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| 12:49.18 | jbevren | Morning |
| 12:49.43 | prpplague | jbevren: morning |
| 12:49.47 | prpplague | whats the latest on the freenode server being compromnised? |
| 12:49.56 | prpplague | jbevren: hows was the camping? |
| 12:50.42 | jbevren | pretty decent |
| 12:51.01 | jbevren | some rain on saturday, but my sister had her camper there so we played cards indoors |
| 12:52.01 | prpplague | in doors? |
| 12:52.13 | jbevren | in her camper |
| 12:52.13 | prpplague | should be out playing in the rain |
| 12:52.18 | jbevren | which I dont count as camping |
| 12:52.23 | jbevren | naw, rain was too heavy |
| 12:52.29 | jbevren | in light rain I'd be outside |
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| 13:17.57 | agaffney | prpplague: they did a town hall sort of thing last night, but there wasn't much useful information |
| 13:18.10 | agaffney | there's still a lot they won't say due to an "ongoing investigation" |
| 13:18.38 | prpplague | agaffney: i see |
| 13:18.53 | prpplague | agaffney: i changed my passwords of course |
| 13:19.07 | agaffney | there are only <25 thought to possible be compromised |
| 13:19.09 | prpplague | agaffney: just wonder what the fall out will be |
| 13:19.31 | agaffney | and that's just a guess based on the amount of time between when the attacker took down services and when the servers were shut down |
| 13:19.48 | agaffney | assuming the attackers even killed the jupe and assumed nickserv's role temporarily |
| 13:20.30 | prpplague | yea there is suppose to be a q&a page but i haven't seen the url yet |
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| 13:45.18 | prpplague | T0mW: greetings |
| 13:45.36 | T0mW | prpplague: greetings from the rain-forest |
| 13:45.49 | prpplague | T0mW: getting a little water there? |
| 13:46.10 | T0mW | prpplague: the weather here is rain, more rain, then misty rain |
| 13:46.22 | prpplague | http://image.weather.com/images/sat/atl_oce_sat_720x486.jpg |
| 13:46.32 | prpplague | we have a few storms in the atlantic brewing |
| 13:46.48 | T0mW | we have hammer-down rain, rain, showers, mist: the whole gamut |
| 13:47.10 | T0mW | oh! no hail, yet |
| 13:47.14 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 13:47.36 | T0mW | just practicin' |
| 13:47.50 | prpplague | T0mW: its my understanding that the chinesse have a single word for rain, but depending on how you pronounce it tells you what kind of rain it is |
| 13:48.01 | prpplague | T0mW: something 40 ways to pronounce it |
| 13:48.01 | T0mW | HA! |
| 13:48.22 | T0mW | prpplague: we have a word like that: sh!t |
| 13:49.03 | T0mW | prpplague: depending on how you pronounce it tells you how bad life is, heh |
| 13:49.13 | T0mW | ;) |
| 13:50.41 | T0mW | prpplague: worked this weekend to finish the new board. it's going to be interesting to see how this works out: two products in one source tree with a lot of #ifdef overlaps |
| 13:51.20 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, doing that with 3 products and the linux kernel |
| 13:51.47 | T0mW | yeah, i've a bit of perl in that make system |
| 13:52.39 | T0mW | prpplague: anyway, it sits here on the bench running tests on the LEDs, heh heh |
| 13:53.05 | T0mW | prpplague: now to see if the potential customer wants to buy it. |
| 13:53.45 | T0mW | one thing I really really suck at is writing user documentation. |
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| 13:57.04 | T0mW | prpplague: you know, I suspect that the 'SRAM' that the chip docs refer to in the LPC2000 family is not "static" RAM. The RAM behaves as if it is PSUEDO-STATIC. |
| 13:57.21 | prpplague | T0mW: yea? |
| 13:58.12 | T0mW | the reset chip I have gives a one second pulse, the RAM won't hold values thru a reset: most columns will but some won't |
| 13:58.58 | prpplague | ahh |
| 13:59.08 | T0mW | it is sensitive to the bit values of the ram field (page), different fill values will work, others get bobbled bits |
| 13:59.58 | prpplague | interesting |
| 14:08.42 | T0mW | prpplague: I've seen dynamic RAM behave this way. You can keep values in DRAM across RESET, provided the RESET pulse is short and you get the DRAM controller running ASAP |
| 14:09.22 | T0mW | prpplague: intereseting thing is that you could keep values in DRAM for something on the order of 200..600ms before it would start dropping bits, but it was also pattern sensitive. |
| 14:10.12 | T0mW | DRAM != SDRAM, not sure how SDRAM behaves. |
| 14:11.34 | prpplague | brb going for a reboot |
| 14:13.42 | jbevren | most sdram controllers put the memory into self-refresh mode during idle |
| 14:13.56 | jbevren | so assuming you reset and the sdram doesnt lose power, the data would (educated guess) hold |
| 14:14.19 | T0mW | jbevren: does self-refresh use an internal clock, internal to the SDRAM device? |
| 14:14.28 | jbevren | hm |
| 14:14.39 | jbevren | not 100% sure. Isnt the clock on the sdram only active during transfers? |
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| 14:15.34 | jbevren | prpplague: (quoting tom) does self-refresh on sdram use an internal clock? |
| 14:15.39 | T0mW | IMHO, it wouldn't be possible to access the SDRAM if it is in self-refresh as the synchronis nature of the clock vs control bus is broken, but it would keep the SDRAM alive if you put the CPU into deep-sleep. |
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| 14:19.33 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, to be honesty i've been so deep in other stuff, the ram issues are not fresh on my brain |
| 14:19.36 | prpplague | T0mW: but..... |
| 14:19.52 | prpplague | T0mW: i have run sdram in auto-refesh mode while accessing it |
| 14:21.26 | T0mW | my concern is this: I'd planned to dump registers + stack data into a RAM location when an Exception was thrown by my software, then the exception handler would reset the LPC2138 CPU. When the system came back up, it would look to see the state of the ExceptionDumpArea and write it to the SD card when valid. Thus giving trace data. |
| 14:22.36 | T0mW | The thinking was that I could not rely upon using the SD card while an exception had been thrown as the health of the system was in doubt. So... reboot the system, then dump the info to the SD card. |
| 14:23.02 | T0mW | I've about 200K of program, there WILL be problems somewhere. |
| 14:23.19 | T0mW | ... all new code |
| 14:23.20 | jbevren | can you partition the SD to include a raw partition to hold the dump |
| 14:23.26 | jbevren | and bit-bang your dump to the sectors? |
| 14:23.30 | T0mW | no |
| 14:23.36 | jbevren | hm ok |
| 14:23.39 | jbevren | just an idea :) |
| 14:23.56 | T0mW | I want ability for the user in the field to send me the 'errorlog.txt' file. |
| 14:24.33 | jbevren | aha |
| 14:24.34 | T0mW | ... and ... I don't want to write an extra-special program on Windows to examine the contents of the SD card sectors. |
| 14:24.35 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 14:24.41 | jbevren | yeah |
| 14:24.51 | T0mW | Windows (l)users are so non-technical |
| 14:25.02 | jbevren | hehe youre telling me? |
| 14:25.15 | jbevren | the ms programmers are nearly as bad |
| 14:25.16 | T0mW | I'll have to experiment with reset pulse values |
| 14:26.25 | T0mW | Well, under Windows (or linux for that matter) systems, you can "be there" to do post crash analysis, but this is an embedded system designed to run for years without intervention. |
| 14:26.39 | jbevren | yeah |
| 14:26.59 | T0mW | "you want to keep WinNT healthy? Reboot it once a month..." |
| 14:28.55 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:43.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greeeeeetings |
| 14:44.27 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 14:44.30 | CosmicPenguin | what service |
| 14:44.39 | jbevren | yum |
| 14:44.41 | jbevren | me too? :) |
| 14:47.36 | jbevren | hah? |
| 14:47.39 | jbevren | oop |
| 14:49.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:49.21 | jbevren | I need focus follows eyes |
| 14:49.24 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:49.31 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 14:50.38 | prpplague | jbevren: a few years ago, about 10 years after my parents got divorced, my mother ( who is a few cards short of a full deck) let it slip that she used to put some dish soap in my fathers coffee in the mornings, hehe |
| 14:54.28 | CosmicPenguin | good golly] |
| 14:54.29 | jbevren | prpplague: Know of any breakout boards for the mini2410 card? |
| 14:55.22 | prpplague | jbevren: ?? mini2410? |
| 14:55.30 | jbevren | ebay 7610223074 |
| 14:55.42 | jbevren | random curiosity heh |
| 14:55.51 | prpplague | hmm, i'm getting a weird error with busybox rmmod, "Function not implemented" |
| 14:56.03 | jbevren | its one of those boards taht uses a SODIMM edge |
| 14:56.07 | prpplague | jbevren: oh, yea seen that, no don't know any off the top of my head |
| 14:56.16 | jbevren | prpplague: is the bbox rmmod built for kernel 2.4 and youre using 2.6? |
| 14:56.28 | prpplague | jbevren: i've talked to T0mW before about doing some generic board for things like that |
| 14:56.56 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm, 2.6 support in busybox, wonder if you can't use 2.4 and 2.6 at the same time |
| 14:57.02 | jbevren | prpplague: or perhaps 2.6 isnt configured for modules |
| 14:57.44 | jbevren | in debian, module-init-tools calls the old modutils binary when it detects 2.4 |
| 14:57.45 | prpplague | jbevren: naw, i did insmod with no problem |
| 14:57.52 | jbevren | strange |
| 14:58.03 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.01 | prpplague | this is strange |
| 15:01.01 | prpplague | DOH DOH DOH |
| 15:01.10 | prpplague | helps if you have module unloaded selected in the kernel |
| 15:01.21 | prpplague | don't know how i missed it |
| 15:05.21 | CosmicPenguin | because its not selected by default? |
| 15:05.36 | jbevren | prpplague: 7613192400 <- replacement lcd for my pixter eh? :) |
| 15:05.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, and since its not an option in 2.4 |
| 15:05.45 | jbevren | the resolution is different but that wont matter if I change the firmware |
| 15:06.39 | prpplague | eh gads |
| 15:07.20 | prpplague | jbevren: why not get one of those lcds for the palm? |
| 15:07.26 | prpplague | jbevren: those should work ok |
| 15:08.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still getting used to some of the 2.6 features |
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| 15:09.22 | jbevren | prpplague: oh |
| 15:09.23 | jbevren | duh |
| 15:09.25 | jbevren | thanks :D |
| 15:09.30 | jbevren | I'm just randomly browsing atm hehe |
| 15:10.04 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe yea, i do that too |
| 15:10.31 | prpplague | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CES10719 |
| 15:10.56 | prpplague | that should work on the pixtermm without a bunch of changes |
| 15:10.57 | jbevren | yep. I was just heading there :D |
| 15:11.09 | prpplague | same resolution too |
| 15:11.29 | jbevren | and it has an offscreen area to add fixed buttons |
| 15:11.31 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:11.36 | prpplague | yep |
| 15:11.46 | prpplague | i've been planning to order some myself |
| 15:11.52 | jbevren | hm 160x160 lcd |
| 15:11.55 | jbevren | quite cool |
| 15:15.23 | jbevren | http://www.pspilot.de/ppppiiic/ppppiiic.html |
| 15:15.26 | jbevren | info about the IIIc lcd |
| 15:19.42 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:19.51 | prpplague | module unloads now, but it segfaults |
| 15:19.53 | prpplague | :( |
| 15:20.46 | jbevren | does it segfault in-kernel? |
| 15:21.43 | prpplague | short paste |
| 15:21.45 | prpplague | 0.07 USB: usb_gadget_register_driver() 'g_serial' |
| 15:21.45 | prpplague | gs_disconnect: Gadget Serial disconnected |
| 15:21.45 | prpplague | gs_unbind: Gadget Serial v2.0 unbound |
| 15:21.45 | prpplague | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000008 |
| 15:21.45 | prpplague | pgd = c02f0000 |
| 15:22.42 | jbevren | gah |
| 15:27.46 | prpplague | i think its busybox |
| 15:28.04 | prpplague | retesting with a fresh build now |
| 15:28.09 | jbevren | k |
| 15:28.37 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:28.38 | prpplague | the same |
| 15:48.21 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 15:48.29 | prpplague | chouimat: greetings |
| 15:48.38 | prpplague | chouimat: have some good brew over the weekend? |
| 15:49.13 | chouimat | prpplague: more or less ... spent saturday and sunday recovering from thursday/friday and saturday parties ;) |
| 15:49.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:49.28 | prpplague | chouimat: fun fun |
| 15:49.41 | chouimat | prpplague: the joy of being single ;) |
| 15:49.51 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe yep |
| 15:51.13 | CosmicPenguin | I was drinking rotten grape juice this weekend |
| 15:51.27 | CosmicPenguin | We had a quarter tin of flying dog on Thursday though |
| 15:51.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 15:52.20 | prpplague | flying dog is some good stuff |
| 15:52.28 | chouimat | flying dog? |
| 15:52.29 | CosmicPenguin | you've tried it before? |
| 15:52.33 | prpplague | i've had few of theirs |
| 15:52.33 | CosmicPenguin | which one did you have? |
| 15:52.40 | CosmicPenguin | My favorite is in-heat wheat |
| 15:53.36 | prpplague | http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/flying-dog-doggie-style-classic-pale-ale/683/1210/ |
| 15:53.38 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: nice name ... sound like a new zeland's wine I had sometimes ago: Cat pee on a grosebery bush |
| 15:53.43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats what we drank on Thursday |
| 15:53.57 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:54.16 | prpplague | this is what i wrote - definetly a buy again brew. nice aroma with a copper red color, mild flavor with ciric overtones, and a mild finish. this is a little light on the hops, but this is a brew i'd by a six pack of just to drink at leisure. |
| 15:54.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: a little trivia for you - the flying dog brewery was approved for the first whiskey distillery ever in Utah |
| 15:54.28 | CosmicPenguin | s/Utah/Colorado/ |
| 15:54.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 15:54.41 | CosmicPenguin | In fact - the first one west of the Mississippi |
| 15:54.48 | CosmicPenguin | They just started selling this year |
| 15:54.53 | prpplague | interesting |
| 15:55.18 | CosmicPenguin | The first run was sold in little kegs, but that was completely sold out years ago |
| 15:55.24 | CosmicPenguin | I'm waiting for the next run |
| 15:55.32 | chouimat | prpplague: http://www.nobleestates.com/Products/CoopersCat.htm |
| 15:55.33 | prpplague | thats cool |
| 15:56.12 | prpplague | chouimat: interesting |
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| 15:57.16 | chouimat | prpplague: my brother and I bought the wine because we liked the name ;) and it's a good white wine to drink in the afternoon around the pool ... with some apertizers |
| 15:57.59 | prpplague | chouimat: or get some french canadian women drunk? |
| 15:58.11 | chouimat | prpplague: s/french// |
| 15:58.21 | CosmicPenguin | like shooting fish in a barrel |
| 15:59.00 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm not picky ... just need to fit in the following category: tall, slim, intelligent and hot |
| 15:59.32 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:59.32 | CosmicPenguin | And failing that, short, fat, stupid and ugly probably works in a pinch |
| 15:59.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: "i've got chocolate......" hehe |
| 16:00.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that works well too |
| 16:00.08 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:00.17 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: nah I that point I'm so drunk that even a bottle of viagra can't get it working ;) |
| 16:05.36 | chouimat | http://www.embeddedarm.com/epc/prod-matrix-arm.php |
| 16:05.58 | prpplague | yea, there is a ep93xx channel for people working on those |
| 16:06.13 | prpplague | chouimat: you need to get a pixter instead, hehe |
| 16:06.24 | prpplague | chouimat: we need someone to do some good gui work |
| 16:06.31 | chouimat | prpplague: url? |
| 16:06.45 | CosmicPenguin | I love how much publicity Damn Small Linux gets - its all BS |
| 16:06.55 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/PixterMultimedia |
| 16:07.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, it does seem strange |
| 16:07.11 | CosmicPenguin | We've been doing that for years |
| 16:07.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea thats what i was about to say |
| 16:07.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hell abcsinc had almost all of the dsl stuff in 16mb |
| 16:07.45 | CosmicPenguin | Its funny how far ahead of the curve we are sometimes |
| 16:07.59 | chouimat | prpplague: how much for that nice little baby? |
| 16:08.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, well, being that far ahead usually puts you too far out from people who will pay you |
| 16:08.14 | jbevren | chouimat: depends on where you get it |
| 16:08.18 | jbevren | prices range from 30 to 80 bucks |
| 16:08.21 | prpplague | chouimat: ebay around $25USD |
| 16:08.26 | chouimat | nice |
| 16:08.27 | jbevren | nod |
| 16:08.33 | jbevren | I figured out jtag on it |
| 16:08.36 | jbevren | :D |
| 16:09.24 | chouimat | /me goes read the specs |
| 16:10.24 | CosmicPenguin | argh! |
| 16:10.30 | jbevren | arr matie! |
| 16:11.07 | prpplague | yo ho ho and a bottle of rum |
| 16:11.56 | chouimat | prpplague: how much ram? |
| 16:12.06 | prpplague | 4mb |
| 16:12.08 | prpplague | :( |
| 16:12.11 | prpplague | a little small |
| 16:12.14 | prpplague | but usuable |
| 16:17.31 | chouimat | prpplague: it's a little more than the lpc2138 I had to work with last years ... was fun to write a gui for it :( |
| 16:17.50 | prpplague | chouimat: oh you did a gui for the lpc2138? |
| 16:17.52 | prpplague | chouimat: cool |
| 16:18.25 | CosmicPenguin | wow - linus has a boat loat of new crap in his kernel |
| 16:18.35 | CosmicPenguin | this is going to be a very long cycle |
| 16:19.00 | chouimat | prpplague: PITA ... because I also had to drive a sj1000 (?) so I had to simulate to lock the "BUS" for each read/write of each device ... |
| 16:19.09 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 16:19.25 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: Linus is a guy - he has this new operating system he just invented |
| 16:19.28 | CosmicPenguin | you may have read about it |
| 16:20.33 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: :) |
| 16:20.44 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - this Buffett thing is huge |
| 16:21.08 | CosmicPenguin | Aaron Spelling died |
| 16:21.17 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - end of an era of cheesy dramas |
| 16:23.57 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:34.04 | chouimat | ARRRRGGGGGGGGG |
| 16:34.15 | prpplague | yo ho ho and a bottle of rum |
| 16:34.47 | chouimat | prpplague: powersupply just died |
| 16:35.34 | chouimat | prpplague: thanks |
| 16:39.16 | prpplague | chouimat: my home pc hd died over the weekend |
| 16:39.43 | prpplague | chouimat: put it in the frig overnight, was about to boot it next morning, hehe |
| 16:41.19 | chouimat | prpplague: I have a spare 200W :( |
| 16:43.47 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: ping |
| 16:44.04 | T0mW | eh? |
| 16:44.20 | chouimat | prpplague: I think I know the problem ... just need to vaccum the powersupply |
| 16:44.26 | prpplague | T0mW: hey, what flash chips are on the webal dimm module? |
| 16:44.34 | prpplague | T0mW: i don't have one handy |
| 16:45.31 | T0mW | prpplague: Fairchild(?) 29F800B-90FTN |
| 16:45.41 | T0mW | Fujitsu? |
| 16:46.03 | T0mW | prolly Fujitsu, IIRC Fairchild semi is defunct |
| 16:46.13 | CosmicPenguin | but they wern't when the webpals were made |
| 16:46.34 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh thanks |
| 16:46.37 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: yeah, heh, ancient technology |
| 16:47.19 | prpplague | hmm |
| 16:47.27 | prpplague | T0mW: there a datasheet online somewhere? |
| 16:47.38 | T0mW | eh, maaaaybe |
| 16:47.48 | CosmicPenguin | anything is possible |
| 16:48.12 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:48.15 | prpplague | np |
| 16:48.18 | prpplague | was just curious |
| 16:48.24 | T0mW | prpplague: try AMD: AM29F800B |
| 16:48.31 | CosmicPenguin | those guys suck! |
| 16:48.36 | prpplague | T0mW: i really need something with some NOR flash thats easy to prototype with |
| 16:48.44 | T0mW | yeah, AMD has lousy chips |
| 16:48.53 | CosmicPenguin | Its because of their crappy engineers |
| 16:49.31 | T0mW | prpplague: all you can get is fine pitch devices, the 0.100" pin devices are obsolete |
| 16:49.35 | T0mW | heh |
| 16:49.49 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i know |
| 16:50.11 | prpplague | T0mW: thats why i was saying i need to find some off the shelf device that i can use to hack/proto NOR flash |
| 16:50.28 | prpplague | T0mW: for NAND i can use xD and SmartMedia |
| 16:50.30 | T0mW | good luck |
| 16:50.34 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:50.56 | T0mW | prpplague: hey! time for you to build that first PCB! |
| 16:51.04 | prpplague | http://www.saelig.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=SMD |
| 16:52.14 | prpplague | T0mW: the tsop2 is what i need |
| 16:52.26 | T0mW | ROTFLMFAO : "Using Patented layout techniques ..." |
| 16:52.38 | prpplague | T0mW: plus i'm not sure how well i could solder that fine pitch |
| 16:53.26 | prpplague | i think they already are, hehe |
| 16:53.52 | T0mW | "an adaptive system of affixing footwear to an individual level of comfort" |
| 16:54.01 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:54.03 | T0mW | "an adaptive system of affixing footwear with an individual level of comfort" |
| 16:54.28 | prpplague | still, i wish i could find some off the shelf cartridge or device that has some 3.3v NOR flash |
| 16:54.40 | T0mW | then I'm gonna sue Nike |
| 16:54.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:54.59 | prpplague | http://www.omega-research.co.uk/tsop2.GIF |
| 16:55.08 | prpplague | those are perfect, just very expensive |
| 16:55.13 | prpplague | around $17 each |
| 16:56.24 | prpplague | T0mW: i need a better soldering station and a microscope |
| 16:56.38 | T0mW | toaster oven |
| 16:56.53 | prpplague | T0mW: you use a microscope? |
| 16:57.03 | prpplague | T0mW: you think you could do the tsop2 in the oven? |
| 16:57.04 | T0mW | when I look for shorts, or if I'm doing cuts+jumpers, yes |
| 16:57.21 | T0mW | prpplague: I do the LPC2000 chips in the oven |
| 16:57.34 | prpplague | T0mW: those are qfp? |
| 16:57.43 | T0mW | yes |
| 16:58.05 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:59.57 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe here is one for ya - http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4432067.html |
| 17:00.04 | T0mW | http://www.standardics.philips.com/packaging/package.outlines/pdf/sot314-2.pdf |
| 17:00.39 | T0mW | 0.5mm pin center |
| 17:01.02 | T0mW | 0.22mm lead |
| 17:01.17 | T0mW | prpplague: fine enough for ya? |
| 17:02.04 | T0mW | I get some shorts, I suspect that the laser they use to make the stencils doesn't have fine enough resolution (IIRC it is 2mil res) |
| 17:02.41 | T0mW | a little chem-wick and they clear |
| 17:03.04 | prpplague | T0mW: cool |
| 17:03.08 | prpplague | http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail~dpno~641714.asp |
| 17:03.14 | prpplague | wonder what kind of flash is in that |
| 17:04.34 | T0mW | I just know that I need a jumper, somewhere |
| 17:05.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:06.07 | T0mW | I'm good, but not *that* good |
| 17:11.50 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/BayNet-4MB-Flash-Memory-Upgrade-Kit_W0QQitemZ320000190110QQihZ011QQcategoryZ172QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 17:11.56 | prpplague | wonder what kind of flash is on that |
| 17:13.18 | jbevren | http://digg.com/tech_deals/Seagate_-_400GB_PATA_Internal_hard_Drive_-_%24109_ |
| 17:13.55 | T0mW | Holy Toledo, Batman! I can see sunshine! |
| 17:17.20 | prpplague | wow looks like we have a winner, the visor 8mb expansion cartridge |
| 17:19.08 | jbevren | neat |
| 17:19.11 | jbevren | link? |
| 17:19.25 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-8mb-BACKUP-MODULE-HANDSPRING-VISOR-SPRINGBOARD_W0QQitemZ290000573820QQihZ019QQcategoryZ15007QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 17:19.36 | prpplague | jbevren: looks to be 3.3v NOR flash |
| 17:19.49 | prpplague | jbevren: with the pins for 23 address lines and 16 data |
| 17:20.06 | jbevren | url too long! hehe :) |
| 17:21.33 | prpplague | looks like there are som 16mb modules as well |
| 17:24.38 | prpplague | jbevren: plus the price looks good |
| 17:24.43 | prpplague | jbevren: think i'll order some |
| 17:36.26 | jbevren | some of the backup modules? |
| 17:36.35 | jbevren | I ordered like 5 harddisks lol |
| 17:36.42 | jbevren | I'd prolly get 12 if there wasnt a limit |
| 17:40.15 | T0mW | heh, nothing like making all your profit in the shipping |
| 17:41.40 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:42.04 | prpplague | jbevren: yea buslink 16mb flash modules for the handspring visor seem to be what i'm looking for |
| 17:42.10 | prpplague | jbevren: plus the price is right |
| 17:42.35 | T0mW | plus, they don't have to pay ebay for the > $9.99 fee |
| 17:42.36 | prpplague | argh my nose is killing me |
| 17:42.39 | prpplague | sinus's |
| 17:42.48 | jbevren | cool beans |
| 17:43.52 | prpplague | i can't seem to find any detailed info of the internals |
| 17:44.04 | prpplague | but the interface specs indicate a NOR flash |
| 17:44.40 | chouimat | prpplague: changed the powersupply but lost the HDD with my music collection ... 160GB of mp3 :( |
| 17:45.42 | prpplague | doh |
| 17:46.38 | prpplague | jbevren: for the pixtermm ? 230001978297 |
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| 17:47.32 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:47.34 | jbevren | thats pretty cool |
| 17:50.35 | chouimat | prpplague: it's fun when the hdd is plug the bios can't get the 2 hdd on the bus but when it's not plugged it work |
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| 17:52.24 | prpplague | jbevren: 9744249437 |
| 17:52.30 | prpplague | jbevren: thats really what i'd like to get |
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| 19:35.35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what is the license on buildroot? |
| 19:37.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its suppose to be GPL, but i don't see anything specifically says that |
| 19:37.47 | CosmicPenguin | heh - its just sort of out there, then? :) |
| 19:39.05 | CosmicPenguin | well, I've lovingly borrowed the idea for a buildrom script for OLPC |
| 19:39.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:40.14 | CosmicPenguin | I do feel some kinship with buildroot from the early days of tuxscreen |
| 19:41.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: andersee just pointed this out - http://uclibc.org/lists/uclibc/2006-June/015624.html |
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| 19:45.18 | CosmicPenguin | wow - angry sjhill |
| 19:45.33 | CosmicPenguin | I recommend mit or bsd personally |
| 19:45.45 | CosmicPenguin | OE is MIT |
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| 21:37.56 | CosmicPenguin | ahh - using rz - just like olden days |
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| 21:59.22 | jbevren | rz is the bomb |
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