| 00:03.11 | T0mW | Monday? Today is "monday"? |
| 00:15.55 | g1powermac_PB | but not for fun reason, it was due to sickness |
| 00:17.16 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: btw, I think this juicebox thing is gonna be pretty sweet |
| 00:18.16 | g1powermac_PB | really might be able to do quite a bit more with the juicebox when you got a cpld and its I/O brought out |
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| 01:00.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: its going |
| 01:01.17 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yea JB is a nice gadget,but too many people get delusions of grandure when they start hacking it |
| 01:04.38 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 01:04.56 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: you know me, I get delusions of grandure with everything I hack :-) |
| 01:46.25 | chouimat | lalalala |
| 01:47.39 | chouimat | prpplague: the problem with delusion of grandeur is when $DEITY start to talk to you ... before that it's kind of ok |
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| 01:54.01 | cbaird | Megomaniac Atheists have a better time of it, then. :) |
| 01:56.19 | LyosNorezel | heh... and here I though the whole religion debate was off limits... how many atheists are there in this channel (besides me of course)? |
| 01:57.36 | cbaird | ++ (used to hang around Aussie Skeptics) |
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| 01:58.36 | cbaird | (about half my friends turned out to be card-carrying members too.. which was a maybe-not-so-strange coinscience.. :) |
| 02:00.29 | CosmicPenguin | We generally try to stay away from religious and political debates - unless you want to complain about the INS, which is the official pet peeve of #edev |
| 02:02.09 | LyosNorezel | hehe |
| 02:04.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:04.29 | prpplague | yea, politics and religion |
| 02:05.35 | LyosNorezel | ROFLMFAO |
| 02:05.45 | LyosNorezel | there's a new series on TV... |
| 02:06.05 | LyosNorezel | called "The Real Wedding Crashers" and it's pure gold |
| 02:06.22 | prpplague | i wish i had $0.25 for every email i got where someone says "hi! i love you JB hack, i want to use the JB to control a small orbital probe to mars, can you help me?" |
| 02:06.29 | cbaird | My last girlfriend was an AS member-- I joked that her flight to the UK (from AU) had better not pass through the USA, as we're probably both on the TSA no-fly list. :) |
| 02:07.41 | prpplague | cbaird: yea, well, the US's attitudes on people these days has left nearly all the major technical and scientific conferences void of any foreign guests or speakers |
| 02:08.04 | LyosNorezel | lol |
| 02:09.47 | prpplague | so my new house has a gfi outlet in bath room next to the mirror |
| 02:09.52 | prpplague | it has a red led |
| 02:10.16 | chouimat | gfi? |
| 02:10.40 | prpplague | so, in the middle of the night i got the bathroom, with my glasses off, and it looks like freakin red eyes, i've almost punched the mirror three or four times already |
| 02:10.49 | prpplague | ground fault interrupt |
| 02:10.49 | CosmicPenguin | ground fault indicator - its there to keep prpplague from sitting in the tub and dropping in a toaster.. :) |
| 02:10.53 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 02:10.56 | CosmicPenguin | s/indicator/interrupt/ |
| 02:13.00 | prpplague | and so saturday was a beoych too, i was cooking some cresants and grabbed the cooked sheet with a kitchen towel that fell away just as i grab the cookie sheet, burnt my hand |
| 02:13.11 | prpplague | then i ended up burning my lasgna |
| 02:13.41 | prpplague | and to top it of, my sponge bob kit broken its string and drifted off into the woods |
| 02:13.46 | prpplague | kite |
| 02:16.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats the word from AMD? more layoffs on the way? |
| 02:16.27 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 02:16.34 | CosmicPenguin | don't believe everything you hear |
| 02:18.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, yea, i just read stuff on the net, which is just about as good as chicken entrails most of the time |
| 02:18.22 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: dang |
| 02:18.30 | g1powermac_PB | that was a bad night |
| 02:19.28 | g1powermac_PB | well, at least you could smell your lasagna burn though. . . |
| 02:19.28 | chouimat | prpplague: what?? you're saying that chicken entrails are not good ... ok I will not wait for the 5'10" 140lbs redhead then :'( |
| 02:19.43 | prpplague | chouimat: ha |
| 02:19.48 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: it was the weirdest thing, I completely lost my sense of smell yesterday |
| 02:19.59 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: and i could smell my finger burn as well |
| 02:20.29 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: i'm sure some of the people in the offices around mine wish they had that affliction |
| 02:20.29 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: my mom burnt the crap out of something on the stove yesterday, and if I didn't see the smoke, I would have never thought anything was wrong |
| 02:20.57 | g1powermac_PB | really weird, especially since you can't taste anything you eat either |
| 02:21.18 | g1powermac_PB | so for dinner, I really couldn't tell the difference between a carrot or a roll |
| 02:23.17 | g1powermac_PB | I think it was from the almost constant use of albuterol that kept me breathing when the bronchitis was really bad |
| 02:24.49 | prpplague | it truely amazes me how many tech vendors have no clue what they are selling |
| 02:26.06 | prpplague | we had a VIA rep today try to sell us on using a VIA for a handheld devices swearing that it was our answer to power savings against ARM devices |
| 02:26.23 | chouimat | prpplague: just remove tech and the sentence will be true ;) |
| 02:27.33 | prpplague | chouimat: yea our own marketing has some issues as well |
| 02:28.30 | chouimat | prpplague: if you were serious last week about the device we are interested, I still have some details to iron out with my partners but so far so good |
| 02:30.06 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, what kind of numbers are we talking about for purchase? |
| 02:30.34 | chouimat | prpplague: don't know them yet |
| 02:31.09 | prpplague | chouimat: ok, i can get you like one dev board and one handheld |
| 02:31.19 | prpplague | chouimat: you need wifi or just batch? |
| 02:31.55 | chouimat | wifi will be nice ... but I guess I can live with the other |
| 02:33.01 | prpplague | what kind of time frame do you need it in? |
| 02:34.18 | prpplague | chouimat: oh, my brother has new photo shoots up http://www.vision-photography.net/cm/thumbnails.php?album=lastup&cat=0 |
| 02:34.49 | chouimat | prpplague: probably 2 to 4 months ... |
| 02:35.00 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 02:35.06 | prpplague | chouimat: i'll see what i can do |
| 02:35.40 | prpplague | chouimat: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/M5900 |
| 02:36.19 | chouimat | prpplague: we have some ERP stuff and we thing it might be a good thing to get this device work with the system ... GPL :) |
| 02:37.04 | prpplague | chouimat: gotcha, yea, i'll swing it in the next week or so |
| 02:37.30 | prpplague | chouimat: the M5900 look like what you need? |
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| 02:39.04 | prpplague | oh nice - http://www.vision-photography.net/cm/albums/userpics/10001/startrail_IMG_2948web.jpg |
| 02:44.54 | prpplague | http://www.vision-photography.net/cm/albums/userpics/10001/DSC05978_sunset_web%7E0.jpg |
| 02:45.21 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 02:45.55 | prpplague | chouimat|Zzzz: later |
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| 02:52.27 | prpplague | s/de/du |
| 03:02.19 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: btw, could use the standard juiceware cartridge for the xD hack? |
| 03:04.17 | pierrelux | prpplague: nice beer but I prefer that one http://www.troududiable.com/article.php3?id_article=8 ... these guys are micro-brewers and you could only drink it there, in my town |
| 03:04.31 | g1powermac_PB | seems the sd/mmc cartridge is hard to find on ebay |
| 03:06.00 | prpplague | cardtridge? |
| 03:06.13 | g1powermac_PB | yea, the mp3 one |
| 03:06.33 | g1powermac_PB | the one with the sd/mmc slot in it |
| 03:07.46 | prpplague | oh |
| 03:07.51 | prpplague | yea, you can make one easy |
| 03:08.36 | g1powermac_PB | yea, just saw this: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceWareXdSocket |
| 03:09.32 | g1powermac_PB | so using that hack I can put uclinux on it, correct? |
| 03:10.48 | prpplague | yea, you can make one easy |
| 03:10.53 | prpplague | yep |
| 03:10.54 | g1powermac_PB | cool |
| 03:11.00 | g1powermac_PB | frieking cool |
| 03:11.23 | g1powermac_PB | might try that xD hack first |
| 03:11.46 | ds3 | isn't the stuff that guy was doing with the PIC + JTAG easier? |
| 03:12.27 | prpplague | ds3: there are alot of hacks , it all depends on your skills |
| 03:12.58 | ds3 | still waiting for a "fool proof" hack on the JB's |
| 03:13.48 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: couldn't you also just like remove the internal flash and just replace it with reprogrammable flash? |
| 03:14.11 | g1powermac_PB | install custom uclinux stuff directly on the internal flash. . . |
| 03:14.16 | ds3 | on some models, the JB has no "removeable" flash |
| 03:14.22 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yep |
| 03:14.31 | g1powermac_PB | ds3: I mean, desolder the flash :-) |
| 03:14.45 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: some models have CoB |
| 03:15.00 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: ugh, ok, hopefully mine doesn't |
| 03:15.03 | prpplague | but its still possible to disable the CoB and wire in a replacement flash |
| 03:16.00 | g1powermac_PB | really wonder why they do the CoB stuff, I mean they're soldering all the other components. . . |
| 03:16.16 | ds3 | cheap, no need to package the chip |
| 03:16.26 | g1powermac_PB | yea, guess so |
| 03:17.01 | g1powermac_PB | still annoying either way |
| 03:18.47 | ds3 | wish the guys doing the SDIO project would 'hurry up'... that would provide a way to get a WiFi card on the JB |
| 03:20.17 | ds3 | =) |
| 03:20.43 | g1powermac_PB | hmmm |
| 03:21.00 | g1powermac_PB | that'd be pretty cool |
| 03:21.39 | g1powermac_PB | anyway, time for sleep for me |
| 03:21.41 | g1powermac_PB | gnight all |
| 03:21.57 | prpplague | ds3: sdio for the JB will never happen |
| 03:22.00 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: later |
| 03:24.15 | ds3 | prpplague: why? |
| 03:24.32 | prpplague | ds3: s3c44b0x has no sdio controller |
| 03:24.47 | ds3 | it also doesn't have a SD controller, AFAIK |
| 03:25.14 | ds3 | why can't it bit bang, slow, but should be functional |
| 03:25.15 | prpplague | ds3: that is correct, but all sd/mmc cards are required to support a SPI interface, which is what the JB uses |
| 03:25.34 | ds3 | and the JB has SPI master hardware? |
| 03:25.37 | prpplague | ds3: because the protocol for the SDIO controler is not 100% available |
| 03:25.41 | prpplague | ds3: yes |
| 03:25.55 | ds3 | there is suppose to be a project to port an available stack to Linux |
| 03:26.05 | prpplague | ds3: but low speed SPI can be bitbanged since the protocol is open |
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| 03:26.16 | prpplague | ds3: stack is one thing, controler is another |
| 03:26.57 | ds3 | having seen an AVR do USB in software, I'd disagree |
| 03:27.23 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:27.42 | prpplague | ds3: well trust me, i;ve been working with sdio and wifi the last 4 months |
| 03:27.48 | ds3 | the harder part, IMO, is figuring out the commands the WiFi card needs |
| 03:28.01 | prpplague | ds3: no way you are going to bit bang sdio with the amount of specs that are freely available |
| 03:28.12 | prpplague | ds3: yea, that too is an issue |
| 03:28.38 | ds3 | have you see this stuff yet: |
| 03:28.40 | ds3 | http://source.mvista.com/~dsingleton/sdio/ |
| 03:29.00 | prpplague | yea |
| 03:29.15 | prpplague | i have it built and running on a s3c2410 and s3c2440 platform |
| 03:29.32 | prpplague | ds3: again that stack doesn't do you any good without some type of controler |
| 03:29.53 | ds3 | so you are ahead of me... I was thinking of getting it to work on a PXA255 first then back out how to bitbang it from the PXA255 docs |
| 03:29.58 | prpplague | ds3: that is again, the stack, not the actual controller interface, you have to include your specific controller with it |
| 03:30.10 | prpplague | ds3: good luck |
| 03:30.22 | ds3 | so it won't even work on a PXA255/270 w/o another NDA? |
| 03:30.40 | prpplague | ds3: without joining the SD association |
| 03:30.53 | prpplague | ds3: and that would preclude you from posting your code under GPL |
| 03:30.57 | ds3 | ah I see. that's the part I missed |
| 03:31.24 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: what about hacking the interface? |
| 03:31.32 | ds3 | wonder if anyone has gone the logic analyzer approach? |
| 03:31.35 | prpplague | hacking what interface? |
| 03:31.47 | LyosNorezel | the controller |
| 03:31.55 | ds3 | maybe someone in the EU, the posting that info |
| 03:32.06 | prpplague | ds3: SDIO is protected by a number of patents, if you posted reverse engineering info, you are sure to get sued |
| 03:32.42 | LyosNorezel | ah... the glory of internet anonimity ;-) |
| 03:32.58 | ds3 | eh? why is that? the patent says I can't use it, but it shouldn't prevent me from documentating it, right? |
| 03:33.07 | prpplague | well, i can do it and most people who have the skills aren't going to do it, because they have to work for a living |
| 03:33.40 | prpplague | ds3: yea, as long as you don't implement it |
| 03:34.15 | ds3 | so if someone in the wild jungle were to find that info and illegally make something work with it.... |
| 03:34.57 | LyosNorezel | heh... prpplague... I tell you what... you break it... I'll host it |
| 03:35.15 | LyosNorezel | I'd like to see them try to find me ;-) |
| 03:35.18 | prpplague | no way |
| 03:35.29 | ds3 | but then if it is patented, part of it the info is available in the patents themselves |
| 03:35.29 | prpplague | i'm under so many nda's i'd never work again |
| 03:35.29 | LyosNorezel | I'll be laughing my ass off from the comfort of my own home |
| 03:35.56 | ds3 | just a matter of waiting 15-20 years and we can use it freely |
| 03:35.59 | prpplague | ds3: i'd suspect that is true |
| 03:36.22 | ds3 | nice thing about NDAs is if some one else posted it, the NDA's are void ;) |
| 03:36.29 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: I'm no snitch... no one but me would ever know who cracked it |
| 03:36.37 | prpplague | yea right |
| 03:37.39 | LyosNorezel | and as I said... I'd love to see them try to find me... |
| 03:37.46 | ds3 | wonder if anyone is thinking of doing a bunch of SPI - WiFi "kits" for "personal use" |
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| 03:38.09 | LyosNorezel | *maniacal laughter* |
| 03:38.38 | ds3 | the biggest problem with doing a WiFi implementation is getting it FCC cert'ed |
| 03:39.07 | ds3 | but AFAIK, you can self cert if it is self built and for personal use (i.e. not sold as an assembled unit) |
| 03:39.22 | LyosNorezel | meh... that's only a problem if you need to sell it |
| 03:40.23 | ds3 | right, so you make it on a tiny board that fits an MMC slot and uses SPI to talk |
| 03:40.51 | ds3 | only issue is convincing the chip guys to sell you the chips and if they are BGA only parts |
| 03:41.52 | LyosNorezel | heh |
| 03:42.07 | ds3 | anyone more qualify around to tell me I am nuts and to what extent? |
| 03:43.17 | LyosNorezel | "the people who are crazy enough to believe they can change the world are the ones who usually do" |
| 03:43.20 | LyosNorezel | hehe |
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| 03:48.02 | ds3 | back into the void I go |
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| 03:50.05 | LyosNorezel | grrrr... |
| 03:50.11 | LyosNorezel | fucking computer |
| 03:50.41 | ds3 | on a different area... anyone done a reflash of a WAP54G v1? |
| 04:30.37 | prpplague | ds3: most of the major chip manufacturers do have spi support for their chips |
| 04:31.00 | prpplague | ds3: problem is they don't get much attention as that usually the max rate for spi is around 20mhz |
| 04:31.18 | prpplague | ds3: which is ok for 802.11b but doesn't give you full support for g |
| 04:34.37 | prpplague | ds3: http://www.embeddedworks.net/newsite/WLAN/oem_sdio_80211g.html |
| 04:35.03 | prpplague | ds3: notice they all support G-spi , which is generic spi |
| 04:55.12 | ds3 | for a smaller device, even 1.5Mbit is fine |
| 04:56.26 | ds3 | but these are marvell... and well, we all know how friendly they are |
| 04:56.56 | prpplague | the spi information is posted |
| 04:57.51 | ds3 | for the marvell chips? |
| 04:59.05 | prpplague | yea |
| 04:59.38 | ds3 | hmmm. got to look for that... Marvell is famous for requiring NDAs for everything, even datasheets that were once public |
| 05:00.02 | prpplague | try checking out the OLPC project |
| 05:00.15 | prpplague | they have a libertas mailing list |
| 05:00.22 | prpplague | all i can say |
| 05:03.25 | ds3 | hmmmm |
| 05:04.10 | ds3 | so it is possible to put a WiFi interface on a JB using the SD slot; just can't use SDIO |
| 05:05.41 | prpplague | hehe, just a reminder, its not sd, its not mmc, its spi |
| 05:06.25 | ds3 | it is about as much of SD as the Atmel Dataflash ;) |
| 05:07.36 | ds3 | but then we could take this further and call it "3 wire synchronous serial interface" to avoid issues with FreeScale/Motorola |
| 05:08.42 | prpplague | ds3: there is a distintinc difference in the protocols between sd, mmc and spi |
| 05:08.47 | prpplague | all three very different |
| 05:09.03 | ds3 | yes, I know. |
| 05:09.45 | ds3 | just off the top of my head, SD is 4 bit; MMC is like SPI but has special addressing... is that about right? |
| 05:10.06 | prpplague | sd can be 1 bit as well |
| 05:10.28 | ds3 | always thought that was MMC fall back mode |
| 05:13.32 | prpplague | no sd can be 1-bit as well |
| 05:14.14 | prpplague | 1 bit sd, 1bit mmc, and spi basically use the same exact lines, but the differences is in the protocol that drives them |
| 05:14.38 | prpplague | later |
| 05:15.34 | ds3 | later |
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| 13:36.20 | g1powermac_PB | hey prpplague |
| 13:36.56 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, do all of the JBs have the processor as a CoB and have what would be the pads for the qfp chip surrounding it? |
| 13:47.04 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: to my uncertain knowledge, yes |
| 13:50.03 | g1powermac_PB | k, so thats quite interesting |
| 13:50.27 | g1powermac_PB | I wonder if the design is using all the different I/O stuff of that chip |
| 13:50.59 | g1powermac_PB | like the I2C |
| 13:52.12 | g1powermac_PB | also wonder how hard it would be to build an expansion type board that will solder right onto those pads |
| 13:52.35 | g1powermac_PB | a board that will add more ram, bring out some more of the unused I/O and stuff |
| 13:53.24 | g1powermac_PB | though I'd have to figure out how to solder a pcb onto pads meant for qfp packaging. . . |
| 13:58.20 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: rule of thumb, when hacking a device always purchase 3, one as a reference (leave untouched), one to hack, and one for testing |
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| 13:58.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings |
| 13:58.46 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, yea |
| 13:59.03 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day |
| 13:59.24 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, though really, any suggestions on how to solder a board onto qfp pads? |
| 14:18.23 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: lots of pins |
| 14:18.42 | g1powermac_PB | yea, but how do get headers spaced that close? |
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| 14:28.00 | MonMotha | g1powermac_PB: the technique I've heard of is to basically create yourself a QFN |
| 14:28.30 | MonMotha | make a board with pads on the bottom layer that line up, no soldermask on the bottom layer (so you can't have traces on it, just vias up) and solder that down |
| 14:28.53 | MonMotha | you can also cut the board through some plated drill hits so that you'll get something along the edge to solder down to |
| 14:30.15 | g1powermac_PB | MonMotha: only issue with that method is that I can't lay the new board flat, as the ARM CoB will be in the middle |
| 14:30.24 | g1powermac_PB | though if that wasn't there, that would definitely work |
| 14:32.34 | MonMotha | g1powermac_PB: in that case, 30ga wire |
| 14:33.12 | g1powermac_PB | hmmm |
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| 16:06.13 | prpplague | Crofton: close call yesterday |
| 16:06.13 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 16:06.15 | prpplague | Crofton: rumor has it someone is trying to pump up the price |
| 16:06.18 | Crofton | prpplague, you need to careful about phrases like "close call" with me |
| 16:06.20 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:06.20 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe |
| 16:06.20 | Crofton | I figured out what you meant, but it took a moment :) |
| 16:06.20 | Crofton | longer than I would like ... |
| 16:06.20 | prpplague | Crofton: ? |
| 16:06.20 | Crofton | after last week, "close call" has a different meaning |
| 16:06.21 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:06.21 | Crofton | why isn't the bot working? |
| 16:06.21 | prpplague | purl: hello |
| 16:06.45 | purl | Howdy Bub |
| 16:06.45 | prpplague | Crofton: probably got a disconnect |
| 16:06.46 | prpplague | Crofton: scox closed at $0.99 yesterday |
| 16:06.46 | Crofton | yeah |
| 16:06.46 | Crofton | I see |
| 16:06.46 | Crofton | yikes |
| 16:06.46 | Crofton | what is volume doing? |
| 16:07.42 | prpplague | low in the 20k |
| 16:07.42 | prpplague | but they dumped it close to CoB |
| 16:07.42 | prpplague | Close of Business |
| 16:07.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:07.43 | CosmicPenguin | The intertubes in Utah are slow today |
| 16:07.43 | prpplague | Crofton: but someone dumped almost 450k shares on the 19th |
| 16:07.43 | prpplague | Crofton: at one time |
| 16:07.55 | Crofton | wow |
| 16:08.30 | prpplague | but it looks like at this point, even if they tried to do a 2:1 split, they'd not be able to keep their market cap |
| 16:08.35 | Crofton | http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.664357/browse_thread/thread/2eedc812e87fde95 |
| 16:12.53 | prpplague | interesting |
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| 18:28.14 | [0xAF] | hello, just one question (i guess google can help me but its quicker to ask) |
| 18:28.45 | [0xAF] | is there a way to mount ext2 fs in embedded device without buffering ... so if the power goes off no transaction will be left undone |
| 18:28.56 | [0xAF] | i hope i made it clear |
| 18:33.09 | cbaird | As in mount -o sync ... & hdparm -W 0 /dev/sda .. Although I couldn't say that it'll guarantee consistency. |
| 18:34.34 | [0xAF] | hm i have hda=nodma in the boot line but i guess it has nothing to do with it |
| 18:34.59 | [0xAF] | so the sync option in mount should do it ? (i have no hdparm in embedded) |
| 18:35.55 | [0xAF] | i guess there are some changes between 2.6.16 and 2.6.20 ... becouse in the 20 i have problems with this... i never had such problems before |
| 18:36.46 | [0xAF] | and i still have to find a cheap way to put e2fsck... it takes a lot of MB with all libs |
| 18:37.16 | T0mW | I think there is a #define in the kernel someplace to not buffer disk writes. but... |
| 18:37.34 | T0mW | It might be in /proc someplace |
| 18:37.58 | [0xAF] | hmm i guess there should be an easy way ... or option in "make config" (i dont know for such) |
| 18:38.13 | [0xAF] | i should google about that i guess |
| 18:38.31 | T0mW`gone | no, I don't think that it is that widely used. Look in /proc/sys or something like that. |
| 18:38.42 | [0xAF] | i see |
| 18:38.46 | [0xAF] | tnx for the help |
| 18:39.38 | [0xAF] | anyone else have experience with that ? |
| 18:40.51 | [0xAF] | or atleast a word to search in google ? ("mount ext2 no sync" or something) |
| 18:45.15 | [0xAF] | i hope the sync option should do it |
| 18:47.01 | prpplague | chouimat|away: ping |
| 18:47.57 | prpplague | [0xAF]: ext2 is not designed that way, and ext3 is not really intended for heavy flash usage |
| 18:48.19 | [0xAF] | i guess you are right |
| 18:48.31 | prpplague | [0xAF]: if you need to be power loss concerned, you need to use a journaling file system with flash based options |
| 18:50.10 | [0xAF] | but i have ext 2 partition for images (which i mount with -o loop) and ext3 for storage of sqlite database .... so when i put usb flash with update ... hotplug should remount ext2 part with RW and copy the image ... then mount it RO again ... but when i reboot the device after that ... the new (copyed file) is 0 bytes ... and fs is broken ... shows its filled ... but should have 5-6 mb free |
| 18:50.31 | [0xAF] | prpplague: any suggestion for FS ? |
| 18:50.52 | prpplague | jffs2 or yaffs |
| 18:51.13 | [0xAF] | hmm i should study more about jffs2 |
| 18:51.55 | [0xAF] | anyway i had no problems untill i upgraded from 2.6.16 to 2.6.20 (i dont know if there is a point in that, becouse the problem is only on the testing device for now) |
| 18:53.12 | [0xAF] | are you suggesting to use jffs2 for both partitions ? |
| 18:56.32 | [0xAF] | prpplague: just one quick Q... does those FS need checking at anytime ? |
| 18:56.52 | [0xAF] | jffs2 and yaffs ? |
| 18:56.58 | prpplague | [0xAF]: generally speaking the jffs2 doesn't need to be checked |
| 18:57.18 | [0xAF] | seems good choice |
| 18:57.43 | [0xAF] | im not familiar with FSes and i had no time to check them ... thats why i choosed ext2 |
| 18:58.59 | [0xAF] | but IIRC a lot of embedded devices are using jffs2 (like mine linksys wifi router)... so i guess its my mistake |
| 18:59.16 | chouimat|away | prpplague pong |
| 19:03.24 | prpplague | chouimat|away: i need contact info, shipping, and a description of your intended application |
| 19:03.31 | prpplague | ~prpplague |
| 19:03.33 | purl | somebody said prpplague was mailto:danders@amltd.com or Dave Anders |
| 19:04.29 | [0xAF] | is purl infobot ? |
| 19:04.36 | [0xAF] | purl who are you ? |
| 19:04.39 | purl | [0xAF]: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:04.47 | [0xAF] | i guess so ;] |
| 19:04.58 | [0xAF] | purl: version |
| 19:05.00 | purl | [version] Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 19:05.10 | [0xAF] | not what i expected |
| 19:05.20 | g1powermac | [0xAF], purl is a really realistic acting bot :-) |
| 19:05.37 | g1powermac | [0xAF], I thought it was a person at first myself :-) |
| 19:05.43 | [0xAF] | i had infobot once ... which was reacting like purl ;] |
| 19:05.52 | chouimat|away | prpplague ok ... once I get back to ottawa I will send it to you ... I'm currently remotely connected and this connection sucks ... ok I have to go if I want to have a good place in the bus :) |
| 19:06.01 | prpplague | chouimat|away: np |
| 19:06.24 | [0xAF] | haha i had a friend that was chatting with mine infobot for about 30 minutes after that kick and ban the infobot becouse he wasnt able to recognize the bot ;] |
| 19:06.39 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 19:07.32 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 19:08.12 | [0xAF] | prpplague: thanks for the hint on jffs2 i guess ill switch |
| 19:08.40 | prpplague | np |
| 19:09.46 | g1powermac | prpplague, btw, what kind of fs did you use on the xD card in the JB? |
| 19:09.49 | [0xAF] | im going to learn a bit now ;]... but on the front page they said its mine solution ;] just like prpplague |
| 19:10.09 | prpplague | g1powermac: none |
| 19:10.16 | prpplague | g1powermac: just direct data |
| 19:10.28 | g1powermac | k, thats what I figured |
| 19:10.35 | [0xAF] | prpplague: so where is the OS ? booting from where ? |
| 19:11.11 | prpplague | [0xAF]: for the JB? |
| 19:11.40 | [0xAF] | yes, but i dont know what is JB ... so my Q may be stupid i guess |
| 19:11.58 | g1powermac | thats the JB: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBox |
| 19:13.29 | [0xAF] | looks nice ;] |
| 19:14.06 | [0xAF] | btw what should mean "uClinux" in general ... is that just an linux with uclibc+busybox or there are some patches to the kernel |
| 19:14.43 | g1powermac | [0xAF], generally, the big difference between uClinux and regular linux is that uClinux is meant for procs that don't have a MMU |
| 19:14.55 | prpplague | uClinux is the non threaded version of linux intended to run on devices with no memory management unit(MMU) |
| 19:15.07 | [0xAF] | ahhh i see... |
| 19:15.36 | [0xAF] | i should visit you more than once in a year ... ;] |
| 19:17.45 | [0xAF] | anyway i need pthreads for mine soft ;[ and im using SBC so its not for me ;] |
| 19:23.34 | g1powermac | prpplague, hmm, making a flash image for the JB is a fairly complicated process |
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| 19:38.25 | [0xAF] | take care guys |
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| 23:31.35 | g1powermac | prpplague^2, what ya think about getting this on the uclinux on the JB: http://picotk.sourceforge.net/ ? |
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| 23:35.25 | wmat | prpplague^2: ping |
| 23:39.11 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/wireless/lgs-wimax+enabled-phone-might-be-a-little-early-254907.php <-- look familiar? |
| 23:46.58 | prpplague^2 | wmat: pong |
| 23:47.11 | wmat | prpplague^2: who controls dns for elinux.org? |
| 23:47.25 | prpplague^2 | timmy |
| 23:47.32 | wmat | ok, i'll email him |
| 23:48.59 | prpplague^2 | chouimat|away: what? so old lady attack you for looking at her ass on the bus? |
| 23:49.02 | wmat | prpplague^2: it's time to go live with the new wiki and let the hordes at it |
| 23:49.10 | prpplague^2 | wmat: lovely |
| 23:49.46 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: 12th time is a charm? |
| 23:50.18 | prpplague^2 | g1powermac: picotk isn't as robust as microwindows |
| 23:50.33 | chouimat|away | prpplague^2: no I'm in Quebec City and I just had a meeting with the "friend who hired the Virgin Mary as a senior manager last fall" and I just lost my time ... and I will probably loose a lot of money (again and my domain name because of him) |
| 23:50.34 | prpplague^2 | g1powermac: i'd just as soon use that if i needed a super small gui |
| 23:50.58 | prpplague^2 | chouimat|away: ???????? |
| 23:51.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: you said that just to get a rise out of me, didn't you? |
| 23:51.05 | g1powermac | prpplague^2, k |
| 23:51.12 | wmat | prpplague^2: i'll probably have to help get it over if it's new |
| 23:51.19 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 23:51.23 | chouimat|away | prpplague^2: long story ... |
| 23:51.33 | prpplague^2 | chouimat|away: jeeze |
| 23:52.07 | chouimat|away | CosmicPenguin: and add a few pints too |
| 23:52.14 | prpplague^2 | hehe |
| 23:52.45 | chouimat|away | prpplague^2: what is fun is this bar as free wifi :) |
| 23:53.19 | prpplague^2 | chouimat|away: so do most of the nudie bars in dfw |
| 23:53.44 | chouimat|away | prpplague^2: here part of the long story ... I need to find the time to write part 2 http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2523 |
| 23:56.06 | prpplague | chouimat|away: ahh that one |
| 23:57.19 | prpplague | http://www.vision-photography.net/cm/albums/userpics/10001/fire_web_IMG_2341.jpg |
| 23:57.26 | prpplague | check out this photo my brother took |
| 23:57.39 | prpplague | look in the upper right hand side |
| 23:58.35 | wmat | is that the GohostRider? |
| 23:58.42 | wmat | GhostRIder |
| 23:58.45 | wmat | hehe |
| 23:59.54 | prpplague | http://www.vision-photography.net/cm/albums/userpics/10001/fire_web_film_IMG_2372.jpg |
| 23:59.58 | prpplague | another cool one |
