| 00:20.03 | jacques | yeah I heard that |
| 00:20.05 | jacques | :-( |
| 00:28.59 | MonMotha | hum, I can reliably segfault mozilla |
| 00:29.10 | MonMotha | now if only I had a build with any sort of debugging :) |
| 00:29.23 | MonMotha | jacques: get your iptables things fixed up? |
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| 00:37.47 | kergoth | re |
| 00:44.04 | jacques | MonMotha: yes I sure did :-) |
| 00:44.27 | jacques | MonMotha: I'm not an expert yet or anything, but it's actually starting to make a little sense |
| 00:47.42 | jacques | MonMotha: I think I could learn a lot from your fw script though |
| 00:49.23 | sjhill | jacques: http://www.fwbuilder.org/ |
| 00:49.27 | sjhill | jacques: learn from that |
| 00:53.40 | sorphin | sjhill: k |
| 00:56.09 | jacques | sjhill: thanks :-) |
| 00:56.28 | sorphin | jacques: go get webpals yet? or been rained on? :P |
| 00:56.52 | jacques | sorphin: yeah the weather has been terrible - I havent gone yet |
| 00:56.59 | file | jacques: that place is local to you? |
| 00:56.59 | sjhill | sorphin: if you could, just throw little pieces of paper in each case with the CDR...i'm so anal about labeling my CDRs |
| 00:57.11 | jacques | file: yes it's a few miles from me |
| 00:57.18 | file | jacques: wow |
| 00:57.21 | sorphin | sjhill: um.. how bout i just write on them w/ my marker like i normally do? :P |
| 00:57.36 | file | jacques: I'm mighty tempted to send you the money for me... |
| 00:57.41 | file | er for one for me |
| 00:58.09 | sjhill | sorphin: must....resist....being....anal.....*puf* *puf*...sure, go ahead :) |
| 00:58.10 | file | but, I must restrain myself |
| 00:58.27 | sorphin | sjhill: freak |
| 00:58.31 | sjhill | lol |
| 00:58.53 | jacques | file: you don't want to order from them ? |
| 00:59.09 | sjhill | sorphin: i put an extra CDR in there just in case |
| 00:59.11 | file | jacques: I'm Canadian - they won't ship to me |
| 00:59.30 | jacques | file: aah I understand :-) |
| 00:59.37 | sorphin | sjhill: ah |
| 00:59.54 | sorphin | jacques: don't ship anything to file |
| 00:59.56 | sorphin | jacques: ever |
| 01:00.31 | jacques | sorphin: why not? are we boycotting him? |
| 01:01.05 | sorphin | jacques: well, i suppose you could ship him something, but i'm sure prpplague would have some advice on that subject ;) |
| 01:01.12 | sjhill | jacques: nah, sorphin just likes torturing him |
| 01:01.40 | sorphin | sjhill: file reminds me of someone who goes by warewolf, used to be in the tivo channels.. |
| 01:01.52 | sorphin | annoying, and never contributed anything |
| 01:02.00 | sorphin | just... hung around.. and talked in unix commands :P |
| 01:02.01 | sorphin | i.e. |
| 01:02.08 | sorphin | -c food & |
| 01:02.13 | file | I don't even know of a TiVo channel... |
| 01:02.14 | sorphin | fg |
| 01:02.44 | file | sorphin: your thinking of someone else |
| 01:02.54 | sjhill | for future reference, Echostar's benefits are 3x what every other company has to offer |
| 01:03.03 | sjhill | as in 3x more expensive |
| 01:03.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:03.31 | sorphin | wcom's bennis suck ass now |
| 01:03.41 | file | sjhill: still jobless? |
| 01:03.45 | sorphin | when i started we had united health care, and single ppl didn't have to pay |
| 01:03.54 | sjhill | $290/month for family medical and $64/month for dental |
| 01:03.55 | sorphin | and i didn't need a primary care doc, etc |
| 01:04.01 | sorphin | now |
| 01:04.04 | sorphin | i'm on cigna |
| 01:04.14 | sjhill | yup, Echostar uses cigna too |
| 01:04.32 | sjhill | and they pay bad... |
| 01:05.00 | sorphin | sjhill: "welcome to mcdonalds, would you like fries w/ that?" :P |
| 01:05.02 | sjhill | "Oh, we have profit sharing." "Really? How much was it in past years?" "Ummm, I think about $1000." "Oh." |
| 01:05.20 | sjhill | big whoop |
| 01:05.29 | sjhill | lol |
| 01:06.26 | sorphin | sjhill: so what brand/color are these coasters^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcd-rs? |
| 01:07.08 | sjhill | sorphin: White Memorex with 48x write speed |
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| 01:08.48 | sorphin | when i say color |
| 01:08.51 | sorphin | i mean the dye |
| 01:09.39 | file[bed] | the last Survivor episode is on, and if you can survive watching it - your the true winner |
| 01:19.04 | sjhill | sorphin: silver/clear on the write side, white with purple lettering on label side |
| 01:19.27 | sorphin | hmm |
| 01:19.28 | sorphin | k |
| 01:27.55 | MonMotha | jacques: I try to keep my script well commented, in fact I think there may be more comments than code |
| 01:27.57 | sjhill | sweet, my new batteries for my Indigo's arrived...looks like we'll be soldering tonight |
| 01:29.21 | sorphin | just don't toast the eeprom unless you have a burner ;) |
| 01:29.30 | MonMotha | hum, maybe I should actually hook my shanip mod up to my tux |
| 01:29.39 | sjhill | heh |
| 01:30.06 | sorphin | sjhill: i'm serious :P |
| 01:30.18 | sorphin | you know how fun recovering that crap is :P |
| 01:30.32 | sjhill | sorphin: i'm going to need to assign a new MAC address to my Indigo machines...any chance you can give me the MAC addresses from a couple of your SGI boxen so i have a reference? |
| 01:31.11 | sorphin | 1 mo |
| 01:31.13 | sorphin | actually |
| 01:31.19 | sorphin | you know the serial # is the mac |
| 01:31.23 | sorphin | and it's on teh back of the machine |
| 01:31.24 | sorphin | right? |
| 01:31.36 | sjhill | sorphin: ah, i did not know that...cool....thx |
| 01:31.52 | sorphin | yup |
| 01:32.07 | sorphin | one of the interesting things sgi did |
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| 01:44.38 | MonMotha | sorphin: sun kinda does that IIRC |
| 01:44.51 | sorphin | well |
| 01:44.55 | MonMotha | they have a prefix that isn't their MAC prefix, but everything after that is the vendor-assigned part of the MAC |
| 01:45.08 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:45.12 | MonMotha | the prefix in the S/Ns is thing like machine type and such |
| 01:45.21 | sorphin | never paid attention to that on an sun |
| 01:49.08 | sorphin | sgi, i only did because for obvious reasons.. it uses it to get info from sgi, and needed to find what was what |
| 01:51.23 | MonMotha | ibot seen BZFlag |
| 01:51.30 | | bzflag <timr@rikers.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5h 8m 34s ago, saying: '~colortest'. |
| 01:53.38 | sorphin | ~colortest |
| 01:53.40 | | 2c3o4l5o6r7t8e9s10t |
| 01:53.47 | sorphin | 133+ |
| 01:53.59 | jacques | ooooh aaaah |
| 01:54.04 | jacques | purdy |
| 02:00.51 | MonMotha | ok, exactly what clock speed is the ARM in the tuxscreen? |
| 02:01.08 | MonMotha | I've seen 103, 133, 191.7, 206, etc |
| 02:01.43 | sorphin | 133 if i recall |
| 02:01.50 | sorphin | tho it can be pushed up to 206 easily |
| 02:02.10 | MonMotha | k, thank you :) |
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| 02:08.30 | cpenguin_home | Eveing |
| 02:09.46 | sorphin | allo mr J |
| 02:12.56 | cpenguin_home | I got the only USB based CF reader at the store. THis better work |
| 02:13.23 | cpenguin_home | It says it works for "mac", so thats good news, right? |
| 02:13.57 | cpenguin_home | But those SanDisk POS things have a IC in them that pretends its a FAT filesystem |
| 02:14.43 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:16.15 | file[bed] | cpenguin_home: test it, and see. |
| 02:26.46 | sorphin | hrm |
| 02:26.51 | sorphin | kergoth: yo |
| 02:28.34 | sorphin | this damn thing only has LA and NY for Us timeszones.. wtf |
| 03:16.22 | sorphin | oh brother |
| 03:16.33 | sorphin | now amazon wants the 2 click shopping cart patent |
| 03:17.21 | Lethal | sorphin, now someone just needs to get the 3 click, and wait for the time they can sue amazon :P |
| 03:18.13 | sorphin | ;) |
| 03:25.22 | cpenguin_home | I want the N clicks + 1 patent |
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| 03:37.29 | MonMotha | BZFlag: is there anything that can be done about the wiki on tuxscreen.net not working 50% of the time? |
| 03:42.34 | cpenguin_home | brb - new kernel |
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| 03:58.23 | cpenguin_home | Heh - it works |
| 04:00.40 | cpenguin_home | pny USB CF adapter |
| 04:08.47 | cpenguin_home | 19.99 at worst buy |
| 04:09.58 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:10.26 | cpenguin_home | I also picked up a PCMCIA adapter |
| 04:10.50 | cpenguin_home | Can't have enough CF toys, thats what I always say... :) |
| 04:12.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:16.33 | kergoth | hey |
| 04:22.05 | sorphin | kergoth: allo |
| 04:27.09 | kergoth | sorphin: hows the Z? |
| 04:27.51 | sorphin | apparently the liion battery charges quick, but the damn nicad takes atleast 24-30 hours |
| 04:28.01 | sorphin | their timezone crap is stupid |
| 04:28.16 | kergoth | yea it is |
| 04:29.10 | sorphin | heh, lovely |
| 04:29.16 | sorphin | have to have a cf card to flash the thing |
| 04:30.56 | kergoth | unless you're font of dd'ing the os out from underneith it over a network or serial connection :P |
| 04:31.00 | cpenguin_home | ha-ha! |
| 04:31.09 | kergoth | considering theres no way to interface with the angel |
| 04:31.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:31.38 | kergoth | s/font/fond/ |
| 04:32.22 | sorphin | that didn't make much sense ;) |
| 04:32.59 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:33.42 | sorphin | dding the os out from under it? |
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| 04:42.58 | sorphin | kergoth: i did note there's a dim spot in the upper right because of the end of the light (damn flourecent bulbs :P ) |
| 04:43.03 | kergoth | sorphin: yes. you can use dd to overwrite the flash with new software. the mtd driver used by default is read only, you'd have to dd to /dev/mem at the right address directly.. therefore writing the operating system out from under itself. |
| 04:43.08 | sorphin | duno why they didn't use a diff setup |
| 04:43.25 | sorphin | ah |
| 04:43.41 | kergoth | sorphin: course you'd likely want to copy dd and libc and any other dependent libs onto a ramdisk and run it from there, then itd probably be safe |
| 04:44.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:45.41 | sorphin | kergoth: is yours like mine w/ the dim in the upper right corner bit ? |
| 04:46.22 | kergoth | sorphin: yeah, the light isnt lit equally across the display, its just the flourescent on the one side.. |
| 04:47.04 | cpenguin_home | dammit - where is that mkext2 code with the device table support |
| 04:47.06 | sorphin | the bulb isn't "long" enough.. w/ all the new stuff out.. still dunno why they'd use this |
| 04:47.21 | sorphin | kergoth: hope it lasts longer than most florecents ;) |
| 04:47.27 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:48.36 | cpenguin_home | uhh.... what happend to genext2fs? |
| 04:49.11 | sorphin | kergoth: any way to xfer stuff to it w/o windows ? |
| 04:49.24 | kergoth | ibot: howtos |
| 04:49.26 | | howtos is, like, at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 04:49.30 | kergoth | sorphin: rtfm |
| 04:49.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:50.14 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:50.28 | sorphin | ~fishslap kergoth for being a rtfm digiwhore |
| 04:50.33 | | ACTION slaps kergoth up side the head with a wet fish for being a rtfm digiwhore |
| 04:50.36 | kergoth | ibot: emulate kergoth |
| 04:50.38 | | ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM. |
| 04:50.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:50.51 | cpenguin_home | nothing wrong with that |
| 04:52.48 | cpenguin_home | ibot: genext2fs |
| 04:52.50 | | bugger all, i dunno, cpenguin_home |
| 04:52.58 | cpenguin_home | ibot: bastards! |
| 04:53.00 | | cpenguin_home: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 04:56.46 | sorphin | eesh microdrives are pricey |
| 05:21.42 | sorphin | kergoth: btw.. |
| 05:21.52 | sorphin | openzaurus.org is having some sort of DB error now |
| 05:21.58 | sorphin | when it redirects to news |
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| 05:48.06 | MonMotha | ibot webpal |
| 05:48.08 | | i heard webpal is a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 06:08.05 | cpenguin_home | andersee: you around? |
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| 06:18.23 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: you here |
| 06:22.54 | cpenguin_home | nm |
| 06:22.56 | cpenguin_home | figured it out |
| 06:23.09 | cpenguin_home | later bed now |
| 06:26.58 | BZFlag | MonMotha: replace it with one like bzflag.org or elinux.org? |
| 06:27.21 | BZFlag | I've had SF look into it and they did not help much. |
| 06:27.50 | BZFlag | I don't know what the issue is. it started flaking out last summer when SF did an upgrade on the servers. |
| 06:28.11 | BZFlag | I've installed the same code locally, but not seen the problem. |
| 06:28.34 | MonMotha | BZFlag: odd |
| 06:32.04 | BZFlag | MonMotha: truely. |
| 06:32.14 | MonMotha | This sfWiki's database has returned an error, " 2003: (database.inc/24) Can't connect to MySQL server on 'mysql' (111)Guessing database down or site.inc misconfigured. ". |
| 06:32.19 | MonMotha | well, that's a problem I've not seen before |
| 06:32.24 | BZFlag | You like the elinux.org wiki? |
| 06:32.25 | MonMotha | normally I just get partial pages |
| 06:32.41 | MonMotha | haven't used it much |
| 06:32.51 | MonMotha | I've used phpWiki quite a bit and can get along with it quite nicelyu |
| 06:33.06 | BZFlag | I just got the entry page from http://TuxScreen.net/ |
| 06:33.22 | BZFlag | what does php use fo ra backend? |
| 06:33.32 | MonMotha | I think text files... |
| 06:33.33 | MonMotha | not sure |
| 06:33.43 | MonMotha | I didn't set it up |
| 06:33.57 | BZFlag | moinmoin (elinux) uses files. I run a cronjob to back them up to a group writable file. |
| 06:34.26 | MonMotha | good god... |
| 06:34.28 | BZFlag | every now and then some fool runs a "rm -rf /" cgi script on SF and wipes out the whole wiki. |
| 06:34.31 | MonMotha | sourceforge is down AGAIN? |
| 06:34.55 | MonMotha | that has got to be the most unreliable web site I've *ever* seen |
| 06:35.02 | MonMotha | (sure makes me want to buy their product...) |
| 06:35.56 | BZFlag | heh |
| 06:36.13 | MonMotha | all I wanted to do was look at the mailing list archives :) |
| 06:37.18 | BZFlag | google cache perhaps? |
| 06:38.06 | MonMotha | or doesn't someone else also archive the mailing lists? |
| 06:38.08 | MonMotha | metacrawler? |
| 06:38.40 | MonMotha | er geocrawler |
| 06:39.20 | BZFlag | geocrawler used to, not sure if it happens anymore. I think SF wanted to own all that. |
| 06:40.09 | BZFlag | http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/10346/2002/ |
| 06:40.34 | BZFlag | I really hate geocrawler's web interface. |
| 06:41.02 | BZFlag | no next or next-thread interface? ugh. |
| 06:42.51 | MonMotha | yeah, it's really bad |
| 06:42.57 | MonMotha | and they don't have any archives from december |
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| 07:03.03 | jacques | BZFlag: i totally agree on geocrawler's interface |
| 07:03.05 | jacques | i HATE it |
| 07:03.23 | jacques | it's designed to display the most ad impressions per visit |
| 07:03.35 | jacques | usability was not a consideration |
| 07:14.54 | jacques | lol, reading backlog - don't get me started on SF |
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| 15:02.54 | TomW | morning all. |
| 15:04.42 | sorphin | lo |
| 15:05.14 | TomW | just doing my exercises on the net, limbering up the fingers for the day. ;) |
| 15:05.31 | TomW | getting the old wrist moving with the mouse. |
| 15:05.34 | prpplague | TomW: lo |
| 15:05.55 | TomW | prpplague: one more machine to go, then I can tinker with webpal. |
| 15:06.01 | prpplague | ~tomw#/bin/rm -rf * |
| 15:06.13 | TomW | prpplague: format C: |
| 15:06.16 | prpplague | TomW: thank kind of practice? |
| 15:06.27 | TomW | windoze N(ot) T(oday) |
| 15:06.44 | prpplague | winblows Xtra Poop |
| 15:06.49 | sorphin | prpplague: "you have been infecting with the filePOS virus, your HDD is now being melted" |
| 15:07.42 | sorphin | yes, i intentionally said infecting (gotta slip some engrish in since most come from that side of the world :P well, atleast all the codered crap i get does, as well as the ftp hits, etc |
| 15:07.57 | TomW | Right now, I am struggling with getting WinNT to authenticate into samba so the WinNT username/password pair can be used to access network shares on the Linux box. |
| 15:08.28 | prpplague | TomW: ohh fun |
| 15:08.33 | TomW | So far, the sucker gives the username, but no password when authenticating into samba. |
| 15:09.18 | TomW | I don't know if I need samba to be a "domain controller" or "WINS", since I have no fscking clue as to what those thingys are. |
| 15:10.08 | TomW | Maybe, I should look into having samba be the password server for the WinNT box (gina?). |
| 15:11.02 | TomW | That is what a "domain controller" does, isn't it? Control the authentication of users for WinNT domains? |
| 15:11.57 | TomW | don't all answer once! heh |
| 15:12.04 | TomW | lol |
| 15:12.11 | TomW | who cares, right? |
| 15:12.32 | TomW | prpplague: anyway, that is today's "brick wall". |
| 15:13.26 | TomW | prpplague: sorphin says that you have been playing with adding 32/128 Meg DRAM to the webpal? |
| 15:23.23 | prpplague | TomW: ya tinkering |
| 15:23.36 | kergoth | morning |
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| 15:49.19 | prpplague | TomW: i've got some 32 and 64's that seem to work on the board, however i've not gotten a chance to load linux so i have no idea what size is being read |
| 15:51.59 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning everybody! |
| 15:52.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 15:54.53 | TomW | prpplague: I would expect that the 32M devices will work okay, if they are 4K refresh (12x10 organization), if they are 8K refresh then they won't work unless the electronics are modified. |
| 15:56.18 | TomW | prpplague: we could use larger devices (64M, 128M) as long as they are 4K refresh and some mods to the electronics are performed to make the additional memeory appear on another bank (use another RAS line to drive the additional bank). |
| 15:58.00 | prpplague | TomW: ya all the ones i have a 4k refresh |
| 15:58.09 | prpplague | TomW: (according to datasheets) |
| 15:59.01 | prpplague | TomW: the 32mb sims are dual sided 16mb sims |
| 16:00.02 | TomW | prpplague: I wasn't aware that 64M / 128M devices were available in the 72 pin simm? |
| 16:01.24 | TomW | prpplague: I see that pricewatch.com has some FPM 64M devices available, that is the max ramsize that the PS7500FE will accept per bank. |
| 16:01.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:02.11 | TomW | $71 for two simms |
| 16:02.24 | TomW | they don't specify the refresh rate. |
| 16:02.33 | sorphin | i think 32 will be fine |
| 16:02.46 | sorphin | and it can use double bank like prpplague has |
| 16:03.09 | prpplague | TomW: according to the datasheet on this simm it is a 16x32 chip and i have single and double sided versions of the simm |
| 16:03.23 | sorphin | TomW: need you to doublecheck my "work" on which pins make A12 so we can use 4k |
| 16:03.43 | prpplague | TomW: there were some better deals on pulls |
| 16:03.47 | TomW | Oh, there you go: 64Meg 4K refresh FPM SIMM for $11, $14.75 with shipping. |
| 16:03.48 | prpplague | TomW: i'll get the url |
| 16:04.02 | TomW | prpplague: no, the pulls were more expensive! |
| 16:04.16 | TomW | 64Meg 4K refresh FPM SIMM for $11, $14.75 with shipping. |
| 16:04.27 | prpplague | TomW: ohh? i thought that was pulls |
| 16:04.50 | TomW | prpplague: no, look at the "not exactly new" link. Those are pulls. |
| 16:05.14 | prpplague | TomW: ahh, i was doing a google search |
| 16:05.25 | sorphin | i don't care what's new as long as it works :P |
| 16:05.34 | TomW | sorphin: :) |
| 16:05.54 | sorphin | TomW: need a pointer to the jedec 72 pin sheet? |
| 16:05.57 | prpplague | sorphin: sounds like my attitude towards women these days |
| 16:05.59 | TomW | sorphin: trust in you to get to the real meat of the problem. |
| 16:06.12 | TomW | prpplague: ditto |
| 16:06.44 | TomW | prpplague: waitress, whatever, "get to work, honey" |
| 16:07.16 | TomW | sorphin: what is file doing sleeping on this channel? |
| 16:07.26 | sorphin | TomW: i dunno.. i ignore file |
| 16:07.45 | file[bed] | I'm watching "The Sum of All Fears" |
| 16:08.19 | prpplague | file[bed]: seeing martha stewart in a thong, aka "the sum of all fears" ? |
| 16:08.29 | file[bed] | prpplague: oh no... UGH |
| 16:09.00 | TomW | file: reminds me that I have to get to a book shop today and pick up a Clancy novel for a friend. He didn't know that Tom Clancy wrote novels, he thought that he was only some screenwriter. :-/ |
| 16:09.12 | file[bed] | TomW: hehe |
| 16:09.19 | TomW | file: really |
| 16:09.53 | TomW | file: he is ex-military and an avid reader, I don't understand how he could have missed Clancy. |
| 16:10.27 | prpplague | TomW: ya asked a friend if he'd seen any of michael chritons movies, "i thought he just wrote for ER" |
| 16:10.30 | TomW | file: I just finished "The Bear and the Dragon", good read! |
| 16:10.39 | TomW | prpplague: LOL |
| 16:11.01 | ade|desk | any good places to get ram for tuxs ? |
| 16:11.07 | TomW | oh, ye of little vision... |
| 16:11.18 | TomW | s/little/narrow/ |
| 16:11.38 | TomW | ade|desk: Coast-to-Coast Memory |
| 16:12.04 | TomW | ade|desk: specify you want 4k refresh, it is a special order for them, else they will give you 8K refresh. |
| 16:13.37 | ade|desk | ok ta |
| 16:15.06 | ade|desk | oh bugger that .. international orders are a right faff |
| 16:15.27 | file[bed] | ade|desk: curse those filthy Americans eh? |
| 16:15.31 | TomW | ade|desk: where you located? |
| 16:15.35 | ade|desk | uk |
| 16:16.01 | TomW | ade|desk: 'tis ok, we like those English'ers. |
| 16:16.23 | ade|desk | ? |
| 16:16.29 | TomW | ade|desk: we haven't had a war with them in ... over a hundred years, mate. :D |
| 16:17.38 | ade|desk | well the last time we lost a war on home ground was back in 1066. |
| 16:17.42 | TomW | ade|desk: I really don't know why we don't already have some kind of free trade agreement with the UK, do you have to pay Custom Duties on stuff from the U.S.? |
| 16:17.52 | ade|desk | yes |
| 16:17.55 | TomW | ouch |
| 16:18.19 | ade|desk | it cost me 19 squids just to get the tux into the uk |
| 16:18.37 | ade|desk | i swear why make it up for each item as they go |
| 16:18.39 | prpplague | squids or quid? |
| 16:18.56 | ade|desk | squids == quid == pounds sterling |
| 16:19.09 | prpplague | ahh, learn somethine new everday |
| 16:19.27 | prpplague | ade|desk: not heard squids before |
| 16:19.40 | ade|desk | where you ffrom ? |
| 16:19.43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: they've got more names for their money then we do |
| 16:19.44 | prpplague | texas |
| 16:19.47 | TomW | ade|desk: that is quite a Custom charge, what, 20% ? |
| 16:19.53 | ade|desk | yup |
| 16:20.05 | TomW | ade|desk: I'm in Pennsylvania (U.S.) |
| 16:20.20 | prpplague | ade|desk: hows the job market in the UK for IT stuff? |
| 16:20.30 | ade|desk | poor |
| 16:20.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT6349714451.html |
| 16:20.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you see that? |
| 16:20.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sounds like a call for the hack kit |
| 16:21.04 | ade|desk | short term contracts are all there is , and few of them atm |
| 16:21.15 | prpplague | hmmm |
| 16:21.19 | ade|desk | bloody US economy |
| 16:21.36 | prpplague | ade|desk: now now, no swearing, lol |
| 16:21.52 | ade|desk | sort it out please |
| 16:21.55 | TomW | prpplague: C++ is now considered a "High Level Language"? |
| 16:22.02 | prpplague | ade|desk: jk |
| 16:22.56 | prpplague | TomW: hmm, i would consider it a reasonably high level |
| 16:23.07 | ade|desk | would someone in US hit bush/ Fed Res guys into shape please |
| 16:23.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that sounds exactly like a call for the hackkit |
| 16:23.38 | prpplague | TomW: you dis-agree? |
| 16:23.51 | TomW | ade|desk: naw, cannot do that, we have too many "greedy bastards" raping cash out of large corporations right now... :( |
| 16:23.53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its time to take over the world |
| 16:23.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm gonna get an email writen up to this guy, see if i can get in with him |
| 16:24.05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: good call |
| 16:24.20 | prpplague | TomW: i.e. the company i work for? |
| 16:24.22 | TomW | prpplague: never was a favorite of mine, I do extremely little (none) C++ programming. |
| 16:24.32 | ade|desk | TomW :lol |
| 16:24.46 | TomW | prpplague: If I had to, I could muddle through it, with a book. |
| 16:25.10 | prpplague | TomW: agreed C++(other than FLTK) is not my favorite to use |
| 16:25.37 | TomW | ade|desk: isn't that the new American Way? If you can't make the money, steal it! |
| 16:25.55 | ade|desk | or go to war |
| 16:26.00 | CosmicPenguin | The problem is, people try to shoehorn C++ everywhere (like they do with most languages) |
| 16:26.11 | CosmicPenguin | IMHO, its C++ that makes FLTK the superior solution |
| 16:26.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm getting pretty excited about the kit, lots of good press going on right now |
| 16:26.26 | CosmicPenguin | But I wouldn't write Microwindows in C++, for example |
| 16:26.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats awesome |
| 16:26.38 | TomW | ade|desk: I don't know if you read the Dilbert comic strip, but that strip is right on the mark when describing the Corporate Mentality. |
| 16:26.46 | *** join/#elinux sjhill (~NOYB@207-191-210-241.cpe.ats.mcleodusa.net) |
| 16:26.52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Any time I can help, I'm ready, willing and able (and pixilated!) |
| 16:26.55 | ade|desk | indeed |
| 16:26.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm hoping after the first 100 i can place a larger order and drop the cost much more |
| 16:27.57 | sjhill | hurray |
| 16:28.14 | ade|desk | sjhill: whats up ? |
| 16:28.35 | ade|desk | i or i2 ? |
| 16:29.05 | sjhill | ade|desk: i |
| 16:29.05 | sjhill | i have 3 of them |
| 16:29.14 | ade|desk | sjhill :r3k ? |
| 16:29.22 | sjhill | ade|desk: yes, (1) r3k and (2) r4k |
| 16:29.38 | sjhill | the r3k was fine, both r4k's needed new batteries |
| 16:30.01 | ade|desk | sjhill: do you use a EB machine to compile EL bits? |
| 16:30.12 | ade|desk | if so how ? |
| 16:30.29 | sjhill | nope, haven't done that |
| 16:30.34 | sjhill | shouldn't be difficult though |
| 16:30.40 | sjhill | didn't i give you the toolchain stuff? |
| 16:31.03 | ade|desk | is it on your ftp ? |
| 16:31.09 | sjhill | yes |
| 16:31.29 | ade|desk | ok ta will go get it .. what connection do you have ? |
| 16:31.39 | ade|desk | dont want to rape it |
| 16:31.49 | sjhill | i have dual T1's |
| 16:31.53 | sjhill | ftp://ftp.realitydiluted.com/linux/MIPS/toolchains |
| 16:31.55 | sjhill | go for it |
| 16:32.04 | sjhill | use the uclibc ones |
| 16:32.08 | sjhill | my glibc ones are out of date |
| 16:34.41 | sorphin | ade|desk: damn pommies ;) |
| 16:35.00 | ade|desk | typical cant connect to the only uni machine that allows ftp thru firewall ..grrr |
| 16:35.16 | ade|desk | its lost the home mounts |
| 16:35.36 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I thought you said damn pornies.... I was wondering what you had against pr0n.. :) |
| 16:35.38 | sorphin | ade|desk: you expected better at exeter? ;) |
| 16:35.51 | ade|desk | sorphin: haven't been called a pomm in years |
| 16:35.56 | ade|desk | sorphin: yes |
| 16:35.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nope.. pommies |
| 16:36.12 | sorphin | ade|desk: ;) |
| 16:36.33 | ade|desk | cd /clustertmp/scratch/ |
| 16:36.42 | ade|desk | whoops wrong window |
| 16:36.45 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:37.48 | prpplague | kergoth: ha one of our SCO boxes got r00t'd |
| 16:37.57 | sorphin | prpplague: serves it right |
| 16:37.57 | prpplague | kergoth: came through the calendar server |
| 16:38.36 | kergoth | prpplague: haha, doh |
| 16:38.46 | sorphin | coo |
| 16:38.55 | sorphin | buy.com actually used fedex gnd.. rock on |
| 16:39.11 | sorphin | and it'll show up monday |
| 16:39.12 | sorphin | nice |
| 16:39.32 | sorphin | order yesterday, get it monday.. not bad for xmas rush |
| 16:44.09 | CosmicPenguin | Fedex is on the ball... :) |
| 16:47.17 | ade|desk | ex.ac.uk support --> |
| 16:47.26 | ade|desk | (16:50:09) dave: what do you think has happened? |
| 16:47.26 | ade|desk | (16:50:46) ade: disk has gone out to lunch with bob geldorf |
| 16:47.26 | ade|desk | (16:51:12) dave: or to be more exact?. . . |
| 16:47.26 | ade|desk | (16:51:17) ade: its gone |
| 16:47.26 | ade|desk | (16:51:38) ade: UX:ls: ERROR: Cannot access .: I/O error |
| 16:47.27 | ade|desk | (16:51:40) dave: do you know what was on it? (I don't know much about hebe) |
| 16:47.29 | ade|desk | (16:51:54) ade: everyone user idr |
| 16:47.31 | ade|desk | (16:51:58) dave: ahha |
| 16:47.33 | ade|desk | (16:51:59) ade: dir even |
| 16:47.34 | ade|desk | (16:52:11) dave: brb - going to the server room to check it's raid array. . . |
| 16:48.00 | file | ade: lol |
| 16:48.28 | ade|desk | (16:54:23) dave: it's not looking good |
| 16:48.28 | ade|desk | (16:54:34) dave: the raid controler has a red light... |
| 16:48.37 | file | lol |
| 16:48.46 | ade|desk | fantastic |
| 16:48.54 | prpplague | ade|desk: loud buzzing noise? lol |
| 16:49.11 | kergoth | prpplague: i *hate* that sound |
| 16:49.18 | kergoth | prpplague: the raid controller "oh shit!" sound |
| 16:49.28 | ade|desk | lol |
| 16:49.36 | file | I like my old CD-Rom drive, whenever it would read certain CDs it would make a loud screeching sound |
| 16:49.36 | ade|desk | (16:54:34) dave: the raid controler has a red light... |
| 16:49.36 | ade|desk | (16:54:34) ade: whats happend? |
| 16:49.36 | ade|desk | (16:54:43) ade: oh shit |
| 16:49.56 | ade|desk | (16:56:11) dave: I don't know exactly, I'm kinda drunk after an its staff party, so you're going to be lucky to get it up before monday, and if it doesn't happen by then, it'll be out till the 2nd |
| 16:50.13 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:50.25 | file | ade|desk: wow... lol |
| 16:51.14 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.28 | CosmicPenguin | Whats that reference? |
| 16:52.16 | ade|desk | i always take the piss using his name .. sorry |
| 16:53.02 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, I thought it was an obscure movie reference - I like obscure movie references |
| 16:53.21 | ade|desk | no sorry |
| 16:53.57 | ade|desk | oh christ the admin doesn't even know what ef0 is |
| 16:54.42 | sjhill | Queens of the Stone Age |
| 16:54.53 | sjhill | a cross between ac/dc and punk |
| 16:59.08 | ade|desk | one of the O200 has gone tits up |
| 17:04.30 | prpplague | ade|desk: and they probably make 5x more money :( |
| 17:05.21 | ade|desk | since i am a non working student : ITS staff earn way way way way more than me |
| 17:05.41 | CosmicPenguin | Thats alot of ways... :) |
| 17:06.17 | ade|desk | guess i should have put an infinite amount of ways in really |
| 17:06.23 | prpplague | ade|desk: just send them an invoice afterwards, if they pay it, good, if not, your not out anything |
| 17:06.43 | ade|desk | lol not a bad idea |
| 17:07.33 | ade|desk | and the ITS response to the problem ... |
| 17:07.36 | ade|desk | (17:13:14) dave: oh well I'm off home now - c ya in the new year :-) |
| 17:08.59 | ade|desk | my fscking final project is on that machine ... how the hell do i right it up over christmas if the machine is dead as a dodo |
| 17:09.14 | ade|desk | s/right/write |
| 17:10.08 | prpplague | ade|desk: doh |
| 17:10.27 | ade|desk | > cd |
| 17:10.27 | ade|desk | cd: Can't change to home directory. |
| 17:10.27 | ade|desk | > pwd |
| 17:10.27 | ade|desk | UX:pwd: ERROR: Cannot determine current directory |
| 17:11.05 | file | ade|desk: go to their location and demand access to fix it? |
| 17:11.06 | file | :) |
| 17:11.25 | ade|desk | all gone home for xmas |
| 17:11.43 | file | break your way in |
| 17:11.48 | ade|desk | and no way i'm i going to break in ... too many cameras |
| 17:12.39 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:12.44 | prpplague | sjhill: no longer smokin crack eh? |
| 17:12.51 | sjhill | heh, nope :) |
| 17:12.56 | sorphin | riiiight |
| 17:13.13 | sjhill | the best i ever did was to score the password file for 500 accounts |
| 17:13.17 | sorphin | all a buncha crack whores (female cracks that is ;) ) |
| 17:13.22 | prpplague | sjhill: is that before or after you worked at broadcom? |
| 17:13.27 | sjhill | before |
| 17:13.45 | sjhill | i called up the isp and explained to them what i did and how to lock things down |
| 17:13.57 | prpplague | sjhill: ahh well i'm still cursing broadcom, we can get those damm 802.11b cards sent back |
| 17:14.06 | sjhill | i did it from an anonymous location....the admin was pissed, but it was his own fault |
| 17:14.32 | sjhill | prpplague: yeah, that major sucks |
| 17:14.52 | prpplague | sjhill: i sniffed the local home depot's 802.11b about a year ago |
| 17:14.58 | prpplague | sjhill: that was pretty fun |
| 17:15.15 | file | prpplague: what'cha find? |
| 17:15.35 | prpplague | i'll never tell |
| 17:15.51 | file | prpplague: ahhhhhhh |
| 17:16.22 | prpplague | kergoth: did you get an email from deb about her being out of the office? |
| 17:16.31 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah |
| 17:16.59 | prpplague | kergoth: i sent her back - "no, never, get back to work digi slave!" |
| 17:17.17 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:18.25 | sorphin | damn digi employees, all of em |
| 17:19.21 | sorphin | kergoth: that Z keyboard is cute, but will take some adapting |
| 17:20.34 | kergoth | sorphin: yeah, it does. the thumb typing takes a bit of getting used to. works nice though |
| 17:21.00 | prpplague | i actually find it very comfortable |
| 17:21.13 | prpplague | the only i don't like is the shift isn't sticky |
| 17:21.15 | sorphin | prpplague: well, we heard you're used to small things |
| 17:21.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:21.24 | sorphin | take it to the nudie bar |
| 17:21.24 | prpplague | sorphin: ha ha fun |
| 17:21.30 | sorphin | it'll be sticky after that |
| 17:21.31 | sorphin | :P |
| 17:21.37 | prpplague | sorphin: doh |
| 17:22.00 | prpplague | kergoth: are they planning any changes for the shift key? |
| 17:22.21 | sorphin | go look at the 5600 :P |
| 17:22.36 | prpplague | kergoth: you did say you are working on moving to input layer for the keyboard right? |
| 17:22.53 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm familiar with the 5600 as well as the c700 |
| 17:23.40 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:24.00 | sorphin | i dunno if i like how the 5600 will be set up |
| 17:24.08 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 17:24.14 | sorphin | less ram |
| 17:24.21 | sorphin | more flash, but totally protected |
| 17:24.25 | prpplague | sorphin: ohh |
| 17:25.04 | sorphin | 96MB Total |
| 17:25.04 | sorphin | 32MB SDRAM |
| 17:25.05 | sorphin | 64MB Protected Flash - secure memory for storing PIM info and applications. |
| 17:26.28 | sorphin | or is that actually better than current? (i.e. if the "backup battery" goes on the 5500, do you lose everything not in the original rom, or.. trying to figure the diff |
| 17:27.45 | prpplague | sorphin: depends on which rom version you are using |
| 17:27.53 | prpplague | sorphin: sharp yes, OZ no |
| 17:27.59 | sorphin | erm |
| 17:28.31 | prpplague | sorphin: the OZ build is far superior than the base sharp rom |
| 17:28.37 | sorphin | so if i'm using the sharp rom, i lose anything not in flash.. OZ i don't |
| 17:28.38 | sorphin | nod |
| 17:28.42 | prpplague | sorphin: the flexibility is great |
| 17:28.48 | prpplague | sorphin: yep |
| 17:29.13 | sorphin | do you -lose- anything from the sharp rom worthwhile? (other than things that are still todo) |
| 17:29.20 | prpplague | sorphin: we wonder on a daily basis why sharp doesn't snatch up kergoth to head their software team |
| 17:29.36 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah i'm just about done with the new keyboard driver here |
| 17:29.40 | sorphin | prpplague: they don't want a digiwhore? |
| 17:29.45 | kergoth | bah |
| 17:29.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:30.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that would be Lineo though... :) |
| 17:30.04 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: wanna move to Provo, Utah? |
| 17:30.29 | levi_ | Would anyone really /want/ to move there? |
| 17:30.31 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: whats in utah? |
| 17:30.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you mean motorola, lol |
| 17:30.38 | sorphin | levi: you said it before me ;) |
| 17:30.46 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: The company formally known as Lineo |
| 17:31.18 | sorphin | kergoth: bending over in front of the boss? |
| 17:31.30 | CosmicPenguin | Not to say anything bad about BZFlag and all, but Lineo *is* the company that thought it would be a good idea to lay off andersee |
| 17:31.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya, that was bright |
| 17:31.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and andersee is glad they did in the long run |
| 17:32.15 | sorphin | big biz does stupid things |
| 17:32.27 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, but what kind of intellegent company fires Einstein? |
| 17:32.49 | sorphin | andersee != einstein :P |
| 17:33.12 | sorphin | andersee == busyboxboy/ulibcmaker tho |
| 17:33.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: andersee is one of the top embedded engineers in the world, at this point though |
| 17:34.39 | sorphin | and he chooses to work for himself |
| 17:34.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: that he does |
| 17:41.30 | ade|desk | must say that was weird of lineo |
| 17:43.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: saw TTT last night, was absolutly incredible |
| 17:47.42 | *** join/#elinux as_ (as@modem-184.arbok.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 17:47.49 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 17:48.08 | prpplague | lo |
| 17:48.14 | as_ | prp :] |
| 17:48.17 | as_ | How goes? |
| 17:48.59 | prpplague | #dd if=/tmp/yesterday of=/dev/today |
| 17:50.17 | as_ | And unfortuntly very similar with linux. |
| 17:50.17 | prpplague | as_: sorry geek joke, "same stuff, different day" |
| 17:50.29 | as_ | Ahhh. |
| 17:50.46 | as_ | I guessed at 'same as everyother day'. |
| 17:57.27 | as_ | I still dont get the /tmp/ bit though, nm. |
| 18:29.08 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: wb |
| 18:29.28 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 18:29.30 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: question - does genext2fs handle > 8MB file systems yet? |
| 18:29.45 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: nope. And IMHO it never will. |
| 18:30.02 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: damn |
| 18:30.14 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I really hate being root to do an ext2 buildroot. Really, really bad |
| 18:30.38 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I plan to write a new tool (hopefully over christmas) to replace it using the libext2fs library |
| 18:30.50 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: how can I help? |
| 18:30.52 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: is cramfs instead :) |
| 18:31.26 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: You can _already_ do most everything needed using mke2fs and debugfs... |
| 18:31.31 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: yeah, I guess.... its for a CF though, and I would much rather have a filesystem I can traverse on my development system as well |
| 18:31.51 | Russ|werk | you can mount cramfs anywhere |
| 18:31.53 | Russ|werk | even loopback |
| 18:32.12 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: yeah, I know... but you know what I mean, right? :-) |
| 18:32.26 | Russ|werk | you mean make changes to? |
| 18:33.23 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: yeah, ocassionaly, I would want to do remote update or something fun like that. Also, I'm not sure if GRUB can handle cramfs |
| 18:33.46 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: it can with my patch |
| 18:33.47 | andersee | Russ|werk: BTW, did you ever send your cramfs patch upstream? |
| 18:34.01 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: you get a crc too |
| 18:34.10 | Russ|werk | andersee: yes, but the gnu people don't really care |
| 18:34.14 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: I might be interested in that..... send it to me? |
| 18:34.16 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: CosmicPenguin |
| 18:34.22 | | methinks cosmicpenguin is Jordan Crouse or mailto:jordan@cosmicpenguin.net, or "Man - If I had a dollar for every time somebody said the word "assload" while discussing my computer skills, I would be home free... " |
| 18:34.39 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 18:34.46 | Russ|werk | ibot: Russ|werk |
| 18:34.49 | | i heard russ|werk is chained to this nick, so you don't need to worry about that |
| 18:34.54 | Russ|werk | ibot: Russ |
| 18:34.56 | | it has been said that russ is on crack |
| 18:35.03 | Russ|werk | geee, thanks |
| 18:35.25 | andersee | ibot: andersee |
| 18:35.27 | | you are, like, Erik Andersen (mailto:andersen@codepoet.org) |
| 18:35.42 | sorphin | ibot: andersee is also on crack |
| 18:35.44 | | okay, sorphin |
| 18:35.50 | sorphin | ibot: andersee |
| 18:35.52 | | i guess andersee is Erik Andersen (mailto:andersen@codepoet.org), or on crack |
| 18:35.56 | sorphin | ;) |
| 18:36.16 | sorphin | hmm |
| 18:36.21 | sorphin | ibot: sorphin |
| 18:36.23 | | sorphin is sorphin. |
| 18:36.29 | andersee | ~lart sorphin |
| 18:36.29 | sorphin | ibot: botsnack |
| 18:36.29 | | :) |
| 18:37.24 | sorphin | ~fishslap andersee for being a busyboy |
| 18:37.28 | | ACTION slaps andersee up side the head with a wet fish for being a busyboy |
| 18:38.15 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: its really nice having the crc, I always check the crc in my flashing program before flashing |
| 18:38.41 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: did you mess with mkcramfs, or just blob? |
| 18:38.50 | andersee | ~lart sorphin |
| 18:38.58 | Russ|werk | mkcramfs adds a crc |
| 18:39.12 | Russ|werk | my application on my device that receives and flashes the image checks the crc |
| 18:39.23 | Russ|werk | (not blob) |
| 18:40.16 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: what if I want to use blob? |
| 18:40.22 | CosmicPenguin | As a boot loader |
| 18:40.36 | Russ|werk | blob has cramfs support as well |
| 18:40.52 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: I did not know that... now I have absolutely no reason not to use cramfs |
| 18:41.08 | Russ|werk | you don't like compression maybe? |
| 18:41.25 | CosmicPenguin | And for persistant storage, a seperate ext2 partition, which I hate doing, but what are you going to do? |
| 18:41.53 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: ok, send me your patches (or at least the URLs) and I'll play with it |
| 18:42.07 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: oh, yeah - I'm assuming that mkcramfs knows all about devices.txt? |
| 18:42.17 | Russ|werk | I don't have patches :( |
| 18:42.34 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: URLS then? |
| 18:42.35 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: I've sent the devices.txt stuff upstream, but I don't know if its applied yet |
| 18:42.46 | Russ|werk | the automake stuff in grub *really* sucks |
| 18:42.52 | Russ|werk | they put as much stuff on a line as possible |
| 18:43.18 | Russ|werk | so making any changes, makes a substantial diff, and tons of conflicts even a few days later |
| 18:43.54 | CosmicPenguin | Your search - mkcramfs devices.txt Russ - did not match any documents. |
| 18:43.58 | CosmicPenguin | Doh |
| 18:44.23 | Russ|werk | http://www.google.com/search?q=+mkcramfs+Russ |
| 18:44.40 | Russ|werk | I'm sending an email though |
| 18:47.21 | Russ|werk | to make diffing grub worse, they include autogenerate files in CVS |
| 18:47.22 | Russ|werk | ... |
| 18:53.13 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: http:///codepoet.org/cramfs.patch |
| 18:54.22 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: sweet |
| 18:56.37 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Russ did most of the work. I worked it over somewhat further. |
| 18:57.11 | Russ|werk | andersee: what did you change? |
| 18:57.25 | andersee | I'm not sure that is right |
| 18:57.50 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: argh |
| 18:57.55 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Don't use that one |
| 19:00.02 | Russ|werk | andersee: you wouldn't mind just telling me rather than me diffing diffs |
| 19:01.23 | andersee | Russ|werk: I'm trying to remember. That diff I just posted was my first attempt -- doesn't work properly |
| 19:01.34 | andersee | Russ|werk: Ahh. Found the right one. |
| 19:01.59 | andersee | Russ|werk: I updated the device table parsing code, per current mkfs.jffs2 |
| 19:02.22 | andersee | Russ|werk: mainly just merging updates I'd added to the mtd tree |
| 19:05.58 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: you should have an email with 3 attachments, and some info on what to change |
| 19:15.40 | prpplague | Russ|werk: your boards showup ok? |
| 19:15.45 | Russ|werk | yup |
| 19:15.49 | Russ|werk | got it all assembled |
| 19:16.23 | prpplague | Russ|werk: oky doky |
| 19:16.36 | prpplague | Russ|werk: sorry for the long delay |
| 19:16.53 | prpplague | Russ|werk: blonde bimbos in shipping |
| 19:16.57 | Russ|werk | thats ok, I have received them |
| 19:17.04 | Russ|werk | no blonde hairs on the package though |
| 19:21.55 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: http://codepoet.org/patch.russ |
| 19:21.58 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: http://codepoet.org/patch.erik |
| 19:22.10 | andersee | Russ|werk: The above show my little changes |
| 19:22.22 | andersee | Russ|werk: Nothing too major |
| 19:22.50 | prpplague | Russ|werk: those boards look like what you wanted? |
| 19:23.38 | Russ|werk | yup |
| 19:23.40 | Russ|werk | perfect |
| 19:25.07 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ok good, glad some one could use them |
| 19:29.21 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: thanks |
| 19:29.29 | andersee | Russ|werk: here is my diff vs yours http://codepoet.org/patch.erik |
| 19:29.47 | file[bed] | patch here, patch there, patch everywhere |
| 19:31.08 | Russ|werk | thanks andersee |
| 19:32.30 | CosmicPenguin | xmas party time... :) |
| 19:35.37 | prpplague | Russ|werk: how hard is it to solder tssops by hand? |
| 19:37.33 | prpplague | interesting chip - http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/2956 |
| 19:40.47 | sorphin | prpplague: depends on the chip |
| 19:40.52 | sorphin | and the size of the tsop |
| 19:41.28 | prpplague | sorphin: need to use special soldering equipment? |
| 19:41.47 | sorphin | don't *have* to |
| 19:42.10 | sorphin | but you need a good pencil tip, flux, good eyes (magnification), and a steady hand |
| 19:44.51 | Russ|werk | prpplague: it depends... |
| 19:44.56 | Russ|werk | do you know what you are doing? |
| 19:45.04 | Russ|werk | I've watch people do it in under 5 seconds |
| 19:45.09 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:45.31 | Russ|werk | flux, and a wide tip iron |
| 19:45.41 | sorphin | Russ|werk: um... wide tip? |
| 19:45.46 | Russ|werk | ya |
| 19:45.55 | Russ|werk | you pour some flux on |
| 19:45.59 | Russ|werk | zip down one side |
| 19:46.04 | Russ|werk | zip down the other side |
| 19:46.10 | sorphin | zipping can be dangerous :P |
| 19:47.03 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'm pretty good with a nice fine tip soldering pencil |
| 19:47.35 | prpplague | Russ|werk: PWM signal? |
| 19:47.50 | Russ|werk | prpplague: I don't solder well, but if I wanted to, I would know where to go and learn..just sit and watch |
| 19:48.10 | Russ|werk | prpplague: you mean 'Early warning power-fail interrupt'? |
| 19:49.07 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'm looking at some lcd bias chips that are digitally controled, it says the settings can be controled with a PWM signal.... |
| 19:50.04 | Russ|werk | pulse width maybe? |
| 19:50.18 | sorphin | pulse width modulation |
| 19:51.10 | prpplague | ahh thats it |
| 19:54.12 | Russ|werk | thanks andersee |
| 19:55.51 | prpplague | sooooo much to learn, so little time, so few brain cells left |
| 19:56.18 | sorphin | prpplague: need |
| 19:56.20 | sorphin | prpplague: more |
| 19:56.26 | sorphin | prpplague: beer |
| 19:56.29 | prpplague | amen |
| 19:57.23 | sorphin | <homer> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer... <homer's drooling sound> </homer> |
| 19:57.58 | Russ|werk | ~/<homer> when I was 17, I bought my very first beer... |
| 19:58.01 | sorphin | kergoth: actually, i think it's "need more beer, and need less wife, amen" |
| 19:58.07 | kergoth | sorphin: hah, good point |
| 19:58.30 | sorphin | man |
| 19:58.44 | sorphin | i wish there was some decent local places instead of just comp useless |
| 19:58.52 | sorphin | i have having to ship everything |
| 19:58.58 | sorphin | and it taking 3 years to get here |
| 19:59.10 | sorphin | because it costs 3x as much local |
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| 20:01.35 | prpplague | "dear God, we thank you so much, for on my plate is a juicy steer, we are greatfull, that we also have beer, amen" |
| 20:01.52 | sorphin | noe drr |
| 20:01.55 | sorphin | now see even |
| 20:01.57 | sorphin | this sucks |
| 20:02.11 | sorphin | compuseless has a 256M CF card for $91 |
| 20:02.16 | sorphin | pricewatch |
| 20:02.24 | sorphin | 68 |
| 20:04.41 | prpplague | sorphin: with worldcom discount card $291 |
| 20:04.48 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:04.53 | sorphin | whatever |
| 20:05.10 | sorphin | i prolly won't be associated w/ wcom after Jan |
| 20:05.41 | prpplague | i'm probably electrocute myself with this lcd bias stuff |
| 20:05.49 | prpplague | or let some magic smoke out |
| 20:05.53 | sorphin | serves you right :P |
| 20:05.57 | Russ|werk | sorphin: you don't have a frys? |
| 20:06.10 | sorphin | Russ|werk: umm.. not in MO, no.. |
| 20:06.27 | Russ|werk | sorphin: or some nice local oem that nobody but computer stores know about? |
| 20:06.34 | sorphin | nope |
| 20:06.45 | Russ|werk | sorphin: you ever order from newegg.com or mwave.com? |
| 20:06.51 | sorphin | yes |
| 20:06.58 | sorphin | that's where i got my athlon MB |
| 20:07.06 | sorphin | from newegg |
| 20:07.10 | Russ|werk | is it to cold in MO for computer stores to survive? |
| 20:07.20 | sorphin | no |
| 20:09.25 | kergoth | Russ|werk: throw a #include <linux/slab.h> in backlight_input.c |
| 20:10.17 | prpplague | kergoth: still working on the bl/fl stuff |
| 20:10.35 | kergoth | prpplague: working on other things atm actually |
| 20:10.36 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm reading up on how to build the lcd powersupply stuff now |
| 20:10.41 | kergoth | prpplague: ah cool |
| 20:10.48 | Russ|werk | prpplague: fun, maxim-ic documents? |
| 20:11.23 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya |
| 20:12.04 | prpplague | Russ|werk: the lcd bias voltage seems pretty easy, but i'm having problems finding some info on ccfl backlight stuff |
| 20:14.09 | prpplague | Russ|werk: there are some off the sheld inverters but all i can find is 12v inputs |
| 20:14.17 | prpplague | Russ|werk: not good for portable |
| 20:15.30 | Russ|werk | I would think maxim would have that stuff |
| 20:16.03 | prpplague | Russ|werk: they do, but the docs seem a little vague |
| 20:16.18 | prpplague | Russ|werk: read - "i have no idea what they mean" |
| 20:17.01 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i've got some of these http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm?qv_pk=1166 |
| 20:17.22 | prpplague | Russ|werk: as well as some of these http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/1163 |
| 20:19.39 | Russ|werk | the PWM now makes sense |
| 20:19.55 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya after i started reading about it |
| 20:20.04 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i like the DAC control better |
| 20:20.15 | prpplague | Russ|werk: could hook that to a GPIO fairly easily |
| 20:20.41 | Russ|werk | you could always follow the heard and copy assabet |
| 20:21.54 | Russ|werk | I like the typical operating circuit of the 749 better... |
| 20:22.37 | prpplague | Russ|werk: agreed, but it doesn't do anything for the ccfl |
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| 20:25.19 | prpplague | BZFlag: yo! xCTO! |
| 20:26.27 | sorphin | i hate credit cards |
| 20:27.35 | file[bed] | no new mail... oh joy |
| 20:31.03 | Russ|werk | interesting... 24.161.64.48 seems to respond to any connections with an auth attempt |
| 20:33.03 | file[bed] | Russ|werk: mmm Road Runner... |
| 20:35.31 | Russ|werk | interesting music... |
| 20:41.01 | Russ|werk | gnea.net is the same way |
| 20:41.52 | sorphin | eh? |
| 20:50.32 | prpplague | crap i can't seem to find a 5v inverter |
| 20:59.04 | sorphin | doh :P |
| 21:02.40 | prpplague | Russ|werk: does the assabet ship with a lcd? |
| 21:08.04 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: try rikers.org? I think my tcpd is setup to try auth on connections. |
| 21:09.40 | sorphin | Russ|werk: destroying their phones even more? |
| 21:10.35 | BZFlag | er not |
| 21:18.30 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 21:23.42 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i don't see on the assabet schematics that a inverter is on the board |
| 21:24.04 | prpplague | BZFlag: you a place to get 5v ccfl inverters? |
| 21:24.12 | prpplague | s/you/you know |
| 21:24.19 | BZFlag | nope. |
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| 21:57.55 | sorphin | ugh, or maybe i won't |
| 21:58.04 | sorphin | the damn CPU costs 699.95 |
| 21:59.42 | fontenot | more than a p4 3GHz |
| 22:00.42 | sorphin | yeah, and it's only 1ghz |
| 22:04.26 | prpplague | sorphin: lack for howto's for newbies on lcd stuff is driving me nuts |
| 22:04.47 | sorphin | prpplague: didn't we just go through this a few weeks back? |
| 22:05.05 | BZFlag | well, we hit it, but we didn't go through it. ;-) |
| 22:05.44 | sorphin | ~fishslap bzflag for being a smartass |
| 22:05.50 | | ACTION slaps bzflag up side the head with a wet fish for being a smartass |
| 22:06.46 | sorphin | ok you CF addicts |
| 22:06.56 | sorphin | what would you say is a good price for a 256M cf card |
| 22:07.06 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well, just because i got one lcd working doesn't mean i totally understand it |
| 22:07.17 | prpplague | sorphin: $5 |
| 22:07.18 | Russ|werk | sorphin: $67 |
| 22:07.33 | sorphin | prpplague: ok you cheap ho |
| 22:09.16 | sorphin | any of you zaurus ppl bother w/ screen protectors? |
| 22:09.19 | Russ|werk | sorphin: just realize, you can buy them *new* for $67 |
| 22:09.29 | sorphin | Russ|werk: these are new |
| 22:09.49 | sorphin | i generally buy new unless the price is overkill |
| 22:10.01 | Russ|werk | they are also going for more than $67 |
| 22:10.15 | sorphin | Russ|werk: umm.. not the ones i'm looking at |
| 22:10.21 | sorphin | 256MB COMPACTFLASH 25X Compact Flash CARD *2 |
| 22:10.21 | sorphin | $62.00 |
| 22:10.29 | sorphin | 256MB COMPACTFLASH 25X Compact Flash CARD *3 |
| 22:10.29 | sorphin | $51.00 |
| 22:11.29 | sorphin | prolly gonna buy a few.. 3 or 4 |
| 22:15.22 | Russ|werk | where do you see these? |
| 22:15.53 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1946358203 |
| 22:15.55 | sorphin | for example |
| 22:16.00 | Russ|werk | I see |
| 22:16.03 | sorphin | that guy is selling al lthe ones i'm watching |
| 22:16.09 | Russ|werk | I would expect them to jump towards the end |
| 22:16.19 | sorphin | we'll see i guess |
| 22:16.29 | sorphin | i expected the zaurus to jump |
| 22:16.33 | sorphin | but i got it |
| 22:16.47 | Russ|werk | but how many people were bidding? |
| 22:16.57 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:17.04 | sorphin | enough |
| 22:17.08 | sorphin | i sniped |
| 22:17.09 | sorphin | :P |
| 22:18.10 | Russ|werk | http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?ht=1&query=256MB+compactflash&SortProperty=MetaEndSort |
| 22:18.12 | Russ|werk | observe |
| 22:18.25 | sorphin | so? |
| 22:19.06 | sorphin | the guy that i got my zaurus from, was selling 3, they all were jumpy, but i managed to sneak in and get mine at 275 |
| 22:19.29 | sorphin | past auctions is a good indicator, but can't always predict the future :) |
| 22:19.53 | Russ|werk | its a commodity |
| 22:20.23 | sorphin | nod... |
| 22:20.31 | sorphin | so is some of the other stuff i've bought before |
| 22:20.42 | Russ|werk | at least the shipping is only $6.90 |
| 22:20.45 | sorphin | just gotta catch the right auction |
| 22:23.13 | BZFlag | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?sku=I226-3004%20P |
| 22:23.34 | sorphin | Russ|werk: newegg wants 81 for that same CF i'm watching |
| 22:23.43 | BZFlag | if you want non-ebay... |
| 22:24.04 | sorphin | BZFlag: all i want is cheap :) doesn't matter where |
| 22:25.08 | sorphin | whats w/ the speed ratings? 8x-12x the ones i' mwatching are 24x.. sound like a damn cd/dvd drive :P |
| 22:29.38 | BZFlag | http://store.yahoo.com/digi4me/25commemcart.html $68 |
| 22:30.15 | sorphin | ah yeah, digime.. i was looking at their usb pendrives the otehr day |
| 22:30.18 | Russ|werk | sorphin: mwave wants $67 |
| 22:30.36 | BZFlag | free shipping? |
| 22:31.56 | Russ|werk | no |
| 22:32.15 | sorphin | free shipping is a Good Thing (tm) |
| 22:37.29 | sorphin | ya know.. CF is an interesting thing in the sense.. things are called CF whatever cards, even if it's not flash.. heh |
| 22:38.11 | sorphin | ok, easy Q here.. |
| 22:38.26 | sorphin | CF or mmc prefered? (if you can do both, i.e. w/ the Z) |
| 22:38.47 | prpplague | sorphin: technicaly all CF card are handled as memory devices |
| 22:38.56 | Russ|werk | I think smartmedia is nifty |
| 22:39.26 | sorphin | hmm |
| 22:39.28 | sorphin | wait a sec |
| 22:39.40 | BZFlag | and the ones that are flash are called memory cards my most folk. |
| 22:40.10 | sorphin | so.... i could use the smartmedia cards i have floating around for my olympus ? |
| 22:40.33 | Russ|werk | sorphin: use them for what? |
| 22:40.41 | BZFlag | sorphin: on the Z I'd recommend mmc cause it keeps the cf free for network cards etc. |
| 22:40.55 | prpplague | sorphin: same here |
| 22:41.01 | sorphin | well |
| 22:41.23 | sorphin | if i can use my smartmedia cards (i.e. they are "mmc"s), that's a good thing :) |
| 22:42.31 | sorphin | is a smartmedia card == an mmc card that can work in the Z ? |
| 22:42.34 | sorphin | yes or no |
| 22:42.41 | Russ|werk | not that I know of |
| 22:42.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:42.55 | Russ|werk | I just think they are nifty because they are so small |
| 22:43.02 | sorphin | Russ|werk: bah :P |
| 22:45.19 | sorphin | hmmm |
| 22:45.26 | sorphin | sure looks a lot like my smartmedia cards |
| 22:46.00 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hey, i need to pick your brain on lcd stuff |
| 22:46.21 | sorphin | Step 1: Beer |
| 22:46.31 | sorphin | Step 2: More Beer |
| 22:46.36 | prpplague | sorphin: eat dirt, you can't fault someone for trying to learn |
| 22:46.46 | sorphin | Step 3-12: Repeat steps 1 and 2 |
| 22:46.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:47.01 | sorphin | and here i was making the program fun :P |
| 22:47.16 | BZFlag | no SM will not work on the Z |
| 22:47.21 | sorphin | and i was kidding for fscks sake |
| 22:47.25 | sorphin | BZFlag: k |
| 22:47.26 | prpplague | sorphin: ya ya |
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| 22:48.16 | prpplague | doh |
| 22:49.01 | prpplague | its all fun and games till someones feelings get hurt :( |
| 22:50.43 | Russ|werk | prpplague: what did you need? |
| 22:50.54 | prpplague | Russ|werk: make sure i have this logic right |
| 22:51.07 | prpplague | Russ|werk: Vdd=+5v |
| 22:51.14 | prpplague | Russ|werk: Vss=0v |
| 22:51.46 | prpplague | Russ|werk: Vdd-Vee=+15v |
| 22:51.56 | prpplague | Russ|werk: so Vee=-10v right? |
| 22:52.00 | Russ|werk | yes |
| 22:52.52 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ok, still learning |
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| 23:34.34 | prpplague | later guys |
| 23:34.40 | prpplague | be back in tomorrow |