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13:15.42 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
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14:36.38 | prpplague | ~seen sorphin |
14:36.40 | purl | sorphin <n=dans@70.249.196.81> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 23h 5m 52s ago, saying: 'prpplague: he wandered off to mess w/ the farm critters'. |
14:43.00 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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14:44.47 | T0mW | prpplague: what's up? |
14:44.54 | prpplague | T0mW: howdy |
14:45.02 | prpplague | T0mW: just thought i'd invite you in here as well |
14:45.06 | T0mW | prpplague: got your own place now? |
14:45.14 | T0mW | heh |
14:45.29 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
14:46.02 | T0mW | hmmm, guess I'll have to see if I can find a KB Toys outlet |
14:47.07 | prpplague | hehe, yea the JB's are good little boxes to tinker with |
14:47.12 | T0mW | BETHLEHEM TOWNSHIP |
14:47.20 | T0mW | that is about 30 miles from here |
14:47.28 | jbevren | nod |
14:47.31 | jbevren | I want a couple mp3 kits :( |
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14:47.47 | T0mW | prpplague: I've got my own tinker box, this project |
14:48.59 | Genesis | bonjour |
14:50.04 | jbevren | nod. google maps is better |
14:50.36 | prpplague | hehe |
14:50.38 | T0mW | heh, fast too! |
14:51.09 | T0mW | ah, hybrid map |
14:52.28 | T0mW | pretty good detail, I can see that guy scratching hisself in the parking lot |
14:53.16 | jbevren | lol |
14:53.30 | jbevren | although half my directions cover street names highway 3 has in varying towns |
14:53.54 | jbevren | the directions should be 'get on highway 3, drive west for 110 miles' |
14:53.57 | jbevren | hehe |
14:54.13 | T0mW | rt 6 in PA |
14:54.21 | jbevren | youre in PA eh? |
14:54.24 | jbevren | I used to live in scranton |
14:54.35 | T0mW | stroudsburg |
14:54.40 | jbevren | ahh |
14:54.49 | T0mW | actually snydersville |
14:55.06 | T0mW | about 8 miles south-southwest |
14:57.15 | T0mW | I want this for my car, I want a LCD screen hooked into maps.google.com |
14:57.24 | jbevren | that'd rock |
14:57.30 | T0mW | yeah |
14:57.32 | jbevren | doesnt google let you download the directions? |
14:57.34 | jbevren | I closed the window |
14:57.44 | jbevren | maps.google.com + gps |
14:57.47 | jbevren | hehe |
14:57.54 | T0mW | I wonder how much GSM costs? |
14:58.40 | T0mW | One guy I knew had one of those GPS + Mapping thingys in his Buick |
14:58.57 | T0mW | it was OEM |
14:59.37 | jbevren | heh |
14:59.45 | jbevren | I cant get GSM through more than half my trip for thanksgiving |
14:59.59 | jbevren | i'd love to get gprs (is that the sattelite one?) |
15:00.07 | jbevren | no, gprs is the transit for gsm I think |
15:00.08 | Genesis | gps |
15:00.11 | Genesis | yesp |
15:00.14 | jbevren | nono, gps is positioning |
15:00.21 | jbevren | there's a sattelite service similar to sat phones |
15:00.21 | Genesis | gprs is for gsm data traffi :) |
15:00.49 | jbevren | anyway, google should market their map service on dvd |
15:00.50 | jbevren | :) |
15:00.53 | Genesis | :} |
15:00.55 | jbevren | that would be most awesome |
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15:06.08 | Genesis | more precision |
15:06.15 | Genesis | but it's vaporsatellite |
15:08.31 | T0mW | prpplague: link for the S3C44 is broken on juicebox site |
15:10.13 | prpplague | doh, samsung's web site sucks |
15:12.47 | Genesis | bigger company is |
15:12.53 | Genesis | worse is the website |
15:13.00 | Genesis | intel is crappy |
15:13.53 | prpplague | cnn has a better web site than foxnews, but i hate the coverage that cnn gives |
15:14.48 | Genesis | cnn is a big shit |
15:15.03 | Genesis | i see what they told on french problems |
15:15.25 | Genesis | they place some french town in italia , spain , deutschland ... |
15:15.30 | prpplague | hehe |
15:15.39 | Genesis | at more that 1000 km that they are really |
15:15.50 | prpplague | Genesis: i forgot about you being in thick of that |
15:16.45 | Genesis | they tried to make the social conflict of hundred of desoriented 15 years old pb in a segragation pb ... |
15:22.20 | T0mW | prpplague: oooo! Juicebox does Thumb code! |
15:24.31 | jbevren | hehe |
15:24.35 | jbevren | thumb is a cool concept |
15:25.35 | T0mW | it is not bad: 22% code reduction on non-optimized (-O0) and 32% smaller if -O2 over ARM32 |
15:25.58 | jbevren | yep, and it executes faster (of course) over a 16bit bus |
15:26.05 | T0mW | 32% smaller is a real compelling reason to use it |
15:26.05 | jbevren | really shrinks design requirements |
15:26.22 | T0mW | yeah, wonder if the kernel can be done in Thumb? |
15:26.24 | jbevren | at one point I was going to use an arm7 cpu as a coprocessor on my commodore 64 |
15:26.28 | jbevren | cause I'm wacko like that |
15:26.29 | jbevren | :) |
15:26.39 | jbevren | T0mW: That would be interesting to know |
15:26.53 | T0mW | jbevren: why not, I have two ARM processors on this board here |
15:27.26 | T0mW | jbevren: I gave my commodore 64 away about 8 years ago |
15:28.04 | T0mW | some Ham wanted to use it for RTTY |
15:28.17 | jbevren | nod |
15:28.22 | jbevren | theyre good RTTY units |
15:28.29 | jbevren | my friend used a vic20 for years |
15:28.36 | T0mW | I liked Amtor myself |
15:29.09 | T0mW | I think I still have that HAL 200hz modem downstairs |
15:29.15 | jbevren | Study: Eating Fish Makes Your Genitals Smell Like Fish |
15:29.26 | jbevren | I never got into rtty |
15:29.32 | jbevren | I just watched my friend heh |
15:29.46 | T0mW | neiter did I, but I had a blast on 20m Amtor |
15:29.50 | jbevren | they gave him a permanent license since he was a radio operator in viet nam |
15:30.13 | T0mW | jbevren: what's your callsign? |
15:30.25 | jbevren | we were going to set up a packetradio link between our houses.. apparently he can operate a radio at my house under his license |
15:30.34 | jbevren | Ron's is wb0zla (old) and kc0cc (current) |
15:30.41 | jbevren | I'm not on ham, so I dont have a sign |
15:30.51 | T0mW | jbevren: why not? |
15:31.11 | jbevren | I dont have any equipment, and enough time is eaten by idling around the house and visitng my sister.. :) |
15:31.13 | T0mW | no big deal |
15:31.26 | T0mW | I was into Ham radio before I got IRC |
15:31.29 | T0mW | heh |
15:31.45 | T0mW | and, before I could touch-type |
15:31.57 | jbevren | hehe |
15:32.16 | jbevren | I got into irc when I was running linux on a 40M harddisk |
15:32.25 | jbevren | slackware 3.1 had a copy of /usr on the cdrom |
15:32.27 | jbevren | handy, that :) |
15:32.45 | jbevren | before then, I swore by win95.. bleck. :) |
15:32.53 | T0mW | yeah, slackware --> redhat --> mandrake |
15:32.55 | jbevren | then my 2gig drive died and I had no choice |
15:33.09 | jbevren | slackware -> redhat -> slackware -> suse -> slackware -> debian |
15:33.10 | T0mW | actually |
15:33.11 | jbevren | :) |
15:33.23 | jbevren | been using debian for about 5 years now |
15:34.29 | T0mW | CP/M-80 --> commodore 64 --> MSDOS [2,3,4,5] --> Win2 --> win3 --> winNt4 --> slackware --> redhat --> mandrake |
15:35.00 | jbevren | hmm |
15:35.03 | T0mW | jbevren: you're like a Phildelphia Eagles fan when it comes to Slackware |
15:35.14 | jbevren | last time I used slack was 5 years ago :) |
15:35.24 | jbevren | linux was great, but I couldnt find a distribution that suited me |
15:35.29 | T0mW | "they're looking good again, I go root for them" |
15:35.33 | jbevren | until I found debian, I tried this and that, but slack was as close as it got |
15:35.42 | jbevren | speaking of cp/m, |
15:35.48 | jbevren | have you heard of Vector Graphics? |
15:36.07 | T0mW | I didn't like the package manager, and they took too long to incorporate stuff |
15:36.08 | T0mW | yeh |
15:36.22 | jbevren | ah. My friend acquired an unknown VG system |
15:36.35 | jbevren | it's in a timeshare config (3 terminals, one cpu, 3 48k ram cards) |
15:36.40 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
15:36.44 | jbevren | nobody knows what it is |
15:36.45 | jbevren | hehe |
15:36.50 | jbevren | any idea? |
15:36.52 | T0mW | no |
15:36.59 | jbevren | that was helpful :P |
15:37.06 | jbevren | thankfully though we found schematics and manuals |
15:37.15 | jbevren | Its an impressively simple design |
15:37.16 | T0mW | I was running Apple Pascal for a while on some Corvus 10Meg drives |
15:37.31 | jbevren | the CPU timeslices on the three terminals, and each one has its own respective ramcard. |
15:37.36 | jbevren | so 3 copies of cp/m are run at once |
15:37.39 | T0mW | Corvus made a file server for the Apple II |
15:37.43 | jbevren | yeah |
15:37.43 | T0mW | Corvus made a file server for the Apple II+ |
15:37.51 | jbevren | Omninet |
15:37.56 | jbevren | it wasnt just for apple |
15:37.57 | T0mW | uh huh |
15:37.59 | jbevren | I see the stuff on ebay now and then |
15:38.04 | T0mW | really, heh |
15:38.19 | jbevren | I keep my eyes open for oddball IIgs hardware |
15:38.19 | T0mW | I ported apple pascal to the commodore 64 |
15:38.45 | T0mW | reverse engineered the p-code machine back into asm source |
15:38.57 | T0mW | just wanted to see if I could do it |
15:39.57 | T0mW | man! this little Philips processor has more memory inside it than I had on most of my early computers (including floppy drives)! |
15:40.38 | T0mW | actually it has a bigger "hard drive" (mmc) than most of the computers I've owned |
15:40.45 | T0mW | sheesh |
15:41.14 | jbevren | hehe |
15:41.19 | jbevren | what cpu's that |
15:41.32 | T0mW | ARM7TDMI |
15:41.40 | jbevren | ah |
15:41.46 | jbevren | funny, thats the core I was going to use |
15:41.49 | T0mW | 60MHz |
15:41.59 | jbevren | but the implementation was 33mhz, 8Mbit flash, 8k sram |
15:42.01 | jbevren | 32 GPIOs |
15:42.03 | T0mW | I'm running it at 58 and change |
15:42.07 | jbevren | about the size of your smallest fingernail |
15:42.25 | T0mW | the one is 128K Flash + 64K SRAM |
15:42.25 | jbevren | it was goign to be used as a scsi coprocessor (bytebanging scsi on its gpio lines) |
15:43.04 | jbevren | thats pretty dang good |
15:43.08 | jbevren | does it have a slave bus ;-) |
15:43.18 | T0mW | I don't have a lot of I/O pins, it is a 48pin package about 5/16" square |
15:43.23 | jbevren | nod |
15:43.49 | T0mW | jbevren: the other processor is 512K Flash + 32K SRAM |
15:44.09 | T0mW | I wish it was the other way around! |
15:44.35 | T0mW | I could write a DOS using the MMC and a hunk of good sized RAM |
15:44.52 | T0mW | load stuff from the MMC and execute to RAM |
15:45.09 | jbevren | yeah |
15:45.14 | jbevren | like ACE for the c64 |
15:45.18 | jbevren | its a diskbased OS |
15:45.32 | jbevren | I use it cause it has a decent terminal and assembler :) |
15:45.42 | jbevren | also has nice tools like grep |
15:45.48 | T0mW | I'm thinking of doing that for the configuration: load program from MMC for the menu screens and such |
15:45.58 | jbevren | grep is like 5-6k in size :) |
15:46.02 | T0mW | heh |
15:46.12 | T0mW | I like my linux box |
15:46.14 | jbevren | that includes its own getopt() code |
15:46.26 | jbevren | oh I love mine |
15:46.28 | jbevren | hehe |
15:46.29 | T0mW | there is so much cool stuff on it |
15:46.42 | T0mW | perl, sed, xargs, cut, ... |
15:46.46 | jbevren | but when it comes to tinkering, I still like my c64 |
15:47.10 | T0mW | jbevren: naw, I design hardware, that is where I get that out of my system |
15:47.22 | T0mW | s/system/blood/ |
15:47.29 | prpplague | the pixter is still one of my favorite arm based devices |
15:47.30 | jbevren | nod |
15:47.40 | T0mW | pixter? pixter.... |
15:47.49 | T0mW | wtf is a pixter? |
15:47.50 | jbevren | T0mW: I dont have any experience in making hardware for higher-frequency systems |
15:48.17 | jbevren | the acorn riscpc's are my favorite, but Ive never used one :P |
15:48.26 | jbevren | they were a bit of a trendsetter |
15:48.30 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/Pixter |
15:49.20 | T0mW | ooo yeah, nice periphs on that chip |
15:49.28 | prpplague | yea |
15:50.52 | T0mW | prpplague: still taking your kids' toys apart? |
15:50.53 | T0mW | heh |
15:51.04 | T0mW | prpplague: you big meanie! |
15:51.41 | prpplague | hehe yea i always buy double |
15:51.58 | jbevren | 24 address bits, nice |
15:52.03 | T0mW | one for daddy and one for junior |
15:52.56 | prpplague | yep |
15:55.01 | jbevren | the link to sharpsma.com on http://www.elinux.org/wiki/LH75411 is 404 |
15:55.03 | jbevren | (fyi) |
15:56.17 | prpplague | yea, its a real pain keep those links uptodate |
15:57.28 | LinuxCart | but why did they work for me¿? |
15:57.30 | T0mW | spam is on the rise again, anybody else notice? I've been averaging about 80 a day |
15:57.33 | jbevren | not that it matters, |
15:57.39 | jbevren | sharp's document locator is apparently offline |
15:58.14 | LinuxCart | so it is temporary, isn't it¿? |
15:59.19 | prpplague | both sharp and samsungs web pages work at random times |
15:59.40 | LinuxCart | very adecuate... :| |
16:01.35 | T0mW | crap, Linear technologies semi must have been sold |
16:01.48 | T0mW | the url won't work anymore |
16:02.33 | T0mW | whew, just changed their url |
16:06.29 | T0mW | anybody know anything about bifilar windings on a torroid? |
16:09.12 | LinuxCart | what do you mean¿? |
16:20.53 | prpplague | ok someone help me out here, i'm having a brain cramp |
16:21.07 | prpplague | i have a const char **value |
16:21.16 | prpplague | i need to assing a string to value |
16:21.32 | prpplague | whats the quickest way to do that? |
16:33.55 | prpplague | shouldn't i be able to just do a value[0]="somestring" ? |
16:40.54 | prpplague | i hate it when i know what i need to do, but not how to do it |
17:07.19 | LinuxCart | but prpplague do you want to do it in declaration time¿? |
17:08.02 | LinuxCart | in runtime i think the best way to do is with strcpy |
17:08.07 | LinuxCart | or memcpy |
17:08.19 | LinuxCart | maybe you'd prefer to use strncpy or memncpy |
17:09.54 | prpplague | LinuxCart: already found the problem thanks |
17:22.01 | LinuxCart | ok |
17:22.10 | LinuxCart | is it related what I have said¿? |
17:26.30 | prpplague | no |
17:26.48 | prpplague | bad declaration |
17:33.56 | prpplague | hmm about the smallest i can make apex is abou 9100 bytes |
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22:02.58 | Genesis | bonne nuit |