| 00:17.05 | CosmicPenguin | Time to go....... |
| 00:17.17 | sorphin | :P |
| 00:29.47 | Lethal | sorphin, you get your linux smp working yet? |
| 00:30.10 | sorphin | Lethal: haven't messed w/ it, busy w/ other things |
| 00:30.24 | Lethal | ah |
| 00:30.32 | Lethal | well, fyi: |
| 00:30.32 | Lethal | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.33 | Lethal | 206 processes: 184 sleeping, 17 running, 0 zombie, 5 stopped |
| 00:30.33 | Lethal | CPU0 states: 95.3% user 4.2% system 0.0% nice 0.0% iowait 0.0% idle |
| 00:30.33 | Lethal | CPU1 states: 96.0% user 3.4% system 0.0% nice 0.0% iowait 0.0% idle |
| 00:30.39 | Lethal | it works fine for me :P |
| 00:31.12 | sorphin | that's nice |
| 00:31.31 | Lethal | I guess. I just haven't seen the issue with having work distributed like you have. |
| 00:31.43 | Lethal | so I'm not sure whats up with your kernel |
| 00:31.48 | kergoth | what issue? |
| 00:32.45 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:32.52 | sorphin | kergoth: hey, ready for my OZ question? :P |
| 00:33.03 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:33.17 | sorphin | mentions no SD support |
| 00:33.26 | sorphin | that just mean the SD part of an SD card, right ? |
| 00:33.40 | sorphin | i.e. i can still use an SD as a normal MMC? |
| 00:34.03 | kergoth | sd isnt used as mmc, its used as sd without security |
| 00:34.10 | kergoth | but yes, both sd and mmc are supported in OZ just fine |
| 00:35.40 | sorphin | kergoth: k |
| 00:36.13 | sorphin | all i'd meant was since MMC's are hard to grab atm, and SD's arent', and since i don't give a rats about the SD part of the SD card, i just need an "MMC" card... etc |
| 00:36.44 | kergoth | SD support is up in the air going forward |
| 00:36.55 | kergoth | whether it'll work on the 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1 kernel, that is |
| 00:37.12 | kergoth | course then, so is MMC, since sharp wont give me the specs on the SPI registers on their fucking proprietary chip |
| 00:37.16 | kergoth | bastards |
| 00:37.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:37.34 | sorphin | lovely |
| 00:37.38 | prpplague | man i just went to 4 of the bigest book chains in our area |
| 00:37.45 | sorphin | prpplague: for... |
| 00:37.52 | prpplague | not one had and electronics mag or book |
| 00:37.56 | sorphin | prpplague: how to start your own nudiebar ? |
| 00:37.59 | prpplague | s/and/an |
| 00:38.14 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, what's the prob ? |
| 00:38.16 | prpplague | sorphin: thats called free beer night |
| 00:38.39 | prpplague | sorphin: problem is that american ppl are stupid |
| 00:39.14 | sorphin | prpplague: nono, i meant your lectronics prob :P |
| 00:39.23 | prpplague | sorphin: lack of education |
| 00:39.39 | sorphin | know ohm's law ? |
| 00:39.55 | prpplague | sorphin: ya i know all the basics, just no hands on |
| 00:40.42 | prpplague | sorphin: i've got three years of EE college classes, but not one of them explained how to use a bypass cap |
| 00:41.30 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:41.35 | prpplague | sorphin: sometimes i think i pissed all that college away, i should have found someone like TomW and payed him to apprentice with him |
| 00:41.44 | file | kergoth: would you like some source code for SD and MMC? |
| 00:42.12 | file | oh sorry - misread |
| 00:42.41 | sorphin | heh, i know i pissed mine away, i'm a degree'd EE, and i rarely use it |
| 00:43.36 | kergoth | file: source code for SD? last i checked you ahve to pay like 10 grand and sign an NDA to become a member of the group to get the necessary information without being sued. but then I'm in the US :) |
| 00:43.54 | kergoth | I should get a degree. |
| 00:43.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:45.20 | file | kergoth: well for accessing Secure Digital... |
| 00:45.25 | file | let me see where I put it.. |
| 00:45.47 | file | reading it... |
| 00:46.29 | file | kergoth: what's your e-mail address? |
| 00:47.40 | sorphin | nah, not worth it ;) |
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| 00:49.10 | fontenot | anyone messed with the viewsonic "smart displays" ? |
| 00:49.17 | prpplague | kergoth: your alread have a degree in madness with maintaining OZ and work at Digi at the same time |
| 00:49.22 | fontenot | they have xscale, 128/64 |
| 00:49.27 | file | ibot: kergoth? |
| 00:49.28 | | i guess kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 00:49.40 | prpplague | fontenot: url? |
| 00:50.13 | file | kergoth: e-mail sent |
| 00:50.39 | fontenot | prpplague: I have only seen various vendors like compusa's info - I havent looked at the viewsonic site yet - let me check |
| 00:52.15 | kergoth | file: thanks |
| 00:52.24 | file | kergoth: tell me if it's useful... |
| 00:52.25 | fontenot | prpplague: http://www.viewsonic.com/products/airpanel_airpanelv150.htm |
| 00:52.45 | file | kergoth: it's C++... and it gives CRC stuff... determining card type, returning manufacturer data |
| 00:52.55 | fontenot | also the 10 inch model: http://www.viewsonic.com/products/airpanel_airpanelv110.htm |
| 00:56.19 | file | kergoth: might be neat to have an app that displays card information and such... |
| 00:57.16 | kergoth | file: indeed it would, thats cool |
| 00:57.23 | Russ|werk | hmm..when I saw "sed, ash, and LINENO" |
| 00:57.32 | kergoth | file: like cardctl ident/info, only for sdmmc :) |
| 00:57.37 | Russ|werk | I immediately thought, "what does lineo have to do with sed and ash?" |
| 00:57.46 | file | :) |
| 00:57.47 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:57.56 | file | kergoth: have you looked at it yet? |
| 00:58.14 | kergoth | file: nah not yet, i'm analyzing an oops to determine the source of a panic atm |
| 00:58.21 | file | kergoth: k |
| 00:58.43 | kergoth | Russ|werk: we added a slight tweak or two to backlight, stores the power status in a static var at suspend time and sets it again on wakeup. heh |
| 00:59.11 | Russ|werk | kergoth: ah, thanks |
| 00:59.40 | kergoth | tiny thing, but i got tired of my backlight coming on on resume regardless ;) |
| 00:59.49 | kergoth | can send you the .. 5 line patch ;) |
| 01:00.08 | file | kergoth: be aware this code is tied into a proprietary OS... okay I'm done talking |
| 01:00.11 | kergoth | backlight works quite well, thanks for it |
| 01:00.13 | kergoth | file: thanks |
| 01:00.24 | Russ|werk | ya, send it along, I'll add it in |
| 01:00.32 | file | kergoth: and please oh please tell me what you think and if it's useful |
| 01:00.36 | kergoth | file: will do |
| 01:29.34 | jacques | it would be so cool to get linux running on one of those smart displays |
| 01:29.42 | jacques | tho they are somewhat overpriced I think |
| 01:29.50 | jacques | unless you compare them to a pda... |
| 01:30.28 | jacques | they are speced like a supersices pda with bigger display, more RAM and builtin wireless |
| 01:34.27 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: they are pretty fun. We played with a couple back when Century thought they were in the embedded business |
| 01:44.14 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: i think they would rock with linux |
| 01:44.26 | jacques | just need a bootldr... |
| 01:48.26 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: doesn't everything just need a bootldr? |
| 01:48.27 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 01:48.52 | CosmicPenguin | "Yeah, I could get Linux running on the space shuttle, if I had a bootloader..." |
| 01:49.43 | file | CosmicPenguin: not unless Linux is the boot loader... and the BIOS... |
| 01:52.51 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: good point :-\ |
| 02:03.08 | jacques | i wonder if anyone is working on getting linux to run on them |
| 02:03.33 | jacques | they are pretty useless as is because they only suppotr windows xp |
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| 02:26.46 | sjhill | sorphin: yo' whipping boy |
| 02:28.02 | file | sjhill: Hi Mister MIPS. |
| 02:28.11 | sjhill | hi file |
| 02:28.20 | file | how are you/what's up? |
| 02:28.28 | sjhill | file: will be releasing a 2.4.20 nino kernel soon with busybox |
| 02:28.38 | sjhill | file: then i can get back to touchscreen support |
| 02:29.03 | file | sjhill: then PicoGUI? |
| 02:29.05 | MonMotha | not easy |
| 02:29.45 | sjhill | MonMotha: you have more balls than me...those freaking quad flat packs....grrr |
| 02:30.07 | MonMotha | sjhill: I was practicing on a board I don't care about |
| 02:30.22 | MonMotha | I have one of those magnifying glass on an arm things that you clip on to the table and has a light on it |
| 02:30.24 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
| 02:30.35 | MonMotha | then I got out a magnifying glass too...I still can't see where I bridged the pins |
| 02:30.36 | file | MonMotha: for that mobo+CPU+RAM if I get some money from these auctions you can bill it to my UPS Account.. |
| 02:30.40 | MonMotha | I can see the joint clearly |
| 02:30.57 | MonMotha | file: you know I don't have any commercial shipping accounts |
| 02:31.06 | MonMotha | I ship from mail boxes etc. I can't do anything fancy |
| 02:31.33 | file | will make... difficult... |
| 02:31.53 | sjhill | MonMotha: yup, i have one of those nice light+magnifying glass lamps....$10 at the recycling store |
| 02:32.00 | MonMotha | sjhill: oh, very useful |
| 02:32.04 | MonMotha | but I need more magnification |
| 02:32.16 | MonMotha | smaller wire might be useful too...30 guage is barely small enough |
| 02:32.16 | file | MonMotha: even with USPS you'd have to go to a post office |
| 02:32.20 | MonMotha | and I don't have very good flux |
| 02:32.34 | MonMotha | file: yeah, I have a post office around too...but for UPS and FedEx I ship through MBE |
| 02:32.42 | MonMotha | they're the closes FedEx/UPS place |
| 02:33.00 | file | MonMotha: oh that's fine - my copy of Xandros was sent MBE |
| 02:33.10 | file | I thought you meant you drop the stuff in mail boxes |
| 02:33.11 | file | LOL |
| 02:33.15 | MonMotha | no no |
| 02:33.24 | MonMotha | it's a shipping place :) |
| 02:33.31 | MonMotha | I do my own packing so I don't have to pay them |
| 02:33.57 | MonMotha | though almost all my packaging is recycled, except boxes sometimes |
| 02:34.08 | MonMotha | packing peanuts, padded mailers, etc...all reused from old things |
| 02:34.17 | file | I do the same |
| 02:34.27 | MonMotha | saves a lot on packaging materials |
| 02:34.37 | file | I'm shipping a CPU/Heatsink/Fan in the thing that my MMC came in |
| 02:34.56 | MonMotha | sjhill: any other suggesstions for hitting a pin on a QFP? or CosmicPenguin? |
| 02:35.35 | MonMotha | or prpplague |
| 02:35.40 | MonMotha | or anyone for that matter ;) |
| 02:38.10 | file | MonMotha: got any faster Slot 1 CPUs I can buy? |
| 02:38.24 | MonMotha | 266 is as fast as I have laying around |
| 02:38.36 | file | k |
| 02:40.29 | file | oh neat - 5 cents interest |
| 02:41.08 | file | lol |
| 02:41.31 | jacques | I made 55 cents on my checking account last month |
| 02:41.39 | file | MonMotha: I'll see how Xandros performs on my system, and if it's really bad - I'll.. want it... |
| 02:41.50 | prpplague | MonMotha: whats the question? |
| 02:42.01 | MonMotha | prpplague: any more suggesstions for soldering to QFP pins? |
| 02:42.11 | file | jacques: they only just started giving me interests - it wasn't giving me interest for about 5 years :p |
| 02:42.14 | MonMotha | I thought I managed to do it, but I bridged two pins (and I can't even see the bridge) |
| 02:42.16 | file | er interest |
| 02:42.29 | file | MonMotha: your not interested in reading/writing to MMC or SD cards are you? |
| 02:42.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: make sure you have a nice fine tip, clean, and that the wire has already been tin'd |
| 02:42.48 | MonMotha | file: not really |
| 02:42.55 | file | MonMotha: okay |
| 02:43.03 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, I've got as fine/clean of a tip as I can get, and I've tinned the wire |
| 02:43.09 | MonMotha | 30 guage is about as big as the pins themselves tho |
| 02:43.12 | prpplague | MonMotha: add a little flux on the pin, or if you have some extra fine solder, try melting just a drop |
| 02:43.44 | prpplague | MonMotha: did any look at the schematic and see if there was another pad for that wire somewhere? |
| 02:43.46 | MonMotha | prpplague: done both... |
| 02:43.53 | MonMotha | prpplague: hum, I guess I could do that |
| 02:44.05 | MonMotha | I'm not actually doing it on a webpal (practicing on an old mobo that doesn't work) |
| 02:44.49 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:45.20 | MonMotha | I don't even have my webpals yet |
| 02:45.23 | MonMotha | expected on wed |
| 02:45.24 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:45.38 | prpplague | anyone got the url for the memory mod? |
| 02:46.57 | MonMotha | prpplague: let me look it up again |
| 02:47.23 | file | MonMotha: put it in ibot this time for easy access |
| 02:47.25 | MonMotha | ibot webpal schematics |
| 02:47.30 | | webpal schematics are at http://www.geocities.com/webpalstuff/Webpal_1.0c.pdf |
| 02:47.34 | MonMotha | it's linked from that page a coupel layers deep :) |
| 02:48.01 | MonMotha | http://www.luban.org/Webpal/ |
| 02:48.16 | MonMotha | ibot webpal memory mod is at http://www.luban.org/Webpal/ |
| 02:48.17 | | MonMotha: okay |
| 02:48.45 | MonMotha | prpplague: the pic is bad, but it looks like that pin may be floating right at the chip, no trace even |
| 02:49.12 | MonMotha | prpplague: you actually have one, so you may be able to see it (there's a glare in the pic) |
| 02:53.22 | vosque | ooo |
| 02:53.27 | vosque | didn't know about these webpal things |
| 02:53.35 | MonMotha | ibot webpal |
| 02:53.35 | | from memory, webpal is a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 02:53.46 | MonMotha | ibot welbal is also only $13 + shipping! |
| 02:53.47 | | MonMotha: okay |
| 02:53.55 | MonMotha | ibot forget welbal |
| 02:53.55 | | MonMotha: i forgot welbal |
| 02:54.03 | MonMotha | ibot webpal is also only $13 + shipping! |
| 02:54.04 | | okay, MonMotha |
| 02:54.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: looks like there is a trace under the board to the other side of the board |
| 02:54.08 | MonMotha | ibot webpal |
| 02:54.09 | | somebody said webpal was a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html, or only $13 + shipping! |
| 02:54.19 | MonMotha | prpplague: so maybe an easier place to solder to? |
| 02:54.36 | MonMotha | you might be able to get a wire in the little hole that runs the trace from one side to the other |
| 02:54.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: let me count again |
| 02:55.02 | MonMotha | prpplague: ohmmeters are your friend ;) |
| 02:55.44 | prpplague | MonMotha: so is a desoldering iron :) |
| 02:55.54 | MonMotha | prpplague: heh |
| 02:55.54 | vosque | is there a place that summarizes development on the webpal? |
| 02:56.01 | MonMotha | I don't have one of those...just a desolder braid |
| 02:56.03 | vosque | like, what people've got running? |
| 02:57.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: i gotta run, i'll recheck when i get back |
| 02:57.15 | MonMotha | prpplague: k |
| 02:57.28 | vosque | oo |
| 02:57.31 | vosque | found the bbs. |
| 03:03.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: pin101 is totally non-connected |
| 03:03.13 | prpplague | MonMotha: no trace |
| 03:04.43 | MonMotha | prpplague: that's what I thought |
| 03:04.56 | MonMotha | prpplague: does cirrus logic even have a hw ref guide for this thing? |
| 03:05.34 | prpplague | MonMotha: for the processor? or the board? |
| 03:05.44 | MonMotha | prpplague: the proc of course, they didn't make the board :) |
| 03:06.06 | prpplague | MonMotha: lol, ya they do |
| 03:06.12 | prpplague | MonMotha: ref that is |
| 03:06.29 | MonMotha | prpplague: I sure can't find it |
| 03:06.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: according to TomW the webpal is almost identical to the cl reference board |
| 03:06.35 | MonMotha | dead-tree copy would be nice too |
| 03:06.41 | prpplague | MonMotha: lol, its hidden |
| 03:06.42 | MonMotha | prpplague: heh, go figure |
| 03:06.51 | MonMotha | yeah, a documentation search shows nothign |
| 03:06.57 | prpplague | let me see if i can get the url |
| 03:07.48 | MonMotha | wow, you're right |
| 03:08.14 | sorphin | well, ken was right and he beat maxim (he sent me a 233) |
| 03:09.16 | prpplague | ibot: cl-ps7500fe is http://www.cirrus.com/en/pubs/proDatasheet/ps7500fe.pdf |
| 03:09.17 | | okay, prpplague |
| 03:09.47 | prpplague | tell MonMotha about cl-ps7500fe |
| 03:11.01 | prpplague | sorphin: samples from maxim are good if there are hard to find, else i just order them :) |
| 03:11.35 | sorphin | prpplague: i dunno what their deal is this time, last time i sampled from them was no prob |
| 03:11.55 | prpplague | MonMotha: btw, there are two spacing sizes for qfp's |
| 03:12.08 | MonMotha | sorphin: I have some maxim samples coming, as well as a couple from fairchild |
| 03:12.12 | prpplague | MonMotha: iirc the 7500 is .5mm so be sure and practice on a .5 not a .8 |
| 03:12.21 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah, the cirrus chip here appears to be the smaller of the two |
| 03:12.25 | MonMotha | this one looks darned small |
| 03:12.33 | MonMotha | any smaller and I couldn't possibly do it without some insane magnification |
| 03:12.39 | prpplague | gotta run, bbl |
| 03:12.45 | MonMotha | the SIMM pin was easy tho :) |
| 03:12.48 | MonMotha | later prpplague |
| 03:13.32 | MonMotha | does cirrus give free dead tree copies of manuals like intel? |
| 03:14.04 | sorphin | dunno |
| 03:17.32 | MonMotha | I know I called up intel since their website was borked and they were happy to send me free copies of the StrongARM stuff, even paid shipping |
| 03:18.25 | sorphin | nod |
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| 04:00.04 | kergoth | hey |
| 04:01.35 | sorphin | re chris |
| 04:06.59 | kergoth | hey dan, whats goin on tonight |
| 04:10.55 | sorphin | nada, may solder up the serial board before bed, dunno |
| 04:11.34 | kergoth | ah cool. just analyzing oopses myself |
| 04:13.00 | sorphin | the kernel seems to like those lately ;p |
| 04:13.47 | sorphin | hmm |
| 04:13.58 | sorphin | ibot needs to be able to index/search it's facts |
| 04:13.59 | | sorphin: I give up, what is it? |
| 04:14.06 | sorphin | ibot: rs-232 |
| 04:14.07 | | hmm... rs-232 is (Recommended Standard 232) This is the de facto standard for communication through PC serial ports. It can refer to cables and ports that support the RS-232 standard. "Hey, Jimmy! Why don't you take your RS-232 cable and stick it right up your RS-232 port!" |
| 04:14.11 | sorphin | bah |
| 04:15.49 | sorphin | ibot: webpal |
| 04:15.50 | | somebody said webpal was a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html, or only $13 + shipping! |
| 04:26.53 | prpplague | sorphin: what do you need? |
| 04:27.02 | prpplague | sorphin: the url for the ttl adapter board? |
| 04:30.33 | sorphin | one other than bigbrds |
| 04:33.43 | sorphin | prpplague: like kens or toms, etc |
| 04:33.51 | prpplague | sorphin: ahh |
| 04:35.53 | sorphin | or even yours |
| 04:36.04 | MonMotha | holy shit...TI ships samples next day air!? |
| 04:36.44 | prpplague | wow |
| 04:36.47 | sorphin | scary |
| 04:37.06 | sorphin | no wonder they keep so quiet, they burn all their # on sample shipping ;) |
| 04:37.33 | jacques | whoo 9kB/s from rpmfind |
| 04:38.09 | MonMotha | heh |
| 04:38.39 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:38.40 | sorphin | scary |
| 04:39.02 | MonMotha | sorphin: well, TI does claim to have "the fastest IC samples in the world" |
| 04:39.07 | sorphin | prpplague: any links? :P |
| 04:39.11 | sorphin | MonMotha: heh |
| 04:39.11 | MonMotha | I just put the order in and they're predicting I'll have them tomorrow |
| 04:39.22 | MonMotha | I didn't really want/need them until the weekend |
| 04:39.47 | sorphin | i can see it now |
| 04:39.49 | sorphin | in a week |
| 04:39.58 | sorphin | "So, how many would you like to order?" |
| 04:40.03 | sorphin | 1000? |
| 04:40.04 | MonMotha | TI's better than Maxim on having hobbiest friendly packaging too (lots of DIPs, not tons of tiny BGAs) |
| 04:40.09 | MonMotha | sorphin: I said Less than 1000 :) |
| 04:40.18 | MonMotha | and that I do my purchasing through a distributer |
| 04:40.20 | sorphin | MonMotha: i meant them calling you |
| 04:40.32 | MonMotha | yeah, good luck getting a hold of me during business hours |
| 04:40.37 | MonMotha | I gave them my home phone :) |
| 04:40.49 | MonMotha | which I never answer anyway |
| 04:41.30 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:41.48 | MonMotha | I do actually plan on doing something with these though, just not anything that woudl result in volume much greater than the samples they're shipping me :) |
| 04:42.05 | MonMotha | maybe 20-25 chips :) |
| 04:43.22 | sorphin | ya know |
| 04:43.26 | sorphin | i'll never understand people |
| 04:43.34 | sorphin | an item still has 4 days left |
| 04:43.43 | sorphin | and people race to bid right now to jack up the price |
| 04:43.47 | MonMotha | heh |
| 04:43.59 | sorphin | 23 bids on something that ends in *4* days |
| 04:44.18 | jacques | i think a lot is phantom bidders |
| 04:44.29 | jacques | so much scamming these days |
| 04:44.39 | sorphin | yeah |
| 04:44.50 | sorphin | tis pathetic |
| 04:45.18 | jacques | yeah sad |
| 04:45.20 | sorphin | prpplague: wake up you soon to be Dell POS supporter |
| 04:46.11 | jacques | I'm trying to get gtk 2.2.0 working on rh 7.2 and rh 7.3 |
| 04:46.19 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:46.23 | jacques | tons and tons of dependencies |
| 04:46.49 | jacques | so far no luck - I built everything on my 7.3 box but all gtk2 apps (including the demos) fail with an X error |
| 04:54.28 | prpplague | sorphin: what? |
| 04:54.46 | sorphin | prpplague: any of the other serial board images |
| 04:55.15 | prpplague | sorphin: images? such as schematics? |
| 04:55.51 | sorphin | or assembled board |
| 04:56.47 | prpplague | sorphin: you wanting a pic? |
| 04:56.57 | prpplague | sorphin: of the board? |
| 04:57.19 | sorphin | easier to just reference against a pic tonight :P |
| 04:57.55 | prpplague | sorphin: can |
| 04:58.32 | prpplague | sorphin: can't tell much from the pics available |
| 04:58.32 | prpplague | sorphin: are you building this on perf board? |
| 04:58.43 | sorphin | that RS board |
| 04:59.05 | prpplague | sorphin: did you order one? |
| 04:59.16 | sorphin | order one ? |
| 04:59.48 | prpplague | sorphin: ohhh Radio Shack perf board |
| 04:59.53 | sorphin | umm |
| 04:59.56 | sorphin | why would i order it |
| 05:00.02 | prpplague | sorphin: i was thinking you got a RS-1 board |
| 05:00.17 | sorphin | oh |
| 05:00.19 | sorphin | no |
| 05:00.28 | sorphin | 276-159B :P |
| 05:01.17 | prpplague | sorphin: one sec |
| 05:02.35 | prpplague | sorphin: ohh, your gonna solder directly to the header? |
| 05:02.49 | sorphin | no |
| 05:02.54 | sorphin | wires to it |
| 05:03.03 | sorphin | but the chip fits perfect on this board |
| 05:04.43 | prpplague | ok so your gonna wire from the board to the webpal serial header? |
| 05:05.05 | sorphin | yeah |
| 05:05.08 | MonMotha | I built my tuxscreen one on a larger board (the big experimenter board with 5 pins for each DIP pin, like 50 holes long) |
| 05:05.15 | MonMotha | I had to cut the board to fit it in though |
| 05:05.26 | MonMotha | on the upside I still have plenty of room to build a shanip |
| 05:05.38 | sorphin | if you have the link to ken's pics :P |
| 05:05.47 | sorphin | i can work from that as far as the board itself |
| 05:05.51 | sorphin | since we're both using 233s |
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| 05:06.49 | prpplague | sorphin: are you using the 233? |
| 05:06.49 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.01 | sorphin | prpplague: yes |
| 05:07.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what? |
| 05:07.20 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: should be pretty easy then |
| 05:07.29 | prpplague | oops |
| 05:07.36 | prpplague | sorphin: should be pretty easy then |
| 05:08.06 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, :P i know, but i'd like to reference his pic, since my brain can't handle a datasheet atm :P |
| 05:09.50 | prpplague | sorphin: his pics wasn't enough to do the entire unit |
| 05:10.28 | sorphin | prpplague: it was enough to see the cross wiring on the board :P |
| 05:10.47 | sorphin | tho i think i saved local the pin #'s.. assuming giga didn't eat them |
| 05:13.21 | prpplague | sorphin: i'd take schematic over a pic any day |
| 05:15.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:17.41 | prpplague | sorphin: when with something close to the unit on bigbrd page |
| 05:20.00 | prpplague | sorphin: man, i'm beat |
| 05:20.09 | prpplague | sorphin: i went with something close to the unit on bigbrd page |
| 05:27.42 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:35.44 | GPSFan | hey sorphin: still awake? |
| 05:42.58 | sorphin | GPSFan: yeah |
| 05:43.24 | GPSFan | sorphin: take a look at: http://www.paonia.com/~kenm/WebPal/serial1.JPG whe w() refer to the webpal j11 pin # and the DE-() are the serial connector pins. |
| 05:43.49 | GPSFan | sorphin: of course the DE9-5 goes to ground. |
| 05:44.19 | GPSFan | sorphin: that's the diagram I used to wire my adapter up. |
| 05:45.04 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:45.36 | sorphin | ok, i get DE9-2 and -7 |
| 05:45.48 | sorphin | but 8 & 3 are another xmit and receive |
| 05:47.45 | GPSFan | 2 is rxd, 7 is rts, 8 is cts, 3 is txd, 5 is gnd. |
| 05:50.32 | sorphin | you sure this is the one you ment to show me? it has 2,7,8,3 for DE9's |
| 05:53.04 | GPSFan | I think so, what seems to be wrong? it's late maybe I screwed up. |
| 05:53.14 | sorphin | pull up that image |
| 05:53.23 | jacques | ah interesting. I built the glib/atk/pango/gtk 2.2.0 stuff from source and it works on 7.2 - unlike the source rpms... |
| 05:53.32 | GPSFan | gotit |
| 05:56.00 | sorphin | see what i was talking about ? |
| 05:56.30 | GPSFan | not really, must be dense :p |
| 05:57.14 | sorphin | you only have labeled DE9-2, DE9-7, DE9-8, DE9-3 |
| 05:58.02 | GPSFan | ok, and de9-5 is gnd, that's all that's connected to the 233. |
| 05:58.47 | GPSFan | bigbrd had pins 1,6,& 4 tied together too. |
| 05:59.21 | sorphin | ok, so where DE9-2,7,8,3 & 5 are on the serial port header (the 9 pin) |
| 06:00.01 | GPSFan | ah, the DE-() refer to the serial connector not the header. |
| 06:00.40 | GPSFan | I wired the chip up directly to the connector. |
| 06:00.57 | sorphin | when i said header i meant 9 pin connector |
| 06:02.07 | GPSFan | sorphin: do you have this schematic: http://webpal.bigbrd.com/webpal_serial.pdf |
| 06:02.41 | sorphin | do now |
| 06:04.02 | GPSFan | k, that's for a MAX232, I substituted a 233 and eliminated the connector between the 232 and the DE9 |
| 06:04.56 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:05.13 | GPSFan | do you need the pin numbering sequence for the DE9? |
| 06:06.43 | GPSFan | 1-dcd, 2-rxd, 3-txd, 4-dtr, 5-gnd, 6-dsr, 7-rts, 8-cts, 9-ri |
| 06:08.37 | GPSFan | in bigbrds diagram, you are looking at the front of the DE9 connector |
| 06:08.55 | sorphin | right |
| 06:09.00 | sorphin | my brain's just tired atm.. |
| 06:09.42 | GPSFan | me too, just got back from the movies, and saw you & prpplague talking about how to wire up the serial port. |
| 06:10.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: which movie? |
| 06:10.28 | GPSFan | die another day |
| 06:11.23 | sorphin | GPSFan: basically the 233 will be the same except no caps other than the one, and all the xover wires |
| 06:11.54 | CosmicPenguin | later folks |
| 06:12.00 | GPSFan | sorphin: correct except for the pin numbering on the 233 |
| 06:12.13 | GPSFan | and the 232 are different. |
| 06:12.28 | sorphin | right, i know, but the names are the same |
| 06:12.39 | sorphin | T1 in, T2 in |
| 06:12.55 | GPSFan | correct, I tried to keep the maxim pin names the same for sanity sake. ;>) |
| 06:13.20 | prpplague | later folks |
| 06:13.26 | GPSFan | nite prpplague |
| 06:13.46 | sorphin | hehe |
| 06:21.24 | GPSFan | sorphin: things ok now? |
| 06:23.01 | sorphin | yeah, i'll get it |
| 06:23.17 | sorphin | so there's only 3 xover wires |
| 06:24.28 | GPSFan | and the 2 gnd pins connected together, I guess there are 4 bolue crossover wires in my photo. |
| 06:25.18 | sorphin | yah |
| 06:25.53 | GPSFan | i'm off to zz land, g'nite... |
| 06:26.10 | sorphin | night |
| 06:26.12 | sorphin | thnx btw |
| 06:26.40 | GPSFan | np, good luck... |
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| 15:41.40 | sorphin | GPSFan_: mornin ken |
| 15:41.42 | sorphin | sive: lo |
| 15:41.47 | sorphin | sieve: lo even |
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| 15:43.12 | sorphin | prpplague: and there's the other happy go lucky abcsinc employee |
| 15:43.34 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:43.45 | penguin_nothere | burrr |
| 15:44.00 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: bit cold there now? :P |
| 15:44.18 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: nah, actually unseasonably warm, but its cold in my office for some reason |
| 15:44.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: too much AC |
| 15:44.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they stopped heating to save money |
| 15:45.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: besides, if they keep it cold, the programmers brains won't rot |
| 15:45.42 | sorphin | prpplague: too late for that |
| 15:45.52 | prpplague | sieve: whats happening at the office? |
| 15:46.07 | GPSFan_ | hi sorphin: how did you make out with the serial adapter? |
| 15:46.23 | prpplague | sorphin: ya how did you? |
| 15:46.39 | sorphin | GPSFan_: figured out how it should be, and went to bed :P |
| 15:46.53 | sorphin | i'll break out the iron tonight |
| 15:46.57 | GPSFan_ | good move! sleep is always good... |
| 15:47.06 | GPSFan_ | bbl |
| 15:47.13 | sorphin | GPSFan_: .1 uF fine ? |
| 15:48.56 | prpplague | i always plan one night, do the next, and double check/test the following |
| 15:48.57 | sorphin | wow, someone selling stuff on ebay that's even back to prpplague's time |
| 15:49.05 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:49.12 | prpplague | ts-1000 ? |
| 15:49.19 | sorphin | prpplague: laserdisc bay-bee |
| 15:49.21 | prpplague | love those babies |
| 15:49.36 | prpplague | the ts-1000, not the laserdisc |
| 15:49.43 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:49.47 | sorphin | suuuuuuuuuuuure |
| 15:49.48 | prpplague | sorphin: and yes i have one |
| 15:49.54 | prpplague | sorphin: lastedisc |
| 15:50.10 | sieve | morning all |
| 15:50.57 | prpplague | sorphin: thanks |
| 15:51.21 | prpplague | sorphin: just got back from the doctor, had some mole's cut off, still a little grogy |
| 15:51.25 | sorphin | prpplague: here ya go, the laserdisc you love, and a youngin to boot ;) |
| 15:51.29 | sorphin | prpplague: Katie Holmes in Disturbing Behavior laserdisc |
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| 16:28.40 | prpplague | ade|bed: hey, i placed an order for 40 webpals yesterday |
| 16:28.51 | prpplague | ade|bed: i should know when they are coming in today |
| 16:29.04 | sorphin | prpplague: you're just sick ;) |
| 16:29.27 | prpplague | sorphin: it was cheaper |
| 16:29.37 | prpplague | sorphin: i ordered from liquadations.com |
| 16:29.44 | sorphin | oh, the $200 minimum place |
| 16:30.28 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: 40?! |
| 16:30.38 | TheMasterMind1 | what will you do with so many |
| 16:30.47 | sorphin | TheMasterMind1: he's mentally ill, don't mind him ;) |
| 16:31.18 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:31.29 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: send them to ppl overseas that can;t get them |
| 16:31.39 | TheMasterMind1 | ah cool |
| 16:31.46 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: you get those cf->ide things? |
| 16:31.48 | sorphin | and that |
| 16:31.58 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: ya they came in yesterday |
| 16:32.06 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: but i've not been into the office |
| 16:32.19 | TheMasterMind1 | ah ok |
| 16:32.22 | TheMasterMind1 | send me some :) |
| 16:32.23 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: try to get them up for sale by friday |
| 16:32.27 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 16:32.31 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good |
| 16:33.39 | sorphin | ibot: guinness prpplague |
| 16:33.39 | | i haven't a clue, sorphin |
| 16:33.43 | sorphin | bah |
| 16:33.54 | sorphin | prpplague: you coulda atleast set it to allow giving to others :P |
| 16:33.57 | prpplague | ibot: guinness |
| 16:33.58 | | ACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to prpplague |
| 16:34.37 | sorphin | aww.. ibot doesn't like quick repears |
| 16:34.39 | sorphin | repeats |
| 16:34.43 | sorphin | [ibot(ibot@rikers.org)] Someone already said that 1 seconds ago |
| 16:36.54 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm not sure how to do the args for ibot |
| 16:37.26 | prpplague | TimRiker: hey dude |
| 16:37.30 | sorphin | well, there's the man to ask |
| 16:37.34 | sorphin | TimRiker: morning |
| 16:37.44 | prpplague | sorphin: no, its called RTFM |
| 16:37.48 | prpplague | sorphin: lol |
| 16:37.49 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:37.58 | sorphin | he'd prolly know right off hand tho :P |
| 16:38.04 | kergoth | mornin |
| 16:38.06 | sorphin | quicker than rtfm'ing |
| 16:38.09 | sorphin | kergoth`bbl: morning chris |
| 16:38.16 | sorphin | bah |
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| 16:38.28 | prpplague | i think i'm gonna have this ucb1200 chip made into a ring, lol |
| 16:38.31 | sorphin | 2 kergoths, greeeeat |
| 16:39.42 | prpplague | double please, double your fun, double kergoth and you might get your OZ done! |
| 16:39.52 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:40.12 | sorphin | he calls him.. minime ? |
| 16:40.25 | prpplague | sorphin: mini-digi |
| 16:40.32 | sorphin | even worse |
| 16:42.19 | prpplague | well, off to check on my webpals, bbl |
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| 16:48.47 | sorphin | Morn: morning |
| 16:53.03 | Morn | hey |
| 16:54.14 | sorphin | sup |
| 16:54.47 | Morn | just doing some work for my handful of paying web clients |
| 16:54.52 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:55.08 | sorphin | get to call them yesterday about your non showing blanks ? |
| 16:55.18 | Morn | yeah |
| 16:55.29 | Morn | they said they were backordered for a bit but I should receive them today |
| 16:55.35 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:55.39 | sorphin | well, see i guess |
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| 17:07.01 | sorphin | sjhill: morning mipswhore |
| 17:07.42 | sjhill | sorphin: yo' |
| 17:07.52 | sjhill | i may be droppig in and out as i'm playing with ipsec |
| 17:09.49 | sorphin | nod |
| 17:16.51 | ade|bed | prpplague: great news (webpals) , many thanks |
| 17:17.02 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: you around? |
| 17:17.59 | sorphin | ade|desk: nice to see you finally got outta bed *grin* |
| 17:19.10 | ade|desk | never changed the nick from last night , was in labs all day .. soon will be ade|bed again ;) |
| 17:20.32 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:21.21 | ade|desk | bbl |
| 17:32.23 | TimRiker | prpplague: what "args" are you looking for? like this? |
| 17:32.40 | TimRiker | ~fishslap prpplague for not knowing how to do this. |
| 17:32.43 | | ACTION slaps prpplague up side the head with a wet fish for not knowing how to do this. |
| 17:37.44 | Morn | sjhill: cool on ipsec |
| 17:37.47 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeperdy deperdy |
| 17:37.49 | Morn | I failed to get freeswan to work |
| 17:38.37 | sjhill | Morn: yeah, this should take most of day |
| 17:38.39 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 17:39.02 | sorphin | ~fishslap timriker for being an imposter bzflag |
| 17:39.05 | | ACTION slaps timriker up side the head with a wet fish for being an imposter bzflag |
| 17:39.40 | sorphin | tom: so how *do* you do it? :P |
| 17:39.43 | sorphin | grr |
| 17:39.47 | sorphin | toi: so how *do* you do it? :P |
| 17:39.50 | sorphin | bah |
| 17:39.56 | sorphin | TimRiker: ... |
| 17:39.58 | TimRiker | what exactly do you want to do? |
| 17:40.00 | Morn | sjhill: if you figure it out you can help me :-) |
| 17:40.07 | sjhill | Morn: sure |
| 17:40.08 | TimRiker | a factoid with args? |
| 17:40.32 | sorphin | TimRiker: aye, i.e. to control who ibot gives the guiness to |
| 17:40.53 | TimRiker | ~literal guiness |
| 17:41.03 | TimRiker | ibot: literal guiness |
| 17:41.05 | | wish i knew, TimRiker |
| 17:41.10 | sorphin | ok i can't spell :P |
| 17:41.12 | TimRiker | stupid bot. |
| 17:41.15 | sorphin | ~literal guinness |
| 17:41.16 | | guinness is <action> pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to $nick |
| 17:41.18 | TimRiker | heh |
| 17:41.46 | TimRiker | ~guinness $who is <action> pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to $who |
| 17:41.47 | | okay, TimRiker |
| 17:41.58 | TimRiker | ~guinness sorphin |
| 17:42.02 | | ACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to sorphin |
| 17:42.08 | sorphin | :) |
| 17:42.34 | sorphin | TimRiker: so how's things on your end ? |
| 17:42.43 | kergoth | ~make $target is <reply> make: *** No rule to make target `$target'. Stop. |
| 17:42.44 | | okay, kergoth |
| 17:42.49 | kergoth | ~make world |
| 17:42.52 | | make: *** No rule to make target `world'. Stop. |
| 17:42.52 | TimRiker | unemployed, lokin' 'round. |
| 17:43.02 | sorphin | ~make digi |
| 17:43.06 | | make: *** No rule to make target `digi'. Stop. |
| 17:43.21 | TimRiker | fun fun. ;-) |
| 17:43.24 | sorphin | TimRiker: your matrix show yet? |
| 17:43.30 | TimRiker | make sorphin go away |
| 17:43.34 | TimRiker | ~make sorphin go away |
| 17:43.37 | | make: *** No rule to make target `sorphin go away'. Stop. |
| 17:43.42 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 17:43.50 | TimRiker | sorphin: not yet, nope. |
| 17:43.57 | TimRiker | sorphin: jk. ;-) |
| 17:44.23 | sorphin | TimRiker: took me about a week to get mine, from whe nthey shipped it (it ships from canada) |
| 17:44.58 | TimRiker | can you check the order status online? /me looks for the saved invoice... |
| 17:45.11 | sorphin | umm |
| 17:45.13 | sorphin | i think so |
| 17:46.32 | TimRiker | yep. shipped on the 10th. |
| 17:46.48 | sorphin | coo |
| 17:46.52 | sorphin | you should prolly have by weeks end |
| 17:47.21 | sorphin | then we shall have BZ(XBox)Flag |
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| 17:47.48 | sorphin | andersee: should you be awake this late? ;) |
| 17:47.57 | andersee | sorphin: just getting started for the day |
| 17:47.58 | andersee | :) |
| 17:48.00 | TimRiker | entered the US on the 13th according to canadapost.ca |
| 17:48.18 | sorphin | TimRiker: yeah, and after that it's priority mail |
| 17:48.23 | sorphin | so 2-3 days |
| 17:48.36 | sorphin | andersee: um.. what'd you do w/ the REAL andersee? :P |
| 17:48.53 | TimRiker | yepper. well glx is not working on the xbox yet, so bz would be software only. |
| 17:49.06 | TimRiker | should be faster than TuxRacer's 2-3 fps though. |
| 17:49.17 | sorphin | TimRiker: better than nothing, no ? |
| 17:53.10 | andersee | sorphin: the real andersee's wife wanted him to spend a bit more time awake during daylight hours |
| 17:53.19 | sorphin | andersee: bah |
| 17:53.34 | andersee | sorphin: the real andersee decided that agreeing with his wife was the path of wisdom |
| 17:53.38 | sorphin | you mean she's actually home? :P |
| 17:53.42 | TimRiker | we must all be time shifted |
| 17:53.47 | sorphin | TimRiker: indeed |
| 17:54.20 | sorphin | TimRiker: i think we see who wears the pants in the andersen household ;) |
| 17:55.04 | andersee | TimRiker: anyone tried the Utah GLX nvidia driver on the xbox? |
| 17:55.35 | TimRiker | andersee: don't know. once I get Linux up, I'll try it out. ;-) |
| 17:55.49 | sorphin | TimRiker: you outrank us all, so you're safe (for now :P ) |
| 17:56.04 | TimRiker | I'm also looking at adding multiple "local" users for multiplayer support on the console. |
| 17:56.26 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:56.45 | TimRiker | 2x or 4x split screen. |
| 17:57.21 | sorphin | TimRiker: made my own converter |
| 17:57.32 | sorphin | TimRiker: cheaper than liksang and not that hard |
| 17:57.33 | TimRiker | yeah, I'll make up at least one. |
| 17:57.43 | sorphin | just get the xbox part of the breakaway |
| 17:58.04 | TimRiker | huh? where? |
| 17:58.24 | TimRiker | I was planning to get an abox extension and a usb extension and hack them together. |
| 17:58.24 | sorphin | $5 |
| 17:58.45 | sorphin | for the xbox part of hte breakaawy |
| 17:58.47 | sorphin | *or* |
| 17:59.00 | sorphin | liksang sells a usb->xbox cable |
| 17:59.02 | sorphin | $12 |
| 17:59.31 | sorphin | TimRiker: http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=53&AID=3885654&PID=1019213&products_id=2154 |
| 18:00.36 | sorphin | since i already had spare usb sockets (from a usb motherboard thing that goes into the pci slot spaces), i just bought the breakaway and made one that way |
| 18:01.04 | sorphin | the xbox has been subverted by other projects |
| 18:01.06 | TimRiker | http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=232799 ? |
| 18:01.39 | sorphin | TimRiker: yes |
| 18:01.57 | fontenot | is someone here beeping ? |
| 18:01.58 | sorphin | well |
| 18:02.14 | sorphin | TimRiker: sorta that.. mine was $5 and wasn't prorder |
| 18:02.16 | sorphin | preorder even |
| 18:03.05 | sorphin | TimRiker: here |
| 18:03.10 | sorphin | and support the geeks ;) |
| 18:03.13 | sorphin | doh |
| 18:03.15 | sorphin | nevermind |
| 18:03.17 | sorphin | out of stock |
| 18:03.22 | TimRiker | cool. I think I'll get an extension and do the mod I was planning. then I'll have a way to plug the controller into a PC as well. |
| 18:03.28 | sorphin | was gonna say thinkgeek had it too, but they don't now.. |
| 18:03.36 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:04.06 | fontenot | i also need a modchip |
| 18:04.14 | TimRiker | I want the "rumble" feedback when playing bzflag on a pc. ;-) |
| 18:04.19 | fontenot | matrix is still only 256kB right ? |
| 18:04.30 | sorphin | fontenot: they're working on a 1M addon |
| 18:04.36 | sorphin | tho, all you have to do is change the chip :P |
| 18:04.44 | sorphin | it's just a simple SST flash chip |
| 18:04.46 | TimRiker | yeah, but with the jumpers you can boot the internal or the mod bios. |
| 18:05.00 | sorphin | if you need bigger tha n256k |
| 18:05.11 | sorphin | get a damn 1M sample from SST/Atmel |
| 18:05.15 | sorphin | desolder |
| 18:05.17 | sorphin | solder |
| 18:05.17 | sorphin | done |
| 18:05.33 | TimRiker | yeah, but you should also add a new dip to select the page. |
| 18:05.43 | TimRiker | well, 2 dips. ;-) |
| 18:05.45 | sorphin | i think all their addon will do is bypass the 256k |
| 18:06.01 | sorphin | TimRiker: unless it's a 1M bios |
| 18:06.08 | sorphin | TimRiker: which is where xecuter is heading |
| 18:06.12 | mallum | hmm, how long does it take to fly from la/sf to hawaii ? |
| 18:06.15 | sorphin | in their snottyness |
| 18:06.20 | TimRiker | is the on board a 1M ? |
| 18:06.36 | sorphin | TimRiker: a 1 meg chip, yes, a 1 meg bios, no |
| 18:06.43 | sorphin | they just dump the 256 4 times |
| 18:06.47 | TimRiker | ah, a 4x 256M then? |
| 18:06.48 | sorphin | s/dump/dupe/ |
| 18:07.17 | sorphin | the bioses xecuter is starting to work on now, if you actually need all their crap |
| 18:07.33 | sorphin | will be approaching 1M |
| 18:07.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:07.44 | fontenot | bah why dont they just start making 1MB native - why have to buy 256 which wont be used with the addon? |
| 18:08.05 | sorphin | since one of the people i removed from hte channel |
| 18:08.11 | sorphin | is a "site op" |
| 18:08.35 | sorphin | fontenot: i think the addon is for people that already have 256 |
| 18:08.38 | sorphin | and don't wanna solder :P |
| 18:08.52 | sorphin | prolly will start doing 1M |
| 18:09.05 | sorphin | TimRiker: only reason i've ever went near oftc is Ahzz |
| 18:09.07 | fontenot | sorphin: ah ok, from their site it was not clear that they are going to be making native 1MB |
| 18:09.34 | TimRiker | #blob and #kernelnewbies moved over there. I hang in those often. |
| 18:11.03 | sorphin | one of our other better guys has went in there a few times.. they were.. well, not quite helpful (and he's no idiot, nor did he ask idiot questions) |
| 18:11.41 | TimRiker | heh, yeah. it's not always friendly. ;-) |
| 18:11.54 | TimRiker | kind of a mirror of lkml ;-) |
| 18:12.57 | sorphin | alan, gave me some advise on a dvd player issue |
| 18:13.42 | sorphin | it's a bit sad tho when linus has to stop working on a kernel tree for it to be STABLE :P |
| 18:14.12 | TimRiker | heh. well. back in a bit... |
| 18:14.13 | sorphin | i NEVER used to be able to compile/run a vanilla kernel source (i.e. 2.4) when linus was heading it |
| 18:14.25 | sorphin | marcelo took over, i can :P |
| 18:14.36 | sorphin | TimRiker: have fun dad *grin* |
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| 19:07.55 | sorphin | heh |
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| 19:54.02 | file | kergoth? |
| 19:55.25 | kergoth | no, i didnt have a chance to look at the email :) |
| 19:55.56 | file | gah :p |
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| 20:06.26 | sorphin | doh |
| 20:06.32 | sorphin | TimRiker: any idea why ? |
| 20:06.54 | TimRiker | not yet. |
| 20:07.30 | sorphin | good luck |
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| 21:41.00 | CosmicPenguin | has mallum sowed up yet? |
| 21:41.04 | MonMotha | everyone cross their fingers for me and hope I don't panic my kernel doign somethign stupid here |
| 21:41.08 | CosmicPenguin | s/sowed/showed/ |
| 21:41.11 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: no, he doesn't do that until spring |
| 21:41.13 | file | MonMotha: good luck |
| 21:41.16 | MonMotha | oh, showed...not that I know of :) |
| 21:41.28 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: what, are you channeling sorphin all of a suddeN? |
| 21:42.35 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: MOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 21:45.23 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: can you give me two hands in getting some menu scripts and whatnot written to marry Matchbox and Pixil? |
| 21:45.55 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: sure |
| 21:46.56 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: what do I need to get a menu / toolbar to come up with categories and links to all of the apps (about 5 or 6) |
| 21:47.33 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: okie you using mb 0.3.6 ? |
| 21:48.47 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: yep |
| 21:49.18 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I've got three categories - PIM, Internet, and Utilities |
| 21:49.35 | MonMotha | god damn sourceforge |
| 21:49.54 | MonMotha | something is ALWAYS down |
| 21:50.05 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: progress in the pixil vs uClibc battle? |
| 21:50.14 | MonMotha | CVS appears to be down right now |
| 21:50.42 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: ok , do you have a debian system close by ? |
| 21:50.50 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: haven't tried, to tell you the truth. |
| 21:50.55 | andersee | k |
| 21:51.00 | andersee | just wondering |
| 21:51.01 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: sorry no |
| 21:51.13 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: or an ipaq running familiar ? |
| 21:51.26 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: remember I told you what was and was not allowed to for this pixil release? That falls very definately under the "not allowed" |
| 21:51.50 | andersee | silly greg |
| 21:51.54 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: nothing running any packaging system that you are aiming for... :) |
| 21:52.11 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: ok np, see http://handhelds.org/~nelson/menu/ch3.html |
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| 21:52.15 | CosmicPenguin | But if you are talking about the sample menu in the ipkg distro, I know where that is... :) |
| 21:52.25 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: that will tell you how to create menu entrys |
| 21:53.04 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: the soon to be released 0.4 uses gnome/kde style .desktop files which are much nicer |
| 21:53.29 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: ok... so everything needs "X11" and all i need to do is have that menu, and mbmenu running? |
| 21:54.02 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah just make some entrys in /usr/lib/menu and mbmenu will read em |
| 21:54.19 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: you can also put them in ~/.menu/ IIRC |
| 21:56.29 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: great |
| 21:56.37 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: so you have pixil and mb running togeather ? |
| 21:57.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i resemble that remark btw |
| 21:57.16 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Ebony and Ivory, side by side on the piano , oh lord why cant we ? |
| 21:57.25 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: of course, thats not to say that I haven't had cross compiling and other issues in mind, and I am sure a like minded fellow developer can post the appropriate fixes quickly.. ;) |
| 21:57.31 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: damn forgot the harmony part |
| 21:58.08 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: yep, they seem to be pretty happy together. I might even get a theme together so the window decorations look the same |
| 21:58.27 | MonMotha | I *HATE* USB now |
| 21:58.29 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool, is this under X ? |
| 21:58.32 | MonMotha | though that's these stupid drivers' fault |
| 21:58.43 | sorphin | MonMotha: usb storage by chance ? |
| 21:58.47 | sorphin | or usb2.0 even |
| 21:58.47 | MonMotha | what kind of idiot makes a USB device driver that can't handle hot disconnect |
| 21:58.53 | MonMotha | sorphin: nope, USB 1.1 802.11b adapter |
| 21:58.59 | sorphin | MonMotha: use usbmgr |
| 21:59.07 | sorphin | it works w/ hotplugging |
| 21:59.09 | MonMotha | the Atmel thing...one of the few intersil radio ones not supported by the stock wvlan stuff |
| 21:59.16 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: yep, all X based |
| 21:59.17 | MonMotha | sorphin: no, it's the driver |
| 21:59.26 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: but don't tell anyone I said that.... :) |
| 21:59.28 | sorphin | MonMotha: irrelevant |
| 21:59.31 | MonMotha | the driver refuses to acknowledge that the device is no longer present (logs don't even show a USB disconnect) |
| 21:59.40 | sorphin | MonMotha: usbmgr will unload the driver |
| 21:59.43 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 21:59.53 | MonMotha | sorphin: now you see why I hate USB |
| 22:00.03 | sorphin | MonMotha: it's specifically to allow you to disconnect when a driver sucks |
| 22:00.07 | MonMotha | sorphin: what other stuff does that come with? |
| 22:00.11 | MonMotha | or is it a distro specific tool? |
| 22:00.18 | sorphin | MonMotha: um.. i hated usb last week when it hosed my drive |
| 22:00.28 | sorphin | MonMotha: it's just usbmgr, it's it's own thing |
| 22:00.33 | MonMotha | sorphin: oh, it's already done that |
| 22:00.36 | sorphin | there's debian, RH ,etc packages |
| 22:00.39 | MonMotha | whoopie, another thing gentoo doesn't have in portage |
| 22:00.43 | MonMotha | (btw, NEVER use gentoo) |
| 22:00.58 | sorphin | MonMotha: btw.. my usb is MUCH more stable now that i went back to 2.4.18 |
| 22:01.06 | MonMotha | the people who make it are idiots on a power trip, and they break it every other day |
| 22:01.09 | MonMotha | I'm on 2.4.19-rc1 |
| 22:01.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yes, you read that right, i went back to 2.4.18 |
| 22:01.17 | sorphin | MonMotha: careful |
| 22:01.27 | MonMotha | I've been usiong this kernel for ages |
| 22:01.36 | sorphin | MonMotha: there's a usb thing that is mucked up as of one of the .19-pre's |
| 22:01.46 | sorphin | that's what killed me |
| 22:01.59 | sorphin | either .18 or .21 |
| 22:02.08 | sorphin | for strong usb usage, avoid .19 and .20 |
| 22:02.17 | MonMotha | I don't use USB storage usually |
| 22:02.25 | MonMotha | about all I really use is my scanner and HID |
| 22:02.42 | MonMotha | usbmgr appears to be for autoloading drivers and unloading drivers |
| 22:02.43 | sorphin | Nail+coffin+transmeta+Transmeta to Incorporate DRM in TM5800 Processor = death |
| 22:02.52 | MonMotha | I can't unload this driver because it thinks the device is still connceted! |
| 22:03.57 | MonMotha | hence it has a usage count of 1 |
| 22:04.23 | MonMotha | rmmod needs a -f option |
| 22:05.34 | MonMotha | well, I guess I'll have to reboot |
| 22:05.59 | sorphin | MonMotha: or do some tweaking to toggle usage |
| 22:06.28 | sorphin | MonMotha: what's really annoying is one of tivo's modules, never gets used by anything (another module) but they intentionally toggle usage up 1 |
| 22:07.32 | MonMotha | sorphin: tweaking? I can't reload the module... |
| 22:07.58 | sorphin | MonMotha: in the module's code :P |
| 22:08.16 | MonMotha | sorphin: exactly...what good does tweaking the code do if I can't reload it with the new code? |
| 22:09.10 | sorphin | eh? |
| 22:09.24 | MonMotha | sorphin: the module is "stuck" at usage count 1, so I can't unload it |
| 22:09.27 | MonMotha | that's the whole problem |
| 22:09.37 | sorphin | tweak code, compile, reboot, load module, unload module |
| 22:09.46 | MonMotha | yes, either way I have to reboot |
| 22:10.05 | sorphin | yes, but if yo utweak, only once :P |
| 22:10.14 | MonMotha | apparently the driver doesn't work with usb-uhci (only uhci) |
| 22:10.26 | MonMotha | of course, some of my other drivers only work with usb-uhci (not uhci) |
| 22:10.34 | MonMotha | WHY THE HELL DID THEY WRITE TWO UCHI DRIVERS?! |
| 22:11.21 | MonMotha | (and since they did, why can't people make it work with the driver everyone uses, which is usb-uhci?) |
| 22:11.31 | sorphin | MonMotha: same reason there's a pcilynx firewire driver and an OHCI one :P |
| 22:11.50 | MonMotha | USB != IEEE1394 |
| 22:11.56 | sorphin | and yet |
| 22:12.02 | sorphin | i have to use the OHCI driver |
| 22:12.03 | MonMotha | different things...this is two drivers for the same harwdare |
| 22:12.19 | sorphin | MonMotha: i know |
| 22:12.23 | sorphin | so is what i'm talking about :P |
| 22:12.32 | MonMotha | (they did that with PCMCIA wifi card drivers too...I think there's three drivers for my card) |
| 22:14.10 | sorphin | MonMotha: you just can't win ;) |
| 22:22.40 | sorphin | -:- sjhill is now known as TheMipsBitch |
| 22:22.56 | sjhill | lol |
| 22:23.07 | sorphin | :) |
| 22:32.53 | Morn | re's |
| 22:33.03 | sorphin | re |
| 22:33.08 | Morn | sorphin: do you make any dvd's from mpg's you already have? |
| 22:34.03 | sorphin | not yet |
| 22:34.22 | Morn | I keep having audio sync issues with existing mpg's |
| 22:34.28 | Morn | thought maybe you had a solution |
| 22:34.30 | sorphin | hmm |
| 22:35.17 | Morn | I've tried 4 different methods of dvd creation and all of the get out of sync at different places |
| 22:35.31 | sorphin | well, anything i do i won't be reencoding |
| 22:35.56 | Morn | my new recordings are at the proper bitrate |
| 22:36.02 | Morn | I got a Hauppauge PVR card |
| 22:36.15 | Morn | I'm recording at 6kb/s 720x480 |
| 22:36.21 | sorphin | eww |
| 22:36.32 | Morn | ewww? |
| 22:36.33 | sorphin | unless it's a 350 |
| 22:36.39 | sorphin | i won't even touch it |
| 22:36.39 | Morn | it's the 250 |
| 22:36.45 | Morn | the 350 wasn't available yet |
| 22:36.58 | sorphin | i dunno about any mpegs from that working |
| 22:37.01 | Morn | plus the only advantage I saw in the 350 was it also did decoding |
| 22:37.01 | sorphin | honestly |
| 22:37.11 | sorphin | Morn: native linux drivers prolly :P |
| 22:37.14 | Morn | but then only fullscreen output |
| 22:37.24 | sorphin | that's a big advantage for someone like me |
| 22:37.27 | Morn | there are some native drivers being worked on |
| 22:37.34 | Morn | for both the 350 and the 250 |
| 22:37.44 | sorphin | nod |
| 22:37.47 | Morn | but I think they are nearly identical for encoding |
| 22:37.53 | sorphin | i dunno |
| 22:38.08 | sorphin | anyhoo |
| 22:38.31 | Morn | This one guy I met wrote a command line program for encoding from the 250 |
| 22:38.35 | Morn | very cool |
| 22:38.41 | sorphin | if i were you, i'd dig up an mpeg sample, at the right rates |
| 22:38.44 | Morn | (on windows) |
| 22:38.46 | sorphin | burn it to rw |
| 22:38.49 | sorphin | and try |
| 22:39.10 | sorphin | i heard the 250 uses some funky FS setup while recording |
| 22:39.35 | Morn | this command line recorder basically just dumps the mpeg 2 stream to disk |
| 22:39.53 | sorphin | nod |
| 22:40.25 | Morn | the default profiles are VBR, and I created a CBR one |
| 22:40.32 | Morn | seems easier to edit CBR than VBR |
| 22:41.11 | Morn | what was the name of the program for creating a DVD iso with linux? |
| 22:41.50 | sorphin | you make the iso w/ mkisofs of the right versioning |
| 22:41.54 | sorphin | that supports -dvd-video |
| 22:42.10 | sorphin | burn w/ cdrecord-ProDVD |
| 22:42.11 | Morn | but for creating the vobs? |
| 22:42.18 | sorphin | umm |
| 22:42.30 | sorphin | a vob is just an mpeg stream w/ dvd bits in it |
| 22:42.31 | Morn | I thought there was some basic program for that |
| 22:42.38 | sorphin | mplex will do that :P |
| 22:42.56 | sorphin | julie, a .vob is just a .mpg w/ dvd markers |
| 22:42.57 | Morn | I'm not real good at guessing how to create a vob and .ifo file |
| 22:43.02 | sorphin | as for the ifo |
| 22:43.03 | Morn | I know what it is |
| 22:43.10 | sorphin | there's a program called ifogen :P |
| 22:43.14 | Morn | but you don't just rename a .mpg to .vob |
| 22:43.32 | Morn | I thought you guys were talking about a linux program to create a simple play this when turned on dvd |
| 22:43.38 | Morn | simple menu structure |
| 22:43.46 | sorphin | currently |
| 22:43.48 | sorphin | no menu |
| 22:43.57 | sorphin | the menu stuff is what cp wants to write |
| 22:44.08 | Morn | ok, I misunderstood |
| 22:44.10 | sorphin | currently you just do your mpeg stuff |
| 22:44.16 | sorphin | ifogen to make your .ifo |
| 22:44.22 | sorphin | tweak |
| 22:44.22 | Morn | so in the end creating a dvd in linux is not a simple thing |
| 22:44.28 | sorphin | mkisofs |
| 22:44.30 | sorphin | burn |
| 22:44.30 | sorphin | done |
| 22:44.33 | sorphin | umm |
| 22:44.40 | sorphin | it is unless you want complex crap ;p |
| 22:44.41 | Morn | that's not what I call easy |
| 22:44.59 | Morn | point at the mpg's to use and hit create |
| 22:45.02 | sorphin | only if you like point |
| 22:45.04 | sorphin | click |
| 22:45.10 | sorphin | bah |
| 22:45.11 | Morn | god, even using maestro is easier than that |
| 22:45.28 | sorphin | Morn: i'm not even doing menus, so this is trivial |
| 22:45.36 | sorphin | i don't need "click" and it's done |
| 22:46.08 | Morn | if you want a 'professional' look you need menus |
| 22:46.08 | Morn | I want to put 4 episodes of a tv program on one dvd |
| 22:46.15 | Morn | menus are NEEDED |
| 22:46.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:47.04 | Morn | for me a GUI to do all this is needed... |
| 22:47.14 | Morn | cli is great of some things, but this in my mind isn't one of them |
| 22:47.25 | sorphin | maybe he can make one out of pixil ;p |
| 22:47.29 | Morn | doh! |
| 22:49.47 | sorphin | ;) |
| 22:49.51 | sorphin | bbl. heading home |
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| 22:53.25 | CosmicPenguin | What? |
| 22:53.31 | CosmicPenguin | Who's talking about me? |
| 22:53.43 | CosmicPenguin | somebody fill me in |
| 23:00.31 | TheMasterMind1 | noone |
| 23:00.39 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: we were talking about menus in dvd's with linux |
| 23:00.41 | TheMasterMind1 | * sorphin points at CP |
| 23:00.42 | TheMasterMind1 | <sorphin> maybe he can make one out of pixil ;p |
| 23:00.42 | Morn | your name came up |
| 23:13.26 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: hmmm.... its possible, but tis difficult |
| 23:13.50 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: it involves hacking the NAV packets as part of the mpeg stream. I want to do somethign like that ,but I need to recruit a much more intellegent MPEG hacker than myself |
| 23:15.54 | Morn | I guess my point with sorphin was this is too difficult to really do with linux at the moment |
| 23:20.29 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: yesish... you could start off with libdvdnav, and go from there. Its not technically impossible, just logistically complicated |
| 23:20.51 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: A better start would be a graphical IFO editor |
| 23:21.17 | Morn | sorphin was basically giving me grief for wanting a GUI for doing it |
| 23:21.31 | Morn | and I just felt this is something that needs a gui |
| 23:22.08 | Morn | I know that a vob is just a mpg with some extras, but that doesn't help me create a vob from a mpg |
| 23:22.31 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Yeah, an graphcal IFO editor would be nice for that. But for now, the CLI is good enough for me... :) |
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