6 | I don't but I know Erik does, and some others too |
| 22:08.33 | mastermnd | I've got a line to add to busybox.mk |
| 22:08.55 | mastermnd | a clean buildroot wont make it past linux.mk without this line: |
| 22:09.05 | mastermnd | $(BUSYBOX_DIR)/scripts/depmod.pl: busybox-unpack |
| 22:09.14 | MonMotha6 | that would be erik |
| 22:14.30 | CosmicPenguin | mastermnd: send a patch to the Tuxscreen list |
| 22:14.56 | CosmicPenguin | I've got commit, but thats Erik's area of expertise |
| 22:15.50 | mastermnd | ok, what about zlib.mk? the way CFLAGS is defined it doesn't come out right. |
| 22:16.34 | CosmicPenguin | mastermnd: patches are always acceptable |
| 22:23.25 | mastermnd | "cvs diff -u <filename>" correct? |
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| 22:30.20 | CosmicPenguin | No, do a normal diff - CVS diffs have issues |
| 22:30.27 | CosmicPenguin | diff -urN <original> <new> |
| 22:30.47 | CosmicPenguin | Or rather, diff -urN --exclude CVS <orignal> <new> |
| 22:30.49 | andersee | mastermnd: take a look at the latest here |
| 22:30.52 | andersee | mastermnd: http://www.uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/make/ |
| 22:31.01 | mastermnd | ok |
| 22:31.33 | andersee | mastermnd: I've made a _lot_ of updates that I've not yet merged back into the tuxscreen buildroot |
| 22:32.30 | MonMotha6 | andersee: does OpenSSL work now? |
| 22:33.03 | andersee | mastermnd: oops. Looks like I forgot to update the zlib cflags |
| 22:33.10 | andersee | MonMotha6: it works for me |
| 22:33.23 | MonMotha6 | andersee: nice...I know the tuxscreen one didn't last I checked |
| 22:35.44 | andersee | MonMotha6: Hmm. |
| 22:37.39 | mastermnd | are the .mk files pretty much drop-in compatible between the uclibc.org buildroot and the tuxscreen one? |
| 22:38.32 | andersee | mastermnd: for most of them yes. |
| 22:38.52 | andersee | mastermnd: For a few specialized one, like linux.mk, no |
| 22:40.14 | andersee | mastermnd: pcmcia is another one that would need a little bit of hand tuning. |
| 22:41.42 | mastermnd | ok, that's basically what I figured. |
| 22:41.56 | andersee | mastermnd: if you just grabbed buildroot from uclibc.org, you'll want to do a 'cvs up'. I just checked in a few little fixes, including the zlib cflags fix |
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| 22:42.25 | andersee | mastermnd: for most things though, they are totally interchangable |
| 22:42.28 | file | hi mallum |
| 22:42.34 | mastermnd | I'm still just looking at cvsweb, I'll grab it in a bit. |
| 22:42.42 | mallum | MOOOOO |
| 22:43.17 | file | mallum: moo moo? |
| 22:44.30 | mastermnd | the uclibc busybox.mk didn't help. I'm not sure if this is best fixed in busybox.mk or linux.mk, but it's easiest to fix in busybox.mk |
| 22:44.54 | mastermnd | make: *** No rule to make target `/home/mastermnd/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/busybox-0.60.5/scripts/depmod.pl', needed by `/home/mastermnd/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/root/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk6-tux1/modules.dep'. Stop. |
| 22:47.28 | andersee | mastermnd: Lemme take a look at that one |
| 22:48.01 | mallum | flashdance is on |
| 22:48.07 | mallum | and Im being mde to watch it :( |
| 22:51.13 | file | oh ic |
| 22:54.46 | andersee | mastermnd: I've merged most everything back into buildroot-tux |
| 22:55.00 | andersee | mastermnd: Lemme try to build it, then I'll commit the lot |
| 22:55.30 | mastermnd | ok, thanks. |
| 22:55.45 | file | talk to me... like lovers do |
| 22:55.49 | file | walk with me... like lovers do |
| 23:13.13 | MonMotha6 | ok, I really should learn more about analog electronics... |
| 23:13.55 | file | MonMotha6: hehe |
| 23:15.27 | MonMotha6 | file: well, I have a situation that there has to be a solution to, but I don't know it |
| 23:16.07 | MonMotha6 | I've got the output of a flip-flop cascaded to the input of another flip-flop to make a poor man's shift register, however I also have each set of outputs going to an address bus |
| 23:16.28 | file | lol |
| 23:16.32 | MonMotha6 | normally that bus is at 5V, but there is a situation where on pin has to be at 12V. I can tri-state the latches outputs, but the inputs are a problem |
| 23:16.41 | MonMotha6 | 12V is well outside the ratings on the inputs of these things |
| 23:17.01 | MonMotha6 | starting over? |
| 23:18.11 | MonMotha6 | there's no easy way around the problem that if I use cascaded shift registers (as I will have to...they don't make 24 bit parallel in-parallel out shift registers that shift 8 bits at a time), the input of one will be on the A9 pin of this PROM |
| 23:18.26 | MonMotha6 | and the A9 pin has to be able to be raised to 12V to get the manuf. ID |
| 23:18.52 | file | mmm |
| 23:18.54 | file | I dunno |
| 23:32.08 | ade|desk | MonMotha6: best way to do 12V to ttl is just a straight invert buffer, most can cope with high inputs (~15V) |
| 23:32.54 | ade|desk | and invert the invert of course |
| 23:32.56 | MonMotha6 | ade|desk: so basically just throw a buffer in between those two and let it handle the 12V? |
| 23:33.12 | ade|desk | should work |
| 23:33.20 | ade|desk | not cmos though |
| 23:33.20 | MonMotha6 | k |
| 23:33.52 | MonMotha6 | yeah, I may have to find a TTL one...fortunately all my parts are HCT so they can interface directly to a TTL part |
| 23:35.04 | ade|desk | HCT .. fast a useful ... but not here :/ |
| 23:35.18 | MonMotha6 | yeah |
| 23:35.26 | MonMotha6 | well, radio shack sells HCT parts |
| 23:36.20 | ade|desk | poo my browser just stopped :( |
| 23:36.38 | MonMotha6 | ade|desk: someone suggested jsut using a zener diode :) |
| 23:38.13 | ade|desk | that would work |
| 23:38.45 | ade|desk | just find one with correct break |
| 23:38.54 | MonMotha6 | 5V, right? |
| 23:39.02 | MonMotha6 | if it's over 5V, drop it to ground |
| 23:39.24 | MonMotha6 | damn, I'm actually going to have to do some calculations here :) |
| 23:40.22 | ade|desk | but (5~12)-->5V and below 3 -->0V yes ? |
| 23:41.11 | MonMotha6 | nono, the input that I'm protecting doesn't care when the 12V will be coming |
| 23:41.46 | MonMotha6 | what I have is an output hooked up to two inputs; one is a PROM, and the other is another flip-flop |
| 23:42.10 | MonMotha6 | when the 12V is applied, I'm attempting to read the Manuf. ID fromthe PROM, so the flip-flops are all disabled anyway and will be put back into a known state before being used again |
| 23:43.29 | MonMotha6 | I could just put a buffer on the A9 pin (the one getting hit with 12V) |
| 23:43.47 | MonMotha6 | the inputs will be tri-state when the 12V is applied, and the input of the flip-flop will be behind the buffer |
| 23:44.11 | ade|desk | ah right |
| 23:44.40 | MonMotha6 | I should probably do that anyway to protect all the inputs |
| 23:46.09 | Jag | Anyone here booted a cramfs off a falsh device? |
| 23:46.11 | Jag | flash even |
| 23:46.41 | ade|desk | why whats up ? |
| 23:48.02 | Jag | Can't get this one to boot |
| 23:48.16 | Jag | I'm trying it with Midori's cramfsboot bootloader |
| 23:48.26 | Jag | It doesn't seem to be co-operating |
| 23:48.43 | Jag | I don't think grub supports loading the kernel from a cramfs partition. |
| 23:48.49 | Jag | Nor syslinux |
| 23:49.28 | Jag | Hmm.. Perhaps I could put the kernel on a never actually mounted ext2 filesystem, and just have it mount the cramfs root.. |
| 23:50.54 | MonMotha6 | Jag: or just throw it on a raw partition |
| 23:51.07 | MonMotha6 | lots of stuff can boot that |
| 23:51.28 | Jag | So, just leave the kernel in a raw paritition 1, and dd the cramfs onto partition 2? |
| 23:51.37 | Jag | And then load grub or something in as the boot laoder. |
| 23:51.51 | Jag | Hmm.. grubs a bad idea since it wants it's stage 1.5 off a file system |
| 23:51.58 | Jag | syslinux would be the way to go I guess |
| 23:52.13 | MonMotha6 | why use GRUB? I'd think it would be darn simple to boot it at that point |
| 23:52.23 | Jag | It's accessed as an IDE device |
| 23:52.30 | MonMotha6 | in fact, on some arch's the kernel can boot itself at that point |
| 23:52.33 | MonMotha6 | like x86 on floppy |
| 23:52.36 | MonMotha6 | dunno if it can do it off a hdd |
| 23:52.44 | Jag | Not on a hd |
| 23:52.57 | Jag | But some minimal bootloader will do the trick |
| 23:53.17 | MonMotha6 | basically the kernel just needs to be copied to RAM and jumped to, right? |
| 23:53.19 | Jag | lilo perhaps, it can run just in the boot sector |
| 23:53.24 | MonMotha6 | there you go then |
| 23:53.40 | Jag | I'll give it a shot. Thanks |
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