00:05.18 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: just booting up ppcboot will tell us whether it works or not. I'm pokeing at a 2 sided 128M dimm now trying to figure out why it doesn't work, it looks like 3 of the 4 banks are worning, but I can't get the top bank at 0x6000000 and above to work. |
00:06.11 | joe_bleau | Is this something I should summarize and stick on the Wiki, or is it so arcane no one will care. |
00:06.33 | joe_bleau | (That Wiki is so slow I avoid using it unless I *really* need to.) |
00:06.42 | GPSFan | not yet, when we figure out what's going on a wiki summery will be useful. |
00:07.18 | GPSFan | I got ppcboot 1.1.6 running out of ram, the ethernet works too. ;>) |
00:07.51 | joe_bleau | Nice. Why 1.1.6, if I may ask? |
00:08.01 | GPSFan | and I found & fixed the bss issue. it wasn't noticed untill u-boot .8 or so. |
00:08.20 | GPSFan | 1.1.6 fixed some of the ethernet problems I was having. |
00:09.04 | joe_bleau | ppc asm still seems pretty foreign. I need to find some intro docs so I'll know what's going on. |
00:09.14 | GPSFan | most of the problems I was having, especially with the ram based bl, werre due to only part of the bss area being zero'd out. |
00:09.29 | joe_bleau | No progress on docs. I'm gonna email AMCC and see why my account isn't active. |
00:10.19 | joe_bleau | Hey, are the images position independent? IOW, could I copy the existing bootloader into the empty sectors and run it there? |
00:10.46 | joe_bleau | (I noticed one of your patches involved a pic switch...) |
00:10.53 | GPSFan | no, look at /include/config_WALNUT405.h |
00:11.22 | GPSFan | the pic switch was because -mrelocatable doesn't work with newer compilers. |
00:11.54 | joe_bleau | hmm...I didn't see that. Maybe 3.2.3 is old enough not to care. |
00:12.00 | GPSFan | the code will run anywhere, but the .h file defines where certain stuff is that the bl needs to know. |
00:12.45 | joe_bleau | Oh well, just a thought. Might have made playing with flash bootloaders easier, as you'd always have a known good one to cold boot to. |
00:12.52 | GPSFan | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.0/0648.html |
00:13.42 | GPSFan | -mrelocatable was giving my toolchain fits, changed to -fPIC and it worked. |
00:13.47 | joe_bleau | version? |
00:14.23 | GPSFan | 3.4.2 |
00:14.59 | joe_bleau | My best mod yet: reset switch. |
00:15.11 | joe_bleau | ;-) |
00:15.38 | GPSFan | ;>) mine was the jtag conn. I now download the ram based version via jtag, faster than 115200 serial. |
00:16.05 | joe_bleau | That fast? Wow. I've got a 16 pin header placed, but no time to build my adapter yet. Maybe tomorrow. |
00:16.23 | GPSFan | takes about 30 seconds to load the srec file. |
00:16.31 | joe_bleau | Have you tried the Macraigor OCD remote stuff, so that you can do source level debug with gdb? |
00:17.12 | GPSFan | from what I have read, ocd remote doesn't work with a wiggler under linux. |
00:17.32 | joe_bleau | Neither does OCD Commander, yet you seem to be making progress. |
00:18.22 | GPSFan | ocd remote works with a wiggler under win?? |
00:18.40 | joe_bleau | I was hoping you'd tell me. |
00:19.00 | joe_bleau | The readme stuff implies that it does. Why else would they offer a Cygwin tool chain? |
00:19.05 | GPSFan | ocd Commander does, don't know about ocd remote. |
00:20.02 | GPSFan | probably should go back and read all that stuff, I'm just having too much fun useing it... |
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00:20.31 | GPSFan | I gotta hunt up some more memory to try, maybe this 1 dimm just doesn't work. |
00:20.43 | GPSFan | I gotta hunt up some more memory to try, maybe this 1 dimm just doesn't work. |
00:20.45 | joe_bleau | Wow. OCD setup didn't like my apps |
00:20.54 | joe_bleau | 128MB single sided: boots ok |
00:21.28 | GPSFan | really! could you post the sdram reg's that pop out at the top of the bootup? |
00:22.11 | joe_bleau | Yeah, any other commands before I power down and cut-n-paste? |
00:23.04 | GPSFan | no, jjust the top from "reading dimm" to "128M" |
00:23.07 | joe_bleau | Reading DIMM... |
00:23.07 | joe_bleau | Config timing register |
00:23.07 | joe_bleau | <PROTECTED> |
00:23.07 | joe_bleau | <PROTECTED> |
00:23.07 | joe_bleau | single-sided DIMM |
00:23.08 | joe_bleau | sdram0_pmit 7c00000 |
00:23.10 | joe_bleau | sdram0_besr0 ffffffff |
00:23.12 | joe_bleau | sdram0_besr1 ffffffff |
00:23.14 | joe_bleau | sdram0_ecccfg 0 |
00:23.16 | joe_bleau | sdram0_eccesr ffffffff |
00:23.18 | joe_bleau | sdram0_rtr 20880000 |
00:23.20 | joe_bleau | sdram0_tr 10a801a |
00:23.22 | joe_bleau | sdram0_b0cr 82001 |
00:23.24 | joe_bleau | sdram0_b1cr 0 |
00:23.26 | joe_bleau | sdram0_b2cr 4082001 |
00:23.28 | joe_bleau | sdram0_b3cr 0 |
00:23.30 | joe_bleau | sdram0_cfg 80800000 |
00:23.32 | joe_bleau | 128 MB |
00:23.34 | joe_bleau | Stack Pointer before machine check 07faef70 |
00:23.36 | joe_bleau | New Stack Pointer is: 07faef68 |
00:23.38 | joe_bleau | Relocating addr_sp 07faef68; bd 07faef8c; addr 07fd0000 |
00:23.40 | joe_bleau | Now running in RAM - PPCBoot at: 07fd0000 |
00:23.42 | joe_bleau | memstart = 0x00000000 |
00:23.44 | joe_bleau | memsize = 0x08000000 |
00:24.26 | joe_bleau | Want one that doesn't work? |
00:24.39 | GPSFan | sure |
00:24.58 | joe_bleau | Reading DIMM... |
00:24.59 | joe_bleau | Config timing register |
00:24.59 | joe_bleau | <PROTECTED> |
00:24.59 | joe_bleau | <PROTECTED> |
00:24.59 | joe_bleau | double-sided DIMM |
00:24.59 | joe_bleau | sdram0_pmit 7c00000 |
00:25.01 | joe_bleau | sdram0_besr0 ffffffff |
00:25.03 | joe_bleau | sdram0_besr1 ffffffff |
00:25.05 | joe_bleau | sdram0_ecccfg 0 |
00:25.07 | joe_bleau | sdram0_eccesr ffffffff |
00:25.09 | joe_bleau | sdram0_rtr 20880000 |
00:25.11 | joe_bleau | sdram0_tr 10a801a |
00:25.13 | joe_bleau | sdram0_b0cr 62001 |
00:25.15 | joe_bleau | sdram0_b1cr 2062001 |
00:25.17 | joe_bleau | sdram0_b2cr 4062001 |
00:25.19 | joe_bleau | sdram0_b3cr 6062001 |
00:25.21 | joe_bleau | sdram0_cfg 80800000 |
00:25.23 | joe_bleau | 128 MB |
00:25.25 | joe_bleau | Stack Pointer before machine check 07faef70 |
00:25.27 | joe_bleau | New Stack Pointer is: 07faef68 |
00:25.29 | joe_bleau | Relocating addr_sp 07faef68; bd 07faef8c; addr 07fd0000 |
00:25.31 | joe_bleau | And it hangs there. |
00:26.05 | GPSFan | yeah, that's a 2 sided one like mine. |
00:27.46 | joe_bleau | I've got another DS 128MB, also hangs. But the i2c data is different (timing, maybe?) |
00:27.55 | GPSFan | in ocd commander I can halt the proc, then do a memtest on everything up to 0x5ffffff and it;s ok (96M) above that nothing. as if the 4th bank (sdram0_b3cr) wasn't working |
00:28.12 | joe_bleau | No trace on the PCB? |
00:28.25 | GPSFan | haven't looket in detail yet. |
00:28.34 | joe_bleau | Or maybe dram controller misconfiguration? |
00:28.34 | GPSFan | can't type today... |
00:29.24 | GPSFan | the 6062001 is correct for that config from reading the source and the sdram's spd data. |
00:30.12 | GPSFan | at least a 128M single sided works. |
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00:38.19 | joe_bleau | Would a Walnut schematic be useful, you think? (I think it's a Walnut...checking.) |
00:39.08 | fishhead | CANUCK |
00:39.09 | fishhead | CANUCK |
00:39.09 | fishhead | CANUCK |
00:40.27 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: found a 256M 2 sided, interesting, banks 1 & 3 work, 2 & 4 don't... |
00:41.34 | fishhead | GPSFan, |
00:41.37 | fishhead | how many chips total |
00:42.02 | fishhead | 16 chip are the most compatible |
00:42.09 | fishhead | they worse with the max amount of boards |
00:42.17 | fishhead | in fact that's the only 256's most of my boards will take |
00:42.54 | Pablo_C | hi |
00:43.37 | GPSFan | fishhead: 16 chips on my 2 sided dimms. |
00:43.57 | fishhead | then it must just not be able to handle 256 chip peroid |
00:44.09 | fishhead | or it's spd reader is CANUCKED |
00:44.19 | fishhead | btw this thing doesn't have a clock dues it ? |
00:44.57 | fishhead | for/from |
00:45.10 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: I was wrong about the first 3 banks working on my 128M it's only banks 1 & 3, 2 & 4 don't. That's encouraging it makes more sense that 3 out of 4 working. |
00:45.36 | joe_bleau | bbl |
00:47.05 | Pablo | I have a ultrasparc board that is like that... banks one and 3 work 2 and 4 do not |
00:47.05 | fishhead | still haven't even got my unit yet :/ |
00:47.27 | silverpower | fishhead: when did you order yours? |
00:47.37 | fishhead | friday or saturday |
00:47.58 | GPSFan | fishhead: the memory controller can handle 256M, according to the spec, it reads the SPD correctly and calculates what the config registers should be set to. I've stepped through the code by hand comparing what the code got to what I got just looking at the i2c dump. I'm still not understanding everything that's going on, but things are progressing. |
00:48.13 | fishhead | ok |
00:48.45 | silverpower | ah. I haven't gotten mine yet, but I think they shipped monday, and between that and Ground shipping... |
00:49.18 | silverpower | ...we're going to have to wait a bit to make our evil little plans work. :) |
00:49.25 | GPSFan | if you don't mind being limited to single sided dimms, the ppcboot1.1.6 is just about done. only remaining thing to test is the ide code. |
00:50.04 | silverpower | GPSFan: will the dimm that usually comes with it work? |
00:50.44 | GPSFan | silverpower: oh yes, it works fine, I'm just trying to expand the envelop of what the board can do. |
00:51.13 | fishhead | GPSFAN na not a probem at all |
00:51.50 | silverpower | GPSFan: not really sure what >32mb buys you, short of trying to run X and amarok. :D |
00:52.25 | silverpower | :facepalm: s/32/64 |
00:52.50 | GPSFan | probably try to get the ide code tested in the next day or 2 then I'll be able to post a patch to 1.1.6 source, and a binary that can be run from ram for recovery, and a binary that can be flashed over the original. that will let you save the environment. |
00:53.11 | silverpower | 32mb would be a tad cramped. |
00:54.04 | GPSFan | I don't care waht you do with > 32M, I just want to know why 2 sided dimms don't work. |
00:54.13 | silverpower | GPSFan: How *do* these boards boot, anyway? |
00:55.25 | silverpower | Most older SDRAM controllers really hate high-density memory, but is this board supposed to be able to tolerate high-density SDRAM? |
00:56.17 | GPSFan | the original ppcboot 1.0.0 was overwritten by "someone" with ppcboot 1.1.2. with out intervention, tehy boot up to the ppcboot command prompt, then you get to type in some stuff and boot via tftp, or the hdd, or by loading a kernel & ramdisk image over the net or serial port. |
00:57.12 | silverpower | Any idea what it expects wrt the HDD? |
00:57.24 | silverpower | (filesystem-wise, I mean.) |
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00:57.46 | numist | hrm |
00:58.11 | GPSFan | with the update to 1.1.6, you will be able to save the environment and boot unattended form all those choices. btw the boards don't have ethernet MAC addresses. |
00:58.53 | GPSFan | silverpower: jbreven has done that and I don't really know (yet). |
00:58.58 | fishhead | cat /dev/urandom > /proc/eth_mac |
00:59.31 | GPSFan | just find an old ethernet nic that doesn't work and use it's address. |
01:00.37 | silverpower | Hmm, time to pull out the old P5 box and start testing cards to molest for MAC addresses, then. :) |
01:00.55 | numist | I can retire plenty of cards that I have lying around |
01:01.10 | fishhead | hahah |
01:01.14 | numist | so whats the story with these COM1191's |
01:01.34 | numist | whats the procedure to get them running some flavour of linux (I assume over a serial termina... |
01:01.34 | silverpower | I think I've got a couple of lousy cards that can be donated for teh cause. :D |
01:01.48 | fishhead | use realtek or ne2000 for mac's |
01:01.49 | GPSFan | everyone has several, might as well salvage something as well as parts. |
01:01.51 | fishhead | all they are good for |
01:01.51 | numist | hrm, creating a remote control on a serial interface might be a good idea too |
01:01.52 | fishhead | :P |
01:02.05 | fishhead | numist remeber it has 2 pci slots |
01:02.11 | fishhead | so you can add more i/o etc |
01:02.14 | numist | yes, one for a sound card |
01:02.28 | numist | and the other for... a wireless card, probably, since I wont run cat5 to my car... |
01:02.56 | numist | although I guess bringing the unit in wouldnt be too hard either :/ |
01:03.00 | fishhead | my dad just asked me if I want to go to the next army surplus store run |
01:03.08 | fishhead | last time I got 2 dell PII 300 laptops for $50 each |
01:03.16 | numist | nice |
01:03.17 | fishhead | I want a junk 286 or 386/486 one for dos terminal only |
01:03.25 | numist | grab some model Ms |
01:03.28 | silverpower | I've got a pile of 3Com NICs that I don't want to molest for this purpose. |
01:03.32 | fishhead | and a pentium or PII one junky one mabye busted screen for $20 for mp3 car player |
01:03.37 | silverpower | YES! Model Ms! |
01:03.41 | numist | hrm, BSD might be the right idea to put on here... |
01:03.41 | fishhead | model ms ? |
01:03.48 | numist | silverpower: all I ever use |
01:03.54 | numist | fishhead: best keyboard ever made |
01:04.00 | silverpower | fishhead: THE BEST KEYBOARD EVER. ***EVER.*** |
01:04.10 | fishhead | omnikey 101 OWNS YOUR *CANUCK* |
01:04.14 | fishhead | but I dropped all 3 of mine :( |
01:04.23 | fishhead | $400 keyboard when it came out |
01:04.31 | fishhead | they tossed 3 at work pitch black dirt |
01:04.38 | fishhead | spent all xmas vacation cleaning them |
01:04.51 | fishhead | and my stupid rolling keyboard shelves kept popping out and killed them |
01:04.56 | fishhead | so I fisted the shelves |
01:05.02 | fishhead | broken them right off the rollers for good |
01:05.05 | fishhead | felt so damn good |
01:05.10 | fishhead | *SLAM* |
01:05.34 | numist | ... |
01:05.35 | fishhead | SHELF PISS OFF FLYBACK! |
01:05.39 | fishhead | FLYBACK SMASH! |
01:05.42 | fishhead | YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE! |
01:05.57 | numist | you know.. if my model M were hit by a train, I'm very certain I could pick it up, dust it off, reconnect the cable, and keep typing |
01:06.02 | silverpower | ...erm, I think it's time to lay off the weed, fishhead. |
01:06.08 | fishhead | weed? |
01:06.16 | fishhead | na 100% all natural brain damage |
01:06.27 | fishhead | only cure is to eat a bullet |
01:06.34 | silverpower | fishhead: ahh, glue-sniffing. |
01:06.46 | fishhead | na just born this way |
01:07.28 | fishhead | i'm like the kid in "fast and the furious" |
01:08.10 | fishhead | or the guy in "untamed heart" |
01:09.01 | fishhead | or monk on usa network |
01:09.03 | fishhead | or rain man |
01:09.09 | fishhead | all pretty much rolled into a big pile of shit |
01:10.03 | silverpower | numist: agreed. I once dropped one of my Ms off a third-story balcony. The case cracked, and some of the keycaps got broken, but I retrieve it, grab a few keycaps off my junked Ms (lightning-killed controller boards), plug it in, and it WORKED. |
01:10.33 | numist | silverpower: damn straight. I'm hoping to rework mine to WUSB once the spec becomes more popular |
01:10.59 | fishhead | why not just do wireless ps/2 |
01:11.07 | fishhead | 2 wireless mcu's |
01:11.36 | silverpower | numist: and if you ever have to troubleshoot a genuine IBM PS/2 machine, they're wonderful. |
01:14.14 | fishhead | bbl |
01:14.53 | numist | silverpower: as good as a decent Sun or Apple? |
01:15.05 | numist | fishhead: there is no wireless ps2 spec |
01:15.15 | numist | I'da done bluetooth, but that spec is UGLY |
01:15.21 | fishhead | dude |
01:15.22 | numist | and EZUSB already comes in a WUSB format |
01:15.37 | fishhead | you would have to convert the ps/2 protocol to usb first |
01:15.42 | fishhead | if you leave it ps/2/serial |
01:15.43 | numist | no, actually |
01:15.47 | fishhead | just use 2 mcu's to bridge it |
01:15.57 | numist | I'd have to re-write the ENTIRE board logic in the keyboard |
01:16.03 | fishhead | yeah so don't bother |
01:16.12 | numist | since it would be battery powered, and it works on capacitance switches |
01:16.22 | fishhead | AH TRUE |
01:16.22 | numist | but, its a challenge, so I plan on using some invention and making it work |
01:16.29 | fishhead | power usage will be a bitch |
01:16.32 | numist | yep |
01:16.38 | numist | its a worthy challenge |
01:16.42 | numist | for a wireless model M |
01:16.44 | fishhead | I don't think so |
01:16.49 | fishhead | I can live with a long cord |
01:16.58 | fishhead | i'm old and tired |
01:17.43 | numist | I have enough wires going on.. plus a wireless model m is worth an infinite amount of geek points ;) |
01:18.00 | joe_bleau | Back. What's this about MAC addresses? Why bother with reusing? |
01:18.14 | numist | because you don't want to make one up thats already in use :P |
01:18.57 | joe_bleau | How many devices in your collision domain? Why not just use the local admin bit? |
01:19.04 | fishhead | test |
01:19.07 | fishhead | wow |
01:19.09 | numist | *shrug* |
01:19.11 | fishhead | vnc is usuable now |
01:19.14 | fishhead | :) |
01:19.28 | numist | good stuff |
01:19.39 | fishhead | yeah if it keeps working like this |
01:19.43 | numist | fishhead: what are you using to interface with it? |
01:20.06 | fishhead | eh? 10/100/1000 lan |
01:20.10 | fishhead | my first > 10,biut hub |
01:20.15 | fishhead | 10mnit |
01:20.16 | numist | no.. I meant to install and boot it, etc |
01:20.26 | fishhead | oh this is windows and windows |
01:20.31 | fishhead | nothing to do with the pcc |
01:20.39 | numist | bah |
01:20.50 | fishhead | just glad this laptop now can talk to the main |
01:20.53 | numist | I'd like to see one get working before I get one.. I dont have the time to do any reverse engineering |
01:20.55 | fishhead | without 19 sweconds between keys |
01:21.04 | fishhead | then hang in this channel |
01:21.18 | numist | heh, thats the idea |
01:22.58 | fishhead | man i'm fucked |
01:23.05 | fishhead | ugh bbl |
01:27.07 | joe_bleau | The real Walnut scm is dense. |
01:28.59 | numist | what are they pulling these ppc boards out of, I have to know |
01:29.58 | silverpower | numist: They look like they were designed for general evaluation or NAS. |
01:29.59 | joe_bleau | numist: take a look at http://supernova.stanford.edu/dingdong/ |
01:39.04 | numist | that page is horribly sparse |
01:41.27 | joe_bleau | Sorry, read the pdf |
01:41.42 | joe_bleau | Home audio distribution thingy |
01:41.57 | numist | yeah |
01:45.47 | numist | wow, tanner elec is way nicer than gateway here |
02:00.44 | joe_bleau | GPSFan: I'm one color short; do you know if OCD requires the /RST (not the JTAG TRST) signal? |
02:12.58 | GPSFan | I don't have mine connected, but be sure you tie pin 8 to pin 15 on the DB25. |
02:14.03 | joe_bleau | My wiggler works fine with OCD...I did a lot of JB hacking with it. |
02:14.15 | joe_bleau | 2 wire to go! |
02:22.15 | joe_bleau | Nope. |
02:22.50 | joe_bleau | yes! |
02:23.00 | joe_bleau | >reg |
02:23.00 | joe_bleau | GPR0 01FEB380 GPR1 01FAED30 |
02:23.00 | joe_bleau | GPR2 40000000 GPR3 00000000 |
02:23.00 | joe_bleau | GPR4 7C33198A GPR5 00000000 |
02:23.00 | joe_bleau | GPR6 00000000 GPR7 7C337300 |
02:23.01 | joe_bleau | GPR8 01FEB384 GPR9 0FBC5200 |
02:23.03 | joe_bleau | GPR10 00000004 GPR11 00000002 |
02:23.05 | joe_bleau | GPR12 00000000 GPR13 3FDFFFFD |
02:23.07 | joe_bleau | GPR14 01FF4400 GPR15 02050000 |
02:23.09 | joe_bleau | GPR16 EBFDD7EF GPR17 FBEDF7BA |
02:23.11 | joe_bleau | GPR18 FFDFFF6F GPR19 FFBD67F5 |
02:23.13 | joe_bleau | GPR20 FFEFF7ED GPR21 FFFFFBDD |
02:23.15 | joe_bleau | GPR22 B7FEDDFF GPR23 00002580 |
02:23.17 | joe_bleau | GPR24 40001F80 GPR25 01FD0000 |
02:23.19 | joe_bleau | GPR26 00000006 GPR27 01FD0000 |
02:23.21 | joe_bleau | GPR28 01FAEF8C GPR29 01FAEDF0 |
02:23.23 | joe_bleau | GPR30 00000030 GPR31 00000008 |
02:24.27 | joe_bleau | From OCD:word 0 20 |
02:24.27 | joe_bleau | 00000000: 53B13B2B 30033379 262FB33B 7F323230 |
02:24.48 | joe_bleau | And from ppcboot: md 0 20 |
02:24.48 | joe_bleau | 00000000: 53b13b2b 30033379 262fb33b 7f323230 S.;+0.3y&/.;.220 |
02:27.14 | numist | good god |
02:40.29 | joe_bleau | :\src\ppc\ppcboot\ppcboot.srec: downloaded 163068 bytes in 0 minutes, 23.288 |
02:40.29 | joe_bleau | seconds |
02:40.29 | joe_bleau | PC set to starting address 0x00400000 |
02:40.40 | joe_bleau | pc |
02:40.40 | joe_bleau | PC: 00400100 |
02:40.40 | joe_bleau | >go |
02:40.50 | joe_bleau | and in the terminal window... |
02:41.05 | joe_bleau | PPCBoot 1.1.2 (Jan 30 2006 - 23:30:23) |
02:41.05 | joe_bleau | CPU: IBM PowerPC 405GP Rev. E at 264 MHz (PLB=66, OPB=33, EBC=33 MHz) |
02:41.05 | joe_bleau | <PROTECTED> |
02:41.05 | joe_bleau | Board: ### No HW ID - assuming DHTWALNUT405 |
02:41.05 | joe_bleau | DRAM: |
02:41.05 | joe_bleau | Reading DIMM... |
02:41.07 | joe_bleau | single-sided DIMM |
02:41.09 | joe_bleau | 32 MB |
02:41.11 | joe_bleau | FLASH: ## Unknown FLASH on Bank 0 - Size = 0x00000000 = 0 MB |
02:41.13 | joe_bleau | *** failed *** |
02:41.15 | joe_bleau | ### ERROR ### Please RESET the board ### |
02:47.38 | fishhead | http://www.jumpers.computed.net/ |
02:51.39 | fishhead | sorry about the popup folks, apprentely that site is a fake copy of the good site that was a url of jumpers for 1000's of computer parts |
02:53.09 | fishhead | http://www.osuweb.net/~ahaning/totalhardware99/ <--- here is the right site including a complete zip file torrent! woop! |
02:57.03 | GPSFan | joe is that your ppcboot.bin, or mine? |
02:59.28 | joe_bleau | Mine. |
02:59.39 | joe_bleau | I didn't see any s-record files up |
02:59.54 | joe_bleau | Will it down a .bin file? |
03:01.08 | joe_bleau | Apparently not. |
03:05.00 | joe_bleau | I'll bet you were downloading the s-record ppcboot, or maybe the elf file? |
03:12.21 | GPSFan | you wan't an srec? I can dcc you one... |
03:13.00 | joe_bleau | Uh, I guess...(looking stupid in front of the world, here, but anyway)...what's a dcc? |
03:13.42 | joe_bleau | I'm trying to decide between reboot and test OCD remote + gdb, or try to build ppcboot with your patches. |
03:14.13 | GPSFan | I figured out the 2 sided dimm issue, banksel 0 & 2 are connected from the 405chip to the dimm socket, banksel1 & 3 are not. what bozo's... |
03:14.26 | joe_bleau | Didn't I ask earlier about the PCB trace? |
03:14.45 | joe_bleau | Betcha it's not something that we can tack on (like the webpal big dram mod) |
03:15.35 | GPSFan | you did, I just hadn't done it. it's such a short run it might be possible to tack it on. the ball pads are kinda small but they are there. |
03:16.12 | joe_bleau | I'll have to look into that...I'd love to be able to use the more available double sided ram |
03:17.03 | GPSFan | that's the dcc of the srec file it loads at 0x400000. |
03:17.55 | joe_bleau | It'll take a minute...I was messing with the JTAG clock rate. My setup is a little flaky. |
03:18.07 | GPSFan | k |
03:18.17 | joe_bleau | Looks like Walnut had all 4 banksels wired up |
03:19.09 | joe_bleau | Looks like soldermask over the vias. Crap, I hate that. |
03:19.48 | GPSFan | scrapes off ok, if you have done a Zipit 5 wire or mmc mod it's a piece of cake.. |
03:20.16 | joe_bleau | Don't you mean 0x400100 |
03:20.32 | GPSFan | it loads at 400000 it starts at 400100 |
03:20.34 | joe_bleau | 0x400000 crashed, but I got a ton of stuff at 0x400100 (0-127) |
03:20.47 | GPSFan | go 400100 |
03:21.01 | joe_bleau | Doh. Sorry, man, I was up till 2AM, then woken at 6AM. |
03:21.09 | joe_bleau | Not making much sense tonight, I'm sure. |
03:21.21 | GPSFan | sleep is your friend. ;>) |
03:22.34 | joe_bleau | I can't believe you didn't put your name up in lights. |
03:23.09 | joe_bleau | Ah, you turned on bedbug |
03:23.40 | GPSFan | it was on in the default build, it's cool the disassembler works better then the ocd one. |
03:23.51 | joe_bleau | That's not saying much |
03:24.06 | GPSFan | hey it works. |
03:24.33 | joe_bleau | Sure, and I'm glad Macraigor gives it away. But I've got a lot of complaints about OCD. Too often, it's the only cheap game in town. |
03:24.51 | GPSFan | all the stuff at startup was my debugging the dimm setup code. |
03:25.00 | joe_bleau | I gathered that. |
03:25.17 | joe_bleau | Can we config and use half of a ds dimm? |
03:25.20 | GPSFan | it will be gone when I post the patch. still need to test the hdd stuff |
03:25.30 | joe_bleau | At least then it would run, if only to half capacity |
03:25.31 | GPSFan | not without a bank sel. |
03:26.16 | GPSFan | but maybe we could fool the system and only map it to the lower half, I'll look at it. |
03:27.00 | joe_bleau | I don't know anything about sdram, so I'd be no help. |
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03:42.01 | joe_bleau | OCD could at least show disassembled branches as absolute, rather than relative |
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03:43.30 | jbevren | yawn |
03:43.34 | jbevren | re too |
03:49.19 | jbevren | woot |
03:49.25 | jbevren | the thing turns my mouse's led on |
03:49.30 | jbevren | <- playing with the ppc board |
03:49.45 | jbevren | I enabled hid but not hiddev tho, so it doesnt get to /dev/input/mice just yet |
03:53.27 | joe_bleau | I can't tell how to count the BGA vias. The spacing doesn't look consistent, so I'm not having much luck tracing. |
03:58.40 | jbevren | matroxfb: Matrox Millennium (PCI) detected |
03:58.40 | jbevren | matroxfb: BIOS on your Matrox device does not contain powerup info |
03:58.40 | jbevren | matroxfb: cannot determine memory size |
03:58.41 | jbevren | grr |
03:58.42 | jbevren | help? :) |
03:59.49 | joe_bleau | x86 vs. ppc fight in the Matrox bios? |
04:00.12 | jbevren | hmm |
04:00.19 | jbevren | Ive used matroxfb on other arch's |
04:00.21 | jbevren | like hppa |
04:00.38 | jbevren | thus my confusion |
04:00.46 | jbevren | other than acceleration not working, hppa works out of the box |
04:00.51 | jbevren | maybe I should go get that one's card |
04:01.06 | joe_bleau | Endian bug in the driver? |
04:01.34 | jbevren | hppa's same-endian with powerpc |
04:01.43 | jbevren | hrm |
04:02.09 | jbevren | I thought matroxfb was a full core init driver |
04:02.17 | jbevren | oh one sec |
04:02.21 | jbevren | wonder if its vgabios is turned off |
04:02.25 | jbevren | I forgot these have switches for that |
04:04.25 | jbevren | I HAVE FBCONSOLE |
04:04.31 | jbevren | HEHE |
04:04.44 | jbevren | joe_bleau: vga was disabled on the card |
04:04.48 | fishhead | canucks |
04:04.50 | fishhead | canucks |
04:04.51 | fishhead | canucks |
04:05.03 | fishhead | HOW DARE YOU USE MATROX |
04:05.22 | jbevren | fishhead: I tried ati |
04:05.24 | jbevren | it didnt work |
04:05.26 | jbevren | so screw off :) |
04:05.30 | fishhead | :P |
04:05.40 | fishhead | does that board use backasswords endian |
04:05.45 | jbevren | no, |
04:05.46 | jbevren | pc's do |
04:05.48 | jbevren | :) |
04:05.56 | fishhead | yeah so it's backasswards |
04:06.00 | fishhead | compared to pc |
04:06.12 | joe_bleau | it's network byte order |
04:06.14 | jbevren | youre one of those hole-flow theory people arent you |
04:06.18 | fishhead | so that means that pci has to be backasswords ? |
04:06.19 | jbevren | right |
04:06.22 | jbevren | so pc is backwards |
04:06.23 | fishhead | no |
04:06.25 | jbevren | cause pc's not network byte order |
04:06.32 | fishhead | I don't gt how the fuck a hole can mnove |
04:06.58 | fishhead | I don;t even get what the fuck endian is for |
04:07.33 | jbevren | fisshead: its what order bytes are stored in ram |
04:07.48 | jbevren | i.e. how to store values >255 |
04:07.52 | jbevren | grumble |
04:07.54 | jbevren | ok mouse works |
04:07.56 | jbevren | kbd doesnt yet |
04:08.07 | jbevren | input: USB HID v10.01 Keyboard [1267:0103] on usb3:2.0 |
04:08.09 | jbevren | it finds it tho |
04:08.27 | jbevren | joe_bleau: got any pointers? heh |
04:08.32 | fishhead | but why have one order vs another |
04:08.35 | fishhead | I don't understand |
04:08.49 | jbevren | fishhead: it depends on how the internal cpu arch was made |
04:08.56 | fishhead | yes |
04:08.59 | fishhead | but again |
04:09.03 | fishhead | why one choice iver the othee |
04:09.20 | jbevren | fishhead: when people made cpu's they didnt all get together and share ideas |
04:09.22 | joe_bleau | jbreven: sorry, missed that. What? |
04:09.28 | jbevren | they made it in secret to make it better than the other |
04:09.37 | jbevren | joe_bleau: usb mouse works, usb kbd doesnt |
04:10.00 | jbevren | it makes it to /dev/input/event1 |
04:10.03 | jbevren | but not to console |
04:10.17 | joe_bleau | Serial port? |
04:10.24 | jbevren | nono, fb console |
04:10.26 | jbevren | usb-based box |
04:10.31 | jbevren | treat it like an imac for instance |
04:10.47 | joe_bleau | so it's not expecting console input from the serial port anymore? |
04:10.48 | jbevren | or a pc with usb kbd heh |
04:10.53 | jbevren | right |
04:10.56 | jbevren | I have a tty login prompt here |
04:10.58 | jbevren | I cant type to it |
04:11.18 | jbevren | login configuration I can do. I just know there's something dumb in the kernel config I'm missing |
04:11.29 | fishhead | ihate it all |
04:11.30 | joe_bleau | Jeez, I dunno. You must be desperate to ask me! |
04:11.34 | fishhead | none of it makes any sense |
04:11.35 | jbevren | lol |
04:11.46 | jbevren | fishhead: the powerpc board from bgmicro |
04:11.54 | jbevren | I have a usb2 card and matrox 2064W |
04:12.01 | jbevren | the usb2 card works, and I have fb console on the 2064W |
04:12.07 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
04:12.22 | jbevren | only after linux boots though, ppcboot doesnt support the mga |
04:12.50 | joe_bleau | yet. Give GPSFan a day or so, for Christ's sake. ;-) |
04:13.06 | jbevren | hehe |
04:13.11 | jbevren | I dont know if he even has one |
04:13.24 | jbevren | input core -> kbd on |
04:13.38 | jbevren | char: virtual terminal and console on virtual terminal |
04:13.44 | silverpower | jbevren: feel like taking a preliminary stab at ALSA? Of any sort? |
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04:14.02 | jbevren | on..? |
04:14.21 | silverpower | ...got an ES137x? |
04:14.28 | jbevren | not handy |
04:14.33 | jbevren | why |
04:14.49 | jbevren | I'm running linux 2.4.25 on this btw |
04:15.06 | jbevren | my ppc toolchain cant build 2.6 |
04:15.29 | silverpower | jbevren: the es137x has been there since 2.2.x or so. |
04:15.36 | jbevren | not in alsa :P |
04:15.40 | jbevren | not in-kernel |
04:15.42 | jbevren | hehe |
04:15.44 | jbevren | oss, sure |
04:15.50 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: when you booted that srec file I sent you did it pause and print IDE Bus 0:......... ? |
04:16.03 | silverpower | Ah, forgot about 'no in-kernel ALSA' in the 2.4 series. |
04:16.04 | jbevren | GPSFan: help :P |
04:16.09 | jbevren | silverpower: right |
04:16.14 | jbevren | OSS probably works though |
04:16.15 | joe_bleau | givemeaminuteandi'llcheck |
04:16.19 | GPSFan | jbevren: ?? |
04:16.31 | jbevren | GPSFan: usb keyboard gets to /dev/input/event1 but not to the console |
04:16.42 | jbevren | what am I missing :) |
04:17.00 | GPSFan | no clue... sorry. |
04:17.02 | jbevren | doh :( |
04:17.03 | jbevren | :) |
04:17.17 | jbevren | GPSFan: at any rate, I have the mouse and fbcon working |
04:17.39 | GPSFan | jbevren: great, x will be next ;>) |
04:17.44 | jbevren | no |
04:17.46 | jbevren | keyboard is next :) |
04:17.52 | jbevren | teehee |
04:26.09 | GPSFan | jbevren: when you have a hdd connected does the ideinfo command return anything? |
04:26.39 | jbevren | I'll tell you in a sec |
04:26.47 | jbevren | rebooting cause I need to redo the kernel |
04:27.29 | jbevren | => ideinfo |
04:27.29 | jbevren | Usage: |
04:27.31 | jbevren | ide - IDE sub-system |
04:27.43 | jbevren | looks like it might just be there for a help stub |
04:27.51 | jbevren | ide info works |
04:28.37 | GPSFan | ok doh... |
04:29.17 | joe_bleau | done env_relocate |
04:29.17 | joe_bleau | done pci init |
04:29.17 | joe_bleau | done devices init |
04:29.17 | joe_bleau | In: serial |
04:29.17 | joe_bleau | Out: serial |
04:29.18 | joe_bleau | Err: serial |
04:29.20 | joe_bleau | IDE: Bus 0: not available |
04:29.22 | joe_bleau | BEDBUG:ready |
04:29.24 | joe_bleau | No pause though |
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04:31.13 | fishhead | you guys scare me |
04:31.28 | jbevren | fishhead: we know |
04:31.29 | jbevren | youve told us |
04:31.33 | jbevren | :) |
04:31.42 | fishhead | mmm morgan web on tv |
04:31.44 | fishhead | canuck |
04:31.45 | fishhead | canuck |
04:34.09 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: thanks, could you dcc that file back to me? |
04:34.15 | silverpower | Morgan Webb and That Obnoxious Jerk got replaced by pod people a long time ago. |
04:34.27 | fishhead | yeah that guy sucks |
04:34.32 | fishhead | glad he left the show |
04:34.41 | silverpower | fishhead: he did? |
04:35.14 | fishhead | yes |
04:35.20 | fishhead | left morgan alone |
04:36.23 | silverpower | I gave up on G4 a couple months after the merger, when they started really screwing with the lineup. The last thing I care about is the endless stream of crap from EA. DIE, EA, FOR YOU KILLED WESTWOOD AND ORIGIN AND A BUNCH OF OTHER COOL DEV HOUSES. |
04:36.40 | fishhead | yeah ea is gay |
04:37.53 | silverpower | I mean, the Sims games were cool and all, but they got shoved out the door *way* too quickly - you have to have like 50 patches to get it going without random evil crap happening. |
04:38.44 | silverpower | And anything that EA outputs directly is simply going to be horrible. Period. Some of their dev houses are still good, but the EA execs are working on that. |
04:42.15 | silverpower | Because, let's face it - who the hell needs another NFS:U game, or the latest iteration of National Paint-drying Association 2006? |
04:50.55 | jbevren | fishhead: you told me to get palmos 3.5 for this right? |
04:51.29 | joe_bleau | GPSFan: I don't think OCD supports hardware breakpoints...it didn't stop, and I'm not seeing the SPRs change |
04:52.29 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: I think you are right ocd hw breakpts didnt work for me. can you dcc me back that srec file? |
04:54.57 | joe_bleau | Did it go through? |
04:55.14 | GPSFan | no, i can't seem to accept it. ;>( |
04:56.30 | GPSFan | might be a firewall problem.. |
04:56.40 | joe_bleau | Standby...I'll bet it's on my end. |
04:56.47 | GPSFan | k |
04:59.15 | fishhead | no |
04:59.20 | fishhead | get 4.2 |
05:00.21 | joe_bleau | I'll leave that in place, just in case you need it again. |
05:03.17 | jbevren | ah 4.2 |
05:03.18 | jbevren | k |
05:03.20 | jbevren | this has 3.5 |
05:03.30 | jbevren | hmm |
05:03.34 | jbevren | this usb mess.. grr |
05:07.28 | joe_bleau | hang on, I think it's stuck for me too |
05:08.21 | joe_bleau | Yep, timeout during the IDE stuff. |
05:08.42 | joe_bleau | I did a reset and quick halt, then downloaded your ppc. I had been downloading after ppcboot came to a command prompt. |
05:08.49 | joe_bleau | Sorry to lead you astray. |
05:09.24 | GPSFan | I think it must be the ide init stuff, I'll look at it tomorrow, the 1.1.2 stuff I rebuilt works ok with a disk so I know it's possible. |
05:10.14 | GPSFan | it's those flakey problems that get me... |
05:10.19 | joe_bleau | Oh, I didn't explain why I was asking about running two copies of the same bootloader from flash |
05:10.34 | joe_bleau | There's a default environment, right? |
05:10.39 | GPSFan | yes |
05:10.42 | joe_bleau | OK. |
05:10.50 | joe_bleau | Boot to 1.1.2, virgin board. |
05:11.02 | joe_bleau | Copy the sectors to flash (safety), and to ram |
05:11.07 | joe_bleau | erase bootsectors |
05:11.17 | joe_bleau | mod default env in the copies |
05:11.27 | joe_bleau | copy modified back to original location |
05:11.47 | joe_bleau | end up with the 1.1.2 bootloader in the correct bootsector spor |
05:11.57 | joe_bleau | but the compiled in default env has been changed |
05:12.26 | joe_bleau | obviously, it's a patch, so it can't be any longer than the existing strings |
05:12.34 | joe_bleau | but it's something that can be done easily |
05:12.41 | joe_bleau | and possibly make the system autoboot |
05:12.53 | joe_bleau | make any sense at all? |
05:12.59 | jbevren | checksum aside? |
05:13.12 | joe_bleau | I haven't seen it pass checksum. |
05:13.20 | jbevren | ah |
05:13.25 | joe_bleau | does it? |
05:13.28 | jbevren | I didnt know if it checksummed itself after/during copying to ram |
05:13.38 | joe_bleau | I've tried iminfo, but it's always failed |
05:13.55 | silverpower | Am I going to need to invest in a JTAG interface and stuff to get this going? |
05:14.12 | joe_bleau | Probably not. |
05:14.27 | jbevren | Thankfully, joe and gpsfan are doing the difficult part |
05:14.27 | GPSFan | this is how I have mine set up atm. oroginal 1.1.2. is at fff80000, my re-compiled 1.1.2 is at fffc0000 and runs from there. the environment for the re-compiled one is at fffb0000. |
05:14.31 | jbevren | that wich does require jtag |
05:15.11 | joe_bleau | ok, but in this crazy scheme you never *run* the 1.1.2 from any other location |
05:15.24 | silverpower | joe_bleau: It's more for getting the board some marbles than something useful for playing with userspace, I take it. |
05:15.37 | GPSFan | I am now downloading the ram version for all my testing either by loadb or jtag. |
05:15.39 | joe_bleau | the copies are just to allow you to mod the default environment (in ram) and then copy back to the correct location |
05:16.12 | GPSFan | I think we need to think about how to deploy the finished new bootloader so that people without jtag can re-falsh safely. |
05:16.57 | joe_bleau | After all, the 1.1.2 has "bootargs=root=/dev/hda1" compiled in...that can be changed from inside ppcboot with no tools at all |
05:17.17 | GPSFan | I'll think about it too, but my brain is fried for today... night all... |
05:17.18 | joe_bleau | The danger period would be during the time from bootsector erase to copy back |
05:17.28 | joe_bleau | Keep up the good work! |
05:19.05 | GPSFan | ;>) |
05:20.15 | joe_bleau | OK, here's the compiled in default env: |
05:20.16 | joe_bleau | => md fffa27c4 |
05:20.16 | joe_bleau | fffa27c4: 626f6f74 61726773 3d726f6f 743d2f64 bootargs=root=/d |
05:20.16 | joe_bleau | fffa27d4: 65762f68 64613100 626f6f74 636d643d ev/hda1.bootcmd= |
05:20.16 | joe_bleau | fffa27e4: 6469736b 626f6f74 20313030 30303020 diskboot 100000 |
05:20.16 | joe_bleau | fffa27f4: 30203b20 626f6f74 6d00626f 6f746465 0 ; bootm.bootde |
05:20.18 | joe_bleau | fffa2804: 6c61793d 33006261 75647261 74653d39 lay=3.baudrate=9 |
05:20.20 | joe_bleau | fffa2814: 36303000 6c6f6164 735f6563 686f3d31 600.loads_echo=1 |
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06:02.33 | jbevren | Kouwell KWE 1582T 2-PORT IEEE 1394 FIREWIRE PCI CARD |
06:02.36 | jbevren | (but ours is 3port) |
06:02.42 | jbevren | heh |
06:06.45 | jbevren | http://www.kouwell.com.tw/pr-m3.htm#1582t |
06:06.51 | jbevren | I think thats the card that comes with the walnut card |
06:07.59 | joe_bleau_ | The controller datasheet claims two ports |
06:08.24 | jbevren | nod |
06:08.30 | jbevren | ti chipset |
06:08.32 | jbevren | same model number |
06:08.38 | jbevren | Probably different revision |
06:08.43 | jbevren | on that note |
06:08.47 | jbevren | I'm gonna hit the sack |
06:19.39 | joe_bleau_ | spr 0x3f2 = 0xa0800000 will reset the cpu to the reset vector |
06:20.09 | joe_bleau_ | srp 0x3f2 = 0x80800000 enabled a hardware breakpoint |
06:20.18 | joe_bleau_ | spr 0x3f4 = addr of breakpoint |
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14:33.22 | prpplague | cougarvt: greetings |
14:33.26 | prpplague | morning all |
15:02.59 | fishhead | morning mr. "hack the world and get the girl too" |
15:03.04 | fishhead | :P |
15:03.15 | prpplague | fishhead: ?? |
15:03.36 | fishhead | that was a complement |
15:03.44 | fishhead | you know in movies |
15:03.49 | fishhead | savre the world and get the girl |
15:04.13 | fishhead | you are like the nerd genius that still manage to get a wife |
15:04.14 | fishhead | :P |
15:04.28 | fishhead | nm no one gets it :/ |
15:04.43 | fishhead | bah |
15:04.47 | prpplague | fishhead: oh, well you don't want to "Get" the girl, just use her for a couple of evenings |
15:05.23 | fishhead | na I am old fashion hopeless romantic |
15:05.33 | jbevren | that explains why youre still in the basement |
15:05.35 | jbevren | :) |
15:06.22 | fishhead | somewhat well it explains why I never dated |
15:06.42 | fishhead | even when I wasn't so awae=re of thr world around me I reaslized something was wrong |
15:06.50 | fishhead | and I didn't want to drag a girl into my mental hell |
15:07.01 | fishhead | :/ |
15:09.16 | fishhead | wow |
15:09.25 | fishhead | firefox just auto updated itself |
15:09.29 | fishhead | kickass |
15:11.30 | jbevren | fishhead: kudos at any rate, for acknowledging your issue heh |
15:11.38 | jbevren | takes balls to admit that to ones self |
15:12.02 | fishhead | thx |
15:12.10 | fishhead | if you guys didn't see this one befoe |
15:12.15 | fishhead | make sure you save this url |
15:12.19 | fishhead | http://www.osuweb.net/~ahaning/totalhardware99/ |
15:12.38 | fishhead | like 5000 or so motherboards and legacy isa memory cards, etc |
15:12.43 | fishhead | jumper and switch settings |
15:21.28 | fishhead | http://news.com.com/Craigslists+laid-back+approach+to+success/2100-1038_3-6034114.html?tag=nefd.top <----- impressive |
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15:47.25 | fishhead | W00HOO, NTP'S FINALY PATENT AGAINST BLACKBERRY HAS BEEN TOSSED, HEY NTP "YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!!!!!!" |
16:03.00 | jbevren | blackberry patent thrown out |
16:03.01 | jbevren | nice |
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18:21.19 | fishhead | MY PPC BOARD IS HERE! WOOP! |
18:30.53 | fishhead | plays with http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut |
18:44.41 | fishhead | has to head out, be back tonight |
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