| 00:15.35 | sorphin | agaffney: i had a rack not in a house :P |
| 00:16.03 | agaffney | my office isn't very large |
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| 00:16.04 | sorphin | and bah, a rack takes 7'x19"x24" (at most 24" deep) |
| 00:16.26 | agaffney | EPC has some mini racks (17x23x23) |
| 00:16.29 | agaffney | for $50 |
| 00:16.36 | agaffney | or a few used full size for $100 |
| 00:16.39 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:16.46 | agaffney | the mini racks are ugly as hell, though |
| 00:16.53 | agaffney | they're fscking purple |
| 00:17.03 | sorphin | finally got sick of it and got a nice chatsworth aluminum rack |
| 00:17.07 | sorphin | < $100 |
| 00:17.45 | agaffney | http://www.pconramp.com/mmPCONRAMP/Images/purplerack_multi.jpg |
| 00:18.35 | agaffney | in a full size rack, how is everything powered? do the racks typically have outlets or something inside? |
| 00:19.27 | agaffney | right now, the only things I've got that are rackable are 3 24-port baystack switches (I'd only be using 1) and my Netra t1125 |
| 00:19.32 | agaffney | which would fit in the mini one |
| 00:19.45 | agaffney | but if I'm gonna get a rack, I may as well get a big one and install some other shelves in it |
| 00:19.52 | agaffney | to stick some of the other stuff in |
| 00:29.11 | agaffney | sorphin: where'd you get your rack? |
| 00:31.38 | agaffney | someplace local? |
| 00:32.03 | agaffney | you wouldn't happen to know of any local place that would give me a rack if I haul it away for them, would you? :P |
| 00:32.13 | agaffney | that's the kind of thing a truck is handy for :) |
| 00:43.10 | sorphin | agaffney: ebay |
| 00:43.27 | sorphin | as for power |
| 00:43.40 | sorphin | you can get things that go on racks for power |
| 00:43.45 | sorphin | i'm not that organized :P |
| 00:43.52 | sorphin | as for giving away |
| 00:43.53 | sorphin | no |
| 00:43.57 | sorphin | not anymore anyways |
| 00:44.08 | agaffney | I'd probably just pick up a used one at EPC |
| 00:44.13 | agaffney | just to avoid the hassle of shipping |
| 00:44.20 | agaffney | EPC is ~5 minutes from my apartment |
| 00:46.22 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:46.35 | sorphin | mine came out cheaper than epc, hehe |
| 00:46.57 | sorphin | make sure no holes are stripped |
| 00:47.05 | sorphin | and it's an aluminum ;) |
| 00:47.05 | agaffney | what do you mean? |
| 00:47.18 | sorphin | uh, if holes in the rack are stripped |
| 00:47.24 | sorphin | you won't be mounting anything with them :) |
| 00:47.24 | agaffney | ah, the mounting holes |
| 00:47.26 | agaffney | on the front |
| 00:47.27 | agaffney | ok |
| 00:47.36 | sorphin | front is a relative term ;) |
| 00:47.46 | sorphin | either side could be the front |
| 00:47.48 | sorphin | on a relay rack |
| 00:48.21 | sorphin | hold |
| 00:50.39 | sorphin | agaffney: http://wibble.captainrock.com:8090/p1010029.jpg |
| 00:50.57 | sorphin | organized a bit different now though |
| 00:50.59 | sorphin | but that's the rack |
| 00:51.10 | sorphin | bolted to the basement floor ;) |
| 00:51.24 | sorphin | took 3 diff types of drills to get the one that would do it |
| 00:51.25 | sorphin | hehe |
| 00:51.28 | sorphin | but it's stable |
| 00:52.27 | agaffney | heh |
| 00:53.00 | agaffney | is that a U1 and a U10? |
| 00:53.13 | sorphin | the mac mini is on a 2U shelf w/ the dsl modem now |
| 00:53.15 | sorphin | no |
| 00:53.28 | sorphin | there's no U1 |
| 00:53.32 | agaffney | U5? |
| 00:53.37 | sorphin | U5 and SS20 |
| 00:53.39 | agaffney | or SS20? |
| 00:53.42 | agaffney | ah |
| 00:53.45 | sorphin | but the SS20's are not in the rack now |
| 00:53.55 | sorphin | current rack order |
| 00:54.00 | sorphin | Catalyst |
| 00:54.03 | sorphin | Cisco 2511 |
| 00:54.24 | sorphin | CP604/Juniper Olive |
| 00:54.31 | sorphin | DSL modem - Mac Mini |
| 00:54.40 | sorphin | Empty 6U |
| 00:54.46 | sorphin | KVM |
| 00:54.55 | agaffney | is that open on the sides? |
| 00:55.06 | sorphin | 4xCrystal PC |
| 00:55.10 | sorphin | VA Linux Box |
| 00:55.16 | sorphin | 4U p4 |
| 00:55.23 | sorphin | 3x 2U cases |
| 00:55.27 | sorphin | I2 and Ultra 30 |
| 00:55.29 | sorphin | uh |
| 00:55.29 | sorphin | yeah |
| 00:55.33 | sorphin | it's a relay rack |
| 00:55.35 | sorphin | not a 4 post rack |
| 00:56.56 | sorphin | http://myweb.thump.net/1822/cabinet/blackrack.jpg |
| 00:57.00 | sorphin | that's how a relay rack looks |
| 00:57.08 | sorphin | takes less space than a 4 post |
| 00:58.55 | agaffney | hmm |
| 00:59.03 | agaffney | I really have no idea what I'm looking for :P |
| 01:00.07 | sorphin | we use this sort of rack at work in the CO |
| 01:00.09 | sorphin | and the lab |
| 01:00.31 | sorphin | 4 post racks aren't really necessary unless you're racking up really huge crap |
| 01:00.33 | sorphin | and even then |
| 01:00.45 | sorphin | none of our Sunfires or big suns are in 4 post |
| 01:01.04 | agaffney | http://i7.ebayimg.com/01/i/05/4f/9c/ef_1.JPG |
| 01:01.09 | agaffney | I guess that's what I'm looking for |
| 01:01.39 | agaffney | well, I plan on racking the Netra (a good 50lbs. or so) and installing shelves on rails to put a few non-rackmounts boxes in there |
| 01:02.42 | sorphin | uh |
| 01:02.45 | sorphin | that's overkill dude |
| 01:02.51 | sorphin | my 4U case |
| 01:02.55 | sorphin | is over 50lbs |
| 01:03.04 | sorphin | hell, all 4 crystals are about 50lbs |
| 01:03.10 | sorphin | the Ultra30 ? |
| 01:03.29 | sorphin | i'm just using rack shelves for the non rackable stuff |
| 01:03.31 | sorphin | *and* |
| 01:03.51 | sorphin | most of the shelves can be reinforced if you need a heavy load to use the back screws on the rack too |
| 01:03.57 | sorphin | what you're looking at |
| 01:03.59 | sorphin | is a 4 post |
| 01:04.02 | sorphin | way too big |
| 01:04.10 | sorphin | hell, we're a backbone ISP |
| 01:04.15 | sorphin | and we dont' even use those anymore |
| 01:04.15 | sorphin | lol |
| 01:04.30 | sorphin | our big boxes sit on shelves on relay racks |
| 01:04.42 | agaffney | hmm |
| 01:04.42 | sorphin | hell, cisco 12000 series fit on them nicely |
| 01:04.43 | sorphin | lol |
| 01:04.46 | sorphin | those are WELL over 50lbs |
| 01:04.47 | sorphin | lol |
| 01:04.53 | sorphin | here |
| 01:04.57 | sorphin | the rack i showed you |
| 01:04.59 | sorphin | (mine) |
| 01:05.02 | sorphin | 500lbs |
| 01:05.02 | sorphin | max |
| 01:05.15 | sorphin | and it's probably hold more |
| 01:05.18 | sorphin | but that's what it's rated at |
| 01:05.20 | sorphin | lol |
| 01:05.51 | agaffney | http://cgi.ebay.com/19-Chatsworth-Rack-72-84-Inch-Post-Relay-Rack_W0QQitemZ9708227108QQcategoryZ20316QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 01:05.58 | agaffney | so something like that is all I'd really need? |
| 01:06.33 | sorphin | yes |
| 01:06.36 | sorphin | that's the rack i have |
| 01:06.40 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:06.48 | sorphin | CPI (chatsword Products Inc) |
| 01:06.51 | sorphin | makes the best racks |
| 01:07.03 | sorphin | that's the rack to get dude |
| 01:07.14 | sorphin | it's called a relay rack or a telecom rack |
| 01:07.32 | agaffney | it just doesn't make sense to me how that could support something like the Netra or a shelf |
| 01:07.37 | sorphin | uh |
| 01:07.38 | agaffney | how is the back supported? |
| 01:07.40 | sorphin | look at my rack |
| 01:07.41 | sorphin | :P |
| 01:07.51 | sorphin | everything in there weighs more than a netra |
| 01:07.52 | sorphin | lol |
| 01:07.55 | sorphin | THAT rack |
| 01:07.58 | sorphin | is the rack i have |
| 01:08.13 | agaffney | ah |
| 01:08.16 | agaffney | well then :P |
| 01:08.16 | sorphin | you either bolt to the floor, or use what's called a ladder |
| 01:08.25 | sorphin | however |
| 01:08.28 | agaffney | well, I can't bolt it to the floor |
| 01:08.30 | sorphin | and let me finish |
| 01:08.35 | sorphin | the weight |
| 01:08.41 | sorphin | will hold the rack down :P |
| 01:08.43 | sorphin | i had my rakc |
| 01:08.46 | sorphin | sitting on CARPET |
| 01:08.49 | sorphin | at the condo |
| 01:08.52 | sorphin | in the basement |
| 01:08.58 | sorphin | the sheer weight |
| 01:09.00 | sorphin | holds it down |
| 01:09.08 | sorphin | as long as you don't go too deep |
| 01:09.15 | sorphin | the rack will hold itself down |
| 01:09.36 | sorphin | mine never tipped |
| 01:09.41 | sorphin | and wasn't bolted |
| 01:09.50 | sorphin | how deep is the netra? |
| 01:10.15 | sorphin | hell, i'd help you set the rack up :P |
| 01:12.12 | agaffney | 19.5" deep |
| 01:12.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:12.53 | agaffney | weight looks like right around 50lbs. |
| 01:12.56 | sorphin | you'd be fine |
| 01:13.08 | sorphin | you just won't put it at the top of the rack ;) |
| 01:13.08 | sorphin | hehe |
| 01:13.24 | sorphin | heavy deep stuff goes lower |
| 01:13.28 | sorphin | balance the rack |
| 01:13.35 | sorphin | i.e. |
| 01:13.40 | sorphin | look at the shelf at the bottom |
| 01:13.45 | sorphin | where my I2 and U30 are |
| 01:13.53 | sorphin | those right there would hold the rack |
| 01:13.55 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:13.55 | agaffney | heh |
| 01:14.04 | agaffney | my Octane looks to be ~75lbs. |
| 01:14.07 | sorphin | i'm just trying to help you out |
| 01:14.13 | sorphin | but ultimately |
| 01:14.13 | agaffney | and I appreciate it |
| 01:14.14 | sorphin | it's your call |
| 01:17.04 | agaffney | I'm already asking about shipping cost for a few auctions |
| 01:17.10 | agaffney | thanks for the help |
| 01:17.29 | agaffney | a rack like this wouldn't be anywhere near as much of an eyesore as a cabinet :P |
| 01:17.57 | agaffney | and I could shove it back in the corner between my 2 "desks" |
| 01:18.41 | sorphin | yep |
| 01:18.47 | sorphin | mine's to the left of my desk |
| 01:18.58 | sorphin | and unlike that 4 poster |
| 01:19.06 | sorphin | you only need as deep as your deepest machine |
| 01:19.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:19.21 | agaffney | I've got a 2'x3' "hole" in the corner of this room |
| 01:19.25 | agaffney | next to the window |
| 01:19.31 | agaffney | it would work well there |
| 01:21.35 | sorphin | yep |
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| 01:35.41 | sorphin | i forget how much my shipping was... they ship it broken down, just a couple wrenches to pop it back together |
| 01:36.30 | agaffney | yeah, I doubt it'll be that much |
| 01:38.20 | sorphin | taht chatsworth rack is a good rack though |
| 01:38.31 | sorphin | wish i'd gotten it the 1st time instead of hte 2nd |
| 01:38.32 | sorphin | lol |
| 01:38.42 | agaffney | heh |
| 01:38.45 | sorphin | that 1st rack was a $75 piece of steel crap that the holes stripped |
| 01:38.49 | agaffney | bleh |
| 01:38.51 | sorphin | WITH the screw it CAME with! |
| 01:38.54 | sorphin | screws |
| 01:39.18 | sorphin | prolly not, but screws are cheap |
| 01:39.46 | sorphin | i think these racks use 12-24 |
| 01:39.52 | sorphin | i'll double check though |
| 01:39.59 | sorphin | i got a bag of screws from work |
| 01:40.00 | sorphin | lol |
| 01:41.10 | agaffney | doesn't hurt to ask :) |
| 01:42.05 | sorphin | yeah |
| 01:43.19 | sorphin | either 10-24 or 12-24 |
| 01:43.33 | agaffney | that means nothing to me :P |
| 01:43.37 | sorphin | hehe |
| 01:43.47 | sorphin | that means a #10 screw or a #12 screw |
| 01:43.51 | agaffney | I assume that's a width/length |
| 01:43.57 | sorphin | the 24 is the spacing of the threads |
| 01:44.00 | agaffney | ah |
| 01:44.02 | sorphin | fine thread |
| 01:44.53 | sorphin | ok |
| 01:44.55 | sorphin | they're 12-24 |
| 01:45.42 | sorphin | prolly could find some at braneke(sp) |
| 01:45.55 | sorphin | i still got a bunch left though |
| 01:46.02 | sorphin | might share some if you're not greedy |
| 01:46.02 | sorphin | lol |
| 01:46.04 | agaffney | http://secure.data-comm.com/RBIS/Detail.bok?no=105557 |
| 01:46.06 | agaffney | yeah, that's cheap |
| 01:46.10 | agaffney | 100 for $2.89 :) |
| 01:46.31 | sorphin | uh |
| 01:46.35 | sorphin | those are a bit long though |
| 01:46.44 | sorphin | and not rack screws :P |
| 01:46.48 | agaffney | pfft |
| 01:46.52 | sorphin | hehe |
| 01:46.58 | agaffney | you're such a downer :P |
| 01:47.17 | sorphin | yep |
| 01:47.21 | agaffney | in the good way :) |
| 01:47.23 | sorphin | though i offered to share |
| 01:47.24 | sorphin | lol |
| 01:48.24 | sorphin | my shelves came from ebay too |
| 01:48.54 | sorphin | http://i23.ebayimg.com/02/i/01/ce/79/99_1.JPG |
| 01:48.57 | sorphin | that's a rack screw |
| 01:48.57 | sorphin | hehe |
| 01:49.16 | sorphin | though those have plastic 'washers' to protect from overtightening on the rack |
| 01:50.00 | agaffney | ah |
| 01:50.34 | sorphin | ebay item: 9707694363 |
| 01:51.19 | agaffney | ah, perfect |
| 01:51.29 | sorphin | hehe |
| 01:51.45 | agaffney | I'll grab it once I get a rack :) |
| 01:52.09 | sorphin | if you want i'll help you get set up |
| 01:52.10 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:52.17 | agaffney | I may take you up on that |
| 01:55.54 | sorphin | k |
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| 02:54.17 | agaffney | hmm, $95 w/ shipping |
| 02:54.20 | agaffney | for the rack |
| 02:54.24 | agaffney | seems like a bit much |
| 03:52.25 | sorphin | how's that much? |
| 03:52.36 | sorphin | try pricing a NEW rack :P |
| 03:52.52 | sorphin | ok so you were gonna pay EPC for a junker |
| 03:53.00 | sorphin | but you bitch about $95 shipped for a good rack |
| 03:55.02 | silverpower | agaffney: Better to cough up the money now for a good rack than buying a junker or just piling up equipment at random. |
| 04:03.15 | agaffney | bought :P |
| 04:03.22 | agaffney | rack and screws |
| 04:03.32 | silverpower | agaffney: enjoy it. |
| 04:03.38 | silverpower | g'night. :) |
| 04:03.40 | agaffney | 'night |
| 04:03.49 | agaffney | sorphin: thanks for helping to pick it out ;) |
| 04:26.04 | sorphin | agaffney: right |
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| 12:59.26 | sorphin | GPSFan: mornin sir |
| 12:59.31 | sorphin | ~fishslap prpplague |
| 12:59.33 | purl | ACTION slaps prpplague up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 13:09.13 | GPSFan | sorphin: g'day, keep those fish under control, please. ;>) |
| 13:09.30 | sorphin | GPSFan: you're safe |
| 13:09.38 | sorphin | GPSFan: they only seem to like dave |
| 13:10.22 | sorphin | GPSFan: how's things? |
| 13:11.32 | GPSFan | sorphin: looks like rain today, need a few more days of dry weather. computer stuff is mostly on hold for a while. |
| 13:13.20 | sorphin | ah |
| 13:13.32 | sorphin | yeah, gotta get the farm going for the spring/summer |
| 13:15.14 | GPSFan | yeah, this is our busiest time of year, lambs due in another week or 2, irrigation work, brush from pruneing needs to be cleared, etc. |
| 13:20.02 | prpplague | wheee |
| 13:20.07 | prpplague | got a winmodem working |
| 13:20.37 | jbevren | wee |
| 13:23.09 | prpplague | configuring a dial in ppp connection |
| 13:46.00 | GPSFan | prpplague: I thought you & anything "Win" were divorced. |
| 13:47.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: normally yes, i had a stack of winmodems, and i need one to use as a dial up ppp |
| 13:49.35 | GPSFan | so now that you have them integrated with linux, we should call them "linmodems" or maybe "plaguemodems" ;>) |
| 13:52.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, i think they already call them linmodems |
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| 14:10.48 | prpplague | T0mW: hey |
| 14:10.57 | T0mW | morning |
| 14:11.13 | prpplague | T0mW: what the heck was that all about on the zipit yahoo mailing list with the post on hackaday? |
| 14:11.35 | T0mW | I dunno? |
| 14:12.01 | T0mW | prpplague: what are you referring to? |
| 14:12.29 | T0mW | prpplague: you mean "Hi Dave!" ? |
| 14:12.31 | prpplague | T0mW: two or three guys started arguing over something about the hackaday post |
| 14:12.53 | prpplague | T0mW: the moderator had to step and in asked them to stop posting |
| 14:13.28 | T0mW | oh, that must have been on the other zipit list, I subscribe to the zipit-wireless |
| 14:13.56 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:14.12 | T0mW | is there more activity on the zipit list? |
| 14:14.54 | prpplague | T0mW: there is a some |
| 14:15.06 | prpplague | T0mW: didn't know aobut the wireless group |
| 14:16.23 | prpplague | T0mW: zipitwirless or zipit-wireless? |
| 14:16.32 | T0mW | well, I'm commited to useing SD cards. I just got in another 14 mini-SD sockets. |
| 14:16.40 | jbevren | :) |
| 14:17.07 | T0mW | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zipitwireless/ |
| 14:17.15 | prpplague | T0mW: yea thats the one i'm talking about |
| 14:17.29 | prpplague | T0mW: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zipitwireless/message/1428 |
| 14:18.10 | T0mW | I don't think that I'm getting all the messages from Yahoo. Sometimes when I post, I don't get a copy, then later I'll go up to their HTML site and there my post is. |
| 14:18.56 | T0mW | maybe they only retry the SMTP transfer once or twice, and then drop the message? |
| 14:19.42 | T0mW | it is weird sometimes to find someone answering a thread that I've never seen the first couple of messages. |
| 14:19.57 | prpplague | T0mW: anyway, i still haven't figured what the argument was about |
| 14:20.16 | jbevren | existx: remind me what your sharp latptop' smodel is |
| 14:20.19 | jbevren | grr wrong window |
| 14:22.13 | T0mW | yeah, that is another message I missed. Someone was emailing me directly about zipit stuff. Since his message content was so germane to discussions held on the list, I asked him to post there. |
| 14:22.56 | T0mW | he said he was getting the message feed (posting sent to him as a subscriber) but Yahoo refused to allow him to post. |
| 14:23.53 | T0mW | prpplague: well, anyway, those LPC2138 processors must be making Philips very happy. They are backordered until sometime in June. No stock anywheres |
| 14:24.08 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 14:24.53 | T0mW | prpplague: seems demand has been higher than anticipated. Heh, I just finished another board layout using that processor and have been begging the Sales Reps for two of them. |
| 14:25.01 | T0mW | just to prototype with |
| 14:27.28 | prpplague | T0mW: sparkfun is out? |
| 14:27.51 | T0mW | they don't sell chips |
| 14:28.12 | prpplague | you sure? |
| 14:28.16 | T0mW | Digikey is out, arrow has no stock, mouser has no stock. Worldwide there is no stock. |
| 14:28.17 | prpplague | i could sworn they sold them |
| 14:29.08 | T0mW | people in Asia and Europe have asked on the LPC2000 mailing list for inventory elsewhere. |
| 14:31.20 | T0mW | prpplague: I have one extra processor here, plus one I could maybe take off the version A prototype. |
| 14:31.49 | T0mW | how do you remove a QFP and not destroy it? heh |
| 14:31.54 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:32.19 | prpplague | T0mW: thats kinda like saying you'll get married to woman and things _won't_ change |
| 14:33.02 | T0mW | I've done it before, it takes rosin + solderwick to suck the pins "dry", then under a microscope, use an Xacto knife to break the pins free of the pads. Hard not to bend them though. |
| 14:33.13 | T0mW | prpplague: hee hee |
| 14:33.20 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm sparkfun does sell the lpc2138 but its out of stock - http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=520 |
| 14:33.32 | T0mW | prpplague: life does get different when there is a woman around 24/7 |
| 14:44.29 | prpplague | fun fun fun |
| 14:44.49 | prpplague | T0mW: boss is pushing really hard on this particular project |
| 14:45.06 | prpplague | T0mW: kinda worried we are going way too fast |
| 14:45.22 | prpplague | T0mW: mistakes are made when going this fast |
| 14:45.41 | T0mW | agreed |
| 14:49.59 | T0mW | I need a tiny connector for the JTAG stuff. This 0.1" (2.54mm) header is too huge! |
| 14:50.48 | prpplague | T0mW: got just the thing |
| 14:51.12 | T0mW | yeah? |
| 14:51.52 | T0mW | I added a 32KHz crystal to the board as an afterthought and the JTAG is crowding that crystal. |
| 14:52.29 | prpplague | T0mW: crap can't find the url |
| 14:52.31 | prpplague | give me a sec |
| 14:53.02 | T0mW | <sigh> either way, I have to move a section of traces + parts, pull them out of the way to get more room over in that area of the pcb. |
| 14:53.33 | T0mW | I do love to do board layout, it means that I'm creating something new |
| 14:55.59 | T0mW | prpplague: hey, don't sweat the url, IIRC, you gave it to me a while ago, I may have it here. |
| 14:56.06 | T0mW | prpplague: work on your stuff |
| 14:57.33 | T0mW | prpplague: hey, what's funny about this new board is that this is the board I originally proposed to them. that was before they got peripherial happy and wanted to add tons of I/O to the design. ;) |
| 14:58.02 | T0mW | now they want a "bargain special", cheap version, that they can OEM. |
| 14:58.08 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.softbaugh.com/Show.cfm?strPartNo=JFPC |
| 14:58.50 | T0mW | yeah, that is what I'm thinking, 0.5mm FPC. |
| 14:59.55 | prpplague | T0mW: there is another with a small connector similiar to whats on the gumtix boards |
| 15:00.27 | T0mW | trouble is that sometimes you need a search engine just to search your bookmarks. |
| 15:00.52 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 15:02.32 | T0mW | prpplague: http://www.adapters.com/prod_serv/JTAG_extender_cable.htm |
| 15:02.51 | T0mW | I knew I bookmark the prior one |
| 15:05.10 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh yea thats the one i was looking for |
| 15:05.49 | T0mW | .325" X .210" footprint, only 500 insertion cycles, but good enough for protos |
| 15:11.33 | T0mW | prpplague: another bookmark folder for jtag? ;) |
| 15:28.06 | prpplague | crap, go some unmacthed brackets somewhere |
| 15:28.12 | prpplague | i hate it when that happens |
| 15:37.51 | prpplague | ho ho freakin ho |
| 15:55.27 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:57.38 | sorphin | holy zipitspam batman |
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| 16:53.55 | T0mW | freenode is screwed up |
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| 16:54.49 | prpplague | T0mW: re |
| 16:55.08 | prpplague | T0mW: you got yourself one of those enc28j60 chips yet? |
| 16:55.14 | T0mW | prpplague: that second jtag thing we looked at? $115 |
| 16:55.24 | T0mW | prpplague: no need, as yet. |
| 16:56.56 | prpplague | T0mW: no, its a spi based 10baseT chip |
| 16:58.19 | prpplague | http://www.edtp.com/ft_page.htm |
| 16:58.41 | prpplague | i was thinking of connecting one to parport |
| 16:58.52 | prpplague | hehe you know for old laptops without nics |
| 16:59.05 | prpplague | i've already got the driver working for my arm devices |
| 16:59.09 | T0mW | that softbaugh JTAG thingy is only $9, guess which one I'm getting? |
| 17:04.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:04.43 | prpplague | duh i dun know |
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| 17:14.42 | T0mW | forget that softbaugh thingy no space savings over 2.54mm header. :( |
| 17:15.46 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:15.55 | prpplague | T0mW: i figured as much |
| 17:16.31 | prpplague | T0mW: you could do some sort of pin cushion |
| 17:17.27 | T0mW | pretty bad when the JTAG connector is larger than the processor |
| 17:17.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:23.09 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:23.28 | jbevren | do it pixter-style |
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| 17:38.58 | T0mW | finally, freed the crystal area up, now to do it "right" |
| 17:57.51 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 18:00.09 | T0mW | ok, finished. Now to "live" with the board for a day or so, just to see that I've not forgotten any electronics. Or missed wiring a supply line to some chip. :/ |
| 18:00.44 | jbevren | allo existx |
| 18:00.53 | T0mW | you never find all the electrical problems with the first proto design. |
| 18:00.54 | jbevren | existx: http://elinux.org/wiki |
| 18:01.11 | jbevren | unless youre T0mW.. er.. god. |
| 18:01.36 | T0mW | never, never happened to me. And I know I am not GOD! |
| 18:03.35 | existx | god 2.0? |
| 18:03.54 | T0mW | yeah, like GF-2.0 |
| 18:04.08 | T0mW | & WIFE-0.1 |
| 18:05.57 | existx | score |
| 18:14.08 | prpplague | isn't wife-0.1 some sort of phising app? |
| 18:14.33 | jbevren | yep |
| 18:14.44 | jbevren | you sign up for it and your money goes out the window |
| 18:21.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:27.58 | prpplague | wow, i've almost got this gadget driver completely working |
| 19:20.04 | jbevren | lots of fm tuner ICs with I2C control, but none with actual documentation |
| 19:20.06 | jbevren | handy |
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| 19:28.27 | prpplague | had this monitor for less that two weeks and i'm already getting wavy lines |
| 19:30.32 | jbevren | prpplague: move it to a different wall |
| 19:30.35 | jbevren | (just try it) |
| 19:31.13 | jbevren | my friend discovered a rather loaded electrical line in one of his walls because his display had the same issue |
| 19:58.31 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i think the video cable was too close to power cord |
| 20:03.29 | jbevren | CONCUR |
| 20:03.44 | agaffney | I just had to migrate 5 computers off of a domain *after* it had been disconnected from the network the domain controller was on |
| 20:03.59 | agaffney | *and* preserve the contents of the domain accounts for the new local users |
| 20:04.41 | agaffney | and *now* they tell me that there was more data on the domain controller that they needed |
| 20:04.49 | agaffney | when 5 weeks ago they said I already had all of it |
| 20:05.06 | agaffney | this isn't the company I work for |
| 20:05.14 | agaffney | but my boss is a 1/3 owner of it |
| 20:05.19 | agaffney | and they're downstairs in the same building |
| 20:05.24 | agaffney | so I get whored out :P |
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| 22:27.50 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
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| 22:35.49 | prpplague | hey joe_bleau whatcha know? |
| 22:36.04 | joe_bleau | Nada. |
| 22:36.10 | joe_bleau | Working late? |
| 22:36.45 | prpplague | hehe gerry rigged a dialup ppp connection to the office |
| 22:36.57 | prpplague | joe_bleau: still waiting on my adsl at home to be installed |
| 22:37.36 | joe_bleau | That explains why you were so quick on the trigger. Just waiting for someone to ask about your connection, huh? ;-) |
| 22:37.46 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:37.53 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:38.09 | prpplague | joe_bleau: using some old winmodems too |
| 22:38.17 | prpplague | joe_bleau: fun getting them to work under linux |
| 22:38.30 | prpplague | joe_bleau: pretty peppy performance |
| 22:39.55 | joe_bleau | Oh, I get it. I was kinda slow on the 'ppp' reference there... |
| 22:40.04 | prpplague | hehe, np |
| 22:40.39 | prpplague | seem to be getting about 33.6 out of them |
| 22:41.38 | joe_bleau | We've actually had requests from customers to place embedded modems in our hardware, |
| 22:41.52 | joe_bleau | to allow us to do remote/dial-up diagnostics. |
| 22:42.37 | prpplague | joe_bleau: would be easy to do |
| 22:42.37 | prpplague | joe_bleau: what kind of hardware? |
| 22:42.49 | joe_bleau | Full up custom industrial control stuff. |
| 22:43.10 | joe_bleau | I've pretty much nixed it, though. |
| 22:43.17 | prpplague | oh? |
| 22:43.26 | joe_bleau | Tough enough getting paid when we deliver a firmware upgrade through the 'net |
| 22:43.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:43.37 | joe_bleau | I can't imagine getting paid for fixing a machine if we never showed up. |
| 22:43.47 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 22:44.00 | joe_bleau | Besides, 90% of the problems are pneumatic or wiring related, and remote diags don't really help in those cases. |
| 22:44.02 | prpplague | joe_bleau: had a similir problem at the company i worked for last |
| 22:44.12 | joe_bleau | Got to have someone on site to get the signature! |
| 22:45.12 | joe_bleau | Ever mess around with using sdram as nonvolatile memory (battery backed, self refresh)? |
| 22:47.06 | jbevren | isnt sram smarter? |
| 22:47.32 | prpplague | uh yea, sram would be better |
| 22:47.37 | joe_bleau | I've always used sram in the past |
| 22:47.59 | prpplague | joe_bleau: sdram just requires way too much to work with, imho |
| 22:48.00 | joe_bleau | But it's a hassle on modern CPUs |
| 22:48.18 | prpplague | joe_bleau: flash is cheap |
| 22:48.20 | joe_bleau | I've seen it done on RAID controllers, but I wonder what the current drain is like. |
| 22:48.25 | joe_bleau | Flash is slow. |
| 22:48.32 | prpplague | joe_bleau: nand isn't |
| 22:48.40 | joe_bleau | 200 updates/minute? |
| 22:49.13 | joe_bleau | Sure, I could NMI off the power fail and maybe backup to flash. |
| 22:49.22 | prpplague | joe_bleau: hehe well not that fast |
| 22:49.25 | joe_bleau | That's my current best idea |
| 22:49.35 | joe_bleau | I2C eeprom likely to be too slow |
| 22:49.51 | joe_bleau | battery backed sram is really nice, but I don't like the price or density |
| 22:50.00 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea |
| 22:50.07 | prpplague | joe_bleau: you'd need a good host controler |
| 22:50.27 | prpplague | joe_bleau: the s3c2410 has really good sleep modes |
| 22:50.47 | joe_bleau | Don't quite see the relevance... |
| 22:50.59 | joe_bleau | Run the CPU off coin cells, too? |
| 22:51.01 | joe_bleau | Hmm. |
| 22:51.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:51.16 | joe_bleau | But what would that get me? |
| 22:51.20 | prpplague | well, maybe, not sure what you are driving todays |
| 22:51.30 | prpplague | towards |
| 22:51.40 | prpplague | damm spell completion |
| 22:51.41 | joe_bleau | big fast nonvolatile memory. |
| 22:52.01 | joe_bleau | If I could battery back sdram and put it into (auto? self?) refresh mode |
| 22:52.17 | joe_bleau | then power down, it'd be a nice replacement for static ram |
| 22:52.49 | joe_bleau | The design I have in mind can support a pretty chunky memory backup battery |
| 22:53.38 | joe_bleau | I'd rather not end up with: flash, sdram, sram, UARTs, and who knows what else all hanging off the data/address bus |
| 22:53.47 | joe_bleau | Too much to go wrong. Simple is better. |
| 22:55.46 | joe_bleau | Maybe I should find a spare JB or two, strip off all the junk, and measure sdram current drain. |
| 22:56.09 | joe_bleau | I'll bet it sucks compared to what I'm used to with sram. |
| 23:00.39 | prpplague | joe_bleau: sorry back |
| 23:00.51 | prpplague | joe_bleau: had to deal with my ankle bitter |
| 23:02.01 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, not real sure, i'm more of a software guy than hardware |
| 23:02.08 | prpplague | joe_bleau: and that ain't saying much, hehe |
| 23:02.23 | joe_bleau | One datasheet mentions 2ma in self refresh mode. Ouch. |
| 23:02.45 | joe_bleau | s/2mA/2ma/ |
| 23:06.59 | prpplague | joe_bleau: sdram is pretty power hungry compared to sram |
| 23:14.04 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:21.06 | joe_bleau | I've been keeping an eye open for a free (after rebate) sat radio. |
| 23:21.16 | joe_bleau | Seems like some have decent LCDs, and may be hackable. |
| 23:21.40 | joe_bleau | Not sure what I'd do with one, though... |
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| 23:35.14 | prpplague | sunrunner: whats cookin? |
