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| 07:41.21 | Mirell | What's a good RFID reader to buy these days... |
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| 10:29.55 | ohsix | anyone here have a wikireader? how does it handle equations in articles with math notation? i really wanna get one, but that's basically what i'd use it for |
| 10:36.34 | ohsix | oh sweet, they added them spring 2010; too bad all the press fell off, you can get one for 15$ now |
| 10:51.13 | av500 | wikireader is the followup project of the openmoko guys |
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| 13:11.25 | T0mW | Morning gents |
| 13:13.21 | Mirell | Morning. |
| 13:13.33 | Mirell | So, RFID reader, anyone played around with one that's good? |
| 13:19.23 | prpplague | T0mW: hey ol' bud |
| 13:19.32 | prpplague | T0mW: you burried yet? |
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| 13:37.29 | T0mW | prp^2: naw, still ticking. |
| 13:37.44 | prp^2 | hehe |
| 13:37.57 | prp^2 | T0mW: sorry i meant married |
| 13:38.24 | T0mW | prp^2: almost, only $356 left on lay-away. |
| 13:39.08 | prp^2 | ahh |
| 13:39.29 | prp^2 | T0mW: didn't know they had lay-away for wives |
| 13:39.48 | T0mW | prp^2: LOL! Goto Nevada and say that. |
| 13:39.56 | prp^2 | hehe |
| 13:40.06 | T0mW | prp^2: don't they still have mail-order there? |
| 13:41.07 | T0mW | prp^2: I was playing around with the table saw yesterday. Built a jig to cut stiles and rails for making cabinet doors. |
| 13:41.14 | prp^2 | nice |
| 13:41.19 | prp^2 | heads to the office, bbiab |
| 13:41.27 | T0mW | prp^2: cul |
| 14:09.51 | g1powermac | T0mW, nice, I need to get a table saw that could do that, right now, the one I have is good if the blade turns ;-) |
| 14:13.59 | T0mW | g1powermac: yeah, I bought a used saw cheap, $60. The guy showed my his new saw, big wide iron top, etc. After using this saw for a year, I'm now trying to do fine work with it and can see why he got rid of it. |
| 14:14.58 | T0mW | g1powermac: little things, like the rail for the miter guage is an odd size, and it is too far away from the throat to use for a tenon jig... |
| 14:15.50 | T0mW | g1powermac: you cannot make a zero clearance insert for the throat because there is no ledge on the one side to accept a 1/4" insert. |
| 14:18.19 | T0mW | g1powermac: I built a jig yesterday from these plans, simple and it does work: http://www.woodmagazine.com/woodworking-plans/tablesaw/shop-made-tablesaw-tenoning-jig/ |
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| 14:37.16 | av500 | T0mW: I do everything with a biscuit joiner :) |
| 14:40.15 | av500 | but that jig looks nice |
| 14:46.24 | T0mW | av500: my joiner is from harbor frieght, wouldn't want to demand too much from it. heh. |
| 14:48.08 | av500 | T0mW: mine was cheap too, I doubled the price by bying a proper saw blade for it |
| 14:48.11 | T0mW | I used a 4" clamp instead of the quick release thing. Modified it somewhat as I needed to use 24" long melamine shelving for the peice that slides against the fence. |
| 14:48.52 | T0mW | table is a bit small for that jig they show. |
| 14:49.16 | av500 | there is always http://www.destaco.com/ for you |
| 14:49.48 | T0mW | :P yeah |
| 14:50.33 | av500 | my wife is a cabinet maker, but she let's me do all the woodworking |
| 14:51.40 | T0mW | 2 months before I met my gf, she sold a bunch of nice woodworking stuff from previous marriage. <sigh> Nice saw, 6" jointer, surface plane... |
| 14:52.17 | av500 | aw |
| 14:52.34 | T0mW | Her ex had all nice tools and couldn't do anything with them. Me, I got junk and build cabinets. |
| 14:52.42 | T0mW | go figure. |
| 14:53.57 | av500 | for saw I have a festo+guide rails |
| 14:54.03 | av500 | festool these days |
| 14:58.00 | T0mW | I got a 10" skillsaw, basically it is a contractor saw. Then I got the folding table stand which gives me a decent fence and a 26" wide cutoff. |
| 14:59.07 | T0mW | I've got to put together an outfeed table to hang on it. Cutting out panels is clumsy without it and I've base cabinets yet to build. |
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| 15:16.04 | g1powermac | T0mW, yea, the one I have was a $99 lowe's special, the entire body of it is plastic, minus the top cutting surface |
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| 15:22.26 | av500 | T0mW: I found I can do most of the panels by a mix of ordering the cuts at the wood seller for a small fee and the small stuff with the guide rail |
| 15:22.54 | av500 | and I dont do fancy stuff like tenons :) |
| 15:31.09 | g1powermac | prefers to do large projects rather than fine woodworking |
| 15:31.34 | g1powermac | built a larger 4'x6' arbor the other day to grow grape vines |
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| 16:35.20 | sunrunner20 | System drive on my desktop is failing. Its just as expensive to buy a new HDD than to upgrade to a SSD |
| 16:36.56 | av500 | neww HDD is $100 for 1TB |
| 16:37.19 | sunrunner20 | $150 |
| 16:39.48 | sunrunner20 | ah, found a 100 tb |
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| 16:45.07 | av500 | I'm buying the 24/7 rated 1TB seagates for ~100€ here |
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| 16:45.21 | av500 | of course that did not stop one of them of failing after a year... |
| 16:47.25 | slashbeast | landley: Yo, any news? |
| 16:52.59 | landley | slashbeast: I'm trying to get the new uCLibc to build, on the theory that might fix it since buildroot worked for you. |
| 16:53.16 | landley | Alas, it's triggering a bug in busybox having to do with tar option parsing. Reported to the list this morning. |
| 16:53.58 | slashbeast | landley: I found a solution to the patch's issue File name too long |
| 16:54.02 | landley | Once my package versions are up to date, if the problem persists then I'll try digging into the specifics. |
| 16:54.05 | landley | slashbeast: oh? |
| 16:54.09 | landley | is all ears... |
| 16:54.11 | slashbeast | landley: after appending TMP and TMPDIR to TEMP variable (anti-sanitize) it seems to work |
| 16:54.19 | slashbeast | mine /tmp is noexec, maybe thats the issue |
| 16:54.29 | landley | Sigh. |
| 16:54.37 | landley | TMP _and_ TMPDIR? |
| 16:54.47 | slashbeast | hm now it just works |
| 16:54.52 | slashbeast | no idea what I did, wait. |
| 16:55.00 | landley | build/host is in your $PATH. |
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| 16:55.13 | landley | ONce you've built host-tools it uses them. |
| 16:55.22 | landley | And the busybox patch won't have this problem. |
| 16:56.07 | sunrunner20 | av500: i've had good luck with WD's FALS model |
| 16:56.22 | landley | slashbeast: try deleting sources/patches/busybox-patch.patch (which you shouldn't need to build the base system). |
| 16:56.45 | landley | If "rm -rf build && ./build.sh i686" then works otherwise unmodified, that might be a fix. |
| 17:13.29 | slashbeast | landley: I tried on fresh 1.1.1 from tarball, after I added TMPDIR to TEMP in sources/utility_functions.sh the patch applies cleanly |
| 17:14.26 | slashbeast | landley: but now even if I remove it it works, maybe the build script do something one-time. |
| 17:14.45 | slashbeast | landley: rm -rf build make the proper apear again |
| 17:15.40 | slashbeast | landley: 100% reproducable. |
| 17:17.06 | slashbeast | more fun, grsec: denied untrusted exec (due to file in world-writable directory) of /home/piotr/src/aboriginal/aboriginal-1.1.1/build/host-temp/distcc/configure |
| 17:17.13 | slashbeast | running paranoid-configured system is fun every day. |
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| 17:55.21 | landley | slashbeast: the build script populates build/host with busybox and a few other things, and then if that exists sources/include.sh changes the $PATH to point to that instead of the old $PATH before doing anything else. |
| 17:55.37 | landley | So to reproduce the problem, rm -rf build before re-running your build. |
| 17:56.11 | landley | slashbeast: I switch selinux and friends off. |
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| 17:57.17 | landley | I can add a thing to chmod 700 each temp directory if you really think it'll help, but is grsec saying that the dir is world-writeable, or that the path to the dir is world writeable? |
| 17:57.28 | landley | Because a world writeable subdir in a 700 directory isn't world writeable... |
| 17:58.07 | landley | I _think_ if you chmod before creating the subdirectory it won't even let you "cd dir; wait; cd newsubdir". |
| 17:58.23 | landley | But I'd have to look a lot closer to say anything definitive about that. |
| 17:58.31 | landley | There's a reason I made it so the build does not run as root, ever. |
| 17:59.54 | slashbeast | landley: the busybox host failing on patching it if I do not put TMPDIR in TEMP variable. Dont worry about the grsec, I can turn it off runtime |
| 18:01.04 | landley | slashbeast: if you remove the patch _to_busybox_, it should then be able to build busybox and use busybox patch from there on. |
| 18:01.21 | landley | It's TMPDIR specifically that needs to be passed through? Not TMP? |
| 18:01.31 | landley | If it's just one additional variable, easy thing to do is probably add it to the list. |
| 18:01.41 | slashbeast | landley: indeed TMPDIR |
| 18:02.45 | landley | Ok, I made a note about tmpdir. I"ll try to fix it when I get home. |
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| 18:29.25 | Mephisto | hello! I'm looking for some help on qt-embedded, if anyone uses its QWS I need some tips |
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| 18:39.15 | slashbeast | anyone know if there would be a good idea to autologin root on /dev/tty1? In the LXC enviroment. I wonder if you can from system somehow do soething nasty because there is root on tty1 already, like pipe something there? |
| 18:39.30 | slashbeast | dont like login: prompt after lxc-console. |
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| 18:58.34 | landley | slashbeast: you mean attach a root shell to /dev/tty1? Assuming your tty isn't snoopable and your host isn't compromised, it shouldn't hurt anything. |
| 18:58.45 | landley | If your tty is snoopable, you're kinda screwed anyway. Same with a compromised host. |
| 18:58.53 | landley | That said, lxc's security isn't entirely cooked yet... |
| 18:59.07 | landley | means to write an lxc variant for toybox, but probably not before the 1.0 release. |
| 18:59.28 | landley | I've got "unshare", but it needs tty and init behavior... |
| 18:59.31 | slashbeast | landley: well I consider lxc as a nice way to isolate network interface (like apps listen on 127.0.0.1 and cant touch apps iisten on it in other containers) |
| 18:59.43 | landley | Understood. |
| 19:00.07 | slashbeast | so I will replace agetty with auto-logged root, so lxc-console will hurt less |
| 19:00.11 | slashbeast | landley: thanks |
| 19:00.13 | landley | Althought technically I think that's just unshare NET_NS. |
| 19:00.47 | landley | I've always treated containers as "chroot on steroids". |
| 19:00.47 | landley | It's a pity lxc was designed by mainframe card whallopers. |
| 19:00.51 | slashbeast | because, in fact, it is chroot |
| 19:01.16 | slashbeast | sadly lxc does not seem to be ever able replace openvz |
| 19:01.29 | landley | What's missing? |
| 19:02.08 | slashbeast | landley: the root is root on the host thus you remove caps like net_admin or sys_mount |
| 19:02.17 | slashbeast | landley: because non-limited container can access host' |
| 19:02.24 | slashbeast | s block devices etc |
| 19:02.37 | landley | Are you on the containers mailing list? |
| 19:02.47 | slashbeast | Nope, there is any? |
| 19:03.07 | landley | https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/containers |
| 19:03.23 | slashbeast | atm my containers running on grsecurity, which have nice addons like limiting uevent_helper (from /sys) and sysrq_trigger (from /proc) to sys_admin so container can no longer exploit it |
| 19:03.31 | landley | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxc-devel |
| 19:03.41 | slashbeast | futher more, I run all the contianers *without* /sys even mounted. |
| 19:04.01 | landley | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxc-users |
| 19:04.29 | landley | When I was following it there was work queued up for selective hardware visiblity. |
| 19:04.38 | landley | Pixar wanted that, I believe. |
| 19:04.43 | slashbeast | landley: maybe you can anser me, do mailman support a something to force it to send me all the mails, before I was subscribed to list? |
| 19:04.59 | landley | They have a render job in each container, and each one has access to a PCIe video card to borrow its' GPU. |
| 19:05.01 | slashbeast | landley: there is, via cgroups, you can select which device nodes can be accessed/crated |
| 19:05.17 | landley | slashbeast: it does not, but you can sometimes download an mbox file with the historical stuff. |
| 19:05.26 | slashbeast | PITA |
| 19:05.49 | landley | scriptable. |
| 19:06.30 | slashbeast | I should unsubscirbe from some list I never really read, my workflow is like: select -> mark as read, done. |
| 19:07.14 | landley | Heh. The Linux FOundation's insane mailman is gzipping each month's mbox file _twice_. |
| 19:07.35 | landley | slashbeast: I just leave them in their folders with thousands of messages marked unread. |
| 19:07.51 | landley | I'm 144,500 messages behind on linux-kernel. |
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| 19:09.05 | slashbeast | landley: whats your editor of choice? If it is vim, can you show me your vimrc? |
| 19:14.03 | landley | slashbeast: I tend to use vim out of habit. |
| 19:14.31 | landley | On ubuntu 10.04 I mostly just ln -sf vimrc /etc/vim/vimrc.tiny |
| 19:14.39 | landley | I used to customize it more, but it was too much of a pain... |
| 19:14.50 | landley | Now I just undo Ubuntu's intentional sabotage. |
| 19:14.59 | slashbeast | lol |
| 19:15.17 | landley | Honestly, "can't cursor around in insert mode" can only be described as intentional sabotage. |
| 19:15.29 | landley | It worked in the 2008 release, stopped working later on. Guys: that's a regression. |
| 19:15.48 | landley | (Ubuntu is one of those bondage-and-discipline things that keeps trying to teach its users to do things its way. |
| 19:15.50 | slashbeast | did you saw the byobu in the ubuntu? A eye-fucking screen mutation |
| 19:15.52 | landley | Don't type vi, type vim. |
| 19:15.55 | slashbeast | enabled by default. |
| 19:15.58 | landley | I _fix_ it. |
| 19:16.07 | slashbeast | by disable-byobu? |
| 19:16.10 | landley | No, I use xubuntu. |
| 19:16.15 | landley | Gnome is an abomination. |
| 19:16.20 | landley | And kde died in 2008. |
| 19:16.39 | landley | (I liked kde3. Linus Torvalds left KDE rather than move to KDE 4. They should have taken that as a _hint_.) |
| 19:16.40 | slashbeast | the byobu is enabled by default in server variant which I am using on ec2 |
| 19:16.49 | landley | I have no idea what that is. |
| 19:16.58 | slashbeast | I never understood the kde hype |
| 19:16.59 | landley | A linux version of bonzi buddy? |
| 19:17.10 | landley | slashbeast: kde was nice about 7 years ago. |
| 19:17.11 | landley | Now it's not. |
| 19:17.15 | slashbeast | I was a long fluxbox user, now I use openbox and I am the happiest abuser on the planet. |
| 19:18.01 | landley | xfce is reasonable. |
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| 19:19.01 | slashbeast | well I reither use .xinitrc to setup some things than wonder why my mouse acceleration is so big or what happen to my keyboard rate |
| 19:19.32 | slashbeast | I used xfce4 few months, but with rox instaed of xfdesktp and thunar. |
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