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| 07:43.07 | sniperyyd | come on |
| 07:43.12 | sniperyyd | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.17 | sniperyyd | i have sth important to say |
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| 11:15.21 | sniperyyd | hi |zongo| im compiling BZFlag ^_^ |
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| 11:27.09 | Blue_Eyes | buongiorno buongo |
| 11:39.24 | |zongo| | hehe hi all |
| 11:39.28 | |zongo| | sniperyyd, cool :P |
| 11:39.35 | |zongo| | on a linux machine? |
| 11:40.13 | |zongo| | Blue_Eyes, oggi se giochiamo ricordami di collegarci su ts |
| 11:40.30 | |zongo| | sniperyyd, ok i saw your message on #bzchat :P |
| 11:40.41 | |zongo| | Pimpinella, thx for the reply on the forums |
| 11:41.04 | |zongo| | btw this means there is a server with acceleration limit and one without even on 1vs1 servers??? |
| 11:48.43 | sniperyyd | |zongo|: yes on linux machine |
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| 13:04.59 | Pimpinella | |zongo|: no, both limited |
| 13:05.36 | Pimpinella | i thought about making a ducati match server without limit though |
| 13:05.50 | Pimpinella | as requested by a couple of players |
| 13:18.12 | |zongo| | maybe 59999 without limit while 59998 with it |
| 13:23.13 | Pimpinella | probably, or yet a third one |
| 13:23.44 | Pimpinella | there should probably be an overall agreement about portnumbers |
| 13:24.07 | Pimpinella | so everybody would know if a server has limits or not |
| 13:27.37 | |zongo| | 5154 is limited, so maybe 59994 could be limited as well |
| 13:27.50 | |zongo| | or 59996 unlimited dunno |
| 13:28.27 | |zongo| | well i messed up, since 59998 and 59999 are already limited just add a new port like 59996 with unlimited |
| 13:28.41 | |zongo| | since 5156 is unlimited (i hope i made it clear :) |
| 13:29.28 | Pimpinella | sure |
| 13:29.51 | Pimpinella | or 60000 probably |
| 13:36.30 | |zongo| | ah yes, why not :) |
| 13:38.06 | Blue_Eyes | DUB:ping |
| 13:41.55 | Pimpinella | Blue_Eyes: selectional pong |
| 13:48.45 | Blue_Eyes | hehe ciao pimpi, we are on 59998 |
| 13:48.54 | Pimpinella | ic :) |
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| 13:55.26 | Pimpinella | Blue-Eyes: so gag you're here |
| 13:55.34 | Pimpinella | *glad |
| 14:08.05 | |zongo| | Birdie, Pimpinella, ctf match? :P |
| 14:08.19 | Pimpinella | unfortunately no :/ |
| 14:08.36 | |zongo| | ahhh ok, np :) |
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| 15:22.50 | |zongo| | Pimpinella, port 60000 is certainly better :) |
| 15:23.13 | |zongo| | (after some thoughts :) |
| 15:26.33 | SportChick | Pimpinella: hi |
| 15:26.46 | SportChick | Pimpinella: I rebanned molez from dub last night |
| 16:11.05 | |zongo| | cu laterz |
| 16:12.19 | Birdie | sportchick: very good |
| 16:12.46 | sniperyyd | what did molez do on dub? |
| 16:26.47 | Pimpinella | sniperyyd: whatever he did there last night, he's unwanted and stays unwanted |
| 16:27.29 | Pimpinella | DB might get a 2nd chance, not molez though |
| 16:27.37 | Birdie | db does???? |
| 16:27.53 | sniperyyd | DB = DUB? |
| 16:27.56 | Birdie | no |
| 16:28.05 | Pimpinella | DB = Death Barrel |
| 16:28.09 | sniperyyd | ah |
| 16:29.27 | sniperyyd | Pimpinella: did you look at that map??? |
| 16:30.01 | Pimpinella | i had an email conversation with DB for a while and i think he understood some things |
| 16:31.02 | Birdie | hmm |
| 16:31.11 | Pimpinella | sniperyyd: well... too much work, really i'm sorry... |
| 16:31.32 | sniperyyd | Pimpinella: anyway, doesnt matter, i gived a-delusion a pm to look at them |
| 16:32.31 | Pimpinella | Birdie: i'd appreciate to see BD return as the player he was about a year ago |
| 16:32.38 | Pimpinella | db |
| 16:33.42 | Birdie | i remember you saying on irc that db ruined your trust in him, and that he got you really mad, and that those people dont get yet _another_ chance |
| 16:34.02 | Birdie | some really respected people stood up for him several times |
| 16:34.12 | Birdie | yet he decided to be one of the biggest jerks ever |
| 16:34.20 | Birdie | and still he gets another chance? |
| 16:35.28 | Pimpinella | he explained why he did it, and actually (reviewing a couple of logs) molez was always the bigger jerk of both |
| 16:36.29 | Birdie | whatever reason it was, is it enough to get another chance after something like this? |
| 16:36.41 | Birdie | if you look at what they did |
| 16:36.51 | Birdie | they = cause they did it together, decided together to do like that |
| 16:36.56 | Pimpinella | there are conditions he has to fullfill, if he does he has earned another chance |
| 16:37.36 | Birdie | meh |
| 16:37.43 | Birdie | i think its not fair for the other players |
| 16:38.34 | Pimpinella | yeah, thats what i told him. i can't differ which objections on the blogspot site were originated by him, but that it doesn't matter either, because he did nothing to stop it while he could have done |
| 16:38.55 | Pimpinella | not fair for who in particular? |
| 16:39.03 | Birdie | its amazing how db can arrange everything. He was an ass, did stupid, than arranged together with molez (and some one else?) to do that stupid. now he goes saying sorry sorry, searches some excuses, and there he is again |
| 16:39.31 | Pimpinella | oh no, it won't be that easy |
| 16:40.43 | Pimpinella | it'll hurt his pride to return. guess yourself if thats hard for DB or not... |
| 16:41.07 | Birdie | actually i hope every one refuses to play him |
| 16:41.36 | Birdie | if you would do a poll under all players of the league, how much would vote him to get him off? 90% 95%? |
| 16:42.03 | Birdie | did you saw the activity in the league since HoW (so DB) is gone? |
| 16:42.20 | Birdie | before that hardly a match outside HoW was there, now there are 5maches daily |
| 16:43.01 | Pimpinella | maybe many teams will refuse to match him anyway, but thats his price too |
| 16:44.13 | Birdie | meh your the boss but i totally dont agree with this |
| 16:46.10 | Birdie | and with me 90-95% of the regular players |
| 16:52.00 | Pimpinella | i'm only the boss if it comes to who's allowed to play on my servers, anything else is up to others, including you Birdie... |
| 16:53.12 | Birdie | what i dont get is that you will make a desicion that 90% of the regular players dont agree with |
| 16:53.39 | Birdie | i'm not speaking of all players now, but the close league crowd who know about it |
| 16:54.18 | Birdie | i had people coming talking to me over and over to say how happy they are DB was banned |
| 16:54.34 | Birdie | although he gets conditions, it wont erase the fact he did in the future |
| 16:54.39 | Birdie | facts * |
| 17:05.05 | Pimpinella | well, his credits are used up, and he knows it. |
| 17:05.31 | Birdie | they are used up, but still you allow him back? |
| 17:06.31 | Birdie | he got a lot of chances, got postbans(not allowing to post anymore) on the league site for his behavour, he got so much warnings, than he did the known stuff, of course he has no credit anymore, but you do give him another chance? |
| 17:06.31 | Pimpinella | i will allow new players to pla either, and they don't have credits either |
| 17:07.44 | Birdie | new players are new, they have to find out what is ok and what isnt, the "older" players are there to help them with that |
| 17:07.55 | Pimpinella | i expect him to be a different player than he used to if he comes back - it's one of the conditions, and he knows it pretty well. |
| 17:10.39 | Birdie | people will never see him as a "new player" if he becomes one, but the ass with the past, that cant be erased |
| 17:10.57 | Birdie | much people will never give him a chance anymore including me |
| 17:11.19 | Birdie | there are people banned for ever for much less than this |
| 17:11.35 | Birdie | its like he is the untouchable god now |
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| 17:15.48 | Mr_Molez | hello |
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| 17:36.26 | Pimpinella | he initially had reasons to start this cheating stuff, and his reasons weren't bad. Finally he understands that the way he handled it was totally wrong |
| 17:38.04 | Birdie | pff since when can there be "good reasons" to cheat |
| 17:38.33 | Birdie | well i hope you relook your discussion well though |
| 17:38.44 | Birdie | not the discussion |
| 17:38.46 | Birdie | the.. |
| 17:38.51 | Birdie | (searching the word) |
| 17:38.56 | Birdie | desicion:) thats it |
| 17:41.15 | Birdie | what i also dont get is that you risc so much unhappyness, frustration, etc by doing this |
| 17:41.35 | Birdie | there will come big discussions if you allow him back |
| 17:45.52 | Birdie | there is lots lots of activity now, i didnt saw any stupid behavour since he is gone, every one happy. Allowing him back will rehold people from playing matches, will give many frustration cause he gets away with it _again_ |
| 17:50.45 | Pimpinella | i have no problems removing the ban considering the cheating offenses, but thinking of the intimidations it's no easy decision to give him a chance either |
| 17:51.09 | Pimpinella | he'll have to clean that up first |
| 17:53.06 | Pimpinella | i know there'll be no forgiving from your side, but i guess many others will forgive. |
| 17:53.54 | Pimpinella | and if he can play matches or not isn't up to me! |
| 17:54.37 | Pimpinella | i can only give him a server to play, i'm not running the league |
| 17:54.44 | Pimpinella | i'm no team captain |
| 17:55.02 | Pimpinella | i'm just a server op |
| 17:55.42 | Pimpinella | with a heart thats probably a lil weaker than yours |
| 17:56.51 | Birdie | there are other matchservers outside yours (catay and zees) but dub is the _main_ leagueserver who has to give the good example. and even if they allow him back in the league itself, he need servers to play on. Dub is the only matchserver (with proxs but he gets banned there for ever) where is all the activity lately, i would like it much more to be there, if he wants to match he can go to catay and zeeserver, but i wont go there |
| 17:57.46 | Birdie | you have to clear whole your banlist if you unban him |
| 17:57.52 | Birdie | if you want to fair |
| 17:58.07 | Pimpinella | no |
| 17:58.07 | Birdie | cause 90% of the banlist havent done as much as he did |
| 17:58.33 | Pimpinella | it's no matter what he did, but what he's going to do |
| 17:59.01 | Pimpinella | players are banned to keep servers frindly, not to punish people |
| 17:59.43 | Birdie | people get chances to prove the trust, to prove its correct to allow them there...didnt db got enough chances before? |
| 17:59.55 | Birdie | why do you want to risc it again? |
| 18:00.32 | Birdie | seems like he gets away with everything, whatever he does or did |
| 18:01.07 | Pimpinella | because i ever saw that DB has a lot to give and i still think he has |
| 18:01.22 | Birdie | i dont want to sound "from a height" now if you know what i mean, but i play much more than you and i think know more people to, talk more to regular players, know what there is going on, and believe me unbanning db isnt the right thing to do |
| 18:01.59 | Birdie | he has a lot to give, but also took away much from several people |
| 18:02.32 | Birdie | "a lot to give" thats all a mather of opinion of course |
| 18:03.39 | Pimpinella | yeah. thats why he has to make his peace with enough of them to make me think that he can come bak without breaking the server peace |
| 18:04.06 | Pimpinella | this might happen sooner or later or never |
| 18:04.27 | Pimpinella | if he does though he'll get his chance |
| 18:04.47 | Birdie | and who are the people he has to "have peace with"? |
| 18:04.55 | Pimpinella | and he'll walk on very thin ice then |
| 18:05.16 | Birdie | is it really worth all the risc? |
| 18:06.10 | Pimpinella | nobody in particular, but surely meno, SC, kierra... |
| 18:07.11 | Pimpinella | those who were insulted most and can be expected to accept his apology |
| 18:07.34 | Birdie | i think i'm in the group of the "most insulted players" by him |
| 18:07.55 | Pimpinella | not really in the latter group though |
| 18:08.02 | Birdie | latter? |
| 18:08.05 | Birdie | what do you mean? |
| 18:08.20 | Pimpinella | former <-> latter |
| 18:08.35 | Birdie | eh |
| 18:08.46 | Pimpinella | those who can be expected to accept his apology |
| 18:08.48 | Birdie | ah |
| 18:09.13 | Birdie | well isnt it normal i cant accept it? he insulted me person, in public every single day |
| 18:09.31 | Birdie | forum discussions, always brought me into it, dragged me into sh*t.. |
| 18:10.05 | Birdie | i think me and sc are his biggest victimes |
| 18:10.13 | Pimpinella | dunno if it's normal, i think it's a matter of personality |
| 18:10.32 | Pimpinella | and pride |
| 18:11.07 | Birdie | hmm so you want peace between him and sc, but not with him and me? |
| 18:11.12 | Pimpinella | would i accept in your situation? i gues i would |
| 18:11.24 | Pimpinella | i'd appreciate |
| 18:12.01 | Pimpinella | i tink he must have tried, but i've not much hope you'd accept |
| 18:12.08 | Birdie | look i'm a nice guy, i can forgive much, but once your "done" in my eyes its over, and that means you got a lot lot LOT of chances and he screwed them all up |
| 18:12.50 | Birdie | he dragged me into every worst thing ever |
| 18:12.54 | Birdie | does he regret anything? |
| 18:13.00 | Birdie | he might say he does, but i'm sure he doesnt |
| 18:13.27 | Birdie | and i regret bigtime, that with saying sorry to some people, he might get a chance to come back |
| 18:13.40 | Pimpinella | thats the difference between me and you, i'll always give anther chance if somebody proves worthy to get one. he hasn't yet, but he might |
| 18:14.11 | Birdie | we both know db is good with words, if he talks much to sc and kierra, i fear they might forgive him, while i know they dont want it insidely |
| 18:14.51 | Pimpinella | ok. then he'll get banned again quite quickly |
| 18:15.47 | Pimpinella | as i said, the ice he'll walk upon will be thin,. he shouldn't try to jump |
| 18:17.13 | Pimpinella | call me stupid, but it's the way i am. You may say that i'm a dreamer, but i'm not the only one. ;) |
| 18:17.47 | Pimpinella | gt run. i'll bbl |
| 18:18.04 | Birdie | meh your not stupid, but in my poor humble eyes:) , i think you need to set a line how far you can go |
| 18:18.14 | Birdie | he drove over it by much |
| 18:18.16 | Birdie | ok cu later |
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