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| 02:06.06 | prpplague | anyone know a good gtk+ channel? |
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| 06:54.43 | methril | morning |
| 06:54.43 | methril | yo |
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| 07:49.08 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
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| 14:07.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 14:08.40 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:14.40 | prpplague | greetings |
| 14:22.21 | prpplague | frowns |
| 14:22.31 | prpplague | something is wrong with my drivers poll function |
| 14:35.17 | prpplague | hmm my poll_wait() isn't waking up |
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| 14:44.50 | wmat | perhaps it's still tired, hahaha |
| 15:01.29 | CosmicPenguin | you should be ashamed of yourself |
| 15:01.52 | chouimat|work | why I found it funny :) |
| 15:02.02 | CosmicPenguin | exhibit 2 |
| 15:02.11 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 15:04.59 | chouimat|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.42 | g1powermac | chouimat|work, oh dear, that can't end well |
| 15:08.15 | chouimat|work | g1powermac it's the installer from hp for the printer I have to do my test |
| 15:08.31 | prpplague | crap |
| 15:08.35 | g1powermac | is going to attempt to install netbsd on an old mac classic II I got for $45 which included the shipping. . . |
| 15:08.40 | prpplague | poll_wait() never returns |
| 15:09.05 | g1powermac | I'd install linux, but I think its a bit too resource limited |
| 15:09.19 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it's what I call "waiting" |
| 15:09.51 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea, but it's suppose to return when i call wake_up_interruptible() |
| 15:11.18 | g1powermac | I think it'll make a really neat serial control box |
| 15:24.56 | prpplague | @#$@#$ not the data isn't even present |
| 15:34.11 | chouimat|work | g1powermac I went to see the windows drone here and even the CD download crap from the internet ... winbloat |
| 15:35.13 | g1powermac_PB | yeash |
| 15:36.08 | chouimat|work | g1powermac at least the linux "driver" for the hp deskjets is not that big :) |
| 15:37.03 | g1powermac_PB | heh, yup |
| 15:41.25 | Mr_Bonga | hi |
| 15:42.03 | Mr_Bonga | how could I know if I have link?? |
| 15:42.29 | Mr_Bonga | how can I query link status on arma with kernel 2.6 ?? |
| 16:19.21 | prpplague | Mr_Bonga: link status of what? |
| 16:20.09 | Mr_Bonga | eth0 prpplague |
| 16:20.58 | Mr_Bonga | now I am pooling the arm processor doing a dump byte of the register |
| 16:21.10 | prpplague | Mr_Bonga: not all network devices support proper reporting of link status, but in most cases you can just use ifconfig |
| 16:21.13 | kergoth`work | morning |
| 16:21.20 | prpplague | kergoth`work: greetings |
| 16:21.43 | kergoth`work | Mr_Bonga: if you have it, mii-tool is good for things like that |
| 16:21.50 | kergoth`work | clarson@foul ~% sudo mii-tool |
| 16:21.50 | kergoth`work | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 16:22.13 | kergoth`work | and if, of course, your nic's driver supports it :) |
| 16:23.50 | Mr_Bonga | but I am working on embedded system |
| 16:23.55 | Mr_Bonga | with montavista |
| 16:24.14 | Mr_Bonga | and it don't have miitool |
| 16:24.15 | Mr_Bonga | :( |
| 16:24.32 | kergoth`work | what version, of which product? |
| 16:24.38 | kergoth`work | pro, cge, mobilinux? |
| 16:25.56 | kergoth`work | the problem with ifconfig is it shows how the interface is configured, not whether or not the hardware has a link. the interface can be up when the cable is disconnected |
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| 16:31.07 | prpplague | hmm, i don't understand why glade doesn't support font controls |
| 16:32.23 | kergoth`work | i want to know why amazon recommends a kids game for the wii, because i bought a 3 handset cordless phone |
| 16:44.39 | Mr_Bonga | montavista linux |
| 16:44.58 | Mr_Bonga | montavista pro 4.0 :) |
| 16:46.04 | Mr_Bonga | but kergoth what you suggest ?? |
| 16:54.29 | prpplague | fltk's fluid is a far better package than glade, its so much easier to develop with fluid |
| 16:56.24 | CosmicPenguin | pukes |
| 16:56.28 | CosmicPenguin | FLTK, seriously clark? |
| 16:56.59 | kergoth`work | Mr_Bonga: if you truly need to know the link status, mii is the way to go. you could probably do it programmatically rather than using mii-tool, but mii-tool -is- available for pro 4.0, at least its in my 4.0 directory here.. maybe its just not in your root filesystem? |
| 16:57.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i didn't say fltk was better than gtk, just that fluid was a more robust platform for gui dev |
| 16:57.50 | prpplague | i still haven't figured out how to set the font size |
| 16:57.53 | prpplague | with gtk |
| 17:03.18 | Mr_Bonga | kergoth I will see |
| 17:05.12 | chouimat|work | kergoth`work: hi |
| 17:05.44 | Mr_Bonga | kergoth miit |
| 17:05.49 | kergoth`work | hey |
| 17:06.15 | kergoth`work | Mr_Bonga: of course, its hard to say what you should do without knowing what you're trying to accomplish, but thats the only way i know of to really get link status |
| 17:06.18 | kergoth`work | :) |
| 17:06.21 | Mr_Bonga | kergoth mii-tool its on my filesystem, but isn't on the embedded filesystem |
| 17:06.22 | Mr_Bonga | :\ |
| 17:06.57 | Mr_Bonga | I want to know link status only to control a led :D |
| 17:07.22 | kergoth`work | ah |
| 17:09.38 | kergoth`work | Mr_Bonga: http://www.karlstadunix.nu/~ullgren/books/book.chinaunix.net/special/ebook/oreilly/Understanding_Linux_Network_Internals/0596002556/understandlni-CHP-8-SECT-13.html may be useful |
| 17:10.04 | kergoth`work | (from a quick googling) |
| 17:11.00 | g1powermac | does anyone remember an fpga module made like the hammer? one thats shaped like a DIP chip? |
| 17:14.36 | prpplague | g1powermac: not like a dip package |
| 17:14.50 | prpplague | g1powermac: sparkfun has a nice fpga that is in a quad package |
| 17:15.01 | g1powermac | yea, I seen that one, its a bit too much for my needs |
| 17:15.17 | prpplague | wht is it soooooo hard to set the font size with gtk? |
| 17:15.41 | g1powermac | I could've sworn I remember a smaller module that had everything on it shaped like a DIP chip. . . |
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| 17:25.04 | prpplague | wow, font operations under gtk+ are terribly complicated |
| 17:25.19 | MothaWork | prpplague: s/font/\*/ |
| 17:25.38 | MothaWork | or simply s/font\ // |
| 17:26.41 | prpplague | MothaWork: i can't believe you have to specificy the font in the gtkrc file |
| 17:26.54 | prpplague | MothaWork: is there no other way to specify the font actually in the app? |
| 17:27.17 | MothaWork | prpplague: I have no idea. I just know that basically every single GTK/GLIB api is, well, bad |
| 17:27.21 | MothaWork | so that wouldn't surprise me |
| 17:27.34 | MothaWork | I try to avoid GUI programming in general, but especially the GTK "psuedo OO" stuff |
| 17:31.50 | prpplague | to me having to specify the font for each program is insane |
| 17:32.48 | MothaWork | I think you can use shell-style wildcard globs |
| 17:32.51 | prpplague | there has got to be a way to specify the font |
| 17:33.02 | MothaWork | in your gtkrc, that is |
| 17:33.24 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, but how do you handle something 5 different labels in an app that need to be 5 different sizes? |
| 17:33.29 | MothaWork | g1powermac: I've seen some hefty CPLDs on DIP compatible carrriers, but I don't think ever an FPGA |
| 17:33.41 | MothaWork | prpplague: I have no idea, but I'm sure it's doable since wxGTK does it |
| 17:34.01 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea well, there are no examples anywhere i can find |
| 17:35.03 | MothaWork | GTK seems remarkably poorly documented |
| 17:35.12 | MothaWork | we ended up using wxwidgets |
| 17:35.35 | MothaWork | we still run it on GTK, but the API is nicer, and it means that we can build demo prototypes that are interactive and run on Windows using the actual app code |
| 17:36.08 | MothaWork | everybody here seems to be of the opinion that, if licensing is not a concern, Qt is the way to go |
| 17:37.37 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, can't really go that way |
| 17:37.44 | MothaWork | understood |
| 17:37.45 | prpplague | MothaWork: wasn't my descision |
| 17:38.15 | MothaWork | same here. I think it may have ended up being cheaper (!!) to buy the darned Qt commercial developer seat than to futz around with the free toolkits, but whatever |
| 17:38.53 | MothaWork | but, the GUI app is "not my problem" |
| 17:39.26 | MothaWork | as for GTK, the only thing I can think of is to maybe see if you can get something like GLADE to generate code for you that does what you need |
| 17:39.47 | MothaWork | GTK seems to be very much a "use the source, luke" toolkit |
| 17:40.56 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: I did the test and it's actually cheaper to buy qt ... |
| 17:40.58 | prpplague | MothaWork: glade doesn't do anything with the fonts |
| 17:41.20 | MothaWork | prpplague: really? hum...ok |
| 17:41.34 | prpplague | MothaWork: atleast no options i can find anywhere |
| 17:41.35 | MothaWork | chouimat|work: that's the conclusion we seem to have also arrived at |
| 17:41.55 | MothaWork | chouimat|work: however, we have something functional in WxWidgets at this point, so we're continuing to use that |
| 17:43.11 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: I wrote something using gtkmm and libxml++ and it took me 5 weeks to get working, took me 2 days with Qt4 to get the same level of functionality and 2 other days to get all the application spec implemented |
| 17:43.58 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: and then the project got undefinitly postponed :( |
| 17:44.22 | prpplague | yea i could have already been done with this if i was using fltk |
| 17:45.06 | MothaWork | I wouldn't be surprised if we "seriously consider" just licensing Qt on future projects of this nature |
| 17:45.17 | MothaWork | the seats are NOT cheap, but if it saves you months of dev time, then it's worth it |
| 17:45.21 | MothaWork | kinda like my ECAD software |
| 17:45.29 | MothaWork | yes, I *could* do this in Eagle... |
| 17:46.02 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: but iirc you don't have any royalties to pay for each software/device you sell |
| 17:46.35 | prpplague | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk-faq/stable/x851.html |
| 17:46.42 | prpplague | no example though |
| 17:46.54 | MothaWork | chouimat|work: correct |
| 17:47.01 | MothaWork | it's just a per-developer license |
| 17:47.21 | MothaWork | though I think it does have mandatory "maintenance" |
| 17:48.29 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: went I got one a few years ago I didn't pay for the maintenance after the year was over ... no money for it |
| 17:48.36 | chouimat|work | s/went/when |
| 17:49.11 | MothaWork | chouimat|work: I seem to recall reading that while you could decline maintenance, your license to distribute stuff under non-GPL terms terminated if you did so |
| 17:49.21 | g1powermac | http://www.enterpoint.co.uk/component_replacements/craignell.html |
| 17:49.30 | g1powermac | now thats what I was looking for :-) |
| 17:49.45 | prpplague | thing is there are all these gtk apps, but i can't find anyone that is writting them |
| 17:50.21 | chouimat|work | prpplague: :) |
| 17:50.22 | CosmicPenguin | because nobody will admit to it |
| 17:50.47 | chouimat|work | prpplague: they use a) c++ gtkmm or b) mono :) |
| 17:50.50 | prpplague | hence the question, why is it being used so much on handhelds? |
| 17:51.35 | MothaWork | prpplague: licensing of Qt perhaps? |
| 17:51.41 | MothaWork | it's "free" |
| 17:51.49 | prpplague | so is fltk |
| 17:51.59 | MothaWork | true |
| 17:52.06 | MothaWork | but there's a perception that fltk is "ugly" |
| 17:52.22 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it seems that openmoko is switching to qtopia |
| 17:53.31 | CosmicPenguin | The FLTK internals are terrible |
| 17:53.35 | CosmicPenguin | terrible, terrible terrible |
| 17:55.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that may be the case, but atleast fltk is documented and robust enough to get the apps done |
| 18:03.16 | file | needs to try the Qtopia image on his Freerunner |
| 18:03.37 | chouimat|work | still wonders if he get one ... the greenphone is dying i think |
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| 18:03.42 | CosmicPenguin | Its popular to bash on GTK, and I do it often |
| 18:03.43 | chouimat|work | hey file |
| 18:03.48 | file | hola |
| 18:04.03 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: i know it's fun ... like bashing on MFC :) |
| 18:04.06 | CosmicPenguin | but there are so many GTK applications, that it must have some developer friendly features |
| 18:04.16 | CosmicPenguin | not everybody is putting themselves through pain for no reason |
| 18:23.23 | MothaWork | I think it may just be popularity and dogma |
| 18:23.30 | MothaWork | i.e. it's the most popular toolkit that is "free" |
| 18:28.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that was my thought |
| 18:29.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but i can seem to find anyway who is willing to admit having done any kind of gtk programming |
| 18:29.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still haven't figured out whats wrong with networkmanager |
| 18:31.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw, the problem with the gtk polling was actually in my driver |
| 18:31.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it wasn't doing the wait queue properly |
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| 18:48.01 | ds2 | Morning |
| 18:49.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: strange how no one knows the answers to the questions i ask |
| 18:51.00 | ds2 | ignorance is bliss and people do not like being non blissful ;) |
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| 19:00.48 | prpplague | so much to do so little time |
| 19:02.14 | kergoth`work | "The difference between a good student and a bad student is that a bad student forgets the material five minutes before the test, while a good student five minutes afterwards." |
| 19:11.00 | prpplague | kergoth`work: cute |
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| 21:14.11 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 21:15.14 | ds2 | anyone know off hand what's the max speed the UART + xtal combo on the hammer can do? |
| 21:15.25 | ds2 | 115200 or better? |
| 21:15.57 | prpplague | ds2: uart+xtal ?? |
| 21:16.09 | prpplague | ds2: max speed is 230kbaud |
| 21:16.27 | ds2 | yeah... most of the time the xtal determines the allowable dividers that will match up to standard rates |
| 21:16.34 | ds2 | nice |
| 21:16.54 | ds2 | prpplague: is that on all the UARTs? |
| 21:16.57 | prpplague | ds2: the s3c24xx uses a PLL to generate the clocks |
| 21:17.12 | prpplague | ds2: sorry didn't understand your question |
| 21:17.31 | ds2 | yes but PLL's still move in steps of the reference/xtal |
| 21:17.40 | ds2 | prpplague: can I do 230K on all the UARTs |
| 21:18.24 | prpplague | ds2: there are 3 seperate PLL's , the uart's use a Peripheral PLL or PCLK, which is specifically designed to always have correct dividers |
| 21:18.32 | prpplague | ds2: iirc yes |
| 21:19.00 | prpplague | ds2: i've only used it at 230k once, 115k is usally more than most devices can handle |
| 21:19.05 | ds2 | ah okay, slightly different from traditional baud rate generators |
| 21:19.11 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 21:19.23 | ds2 | prpplague: I am building up a demo from the hammer out |
| 21:19.34 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 21:20.04 | ds2 | prpplague: a bit short on time so I might be asking somewhat stupid q's, so applogies in advance |
| 21:20.34 | ds2 | prpplague: did you ever create a userspace GPIO interface? i.e. something I can flip GPIO pins from userland with a shell script |
| 21:21.58 | prpplague | ds2: no i never generated an interface for libgpio, however you can use devmem very effectively from a shell |
| 21:22.27 | ds2 | I guess that'll do |
| 21:23.44 | prpplague | ds2: what kind of bitbanging do you need? |
| 21:24.05 | ds2 | prpplague: I just need to be able to turn on an LED to show things are happening |
| 21:24.22 | ds2 | any chance the hammer's GPIO's can sink 100mA? :) |
| 21:24.39 | prpplague | ds2: the led is fully supported by the LED class driver |
| 21:25.05 | ds2 | I see Hmmmm that might be a easier way to go |
| 21:25.24 | prpplague | ds2: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_LED_Class_Driver |
| 21:26.25 | ds2 | Brightness?! heh overkill |
| 21:26.39 | ds2 | what about current sinking? can it do anywhere near 100mA? |
| 21:28.27 | ds2 | prpplague: does it really do brightness? as in PWM output on a GPIO? |
| 21:30.50 | prpplague | ds2: the LED class driver supports the usage of brightness, however with a standard GPIO connection its strictly ON/OFF |
| 21:33.04 | ds2 | ah okay... so much for a soft-fade on ;) |
| 21:37.35 | prpplague | ds2: you can always add a cat32 to do that |
| 21:39.35 | ds2 | nah, no time |
| 21:42.18 | prpplague | ds2: ahh ok, well the led class is full supported, takes only a minute to setuo |
| 21:42.20 | prpplague | setup |
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| 21:43.09 | ds2 | prpplague: I still got: 1.8V to 3.3V level convert, the mounting board, plastic bezels, the software, the slides, and some means of getting a shell on 2 boards to build in the next 2.5 months |
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| 21:44.00 | prpplague | ds2: fun fun |
| 21:44.38 | ds2 | prplague: instead of doing a laptop + power point, do you think I would look insane if I setup a webpal to output slides on the VGA port? |
| 21:44.56 | CosmicPenguin | yes |
| 21:44.57 | CosmicPenguin | but its a good kind of insane |
| 21:45.15 | ds2 | I'd use a more modern board but I don't have anything else handy that would run on low power and have VGA out |
| 21:45.36 | ds2 | (donations of full fledge atom/geodes are graciously accepted ;)) |
| 21:45.45 | CosmicPenguin | pcengines for the win |
| 21:45.56 | CosmicPenguin | have you seen our stock price? I can't aford to give away a cold |
| 21:46.00 | CosmicPenguin | s/I/we/ |
| 21:46.04 | ds2 | heheh *nod* |
| 21:46.17 | ds2 | I noticed those free talks at your HQ's seems to have stopped |
| 21:46.29 | ds2 | or at least I am no longer on the list for them |
| 21:47.03 | CosmicPenguin | heh - I had no idae |
| 21:47.12 | CosmicPenguin | life is sure different in the real AMD sites |
| 21:48.13 | ds2 | never seen AMD other then their HQ |
| 21:48.35 | ds2 | the folks in blue are indeed different at different sites though |
| 21:49.24 | CosmicPenguin | at least this site is more AMD - green stuff on the walls and such |
| 21:49.40 | CosmicPenguin | at the Longmont site we might as well have been on pluto |
| 21:49.47 | ds2 | the HQ looks like chicago during st patricks day! |
| 21:50.09 | CosmicPenguin | I have never been to HQ - neither Santa Clara or the main site in Austin |
| 21:50.13 | CosmicPenguin | oddly enough |
| 21:50.21 | CosmicPenguin | I've been to the fab in Dresden though, and that place kicks major ass |
| 21:50.33 | ds2 | isn't that the ONLY fab? |
| 21:51.02 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, I guess these days it is |
| 21:51.19 | CosmicPenguin | Technically austin is two fabs |
| 21:51.25 | CosmicPenguin | s/austin/dresden/ |
| 21:52.59 | ds2 | anyone know how common are DVD-D inputs to projectors at hotels? |
| 21:58.23 | prpplague | no clue here |
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| 22:04.58 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 22:08.38 | sunrunner20 | so |
| 22:08.44 | sunrunner20 | whats ya'lls favored distro? |
| 22:09.38 | sunrunner20 | right now its between SUSE linux enterprise desktop and kbuntu |
| 22:09.46 | luke-jr | what is? |
| 22:10.03 | sunrunner20 | what i'm going to install on my laptop lol |
| 22:10.27 | luke-jr | why? |
| 22:11.07 | sunrunner20 | well, its an 80gig drive, and I don't need 80gb on a laptop, so i figured I'd put linux+ windows on it when I reformated it today :0 |
| 22:11.08 | sunrunner20 | err |
| 22:11.09 | sunrunner20 | :) |
| 22:11.30 | luke-jr | why Windows? |
| 22:11.35 | luke-jr | it's useless |
| 22:12.40 | kergoth`work | if linux was actually well integrated, i'd use it at home, but as is, it takes far too much work to get it functional. look at sound, even today apps are still confused about esd vs alsa vs oss, its a mess. nowadays i want things to Just Work(tm) |
| 22:12.43 | kergoth`work | ""Naples police report this morning that a Bonita Springs man faces petty theft charges for allegedly stealing 42 cents from a fountain Monday at the Coastland Center mall on U.S. 41. "" <-yow |
| 22:13.14 | luke-jr | kergoth`work: that's FUD |
| 22:13.17 | sunrunner20 | luke-jr: because linux has zero tablet support |
| 22:13.21 | luke-jr | or GNOME-specific |
| 22:13.38 | luke-jr | there is no "ALSA vs OSS"; ALSA is OSS-compatible |
| 22:13.40 | prpplague | kergoth`work: 98% of what i use works out of the box for F9 |
| 22:13.41 | kergoth`work | i don't use gnome, never have |
| 22:13.49 | luke-jr | kergoth`work: only GNOME uses esd |
| 22:14.01 | kergoth`work | what kind of crack are you smoking? |
| 22:14.04 | sunrunner20 | and my laptop is a tablet :) |
| 22:14.07 | kergoth`work | maybe in your cookie cutter distros |
| 22:14.33 | luke-jr | no less cookie cutter than Windows |
| 22:14.40 | luke-jr | no more* |
| 22:14.57 | sunrunner20 | can't get any more cookie cutter than windows |
| 22:15.09 | kergoth`work | alsa isn't oss compatible when it comes to software mixing. if your hardware doesnt support mixing, and you have a mix of alsa and oss apps, good luck getting one app to not monopolize the rest |
| 22:15.11 | luke-jr | sunrunner20: OSX? |
| 22:15.16 | adyer | yawns and gets out the marshmellows for toasting |
| 22:15.16 | kergoth`work | you're jsut plain fucked in that case |
| 22:15.22 | kergoth`work | and its even worse if you have both 32 bit and 64 bit apps |
| 22:15.24 | luke-jr | kergoth`work: not true |
| 22:15.25 | sunrunner20 | lol adyer |
| 22:15.38 | luke-jr | and it's stupid to have mixed arch, at least on x86 |
| 22:15.53 | CosmicPenguin | seriously? |
| 22:15.54 | sunrunner20 | yea, the flames are getting high... and all I wanted was a suggestion for another distro to test in VMware |
| 22:16.17 | kergoth`work | stupid or not, i live in the real world, where things arent always the way they're supposed to be. maybe in your fantasy world, it's different |
| 22:16.57 | CosmicPenguin | I'm surprised that we didn't have any puppy-linux fanboys speak up |
| 22:17.33 | sunrunner20 | the reason I have the 10 gig is I like linux... It just won't work as a full time os on my laptop. Period. |
| 22:18.39 | sunrunner20 | gets out an exteniguisher and waits for an answer for his origional question |
| 22:19.08 | CosmicPenguin | sunrunner20: what does it matter? close your eyes and pick one |
| 22:19.17 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 22:19.17 | luke-jr | sunrunner20: Lfs! |
| 22:19.33 | sunrunner20 | CosmicPenguin: I cant' stant GNOME |
| 22:19.35 | sunrunner20 | *stand |
| 22:19.50 | CosmicPenguin | I thought you were just testing vmware? |
| 22:19.57 | sunrunner20 | testing _in_ |
| 22:20.04 | sunrunner20 | its faster :) |
| 22:20.34 | sunrunner20 | I have kbuntu and SUSE linux enterprise desktop in Vmware atm |
| 22:20.38 | CosmicPenguin | print out the list of distributions from distrowatch |
| 22:20.40 | sunrunner20 | so far Kbuntu is winning |
| 22:20.44 | CosmicPenguin | tape it to the wall, get out a dart |
| 22:20.47 | CosmicPenguin | the rest rights itself |
| 22:20.47 | luke-jr | sunrunner20: try Gentoo |
| 22:20.53 | CosmicPenguin | s/rights/writes/ |
| 22:20.55 | luke-jr | it sucks |
| 22:21.02 | luke-jr | but less so than *buntu and SuSE |
| 22:21.28 | kergoth`work | personally, i stick to debian or ubuntu. gentoo is silly, no point rebuilding shit unnecessarily. i'm not a fan of redhat distributionisms, and the apt/dpkg build tools are better than portage's binary support |
| 22:21.50 | kergoth`work | hopes someday there'll be a distro with the best of both worlds |
| 22:21.55 | luke-jr | kergoth`work: that's why Gentoo (usually) doesn't unnecessarily rebuild anything |
| 22:22.55 | kergoth`work | having forked portage, and read most of its code, i wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole until it gets a rewrite, personally, but thats not due to any user experience factor directly, just personal bias due to experience |
| 22:24.30 | sunrunner20 | ugh |
| 22:24.33 | sunrunner20 | tried gentoo once |
| 22:24.43 | sunrunner20 | never got past half way emerging the install |
| 22:25.00 | luke-jr | kergoth`work: lots of people use Paludis |
| 22:25.02 | sunrunner20 | sheer lazyness |
| 22:25.19 | ds2 | BAH no need for distros |
| 22:25.35 | kergoth`work | haven't heard about paludis, looks interesting |
| 22:25.37 | kergoth`work | reads |
| 22:25.44 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 22:25.52 | ds2 | just a root disk and a compiler |
| 22:25.52 | luke-jr | thinks Paludis has been around for a year+ now |
| 22:25.56 | sunrunner20 | >_< |
| 22:26.04 | sunrunner20 | suse just pissed me off |
| 22:26.09 | luke-jr | lol |
| 22:26.19 | sunrunner20 | it just asked me 3 times if it was sure i wanted to make the password for root "root" |
| 22:26.35 | luke-jr | ok, SuSE is right in this |
| 22:26.44 | sunrunner20 | I knwo its a horrible idea |
| 22:26.52 | sunrunner20 | but its a Virtual machine |
| 22:26.53 | luke-jr | it should flash the firmware on your computer to make it never boot again |
| 22:27.11 | sunrunner20 | I'm gonna trash the whole thing latter |
| 22:27.23 | sunrunner20 | not gonna keep the install |
| 22:35.13 | kergoth`work | definately promising. not the direction i hoped they'd go with it, but considering they don't want to alienate the existing package or user base, i can see why they went this route |
| 22:35.21 | kergoth`work | 'll have to play with it |
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| 23:46.32 | prpplague | omg, i laughed my ass of with this - http://thewebsiteisdown.com/ |
| 23:50.02 | ce_geek | Howdy |
| 23:50.07 | ce_geek | watching now |
| 23:56.04 | ce_geek | This is priceless. |
| 23:57.05 | prpplague | indeed |
| 23:58.37 | ce_geek | The icons on the desktop -- LOL! |