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19:23.03 | jvc | Are you a detergent representative salesman? |
19:23.38 | CosmicPenguin | uhhh |
19:23.42 | CosmicPenguin | no? |
19:25.12 | jvc | Only monosyllabes!? Anybody speaking about Linux cross compilers? |
19:25.38 | CosmicPenguin | sure - what do you want to talk about? |
19:27.10 | jvc | I'm a beginner. I've experience with OS-9. Now I tried to get gcc for MC68360. |
19:27.43 | CosmicPenguin | What type of processor is that? |
19:28.24 | jvc | Motorola 32/16 bit microcontroller for embedded systems. |
19:30.49 | jvc | Have you tried Linux embeded kernels? |
19:32.17 | CosmicPenguin | lots |
19:32.28 | CosmicPenguin | What instruction set does that processor use? |
19:32.47 | jvc | Motorola 680XX |
19:33.00 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh...68k.... |
19:33.04 | jvc | OK |
19:33.13 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - Yeah, I know that processor |
19:34.02 | CosmicPenguin | well, the compiler is 68k-gcc.... |
19:34.07 | jvc | Six comm ports integrated comm processor. Very versatile and low consum |
19:34.24 | CosmicPenguin | You can proably download it from several places, or you can always build it yourself from the source |
19:34.47 | jvc | I tried to compile gcc for 68k-coff. Ufff! |
19:34.52 | CosmicPenguin | Didn't work? |
19:36.14 | jvc | I compiled It from source. Compilation was very buggy, Installation even more. |
19:37.17 | jvc | I found some hacks in the net, bu I think coff is very hard. |
19:38.21 | jvc | Can you recommend a kernel/libraries for gcc? |
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20:34.06 | prpplague | BZFlag: does lineo distribute the ARM ARM with their dev kit |
21:05.04 | BZFlag | don't think so, no. |
21:05.12 | BZFlag | I've got a PDF though. ;-) |
21:05.55 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya as i do i, but i was just thinking about my new board |
22:56.44 | kergoth | heh |
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22:59.10 | TomW | hmmm? |
22:59.17 | CosmicPenguin | hello |
22:59.28 | TomW | What was that "voice" stuff about? |
22:59.34 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno..... :) |
22:59.39 | BZFlag | heh. just /me being obnoxious |
22:59.48 | TomW | heh |
22:59.55 | kergoth | heh |
23:00.09 | TomW | I want my webpal toy, NOW! Waaahhh! |
23:00.24 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: its gonna be a while... :) |
23:00.24 | Lethal | tlb flushing on mmuless sh rocks ;P |
23:00.28 | BZFlag | I figure since we talk about much more that the tuxscreen these says, it's time for a more generic channel name. |
23:00.40 | BZFlag | anyone know ho many they have left? |
23:00.41 | TomW | I cleaned this place out 3 months ago, so I have room for more junk. |
23:00.48 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: first we need to make those serial adapters |
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23:01.54 | kergoth | webpal? somebody url me |
23:01.55 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I have 100 RS232 --> RS485 blank PCBs. They use the SOP version of the MAX232A chip, we don't need to mount the RS485 chips to use them with TTL. |
23:02.25 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: what does that mean in english? |
23:02.53 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, its shiny? |
23:02.55 | BZFlag | ~webpal |
23:02.56 | | methinks webpal is a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/ |
23:03.06 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: the boards measure 35mm x 30mm and are meant to be soldered onto DB25 connectors. |
23:03.24 | Russ|werk | so...no more #tuxscreen/ |
23:03.27 | Russ|werk | ? |
23:03.45 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: well, just a migration. feel free to talk tuxscreen stuff here too. |
23:03.52 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I already have RS232 boards that we can use. I over ordered PCBs on a recent project, we can use those. |
23:04.09 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: how many? |
23:04.43 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: The MAX232A chip can be hand soldered onto the PCB with a little care, no big deal. I didn't use the TSSOP (really fine leads) when I did the board. |
23:04.57 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I have over 100 left that won't be needed. |
23:05.03 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm...... |
23:05.14 | BZFlag | I have a hw question. anyone know where to order tsop-56 sockets? I have a device here with one on it and another customer that's interested in ordering 10 or so. |
23:05.17 | TomW | I needed 100 boards and ordered 240 by mistake. |
23:05.29 | CosmicPenguin | 4pcb.com can make the schematic from the URL for $99 bucks a board (4 per board) |
23:05.38 | prpplague | hmm, isn't there an already made ttl-to-232 board available? |
23:05.43 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: am I right about saying that? |
23:05.56 | TomW | BZFlag: that(!) will be EXPENSIVE!!! Figure on a few hundred dollars for a TSSOP ZIF socket. |
23:06.36 | CosmicPenguin | heh.... |
23:06.58 | TomW | BZFlag: I had a similar interest, TQFP ZIFF, but changed my mind when I saw the price. IIRC, Digikey had some. |
23:07.39 | BZFlag | should not be an issue, this is just to bootstrap the first few boards. |
23:07.50 | BZFlag | source? |
23:08.03 | BZFlag | oh, digikey... /me goes to look |
23:08.25 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: ? |
23:08.31 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: make the schematic from the URL? |
23:08.40 | CosmicPenguin | Those boards from 4pcb.com will be about $99 bucks a piece, right? |
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23:09.05 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: for a 10x14 panel, it would be $33 from what I can tell |
23:09.05 | CosmicPenguin | s/schematic/pcb/ |
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23:09.17 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: if I want them to score them, it would be an additional $50 from what I can tell |
23:09.39 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: oh, yeah... thats right - I figured $99 for 3 boards x 4 per board |
23:10.09 | TomW | Russ|werk: I just got an order from 4pcb.com where I had the boards scored into panels of 16 boards. I was very pleased with how it came out! |
23:10.19 | Russ|werk | oh no, a 10x14 panel will mean *alot* of board |
23:10.26 | Russ|werk | TomW: how much did it cost to do the scoring? |
23:10.58 | TomW | Russ|werk: $100 for 16 panels. |
23:11.16 | Russ|werk | wait, I'm confused |
23:11.24 | Russ|werk | you did 16 panels, and each panel had 16 boards? |
23:11.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is the board pretty standard ttl-2-232? |
23:11.35 | TomW | total of 224 boards on the order |
23:12.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I dunno..... heres the URL: http://webpal.bigbrd.com/rs232.html |
23:12.18 | Russ|werk | TomW: and each panel cost? and the scoring of all the panels, they charged you $100 |
23:12.24 | TomW | what was that ... 14 panels each having 16 boards per panel, it was 224 board for the order, plus one panel as overage |
23:12.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: damit, i can't find my bookmark, i had bookmarked a page with just this item already made for like $15 |
23:13.31 | prpplague | http://www.al-williams.com/rs1.htm |
23:14.17 | BZFlag | TomW: can't find a tsop56 version. they have the one on the needham programmer board, but I'm looking for a bare socket. hopefully a cheaper version. |
23:14.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the other one has 10 pins, this one has 6 pins... is there any difference? |
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23:14.54 | jacques | oooh |
23:14.59 | TomW | Russ|werk: I did have these boards done as "production" boards, not as protos so I would have the UL cert on the material. 240 boards cost a total of $702, delivered. |
23:15.03 | jacques | all the stuff I'm interested in |
23:15.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably for addition control lines |
23:15.06 | TomW | jacques: hi |
23:15.11 | jacques | hi TomW :-) |
23:15.19 | prpplague | TomW: did you look at that rs-1 unit? |
23:16.18 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Well, if the prices that Russ|werk got are right, we can make the schematics for way cheap, and the components are only about 3 dollars or so |
23:16.30 | TomW | Russ|werk: cost breakdown: 240 boards (35mm x 30mm) == $463.20, NRE tooling == $199.00, Shipping == $40.00 |
23:16.49 | TomW | prpplague: rs-1? |
23:16.53 | prpplague | http://www.al-williams.com/rs1.htm |
23:18.19 | TomW | prpplague: looks okay, I already have a TTL --> RS232 solution that I can toss together quickly. |
23:18.52 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: so, how much? |
23:18.52 | prpplague | TomW: is that assembled? |
23:19.04 | TomW | Russ|werk: you pay shipping (paypal) and I'll send a few. |
23:19.25 | TomW | prpplague: nope, ya gots to solder something on it. |
23:21.10 | TomW | prpplague: MAX232ACSE, digikey part number: MAX232ACSE-ND, plus 5 0.1uf caps in the 1206 SMT package (the big ones). |
23:21.27 | TomW | prpplague: easy to do and parts are at DigiKey. |
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23:22.43 | TomW | am i back? |
23:22.54 | prpplague | TomW: yep |
23:23.03 | BZFlag | http://www.xeltek-cn.com/photo/pages/TSOP56_jpg.htm <- that's the large one like on the emp30 |
23:23.09 | prpplague | TomW: is that a dip package for the max chip? |
23:23.15 | TomW | ok, I see that if I connect to TuxScreen, I lose everthing. |
23:23.18 | CosmicPenguin | 5 dollars? |
23:24.00 | TomW | prpplague: naw, it is not the 0.100" package, it is the 0.050" package. BUT, it is not the TSSOP which is the 0.020 package. |
23:24.20 | Russ|werk | TomW: don't know where I'd use them |
23:24.26 | prpplague | TomW: ahh |
23:24.51 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: You know, for $5, I should really send them 1st class mail. |
23:24.56 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.jameco.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/Jameco/searchResult.d2w/report?sort=BKW&search=24811&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 |
23:25.05 | CosmicPenguin | Is that the same IC? |
23:25.14 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: I meant, the IC was 5 bucks at Digikey |
23:26.15 | prpplague | TomW: you use 4pcb alot? |
23:26.40 | TomW | prpplague: exclusively, they do really nice work! |
23:27.33 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: $5.51 at DigiKey. |
23:28.01 | prpplague | TomW: you use linux pcb tools? |
23:28.07 | CosmicPenguin | That Jameco one seems to be the same (or damn similar) |
23:28.52 | BZFlag | TomW: ok, I stopped being mean. ;-) |
23:29.01 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: No, that JameCo chip is the one that needs the 1ufd caps, it is not the 'A' version which uses the 0.1ufd caps. It could be used though, if you substitude the cap values. They do have 1ufd caps in the 1206 package. |
23:29.17 | TomW | prpplague: Eagle under Linux. |
23:29.32 | prpplague | TomW: wine or vms? |
23:29.42 | TomW | prpplague: native |
23:30.01 | prpplague | TomW: oh ya? i didn't know that eagle was available for linux |
23:30.09 | TomW | Eagle runs as a native Linux app, no VMware, wine, or other emulator needed. |
23:30.39 | TomW | prpplague: that is why I purchased Eagle, well, it is considerably cheaper than OrCad... |
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23:31.03 | TomW | sssh! Erik is here. |
23:31.30 | prpplague | TomW: professional version i assume? |
23:31.39 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: I'm stupid for all this stuff.... I'm the kind of person that needs a definate shoping list and complete instructions to do even the least of hardware work |
23:32.24 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
23:32.25 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Thats ok. I use an acetylene torch when soldering. |
23:32.37 | TomW | prpplague: I paid $400 per module: schematic, layout and an autorouter. You can do without the autorouter. |
23:32.48 | TomW | andersee: ow! |
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23:55.57 | kergoth | some ass |
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23:56.02 | kergoth | calls me 10 minutes before we close |
23:56.12 | kergoth | with this scsi terminal server in fucking IRIX problem |
23:56.50 | sorphin | wwww.surpluscomputers.com |
23:56.52 | sorphin | erm |
23:56.53 | sorphin | -w |
23:57.01 | sorphin | you can find it on the right side of the page |
23:57.03 | sorphin | down a ways |
23:57.18 | sorphin | you might not get it before xmas now ;p |
23:57.24 | ade|Zzz | anyone want to buy me 2 and then ship to UK ? |
23:57.33 | sorphin | ordered after after 3pm PST |
23:57.40 | sorphin | isn't guaranteed before xmas |
23:57.51 | sorphin | ade|Zzz: i think kergoth is the only remaining orderer |
23:57.54 | kergoth | whew |
23:57.56 | kergoth | got him off the phone |
23:58.04 | Russ|werk | $94 for a 20G 15krpm scsi drive |
23:58.15 | ade|Zzz | kergoth can you add 2 to your order ? |
23:58.54 | kergoth | oh this place? |
23:59.01 | kergoth | this is the place i was going to buy those beasts from |
23:59.02 | kergoth | heh |
23:59.14 | ade|desk | will paypal the money to you asap |
23:59.19 | ade|desk | :) |
23:59.37 | sorphin | kergoth: yup |
23:59.42 | sorphin | kergoth: same place |
23:59.49 | sorphin | and they still hve those beasts ;) |