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| 00:19.14 | ben | is the J11 serial port on the webpal 0x2F8 |
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| 00:25.00 | Russ|werk | ben: dunno, but whichever it is, it needs level conversion |
| 00:30.56 | sorphin | ben: ummm |
| 00:31.01 | sorphin | 0x278 is peecee thinking |
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| 00:31.15 | sorphin | non peecees don't work like that |
| 00:31.26 | cpenguin_home | Mine does.. :-) |
| 00:31.31 | cpenguin_home | Evening... |
| 00:31.48 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: um.. you don't even know what i was talking about ;) |
| 00:32.00 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: that was part of the joke... |
| 00:32.02 | cpenguin_home | I think |
| 00:32.05 | cpenguin_home | Anyway |
| 00:32.07 | ben | well is it /dev/ttyS0 |
| 00:32.10 | ben | (J11) |
| 00:32.18 | ben | and should I be able to echo stuff to it |
| 00:32.24 | ben | and see it in minicom on my desktop |
| 00:32.26 | sorphin | ben: heh |
| 00:32.45 | ben | heh? |
| 00:32.56 | sorphin | type dmesg |
| 00:33.03 | ben | good plan |
| 00:33.10 | sorphin | so you can see that the port was even detected right |
| 00:33.58 | ben | ttyS00 at 0x2f8 |
| 00:34.01 | ben | i guess thats it |
| 00:34.03 | ben | cause its the only one |
| 00:34.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:34.23 | ben | so how come i can't see nothing when I echo to it |
| 00:34.29 | sorphin | 1st time i've ever seen a non peecee use a type of addr like that |
| 00:34.46 | ben | interesting |
| 00:34.52 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: what platform is that? |
| 00:34.57 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: webpal |
| 00:35.12 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: odd |
| 00:35.49 | ben | /proc/something/or/othere said it detected some stuff up at 0x80400something |
| 00:36.00 | ben | boy that was pretty specific |
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| 00:36.26 | sorphin | ben: erm.. make up your mind :P |
| 00:36.31 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 00:36.33 | MonMotha | it has a PC type SuperIO chip providing the serial ports, pport, and floppy |
| 00:36.43 | MonMotha | probably why it's at PeeCee like IOs |
| 00:36.53 | sorphin | MonMotha: hmm.. good point |
| 00:36.57 | ben | ok |
| 00:36.59 | sorphin | forgot about that |
| 00:37.10 | MonMotha | sorphin: see, and I don't even have one yet |
| 00:37.11 | ben | yea it has three "unkown uarts" |
| 00:37.21 | MonMotha | three? |
| 00:37.43 | ben | at ports 0x804002f8,3f8,2e8,3e8 |
| 00:37.44 | ben | 4 |
| 00:37.46 | ben | my bad |
| 00:37.53 | ben | im using a 5" LCD for my webpal |
| 00:37.53 | MonMotha | there's two serial ports, one has raw IR data, the other is hooked up to the atmel uC which decodes IR keyboard and smart card |
| 00:37.56 | MonMotha | hum... |
| 00:37.59 | ben | hard to read from across the room |
| 00:38.05 | MonMotha | are there maybe two serial ports that aren't brought out to headers |
| 00:38.22 | MonMotha | ibot webpal |
| 00:38.23 | | from memory, webpal is a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 00:38.27 | MonMotha | ibot webpal schematics |
| 00:38.28 | | MonMotha: wish i knew |
| 00:38.35 | ben | rright |
| 00:38.43 | ben | well I cut JP1 |
| 00:38.49 | MonMotha | ibot webpal schematics are at http://www.geocities.com/webpalstuff/Webpal_1.0c.pdf |
| 00:38.50 | | MonMotha: okay |
| 00:38.51 | ben | so one serial port should be hooked to my serial intrface |
| 00:38.53 | ben | and nothing else |
| 00:41.39 | ben | brilliant |
| 00:41.41 | ben | The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information. |
| 00:41.42 | ben | Access to this site will be restored within an hour. Please try again later. |
| 00:41.42 | ben | http://us.share.geocities.com/webpalstuff/Webpal_1.0c.pdf |
| 00:42.07 | ben | hm |
| 00:42.09 | ben | how big is that pdf |
| 00:42.16 | ben | maybe I can mirror it |
| 00:42.25 | sorphin | that's the color one btw |
| 00:42.32 | sorphin | the b&w one remove the c |
| 00:47.41 | ben | can somebody mail me a copy or something |
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| 00:47.54 | ben | or DCC one |
| 00:48.10 | sorphin | i looked at work |
| 00:49.21 | MonMotha | it's 1.4MB |
| 00:49.28 | MonMotha | ben: email? |
| 00:50.28 | MonMotha | what is the bandwidth quota on geocities these days? |
| 00:51.01 | sorphin | MonMotha: umm |
| 00:51.10 | sorphin | MonMotha: they've always sucked |
| 00:53.24 | ben | ben@gelbnet.com |
| 00:53.28 | ben | thanks |
| 00:53.43 | MonMotha | sorphin: not nearly as bad as they do now |
| 00:55.12 | MonMotha | is there JTAG on the webpal? |
| 00:55.30 | sorphin | no |
| 00:55.38 | sorphin | MonMotha: this has been covered :P |
| 00:55.51 | sorphin | you use gdb to hit the cirrus debug stuff in the chip :P |
| 00:55.53 | MonMotha | sorphin: ah, didn't see that :) |
| 00:56.00 | sorphin | umm |
| 00:56.03 | sorphin | that was weeks ago ;p |
| 00:56.11 | MonMotha | ah, that works even if there's nothing for the chip to do? |
| 00:56.15 | MonMotha | (as in, blank flash)? |
| 00:56.30 | sorphin | taht's how you flash it |
| 00:56.32 | sorphin | or |
| 00:56.38 | sorphin | rather it's a way to flash it |
| 00:56.38 | ben | well, I tanked my flash, it acted blank anyways, and I couldnt get gdb to work |
| 00:56.44 | ben | I had to reflash mine |
| 00:56.58 | ben | with another webpal |
| 00:57.05 | ben | hotswap the Flash after boot |
| 00:57.34 | sorphin | that's why you don't brick it ;) |
| 00:58.07 | MonMotha | ah, so if you do bork your flash you do have to program the flash using some other means? |
| 00:59.01 | ben | well the way I did anyways |
| 00:59.05 | ben | I don't know if thats always the case |
| 00:59.11 | ben | I don't intend to research it ;=) |
| 00:59.41 | sorphin | MonMotha: on one of the pages, is how to flash w/ gdb |
| 00:59.55 | ben | the main bigbrd site |
| 00:59.55 | MonMotha | sorphin: yeah, I saw that |
| 00:59.56 | ben | has that |
| 01:00.08 | ben | does anybody know how much time halted takes to ship NICs |
| 01:00.12 | ben | I ordered a bunch yesterday |
| 01:00.12 | MonMotha | I just though that was handled by the existing bootloader (they don't come blank, do they?), rather than the chip itself |
| 01:01.33 | sorphin | MonMotha: ummm |
| 01:01.40 | sorphin | MonMotha: you replace the bootloader :P |
| 01:02.04 | sorphin | the cirrus has gdb interfacablity (just like the ceiva) |
| 01:02.15 | MonMotha | k, that was my question |
| 01:02.33 | MonMotha | I thought gdb was speaking with the old bootloader |
| 01:02.37 | sorphin | no |
| 01:02.39 | MonMotha | ala inferno on the tux |
| 01:02.44 | sorphin | nope |
| 01:03.15 | MonMotha | k, that makes more sense then |
| 01:03.19 | MonMotha | more handy than jtag too |
| 01:03.25 | sorphin | nod |
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| 01:08.33 | ben | MonMotha: you send the pdf? |
| 01:08.38 | MonMotha | ben: need address |
| 01:08.48 | ben | ben@gelbnet.com |
| 01:08.51 | MonMotha | sending |
| 01:08.53 | ben | great |
| 01:08.58 | ben | I will mirror on my school account |
| 01:09.04 | ben | put our shiny new DS3 to use |
| 01:09.05 | ben | hehe |
| 01:09.30 | TheMasterMind1 | might as well mirror all those pdfs too |
| 01:09.33 | TheMasterMind1 | just in case |
| 01:09.37 | TheMasterMind1 | put wget to use |
| 01:09.45 | MonMotha | bah, I could put it on my UH shell |
| 01:09.48 | MonMotha | dual OC3s I think |
| 01:10.21 | ben | well do it then! |
| 01:10.46 | MonMotha | I'd have to ask first :) |
| 01:11.05 | MonMotha | they've offered to host elinux.org if we want them to tho |
| 01:11.13 | TheMasterMind1 | ben: you should as one of the sysadmins before too |
| 01:11.20 | TheMasterMind1 | like yourself, or me :) |
| 01:11.34 | ben | huh? |
| 01:11.35 | ben | or |
| 01:11.38 | ben | as = ask |
| 01:11.40 | ben | ic |
| 01:11.44 | TheMasterMind1 | err, yes |
| 01:11.44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:11.50 | ben | Ben, is it ok to host the webpal stuff? |
| 01:11.53 | ben | Yes |
| 01:11.54 | ben | OK |
| 01:11.55 | ben | Cool |
| 01:11.56 | ben | GOod |
| 01:13.24 | ben | w00t |
| 01:13.30 | ben | the nic had a loose cao |
| 01:13.31 | ben | cap |
| 01:13.33 | ben | and I soldered it |
| 01:13.37 | ben | and it GOT DETECCTED |
| 01:13.38 | ben | SWEET |
| 01:13.41 | sorphin | OK |
| 01:13.42 | sorphin | :P |
| 01:14.41 | TheMasterMind1 | ben: wha?! |
| 01:14.43 | TheMasterMind1 | which one |
| 01:16.18 | ben | aww |
| 01:16.22 | ben | throwing errors like mad though |
| 01:16.43 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 01:16.51 | ben | mismatched read page pointers |
| 01:16.57 | ben | keeps comin up |
| 01:17.40 | ben | and timeout waiting for Tx RDC |
| 01:19.20 | TheMasterMind1 | that sucks |
| 01:20.24 | ben | wait |
| 01:20.27 | ben | its using IRQ 9 |
| 01:20.30 | ben | I thought only 3 worked |
| 01:20.35 | ben | when I specify 3 on the modprobe |
| 01:20.38 | ben | it doesnt work |
| 01:20.44 | ben | when I don't specify irq |
| 01:20.47 | ben | it puts it on 9 |
| 01:21.46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:23.19 | MonMotha | hardware IRQ3 maps to IRQ9 in linux on the webpal iirc |
| 01:23.43 | MonMotha | "...make sure it is set to use IRQ3 since that's the only interrupt line wired to the ISA bus slot. This maps to interrupt #9 in ARM linux." |
| 01:24.01 | sorphin | yup |
| 01:24.10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm. with this lirc code, it gets data 91 each time |
| 01:24.23 | MonMotha | was anyone working on BLOB for the webpal? |
| 01:24.44 | TheMasterMind1 | MonMotha: yes, prpplauge said he was but didn't have mch time to work on it |
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| 01:26.02 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, the way the lirc sir driver works is it records the time the signals come in and has this add_event function.. so i guess its taking the ir and making a 0100111 binary string using that add function. so i need to basically do the same thing until i get one thing of data which i then use. so what is one "packet"? 8 bits? |
| 01:26.08 | TheMasterMind1 | do i make any sense at all? |
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| 01:30.53 | file | TheMasterMind1: most of the time yes |
| 01:36.59 | ben | ok |
| 01:37.05 | ben | so IRQ 9 makes sense then |
| 01:39.17 | ben | webpal schematic is now available at http://www.tjhsst.edu/~bgelb/webpal/Webpal_1.0c.pdf |
| 01:42.17 | sorphin | ben: tell ibot |
| 01:42.32 | TheMasterMind1 | file: ok |
| 01:42.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot you suck |
| 01:42.36 | | :( |
| 01:42.37 | sorphin | ben: i.e. webpal schematic is also.... |
| 01:42.39 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot die |
| 01:42.40 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 01:42.40 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot TheMasterMind1 |
| 01:42.41 | | i heard themastermind1 is a 16 year old OZ Developer and can be reached at oz@themastermind1.net |
| 01:42.42 | sorphin | TheMasterMind1: umm |
| 01:42.49 | TheMasterMind1 | sorphin: heh |
| 01:42.53 | sorphin | TheMasterMind1: enough |
| 01:43.04 | TheMasterMind1 | sorphin: yea, i know |
| 01:45.51 | ben | ibot: the webpal schematic is also available at http://www.tjhsst.edu/~bgelb/webpal |
| 01:45.53 | | okay, ben |
| 01:46.00 | ben | ibot: webpal |
| 01:46.01 | | it has been said that webpal is a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 01:46.07 | ben | ibot: webpal schematic |
| 01:46.08 | | webpal schematic is probably available at http://www.tjhsst.edu/~bgelb/webpal |
| 01:46.16 | ben | probably? |
| 01:46.25 | ben | what do you mean probably? |
| 01:46.35 | ben | =) |
| 01:47.06 | TheMasterMind1 | you told it probabaly |
| 01:47.09 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 01:47.10 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 01:47.16 | TheMasterMind1 | ~lart TheMasterMind1 |
| 01:50.55 | TomW | TheMasterMind1: you got webspace somewhere for Alex's stuff? |
| 01:54.08 | TheMasterMind1 | i can put it on my server, or on tjhsst.edu |
| 01:54.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i was thinking elinux.org wiki would be a much better place |
| 01:54.22 | TheMasterMind1 | wiki's are good for this sort of thing |
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| 01:54.31 | TheMasterMind1 | or a wiki on my server or on tjhsst.edu in my account |
| 01:55.07 | TomW | Yeah, maybe wiki it at elinux, then point links to your favorite web storage spot. |
| 01:55.31 | TomW | I am about to put another server up on a fractional T1, so I will have space / bandwidth. |
| 01:55.40 | ben | The AC adapter is fused |
| 01:55.45 | ben | my fuse is blown |
| 01:55.49 | ben | >-( |
| 01:56.02 | TomW | ben: this is a good thing though, only the fuse was toasted. |
| 01:56.08 | ben | this is true |
| 01:56.23 | TomW | of course, the question is now, why the fuse? |
| 01:57.25 | TheMasterMind1 | bah, i hate IRDA |
| 01:57.40 | TomW | yeah, like a scrap of 30ga wire clippings wedged between some pine... |
| 01:57.46 | TomW | s/pine/pins/ |
| 01:58.20 | TomW | wonder how hard it would be to get blob running on the webpal. |
| 01:58.36 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:58.45 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplauge and MonMotha are both working on it i think |
| 01:59.55 | ben | hmmm |
| 02:00.02 | ben | should I replace a 5A fuse with a 2A fuse |
| 02:00.07 | ben | I don't think im drawing 2A anyway |
| 02:00.53 | ben | ooh |
| 02:00.54 | ben | heres a 5 |
| 02:01.01 | TheMasterMind1 | hm, so this lirc_sir driver. it is recieving data 5b from the register. basically, it keeps reading until the end of the data stream (reading in the 0c5b each time) and its counting how many times it went through the read loop. thats set to n. then erehe's some add function that takes that n and does some funky stuff with the time to make pulses and spaces that the rest of lirc understands. but what i want is to convert this number |
| 02:01.01 | TheMasterMind1 | erial data and get 8 bits and see what that number is |
| 02:01.03 | file | mmm... Family Guy] |
| 02:01.24 | TheMasterMind1 | i dont' make much sense, as usual |
| 02:02.22 | jacques | hi TomW |
| 02:04.54 | TomW | jacques: finally got your nose out of that source file, eh? |
| 02:06.28 | TomW | jacques: just planning on what needs to be done to finish up some boards I have to deliver this Friday. I need to solder on some grounding leads, drill the enclosures and put them together. I hope to have 82 of them ready for Friday. |
| 02:11.55 | ben | hmm |
| 02:12.02 | ben | i cant get the adapter closed back up again |
| 02:12.07 | ben | the fuse I put in is much bigger |
| 02:12.09 | ben | oh well |
| 02:12.13 | ben | i will buy a small one tomrorow |
| 02:12.48 | jacques | TomW: 82 boards? what sord of boards? |
| 02:12.51 | jacques | sort |
| 02:13.17 | TomW | jacques: RS232 --> RS485 interface modules. I build them inside an RS232 Hood. |
| 02:13.46 | cpenguin_home | TomW: I didn't know you put them in the hood. Thats a cool hack |
| 02:15.13 | TomW | it was a bitch to find RS232 hoods. Most of them are phenolic (sp?), I finally found some plastic ones that snap together, DB25 at both ends. |
| 02:17.10 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: boards are only 1" x 1.2" in size. |
| 02:26.53 | TheMasterMind1 | hey..wheres that site with the sejin protocol |
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| 03:19.10 | Jag | Greets, anyone know how if there's a clean way to hardcode the kernel arguments? |
| 03:22.14 | cpenguin_home | Jag: depends... what kernel are you using? |
| 03:23.14 | Jag | cpenguin_home: 2.4.18 |
| 03:23.49 | cpenguin_home | what platform? |
| 03:24.08 | Jag | cpenguin_home: x86 into an IBM 8364 (NetVista N2800) thin client. |
| 03:25.00 | Jag | cpenguin_home: I attached the initrd to the back end of the kernel and it seems to recognize it. |
| 03:25.46 | Jag | cpenguin_home: I just need to speficy the ramdisk size (easily configured at compile time if nessesary), root device (not so easy) and a few other more optional parameters. |
| 03:35.43 | Jag | Boyah, I think I got it |
| 03:45.43 | cpenguin_home | Jag: glad I could help... :-) |
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| 03:48.53 | Jag | Hehe |
| 03:48.59 | Jag | Well, I got the arguments in there. |
| 03:49.17 | Jag | Just a crude memcopy hack in arch/i386/kernel/setup.c |
| 03:49.31 | Jag | But now I need to get it to actually use the initrd |
| 03:49.37 | Jag | Which, I think is too big. |
| 03:50.01 | Mattster9 | Can somebody point me towards some links or a howto on making a tuxscreen into a wireless AP? |
| 03:50.54 | Jag | Wish they hadn't designed this stupid thing to use an NFS root. |
| 03:51.04 | Jag | May have to give it a shot on compact flash |
| 04:00.08 | Jag | I hope it'll read the kernel off an ext2 CF on it's own. |
| 04:00.16 | Jag | No idea what it's boot loader expects. |
| 04:07.43 | Jag | Cool, it's good with ext2 |
| 04:08.08 | Jag | Guess I'll load from there with no initrd. |
| 04:08.17 | Jag | Easy on main mem anyway. |
| 04:23.01 | MonMotha | TheMasterMind1: I'm no currently working on BLOB for the webpal, but if I get them and there's still no blob, I may join in the effort as I like blob :) (personally, I like the CRL/OHH loader better, but BLOB is alright) |
| 04:24.50 | Jag | Heh, CF to IDE adapter in this thing. |
| 04:24.51 | Jag | Handy |
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| 04:28.19 | MonMotha | yeah, I need to get myself a few of those |
| 04:31.40 | Jag | Which is writing its little but off. |
| 04:32.57 | MonMotha | well, the IDE ones aren't hot swappable (at least I haven't seen any that are) |
| 04:33.14 | MonMotha | it's probably better to get yourself some PCMCIA slots for your desktop and use a CF->PCMCIA adapter |
| 04:35.43 | Jag | The USB ones work sweet |
| 04:35.53 | Jag | Particualy the Imation FlashGo! |
| 04:35.59 | Jag | G'Night |
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| 11:18.38 | theDevil- | hey wicked |
| 11:18.42 | theDevil- | an embedded linux chan |
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| 15:23.07 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:30.19 | GPSFan | morning CosmicPenguin: |
| 16:19.07 | kergoth | hey |
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| 16:22.58 | andersee | Anybody want an x86 uClibc only development system? |
| 16:23.48 | andersee | http://uclibc.org/ |
| 16:25.12 | Lethal | people still use x86? :P |
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| 16:48.23 | andersee | Lethal: a few |
| 16:48.31 | andersee | Lethal: Mostly wierdos though |
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| 16:51.04 | sieve | lo all |
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| 17:26.21 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: me, me! |
| 17:26.33 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I just got a new mother board I can stick it on... .:) |
| 17:42.11 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Feel free to grab it. |
| 17:42.32 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: linked to from uclibc.org |
| 17:42.43 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I saw it |
| 17:42.49 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: thats some kewl stuff |
| 17:42.56 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: looks like gdb is busted. Checking what the deal is. |
| 17:43.23 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I assume the C++ is still static for the momemt |
| 17:43.56 | andersee | dunno |
| 17:43.59 | andersee | lemme look |
| 17:45.52 | andersee | yup, seems to |
| 17:46.02 | andersee | Guess I need to fix that |
| 17:49.22 | andersee | bwahahaha! |
| 17:49.29 | andersee | Check out this typo in gcc-3.2.1/libstdc++-v3 |
| 17:49.42 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.09 | sorphin | typo? looks intentional |
| 17:50.45 | andersee | maybe. Still funny. |
| 17:50.55 | andersee | Probably takes an extra month to compile too |
| 17:50.57 | sorphin | prolly appropriate ;) |
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| 17:55.36 | prpplague | howdy |
| 17:55.49 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 17:56.00 | kergoth | prpplague: whats up with the digi connect stuff? i havent had time to look at it myself |
| 17:56.29 | prpplague | kergoth: nothing, its been on hold |
| 17:56.36 | kergoth | prpplague: figured |
| 17:56.41 | Lethal | andersee, cool, got the elf2flt stuff fixed |
| 17:56.43 | prpplague | kergoth: i've had two other projects i'm working on |
| 17:56.52 | prpplague | kergoth: signature capture and some imaging stuff |
| 17:57.06 | prpplague | kergoth: the board is sitting here waiting on dev time |
| 17:57.14 | kergoth | prpplague: cool cool. I'll probably be looking into it again soon, might just fucking port blob. easy enough |
| 17:57.21 | kergoth | prpplague: well keep me posted on it |
| 17:57.36 | prpplague | kergoth: we are still a go on the project, just gotta clean up existing projects first |
| 17:57.53 | kergoth | prpplague: k |
| 17:58.03 | andersee | Lethal: oh, what was the deal? |
| 17:59.03 | Lethal | andersee, looks like the toolchain installation got a bit confused, rebuilding and adding in elf2flt patches fixed it though |
| 17:59.52 | Lethal | so its doing DIR32/REL32 relocations fine, now its just a matter of merging in binfmt_flat |
| 18:00.06 | andersee | Lethal: cool |
| 18:03.20 | Lethal | it still built an i386-uclibc-ldd though |
| 18:03.24 | Lethal | no idea where that came from |
| 18:04.24 | andersee | Thats part of the uclibc build. |
| 18:04.36 | Lethal | why doesn't it build an sh-uclibc-ldd? |
| 18:05.03 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Looks like removing --disable-shared from the gcc build in gcc_target.mk is sufficient to fix it. |
| 18:05.31 | sorphin | andersee: i usually have to disable shared to fix somethings.. heh |
| 18:05.33 | andersee | Lethal: that is for your host system. It'll build one for the target if you tell it to. |
| 18:05.37 | sorphin | w/ glibc even |
| 18:05.44 | Lethal | ah |
| 18:06.34 | andersee | Lethal: There is a makefile target for that. make install_target_utils |
| 18:06.43 | Lethal | ok |
| 18:12.53 | andersee | kernel update... brb... |
| 18:16.28 | sorphin | finally.. man that was slow |
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| 18:17.03 | sorphin | andersee: re |
| 18:18.49 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: wasn't that what I asked yesterday? |
| 18:19.00 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: yeah. |
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| 18:19.09 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I checked gcc, not libstdc++ |
| 18:20.34 | sorphin | andersee: doh |
| 18:20.47 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: thats ok, but file was mocking me for getting everything wrong, so lets just blame it on him |
| 18:20.52 | sorphin | . o O ( damn daemons *grin* ) |
| 18:21.10 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: everything wrong is file's fault, didn't you know ? |
| 18:23.54 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: remove --disable-shared in both passes of the compiler? |
| 18:24.35 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: For just the seconds pass, change disable to enable |
| 18:24.45 | andersee | err. second |
| 18:24.52 | andersee | The first is fine as is |
| 18:25.20 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: change it specifically to --enable-shared or just remove the --disable-shared? |
| 18:25.30 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I ask because I removed --disable-shared, and it still didn't work |
| 18:28.09 | andersee | --enable-shared |
| 18:28.20 | andersee | I rebuilt it here and it worked for me... |
| 18:28.52 | andersee | $ ls /mnt/usr/lib/*++* |
| 18:28.53 | andersee | /mnt/usr/lib/libstdc++.a /mnt/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5@ /mnt/usr/lib/libsupc++.la* |
| 18:28.53 | andersee | /mnt/usr/lib/libstdc++.la* /mnt/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.1* |
| 18:28.53 | andersee | /mnt/usr/lib/libstdc++.so@ /mnt/usr/lib/libsupc++.a |
| 18:29.41 | andersee | Uhoh |
| 18:29.57 | andersee | Looks like it linked libstdc++ vs glibc |
| 18:30.00 | andersee | grr |
| 18:31.10 | sorphin | umm |
| 18:31.13 | sorphin | no such thing |
| 18:32.56 | CosmicPenguin | Thats not good |
| 18:33.05 | CosmicPenguin | So what you are saying is to not enable-shared? |
| 18:35.27 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: what I'm saying is to hang on for a bit while I sort this stuff out |
| 18:35.30 | andersee | :) |
| 18:35.39 | Lethal | andersee, any idea why R_ARM_PC24 doesn't set relocation_needed in elf2flt? sym_addr is still adjusted |
| 18:35.47 | ade|bed | damn mobo wont be here till the 21st :( damn shipping from .tw |
| 18:36.12 | andersee | Lethal: no idea |
| 18:37.57 | andersee | sorphin: Well, AMD should get off their collective butt and make one for me |
| 18:38.03 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: no worries... :) |
| 18:38.14 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: At least i get to test all the transistors in my CPU |
| 18:40.29 | Lethal | oh, I get it |
| 18:40.36 | Lethal | PC rel doesn't need the reloc |
| 18:40.45 | TomW | doh |
| 18:40.52 | TomW | :) |
| 18:40.54 | sorphin | andersee: well, the ratings are supposed to be faily close to P4s |
| 18:42.10 | Lethal | that makes sense |
| 18:42.35 | Lethal | P4s are useless w/o HT |
| 18:43.42 | sorphin | he likes it |
| 18:44.22 | Lethal | real SMP is still arguably more fun though |
| 18:44.41 | andersee | I'd like a dual 3 GHz system, though the heat would probably roast me to death in my little office |
| 18:44.41 | sorphin | Lethal: SMP that doesn't require the damn kernel to do the work :P |
| 18:45.01 | sorphin | andersee: erik, my damn Sparc 20 would roast you in your office |
| 18:45.07 | sorphin | hell it heats my basement area :P |
| 18:45.24 | Lethal | sorphin, if you want to make useful use of HT, you still have to do work in the kernel for it. I think Ingo has some O(1) hacks for HT which boost performance a bit. |
| 18:45.51 | sorphin | Lethal: well, when i was talking SMP, i was refering to say my dual PPros |
| 18:45.52 | Lethal | you still have a runqueue per logical processor, even in HT |
| 18:46.09 | Lethal | yeah, but smp ppro sucks :P |
| 18:46.18 | sorphin | umm |
| 18:46.28 | sorphin | don't you have some SH3s to play w/? :P |
| 18:46.36 | Lethal | not at the moment :P |
| 18:46.48 | sorphin | ~lart lethal |
| 18:47.01 | Lethal | had a 6-way PPro. now _that_ was useless. |
| 18:47.09 | sorphin | i wanna know who the hell made ibot kinky |
| 18:47.40 | sorphin | Lethal: my dual is nice, but since it's not true SMP, it's the kernel's job to offload to whatever processor and it does it poortly |
| 18:48.20 | Lethal | what's not true SMP about it? |
| 18:48.44 | sorphin | yup.. everything runs on 1 proc, true symetric would split the load between the 2 processors |
| 18:48.47 | sorphin | linux smp doesn't |
| 18:49.24 | Lethal | as long as you use per processor runqueues, its not an issue |
| 18:49.40 | sorphin | umm |
| 18:49.59 | sorphin | i have yet to ever find anything in linux to allow me to offload to one proc or the other |
| 18:50.11 | sorphin | everything usually stays on 1 proc so it becomes useless |
| 18:50.14 | Lethal | linux has been able to do that for years :P |
| 18:50.32 | sorphin | Lethal: sure hasn't looked like it to me :P |
| 18:50.33 | Lethal | more recently the cpu affinity stuff takes care of that implicitly |
| 18:50.45 | Lethal | well, most of that fun stuff is 2.5 bound |
| 18:51.21 | sorphin | i'm about at the point of downgrading :P |
| 18:51.25 | Lethal | I've been running x86 smp for years and its always worked fine, though i've got quite a few local hacks in, but that's unrelated. |
| 18:51.26 | sorphin | away from 2.4.20 |
| 18:52.13 | sorphin | i talked to a friend last night |
| 18:52.28 | sorphin | has hte same USB stuff setup that i was messing w/ |
| 18:52.30 | sorphin | same card |
| 18:52.31 | sorphin | same drives |
| 18:52.36 | sorphin | his works flawlessly w/ 2.4.18 |
| 18:52.50 | sorphin | w/ .20, mine deadlocks very very frequently |
| 18:53.22 | Lethal | I'm still on 2.4.18 on one box |
| 18:53.32 | Lethal | no reason to use .20 |
| 18:54.10 | Lethal | I still have a box on 2.3 that will probably move to 2.5 soon |
| 18:54.14 | andersee | sorphin: ther've been a lot of usb update post 2.4.20... |
| 18:54.16 | Lethal | 2.4 just gets in the way :P |
| 18:55.34 | sorphin | Lethal: esp w/ the junky VM |
| 18:55.56 | Lethal | sorphin, vm was mostly cleaned by the end of 2.3, linus just fucked it for -prerelease :P |
| 18:56.03 | sorphin | andersee: well, they're not on a "stable" 2.4.21 yet.. and i'm not running a pre on this box ;) |
| 18:56.17 | sorphin | seeing as i just recovered the damn thing |
| 18:56.19 | Lethal | but I still have a box on 2.1.121 due to VM suckage :P |
| 18:56.21 | sorphin | Lethal: umm... |
| 18:56.44 | sorphin | Lethal: 2.2's vm was fine, 2.4's sucked, so they changed it, and made it equally bad as the one htey removed |
| 18:57.07 | Lethal | sorphin, 2.3's was fine as well, linus fucked it up in the 2.4 -prerelease |
| 18:57.20 | sorphin | or it'll constantly kill thigns doing big writes |
| 18:57.36 | sorphin | cuz it won't deallocate any of it's "cache" for other processes |
| 18:58.23 | sorphin | Lethal: so 2.4's had 2 bad vms.. i hope they chucked em both in 2.5 :P |
| 18:59.09 | Lethal | 2.5 is a lot cleaner for a lot of things |
| 18:59.19 | Lethal | O(1) is nice too |
| 18:59.46 | sorphin | ummm |
| 18:59.52 | sorphin | O(1) ? |
| 18:59.56 | Lethal | scheduler |
| 19:00.31 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:00.55 | Lethal | there's a runqueue per processor, and each one of those has a queue for each priority |
| 19:01.18 | Lethal | so finding the next runnable task is really quick |
| 19:01.24 | Lethal | vxworks does the same thing |
| 19:01.26 | sorphin | Lethal: heh, so, genius, how do i get the kernel to offload ? |
| 19:01.29 | sorphin | :P |
| 19:01.53 | Lethal | I don't have to do anything special to load both processors |
| 19:01.54 | sorphin | it's why i won't do smp again till i *see* it's working |
| 19:02.12 | Lethal | though I guess my machine isn't doing anything at the moment |
| 19:02.13 | Lethal | CPU0 states: 0.3% user, 0.5% system, 0.0% nice, 98.2% idle |
| 19:02.13 | Lethal | CPU1 states: 0.1% user, 0.0% system, 0.0% nice, 99.4% idle |
| 19:02.17 | Lethal | so that's a bad example |
| 19:02.17 | Lethal | :P |
| 19:02.20 | sorphin | i have to beat the living hell outta proc 1 before proc2 even picks anything up :P |
| 19:02.31 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:02.34 | sorphin | how the hell did you get that ? |
| 19:02.38 | Lethal | top |
| 19:02.52 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:02.57 | sorphin | my top don't show 2 cpus |
| 19:03.00 | Lethal | if you only have a single CPU line, update your procps :P |
| 19:03.18 | sorphin | CPU states: 0.5% user, 0.4% system, 0.0% nice, 99.1% idle |
| 19:03.20 | sorphin | :P |
| 19:03.22 | Lethal | yeah |
| 19:03.26 | Lethal | thats old procps |
| 19:03.28 | Lethal | update to a newer one |
| 19:03.36 | Lethal | I'm running 2.0.7 |
| 19:03.46 | sorphin | ii procps 2.0.7-3 The /proc file system utilities. |
| 19:03.48 | sorphin | :P |
| 19:03.58 | sorphin | next? :P |
| 19:03.59 | Lethal | uh |
| 19:04.56 | Lethal | hum, might be a RHAT patch or something |
| 19:05.21 | sorphin | seeing as i don't go near RH w/ a 10 lightyear pole.. |
| 19:05.24 | sorphin | wouldn't surprise me |
| 19:06.06 | Lethal | or it might be your lame debian version :P |
| 19:06.38 | sorphin | it's 2.0.7 :P so.... |
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| 19:07.04 | Lethal | I'm getting stock 3.1.5 now |
| 19:07.10 | Lethal | will see if that works here |
| 19:07.21 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:07.43 | Lethal | jesus, this thing gives more compile warnings then gcc :P |
| 19:07.55 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:08.07 | sorphin | i've seen lots from the kernel before :P |
| 19:08.20 | sorphin | you wanna see strict compiling :P |
| 19:08.25 | Lethal | about as intelligent before |
| 19:08.28 | Lethal | er, as well |
| 19:08.34 | Lethal | ./top: error while loading shared libraries: libproc.so.3.1.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:08.43 | Lethal | but if you make install it fixes it |
| 19:08.56 | Lethal | this thing wouldn't know a real build system if it jumped up and bit it on the ass :P |
| 19:09.11 | sorphin | one of the programs i have here, has -0- warnings w/ -O2 -pipe -Wall -ansi -posix -pedantic -Wstrict-prototypes \ |
| 19:09.11 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.18 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.31 | sorphin | which isn't too shabby |
| 19:09.46 | Lethal | I always build the kernel with -Wall -Werror |
| 19:10.06 | Lethal | it used to have -Werror in it all the time, but then linus removed it |
| 19:10.13 | sorphin | well, i'm not gonna clean up after lazy kernel maintainers ;p |
| 19:10.23 | Lethal | I think in part because people were loading softfpu stuff into the kernel and there was no hope in hell of any of that building without warnings ;P |
| 19:10.42 | Lethal | erm |
| 19:10.43 | Lethal | this new top sucks |
| 19:10.59 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:11.23 | Lethal | its bot the current running task in bold |
| 19:11.26 | Lethal | fuck thats ugly |
| 19:11.36 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:15.36 | Lethal | okay |
| 19:15.38 | Lethal | 2.0.11 works |
| 19:15.41 | Lethal | but its a bit confused |
| 19:15.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:15.54 | Lethal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.54 | Lethal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.54 | Lethal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.54 | Lethal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.54 | Lethal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.30 | Lethal | other then that it looks fine |
| 19:16.43 | Lethal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.43 | Lethal | 108 processes: 99 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 8 stopped |
| 19:16.43 | Lethal | CPU0 states: 0.1% user 0.1% system 0.0% nice 0.0% iowait 99.3% idle |
| 19:16.43 | Lethal | CPU1 states: 0.3% user 1.0% system 0.0% nice 0.0% iowait 98.1% idle |
| 19:16.43 | Lethal | Mem: 190828k av, 178672k used, 12156k free, 0k shrd, 7528k buff |
| 19:16.45 | Lethal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.47 | Lethal | Swap: 265064k av, 54884k used, 210180k free 120916k cached |
| 19:16.49 | Lethal | try it out and see if it works for you |
| 19:16.59 | Lethal | http://surriel.com/procps/procps-2.0.11.tar.bz2 |
| 19:32.08 | sorphin | hmm |
| 19:32.15 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.21 | sorphin | never seen that process before |
| 19:33.05 | Russ|werk | sorphin: chkrootkit? |
| 19:33.23 | Lethal | installed by netwatch |
| 19:33.42 | sorphin | Russ|werk: nope |
| 19:34.25 | sorphin | Lethal: it's dead now :P |
| 19:34.37 | Lethal | wow |
| 19:34.39 | Lethal | what a lame app |
| 19:34.45 | Lethal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.46 | Lethal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.49 | Lethal | great, colors |
| 19:34.50 | Lethal | :P |
| 19:35.11 | sorphin | dunno wtf caused it to start tho |
| 19:35.12 | Lethal | or I could just use ifconfig :P |
| 19:35.24 | Lethal | sorphin, a startup script, maybe? :P |
| 19:35.27 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:35.33 | sorphin | w/in the past 5 mins? |
| 19:35.35 | sorphin | :P |
| 19:35.47 | Lethal | did you reboot in the past 5 minutes? :P |
| 19:35.51 | sorphin | uh |
| 19:35.53 | sorphin | no dork |
| 19:35.59 | Lethal | bah |
| 19:36.00 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.08 | Lethal | how about runlevel switching? :P |
| 19:36.16 | sorphin | uh.. why would i do that ? |
| 19:36.24 | Lethal | to start netresolv? :P |
| 19:36.29 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:36.31 | sorphin | no dork |
| 19:36.34 | Lethal | bah |
| 19:36.37 | sorphin | why would i be runlevel switching :P |
| 19:37.00 | sorphin | never any others other than the rare singleuser |
| 19:37.49 | sorphin | and it started from the same pts i'm on atm.. |
| 19:38.34 | Lethal | maybe you just suck? :P |
| 19:38.40 | sorphin | oh btw |
| 19:38.44 | sorphin | using 2.0.11 |
| 19:38.45 | sorphin | CPU states: 0.3% user, 0.1% system, 0.0% nice, 99.6% idle |
| 19:38.46 | sorphin | :P |
| 19:38.52 | Lethal | erm |
| 19:38.53 | Lethal | wtf |
| 19:38.56 | sorphin | ok hold on |
| 19:38.58 | sorphin | wrong box |
| 19:39.02 | Lethal | hah |
| 19:39.33 | sorphin | well, i don't have a compiler on the smp box now :P |
| 19:39.51 | Lethal | erm |
| 19:39.54 | Lethal | then wtf is the point of smp? :P |
| 19:39.58 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:40.01 | sorphin | i USED to :P |
| 19:40.06 | sorphin | but when i got the athlon |
| 19:40.11 | sorphin | i moved everything to it :P |
| 19:40.22 | sorphin | since the smp box wasn't smp'ing faster than a damn athlon :P |
| 19:41.04 | Lethal | that depends. I can do IPI and context switching faster then your athlon on an sh7604, but the athlon will kick its ass in performance exponentially :P |
| 19:41.26 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:41.30 | sorphin | apples vs. oranges |
| 19:41.40 | Lethal | smp vs smp :P |
| 19:41.45 | sorphin | you can't compare an non x86 to an x86 on this case |
| 19:41.47 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:41.47 | sorphin | wrong |
| 19:41.52 | sorphin | smp vs. non-smp |
| 19:41.56 | sorphin | the athlon isn't smp :P |
| 19:42.02 | sorphin | duh |
| 19:42.03 | Lethal | sure I can, I'm not arguing processor semantics, just smp semantics ;P |
| 19:42.07 | Lethal | oh |
| 19:42.12 | Lethal | I tthought you said you had a dual athlon |
| 19:42.15 | sorphin | no |
| 19:42.21 | sorphin | this thing predates XPs :P |
| 19:42.23 | Lethal | well, fuck you then :P |
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| 19:42.35 | Lethal | can you smp on XPs? |
| 19:42.37 | sorphin | Lethal: say that again? ;) |
| 19:42.40 | Lethal | I thought you need MPs? |
| 19:42.51 | Lethal | or whatever their marketing trash of the week is now |
| 19:43.00 | sorphin | Lethal: MPs are XPs w/ a jumper set ;p |
| 19:43.13 | *** mode/#eLinux [-o sorphin] by sorphin |
| 19:43.13 | Lethal | ah |
| 19:43.17 | Lethal | thats pretty.. lame |
| 19:43.27 | sorphin | Lethal: so are you, so what's your point? |
| 19:43.38 | Lethal | sorphin, exactly |
| 19:46.49 | sorphin | i love when -static decides to mean nothing |
| 19:46.54 | sorphin | ~lart cp |
| 19:47.22 | Lethal | static onlyworks if you have .a's of what your linking against |
| 19:48.04 | sorphin | oh |
| 19:48.05 | sorphin | this is cute |
| 19:48.11 | sorphin | [root@mewp ~]# ./top |
| 19:48.12 | sorphin | su: ./top: No such file or directory |
| 19:48.12 | sorphin | [root@mewp ~]# ldd ./top |
| 19:48.18 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.22 | sorphin | and it's right in the dir :P |
| 19:49.04 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: uclibc? |
| 19:49.12 | sorphin | nope |
| 19:49.20 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: do you have uclibc on the box? |
| 19:49.26 | sorphin | nope |
| 19:49.47 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: the uclibc-ldd is lots more cross-complier friendly than the regular ldd |
| 19:50.02 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: if you get a copy, you can see why the file is angry |
| 19:50.15 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ah yeah |
| 19:51.27 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: slashdot |
| 19:51.42 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: that is old, how often do you update? |
| 19:51.42 | | CosmicPenguin: what are you talking about? |
| 19:51.53 | sorphin | actually |
| 19:51.55 | sorphin | it's not old |
| 19:51.58 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart myself |
| 19:52.15 | CosmicPenguin | AMI Introduces 'Trusted Computing' BIOS |
| 19:52.15 | Russ|werk | that'd be: |
| 19:52.15 | sorphin | tho i did hear about the amd+ibm last night from someone |
| 19:52.20 | CosmicPenguin | Top story |
| 19:52.21 | Russ|werk | ~lart itself |
| 19:52.27 | Russ|werk | hey! |
| 19:52.29 | sorphin | hahaha |
| 19:52.35 | CosmicPenguin | hah-hah! |
| 19:52.38 | sorphin | ibot: die |
| 19:52.38 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 19:55.42 | prpplague | TomW: hey |
| 19:55.47 | prpplague | TomW: you alive today |
| 19:56.12 | TomW | Yeah, soldering wires to boards. :( |
| 19:56.38 | sorphin | TomW: maxim seems to be in slacker mode |
| 19:57.15 | prpplague | TomW: fun |
| 19:57.30 | prpplague | TomW: my tuxscreen life support board is comming along nicely |
| 19:57.34 | TomW | prpplague: once I get these boards together, and delivered tomorrow, I can then play with the WebPal!!!! :D |
| 19:57.48 | prpplague | TomW: which TS controler do you guys use with your dragon board? |
| 19:58.51 | prpplague | btw, if anyone cares, i got an apology letter from jameco for shipping the wrong max232 chip and replacements caps for the model they sent |
| 20:01.00 | TomW | prpplague: ADS7846, it is a Harris Semi part. |
| 20:01.19 | prpplague | TomW: work well? |
| 20:01.44 | prpplague | TomW: i was looking at the tsc2046 which is same pin out as the 7846 |
| 20:01.45 | TomW | prpplague: one thing I learned about TS stuff, the damned backlight is noisy as hell. It really buggers up the readings on the TS. |
| 20:02.13 | Russ|werk | that network vulernability might be mine... |
| 20:02.43 | TomW | prpplague: I used a seperate LCD and mounted a touch glass over it. I often wonder if an integrated LCD + TS would be quieter. |
| 20:02.51 | Russ|werk | about a month back, I was tracking down a problem in a cgi stript, and I noticed irc nics in the reply's |
| 20:02.59 | Russ|werk | so I emailed one of the netfilter people |
| 20:04.10 | prpplague | TomW: this is what i'm thinking about using - http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/productfolder.jhtml?genericPartNumber=TSC2300 |
| 20:06.20 | TomW | prpplague: signal to noise ratio is impressive! |
| 20:06.27 | TomW | prpplague: 98db |
| 20:08.34 | TomW | prpplague: the 4 x 4 matrix keypad seems useless, eh? |
| 20:08.46 | TomW | prpplague: perfect for a cell phone though. |
| 20:09.05 | prpplague | TomW: naw, will be adding a 4x4 keypad |
| 20:09.17 | prpplague | TomW: good for inventory devices |
| 20:09.31 | prpplague | TomW: or even a game device |
| 20:09.38 | prpplague | TomW: or car mp3 player |
| 20:10.05 | prpplague | TomW: no current linux device driver :( |
| 20:10.11 | prpplague | TomW: i'll have to write one |
| 20:10.51 | TomW | prpplague: IMO, the weakest part of a touch screen system is the amount of noise being induced into the TS panel by the LCD column / row driver electronics and the backlight. |
| 20:11.36 | TomW | prpplague: I did a touchscreen test design (EZ328SIMM) using a simple 10bit ADC, the experience was similar (noise). |
| 20:11.47 | prpplague | TomW: fun |
| 20:11.50 | prpplague | lots to learn |
| 20:12.12 | prpplague | TomW: very difficult to desolder a qfp package? |
| 20:14.29 | TomW | prpplague: if you want to salvage it, it is. |
| 20:16.05 | TomW | prpplague: problem with a chip like that is getting it off the board without bending the leads. |
| 20:17.33 | TomW | prpplague: a TSSOP is a lot easier to salvage as you can usually slip an X-Acto knife under the chip and lift one side gently, while stroking the leads with an iron. Solderwick out any solder on the pads first. |
| 20:19.00 | prpplague | TomW: ya this is pretty small, 48-pin, i was thinking about taking a dremel a cutting the pcb out around the board to make it wasier |
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| 20:22.11 | TomW | prpplague: 48 pin? Is it a "J" lead device? |
| 20:22.34 | sorphin | TomW: the flash chips the tivo uses are J lead |
| 20:22.41 | sorphin | annoying |
| 20:22.52 | prpplague | TomW: its the ucb1200 chip on the daughter board for the tuxscreen |
| 20:31.44 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you're good at finding deals on the web - where do you sppose I could find a Linksys AP for cheap? |
| 20:32.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'd recommend something other than linksys to be honest |
| 20:32.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i have a friend that i work on tivo stuff w/... he's to the point he won't ever get another linksys ap or router again |
| 20:33.15 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: our linksys works like a million bucks |
| 20:33.20 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: but what would you recommend? |
| 20:33.50 | sorphin | dunno about their APs.. but i've had good luck w/ dlink cards |
| 20:34.17 | CosmicPenguin | what I really need is an AP / PCMCIA bonus pack |
| 20:34.36 | sorphin | indeed |
| 20:34.51 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you know |
| 20:35.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't get a linksys 802.11 ap |
| 20:35.09 | sorphin | you can just do adhock w/ the card in her laptop (i'm assuming that's where you're going w/ this) |
| 20:35.17 | sorphin | prpplague: ;) |
| 20:35.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: get a dlink |
| 20:35.29 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:35.35 | sorphin | do i hear an echo? ;) |
| 20:35.53 | prpplague | sorphin: ya ya, i'm slow, but i wanted my $.02 in there |
| 20:36.11 | sorphin | prpplague: you mean your $.005 after taxes ;) |
| 20:36.44 | prpplague | that too |
| 20:38.59 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: nah - adhoc isn't worth it - might as well get the whole house lit up if I am going to buy anything at all |
| 20:39.38 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: don't forget the ipsec |
| 20:39.54 | file | Nobody's gonna believe that computers are intelligent until they start coming in late and lying about it. |
| 20:40.24 | sorphin | since WEP is useless ;) |
| 20:42.44 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Thats why I'm not buying an wireless router - I want my desktop to be always up to date with the latest security crap |
| 20:42.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what model do you use? |
| 20:43.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, don't recall the actual model, just know its a dlink |
| 20:44.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which we never have a problem with |
| 20:48.10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=297245 |
| 20:48.12 | CosmicPenguin | look familiar? |
| 20:52.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya |
| 21:11.48 | file | mmm... chinese food |
| 21:12.05 | prpplague | mmmm chinese food made from cats |
| 21:14.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:14.44 | sorphin | Mandated Regulation/Certification for Computer Repair? |
| 21:14.46 | sorphin | *yawn* |
| 21:15.33 | prpplague | sorphin: ya, its called, "don't hire and idiot" |
| 21:15.45 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:16.40 | kergoth | thats why you let your employer pay for the certs for you |
| 21:16.46 | sorphin | kergoth: ummm |
| 21:16.50 | sorphin | kergoth: won't happen here |
| 21:17.18 | kergoth | cheap bastards eh? |
| 21:17.28 | sorphin | you forget where i work ? |
| 21:17.41 | kergoth | point taken |
| 21:18.05 | sorphin | plus the fact that a minimum of CCNA is required to work out on the floor, why would the company wanna pay for it? :P |
| 21:19.20 | sorphin | now HERE's the truth :P |
| 21:19.21 | sorphin | "As one who fixes his own car, _EVERY TIME_ someone else works on it, they mess something up. If I didnt fix my own computer, I am sure I would see the same. |
| 21:19.22 | sorphin | A certificate is just a piece of paper that reflects a persons reputation. It does not reflect knowledge or skill. |
| 21:19.22 | sorphin | if you screw up, you can loose your certificate, but its too late for those who trusted that it had value in the first place. " |
| 21:21.13 | sorphin | hahaha |
| 21:21.25 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:21.29 | sorphin | "I think it's a double edged sword.. Being Certified doesn't mean you can do it. I once had an MCSE ask me what port Telnet ran on. Not Being Certified doesn't mean you're an idiot. I've seen people blow away cert's and not have a single cert themselves" |
| 21:21.41 | sorphin | ;) |
| 21:22.02 | kergoth | yep. its just a piece of paper |
| 21:22.09 | sorphin | i'm not certified, but no a lot of routing stuff even the certified guys here don't know |
| 21:23.25 | sorphin | speaking of being certified |
| 21:23.41 | TomW | prpplague: that ucb1200 chip on the tux board is tempting, but... Good Luck. |
| 21:24.24 | file | for computer technical support. |
| 21:25.54 | kergoth | you dont want to do tech support |
| 21:25.55 | kergoth | trust me |
| 21:26.20 | file | kergoth: I tried to get introductory electronics, but they stuck me in technical support as my grade 11 elective |
| 21:26.33 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: For only 10 bucks, I'll give you the prestigous IDKS certification |
| 21:26.40 | kergoth | file: ah |
| 21:26.59 | file | kergoth: you get the oppurtunity to get certified - so why not? |
| 21:27.11 | kergoth | file: yep, wont hurt |
| 21:27.21 | file | what certification I don't know |
| 21:27.25 | file | name some for me... |
| 21:27.48 | file | starts with M I think... |
| 21:28.34 | file | eh I give up |
| 21:31.54 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: IDKS ? |
| 21:46.53 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I Don't Know Shit |
| 21:47.02 | sorphin | nah |
| 21:47.07 | sorphin | cuz i do know shit :P |
| 21:47.33 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and so do you, you know how to talk about that Pixil vaporware ;) |
| 21:47.41 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: hah vaporware |
| 21:47.54 | sorphin | well, it's not released |
| 21:47.57 | CosmicPenguin | free software is never vaporware, its just not released yet |
| 21:49.57 | Lethal | or broken to a point where shipping it becomes futile :P |
| 21:50.24 | Lethal | doesn't seem to stop gcc people tho :P |
| 21:52.17 | prpplague | ibot: buildroot |
| 21:52.18 | | i heard buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project, or see oz buildroot |
| 21:55.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i vote for a new ware catagory, stupidware, where managment forces you to release something that isn't ready |
| 21:57.10 | prpplague | "yes sir, given the right conditions this program could cause permanet data loss" "ok then we need to see often it happens, go ahead and start putting on it on customers machines!" |
| 21:59.13 | CosmicPenguin | "Put it in the FAQ" |
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| 22:19.40 | andersee | TimRiker: g'morning |
| 22:25.59 | prpplague | TimRiker: lo |
| 22:27.06 | file | TimRiker: hi |
| 22:29.58 | MonMotha | prpplague: you were working on BLOB for webpal? |
| 22:31.02 | prpplague | MonMotha: just tinkering with it right now, nothing solid |
| 22:31.17 | prpplague | MonMotha: erikm got a webpal and said he'd start working on it next |
| 22:31.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: erikm aka primary author of blob |
| 22:33.21 | sorphin | prpplague: i need to bug him to shove something other than xmodem in there :P since that only works w/ a local term program, and some of use terminal servers to attach to things (so we use things like ztelnet), but ztelnet only handles Y/Z effectively, something's quirky about Xmodem :P |
| 22:33.47 | MonMotha | prpplague: ah, cool |
| 22:33.53 | MonMotha | I can possible help |
| 22:33.56 | MonMotha | once I get mine |
| 22:34.16 | prpplague | erikm is on vacation in NY, and will be back next week |
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| 22:39.05 | sorphin | sjhill: sup bitch |
| 22:39.15 | prpplague | sjhill: hey hey, mr.broadcom expert |
| 22:39.26 | sjhill | sorphin: whore |
| 22:39.29 | sjhill | prpplague: howdy |
| 22:40.09 | sorphin | sjhill: use those cds yet? *grin* |
| 22:42.09 | sjhill | on phone 'sec |
| 22:42.24 | kergoth | hey sjhill |
| 22:42.31 | sjhill | hi kergoth |
| 22:42.44 | sjhill | sorphin: not yet, i'm waiting for my external Indigo SCSI cdrom to arrive |
| 22:43.06 | sjhill | sorphin: unless i can do a nfs install with multiple cd's which would be disgusting |
| 22:43.19 | sorphin | actually |
| 22:43.22 | sorphin | it was easy for me |
| 22:43.28 | sorphin | tho i have the iso images to loop mount :P |
| 22:43.39 | sjhill | i can make the iso image |
| 22:43.39 | sorphin | or extract |
| 22:43.40 | sjhill | s |
| 22:43.47 | sjhill | dd should work |
| 22:43.49 | prpplague | sjhill: moving to colorado? |
| 22:43.50 | sorphin | actually |
| 22:43.53 | sorphin | i take that back |
| 22:43.55 | sjhill | prpplague: nope |
| 22:44.03 | sorphin | sjhill: sgi.. is.... sad |
| 22:44.06 | sorphin | they use rlogin |
| 22:44.10 | sjhill | prpplague: just got a call for a position in Reno though, a company is going to build slot machines running linux |
| 22:44.16 | prpplague | sjhill: moving to columbia to work for a drug lords? |
| 22:44.25 | sjhill | sorphin: ewww |
| 22:44.49 | sorphin | sjhill: yup |
| 22:44.53 | sorphin | it doesn't use tftp |
| 22:44.55 | prpplague | sjhill: cool, gonna put a broadcom 802.11 in it so we can sniff? |
| 22:44.57 | sorphin | it uses rlgoin |
| 22:45.11 | sorphin | no idea why |
| 22:45.19 | sjhill | prpplague: heh, i think a man named Guido would come knockin' |
| 22:45.43 | sorphin | sjhill: wussy |
| 22:46.06 | prpplague | sjhill: guess i'll have to settle for home depot and bestbuy |
| 22:46.18 | sorphin | prpplague: and some airports |
| 22:46.51 | sorphin | clear |
| 22:46.52 | sorphin | grr |
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| 23:48.32 | MonMotha | anyone know a good source (read: inexpensive) of CF->IDE adapters? |
| 23:49.42 | sorphin | MonMotha: prpplague ;) |
| 23:50.00 | MonMotha | heh |
| 23:50.12 | MonMotha | was looking for a retailer? :) |
| 23:51.02 | sorphin | hell if i know then, check pricewatch :P |
| 23:51.45 | MonMotha | heh |
| 23:53.53 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: cf->ide |
| 23:53.54 | | no idea, CosmicPenguin |
| 23:54.04 | CosmicPenguin | halted.com? |
| 23:54.16 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno, it was some wierd name |
| 23:54.39 | sorphin | mmmm cotton candy |
| 23:58.55 | Russ|werk | http://www.halted.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/cgi-local/smpagegen.exe?U+scstore+gvfx6883ff691b69+-p+-c+scstore.cfg+17503a |
| 23:58.57 | Russ|werk | i2c bus |