| 00:00.07 | Lightkey | plus screen? |
| 00:00.49 | dTal | yep |
| 00:02.21 | dTal | I say I can't figure it out, I've never seriously tried |
| 00:02.27 | Lightkey | oh, I actually have that setup in a terminal I forgot, and now I see that it somehow died, no response to key presses.. |
| 00:03.07 | dTal | the culprit appears to be screen |
| 00:03.55 | dTal | or at least, I get an empty character in screen |
| 00:04.32 | dTal | on the other hand, I get the stupid \u business in irssi so perhaps it's mangling it even more |
| 00:09.22 | Wally | BlueMaxima https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9BQAAT10Mw |
| 00:09.53 | BlueMaxima | wat. |
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| 00:11.53 | Wally | TFW Ziggy from the NBN Co is too dumb to work IT equipment |
| 00:39.41 | comradekingu | The kid was just crass |
| 00:52.59 | klopsi-u3 | anybody want to visit germany |
| 00:53.05 | Wally | Yes. |
| 00:53.12 | klopsi-u3 | audiophile? |
| 00:53.16 | Wally | Nein. |
| 00:53.36 | klopsi-u3 | that's all i can offer |
| 00:53.39 | klopsi-u3 | great stereo |
| 00:53.45 | Wally | wat |
| 00:54.01 | klopsi-u3 | a good hifi system |
| 00:54.10 | Wally | make some sense klopsi-u3.. |
| 00:54.36 | klopsi-u3 | if you want to visit germany, i can let you listen to a great hifi system |
| 00:54.57 | Wally | .... |
| 00:55.07 | Wally | That's the last thing i'd want to do in Germany. |
| 00:55.11 | klopsi-u3 | there are a couple of nice castles newarby |
| 00:55.22 | klopsi-u3 | what would you want to do? |
| 00:55.49 | Wally | Trinkt Bier und springen. |
| 00:56.02 | Wally | off cliffs |
| 00:56.16 | dTal | I want to visit germany and greatly appreciate high-quality audio |
| 00:57.02 | Wally | Can already do that at home though xD |
| 00:57.15 | dTal | however I'm slightly sketched out by someone who's willing to invite round someone from a different country just to listen to their stereo |
| 00:57.34 | Wally | he's probably a cannibal |
| 00:57.36 | klopsi-u3 | i've talked to wally for a long time |
| 00:57.42 | dTal | and my surround sound is pretty good already |
| 00:57.46 | Wally | you've also been eccentric for a long time klopsi-u3. |
| 00:58.15 | klopsi-u3 | yeah way to well informed |
| 00:58.19 | klopsi-u3 | about the mass murder going on |
| 00:59.17 | klopsi-u3 | i'd be a little less angry about it |
| 00:59.27 | klopsi-u3 | if they were killing the flat-earthers on youtube :) |
| 01:01.57 | Wally | klopsi-u3 please make some sense or i'll have no choice but to kick you again. |
| 01:01.59 | dTal | Lightkey how come you version requesting me |
| 01:03.13 | Lightkey | dTal: you notice that now? it was from the discussion before |
| 01:03.30 | dTal | yeah I'm slow |
| 01:03.51 | dTal | I should really check timestamps |
| 01:17.16 | SuperRoach | Do that lol |
| 01:17.28 | klopsi-u3 | Wally: well it turns out the US govt signed off on a plan to give sarin nerve gas to Al Nusra terrorists in Syria |
| 01:17.31 | klopsi-u3 | as a false flag attack to blame Assad government for it |
| 01:17.33 | klopsi-u3 | they killed about 1300 people |
| 01:17.41 | klopsi-u3 | but the invasion of syria didn't work out for logistical reasons |
| 01:17.51 | Wally | klopsi-u3.. Still not relevant.. |
| 01:17.53 | klopsi-u3 | so hillary signed off on a nerve gas attack |
| 01:17.55 | Wally | or making sense. |
| 01:18.01 | klopsi-u3 | i think that's pretty bad |
| 01:18.09 | Wally | Sure, but take it to ##politics as advised earlier |
| 01:18.39 | klopsi-u3 | yeah |
| 01:18.47 | klopsi-u3 | http://picosong.com/ERB9/ life in heaven |
| 01:18.50 | klopsi-u3 | a song of mine |
| 01:21.24 | dTal | klopsi-u3 what do you think of the Pyra |
| 01:21.31 | dTal | are you looking forward to it |
| 01:21.55 | klopsi-u3 | i just bought it because i love ED |
| 01:23.38 | dTal | tell me more |
| 01:23.49 | klopsi-u3 | greatest project ever |
| 01:24.04 | klopsi-u3 | pandora/pyra |
| 01:24.25 | klopsi-u3 | a handful of people making a computer |
| 01:24.28 | klopsi-u3 | it's heroic |
| 01:24.41 | klopsi-u3 | dTal: you come from the middle-east? |
| 01:25.04 | dTal | where on earth did that question come from |
| 01:25.12 | klopsi-u3 | where are you |
| 01:25.42 | dTal | stop freaking me out man |
| 01:25.58 | dTal | is there a point to this line of questioning |
| 01:26.43 | klopsi-u3 | well if you want |
| 01:26.43 | Wally | Do go on klopsi-u3 |
| 01:27.02 | *** mode/#dragonbox-pyra [+o Wally] by ChanServ |
| 01:27.08 | dTal | yeah I was really enjoying the part about greatest heroic project ever |
| 01:27.28 | klopsi-u3 | intel chipsets built in israel |
| 01:27.35 | klopsi-u3 | kinect built in israel |
| 01:27.45 | klopsi-u3 | it's interesting |
| 01:28.26 | Wally | klopsi-u3 please. |
| 01:28.31 | Wally | you were asked a question |
| 01:28.36 | Wally | and it wasn't about intel |
| 01:28.38 | Wally | or israel. |
| 01:28.45 | klopsi-u3 | oh |
| 01:29.15 | klopsi-u3 | well dTal where you from? |
| 01:29.53 | dTal | "from" is a complicated state of mind, but I live in Wales |
| 01:29.59 | dTal | at the moment. |
| 01:30.52 | Wally | Career choices dTal? |
| 01:31.06 | dTal | what's the question? |
| 01:31.33 | dTal | what are my career choices, or do I live in Wales because of them? |
| 01:31.34 | Wally | Your career choices making your location different? |
| 01:31.41 | Wally | I can't phrase it properly right now. |
| 01:31.47 | dTal | boredom makes my location different |
| 01:31.56 | Wally | I see |
| 01:32.13 | dTal | there's nothing around here I particularly set out to be employed in, I was born in the US |
| 01:32.18 | dTal | but it's a nice place to live |
| 01:32.34 | klopsi-u3 | http://picosong.com/EnAv/ dolor << dtal this is the future for intelligence on this planet |
| 01:32.35 | dTal | and it seems to have worked out |
| 01:32.37 | Wally | What are your career ambitions then? |
| 01:33.39 | dTal | I'm not really sure. I bounced around, eventually put in a solid few years doing some really interesting engineering at a startup, and now I'm doing an Msc in EE |
| 01:34.12 | dTal | I'd love to found a hardware startup and do what ED is doing but it looks too risky and hard... |
| 01:34.32 | dTal | HOW he makes it all work financially I've no idea |
| 01:34.43 | klopsi-u3 | ED is one of the most awesome people on the planet |
| 01:35.21 | klopsi-u3 | like Scott Horton |
| 01:35.43 | klopsi-u3 | absolutely driven |
| 01:35.53 | dTal | I would not have preordered, despite everything, had I not seen how Pandora was handled after everything went to shit |
| 01:36.31 | klopsi-u3 | pyra is completely not worth 700 euro to me |
| 01:36.57 | dTal | the cautious approach and the firm commitment to customer service is what gives me the ironclad confidence to plunk down that kind of change |
| 01:37.27 | klopsi-u3 | it's the awesomeness of a guy making his dream computer |
| 01:38.51 | klopsi-u3 | and geniuses helping him |
| 01:38.59 | klopsi-u3 | feel the love |
| 01:39.22 | dTal | thing is I wanted a ridiculous laundry list of things - a qwerty keyboard clamshell linux device with a robust community sold by a company that gave a damn about free software and hackability and spare parts and stuff |
| 01:39.35 | dTal | and here comes Dragonbox and ticks all the goddamn boxes |
| 01:39.42 | dTal | can't leave that on the table |
| 01:39.43 | klopsi-u3 | yep |
| 01:40.27 | klopsi-u3 | you're a good person |
| 01:40.49 | sketchstick | I also appreciate that we're sticking closer to Debian this time around. |
| 01:41.04 | dTal | and it comes with Debian preinstalled? WHAT. |
| 01:41.05 | klopsi-u3 | a fucking TINY MINORITY ON THE PLANET |
| 01:42.12 | dTal | 700 Euros sounds expensive but it's a friggin bargain for literally the perfect thing |
| 01:42.27 | sketchstick | I got tired of fighting against Android's constant attempts at sandboxing and simplifying everything. |
| 01:42.34 | dTal | people spend that on iPhones, god forbid |
| 01:43.27 | sketchstick | I want a handheld that has a proper OS on it, that will let me run all my favourite desktop tools and won't preventing me from doing basic stuff like proper file management. |
| 01:44.33 | sketchstick | Oh and also I'm a game dev whose best experiences have been with mobile gaming, and I want to play all the classics comfortably in bed or on the couch after a long day etc. |
| 01:45.31 | sketchstick | Being able to port any content I make over with all the usual libraries and minimal changes is awesome. |
| 01:46.29 | dTal | the annoying thing about Android, even if you have root, is it's just not designed to be used any other way than through the crappy interface |
| 01:46.59 | dTal | and it's like they went out of their way to do that |
| 01:48.16 | dTal | when I rooted my Kindle 4 (which took like a second) and logged in, it was a really familiar layout, standard POSIX stuff - and there were many useful command line tools, which had reasonable built-in help strings |
| 01:48.35 | dTal | it was like the devs had just left, and hadn't even really bothered to lock up or pick up their tools |
| 01:48.49 | sketchstick | I also like tight knit homebrew communities, I grew up on modding and miss that creativity, collaboration and feedback. |
| 01:49.17 | dTal | or the Chromebook, open a terminal in that and boom you're in Gentoo |
| 01:49.24 | sketchstick | I think you guys would be more fun to throw prototypes at.. |
| 01:49.33 | dTal | but Android? hahaha good luck finding your way around that sonny |
| 01:50.26 | dTal | man I can't wait to start hacking on a Pyra |
| 01:50.33 | dTal | first stop, phone functionality |
| 01:51.01 | dTal | if I have to write my own friggin dialer I'll get that working |
| 01:51.23 | klopsi-u3 | i write great songs |
| 01:51.35 | klopsi-u3 | against totalitarian control |
| 01:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | dTal: there's FSO, and several dialers using it |
| 01:53.06 | dTal | DocScrutinizer05: yeah it's hard to see what does what without installing stuff, I've not found a page that goes "THIS IS A PHONE DIALER THAT RUNS UNDER X11" |
| 01:53.10 | dTal | but they must exist |
| 01:54.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | see above |
| 01:54.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~shr |
| 01:54.51 | infobot | i heard shr is The Stable Hybrid Release (SHR), intended to be a community driven distribution composed of the FSO and some basic applications, that can be configured to use several different graphical toolkits, for example GTK or EFL. SHR is based on the FSO build. At first, SHR was introduced in order to use the Openmoko2007.2 GTK software in combination with the new FSO, but things have changed. |
| 01:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | FSO itself comes with a minimalistic dialer UI iirc |
| 01:56.28 | Tsesarevich | <pyra |
| 01:56.28 | phanboet | Total preorders: 703 [491 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 691x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 133, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 354}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-23 03:45:14 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
| 01:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | then there's also Paroli |
| 01:57.44 | dTal | I'm interested in things like call and text log databases |
| 01:57.54 | dTal | what layer is that usually implemented at? |
| 01:59.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | FSO |
| 01:59.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | middleware |
| 01:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd say |
| 01:59.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fso |
| 01:59.57 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, fso is the freesmartphone.org mobile devices middleware. http://www.freesmartphone.org// |
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| 02:21.59 | dTal | oh hello calc85maniac |
| 02:22.12 | dTal | crazy how much overlap there is in the channels I hang out in |
| 02:23.19 | calc85maniac | hey |
| 02:52.01 | klopsi-u3 | antiwar.com |
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| 03:08.18 | klopsi-u3 | Wally: we gotta be against genocide |
| 03:09.28 | klopsi-u3 | vampire grandma false flag sarin gas attack |
| 03:26.51 | *** kick/#dragonbox-pyra [klopsi-u3!~wally@apostlegayrape.space] by Wally (Your behavior is not conducive to the desired environment.) |
| 03:27.08 | Wally | He totally asked for that. |
| 03:28.26 | BlueMaxima | I don't even know what that means. |
| 03:28.35 | dTal | posted it simultaeously in #openpandora too |
| 03:29.24 | xxneolithicxx | is it that time of the day already, the trolls are out |
| 03:31.17 | dTal | I don't think he's a troll |
| 03:31.28 | dTal | at least not intentionally |
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| 03:34.56 | SuperRoach | Hah yeah dTal |
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| 03:40.53 | Wally | yeah... |
| 03:45.22 | Wally | klopsi-u3 i've had to ignore you via PM.. |
| 03:46.09 | klopsi-u3 | ? |
| 03:46.44 | klopsi-u3 | ##capitalism is a good place to discuss this stuff |
| 03:48.32 | Wally | Yes. This is not That channel. |
| 03:51.47 | Wally | klopsi-u3 go play with stoned. |
| 03:51.50 | Wally | He loves arguing |
| 03:53.43 | klopsi-u3 | join our channel |
| 03:54.07 | Wally | No |
| 03:54.13 | Wally | I have better things to do |
| 03:56.33 | Wally | klopsi-u3 are you drunk or high? |
| 03:56.52 | klopsi-u3 | i am stupendous |
| 03:57.15 | Wally | ... |
| 03:58.02 | klopsi-u3 | haven't smoked pot in 6 months |
| 03:58.17 | Wally | Did it fuck up your brain or something |
| 03:58.20 | klopsi-u3 | no |
| 03:58.37 | klopsi-u3 | are you implying i have said anything irrational? |
| 03:59.08 | klopsi-u3 | feel free to explain your case |
| 03:59.19 | klopsi-u3 | try |
| 03:59.28 | klopsi-u3 | you will never, ever win |
| 03:59.46 | Wally | I can just ban you. |
| 03:59.54 | klopsi-u3 | but you can't refute me |
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| 04:00.36 | Wally | Nobody is interested in wars here klopsi-u3. We're all here because of the Pyra. |
| 04:00.46 | klopsi-u3 | well |
| 04:01.25 | klopsi-u3 | aren't we fans of the pyra because we hate the domination of computing by big government |
| 04:01.35 | Wally | No. |
| 04:01.47 | klopsi-u3 | can i start a thread about that? |
| 04:02.32 | Wally | If you want. |
| 04:02.40 | Wally | but put it in off-topic |
| 04:03.20 | klopsi-u3 | heh |
| 04:03.26 | klopsi-u3 | tempting |
| 04:04.06 | Wally | Please stop posting stuff about it here though |
| 04:04.32 | klopsi-u3 | no |
| 04:04.47 | klopsi-u3 | freedom from oppression is core to pyra and pandora |
| 04:05.13 | Wally | Everyone is tired of it here klopsi-u3.. |
| 04:05.22 | Wally | You need to understand that |
| 04:05.24 | klopsi-u3 | you are projecting |
| 04:05.27 | Oksana | And channels should stay relatively on-topic. Are you interested in mobile or not-mobile edition of Pyra? |
| 04:05.59 | klopsi-u3 | both |
| 04:07.17 | Oksana | Are you going to pre-order both? ;p |
| 04:09.22 | klopsi-u3 | lets see how the thread does |
| 04:09.30 | klopsi-u3 | i don't like you Wally |
| 04:09.43 | Wally | Excellent. |
| 04:09.55 | klopsi-u3 | well i sort of do |
| 04:12.21 | BlueMaxima | not so excellentr |
| 04:13.16 | Wally | -_- |
| 04:14.21 | klopsi-u3 | what you suspect might be possibly wrong with the planet |
| 04:14.36 | klopsi-u3 | is probably not as bad as it really is |
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| 05:15.08 | warsh | not sure if it was already stated, but is all of the firmware on the pyra FOSS? |
| 05:15.14 | warsh | also good evening folks |
| 05:15.55 | slaeshjag | No. GPU drivers are blobs, and I think WiLink8 needs a firmware blob uploaded to it |
| 05:23.10 | warsh | I assumed the gpu drives, but wifi as well huh |
| 05:26.44 | Wally | Looks as if exagear isn't working on the Pandora with PyraOS |
| 05:27.17 | Wally | I mean exagear is working but games are not |
| 05:40.38 | warsh | any updates when the pyra might ship? |
| 05:40.58 | BlueMaxima | august / september at this rate |
| 05:41.56 | Blue_Shadow_3 | but to point out, thats the best case scenario |
| 05:44.44 | warsh | oy vey... |
| 05:48.02 | Wally | Exagear is borked. Wine is fucked. |
| 05:50.09 | Wally | Pandora runs out of memory too easily -_- |
| 05:52.39 | Wally | I have NFI how to debug this launch script |
| 05:57.17 | warsh | Wally: find the garbage file |
| 05:57.19 | warsh | hack the gibson |
| 05:57.23 | warsh | find all the solutions |
| 06:03.59 | Wally | warsh, i've pretty much done everything except delete the folders |
| 06:05.27 | BlueMaxima | delete the folders! |
| 06:06.04 | B-ZaR | <pyra |
| 06:06.04 | phanboet | Total preorders: 703 [491 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 691x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 133, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 354}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-23 08:00:18 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
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| 06:27.45 | Wally | Shit is working now |
| 06:36.21 | Wally | Turns out I forgot to declare all the launch files in the default.desktop file |
| 06:39.17 | BlueMaxima | tee hee hee |
| 06:39.29 | BlueMaxima | anything good working right out of the box |
| 06:40.44 | Pangolin | slaeshjag: Based on what I researched, the WiLink8 allows for a custom firmware to be used. Is that correct? |
| 06:42.24 | Pangolin | I seem to have found a company that implemented full monitor mode for WiLink8. |
| 06:42.57 | slaeshjag | I know nothing about the details |
| 06:43.20 | Pangolin | Apparently they had a website describing how it was done, but the company was bought out. |
| 06:44.08 | Pangolin | The website is 404 with no google cache or archive records. |
| 06:44.38 | Pangolin | OK, thanks for answering. |
| 06:57.12 | undexsym | Hi |
| 07:05.26 | warsh | hi |
| 07:05.41 | warsh | gj Wally |
| 07:09.24 | valhalla | just realized that debian includes at least a couple of packages of ringtones |
| 07:09.50 | valhalla | this is very "universal OS" indeed |
| 07:11.12 | luke-jr | Total preorders: 704 [492 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 692x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 133, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 355} @ 2016-05-23 07:11:11 UTC |
| 07:12.15 | warsh | hmm |
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| 07:16.16 | buZz | Pangolin: https://web.archive.org/web/20140205020546/http://www.integrity-project.com/wilink-monitor-mode-sniffer/ ? |
| 07:16.39 | buZz | > Want to see a demo? Contact us today and try our SD card image for Pandaboard! |
| 07:16.43 | buZz | :) |
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| 08:03.00 | Pangolin | buZz: Thanks! That is the site I was reffering to. I could not get it to show up last time I checked some internet archive databases. I'll add it to my notes. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only individual interested in having monitor mode for the Pyra; there are plenty of posts for it in the Pandora forum. |
| 08:08.07 | buZz | Pangolin: find some old employee of that company ;) |
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| 08:21.58 | Shlee | HEy |
| 08:24.12 | undexsym | slaeshjag: hahaha |
| 08:27.36 | luke-jr | Total preorders: 705 [493 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 693x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 133, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356} @ 2016-05-23 08:27:36 UTC |
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| 08:36.33 | Shlee | Woooooo |
| 08:38.36 | lukey | voices everywhere |
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| 09:19.01 | Wally | Gee lukey |
| 09:35.06 | BlueMaxima | GOLLY GEE GOSH |
| 09:41.09 | B-ZaR | JEEPERS |
| 09:42.34 | megaminxwin | Wally: please for the love of fuck de-voice me |
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| 09:43.09 | urjaman | megaminxwin: i heard you can command chanserv yourself too ... |
| 09:43.35 | Wally | Damn slaeshjag |
| 09:43.38 | Wally | fine megaminxwin |
| 09:43.39 | Wally | FINE |
| 09:43.43 | B-ZaR | so fine |
| 09:43.45 | *** mode/#dragonbox-pyra [-v megaminxwin] by ChanServ |
| 09:43.59 | urjaman | fiiiiine. |
| 09:44.10 | urjaman | okay, maybe that was too much |
| 09:44.17 | luke-jr | Wally: please for the love of pyra op me |
| 09:44.17 | B-ZaR | there's a fine line between fine and fiiiiine |
| 09:44.23 | Wally | WOW |
| 09:44.46 | megaminxwin | <3 |
| 09:44.58 | Wally | IS GOG DOWN? |
| 09:45.24 | megaminxwin | no |
| 09:45.33 | B-ZaR | nopers |
| 09:45.52 | Wally | I'm getting an "error" processing request |
| 09:45.58 | B-ZaR | it's you |
| 09:46.00 | Wally | D: |
| 09:46.03 | B-ZaR | you are Error |
| 09:46.09 | B-ZaR | go back to Zelda II |
| 09:46.24 | Wally | D: |
| 09:46.35 | B-ZaR | with your brother, Bagu |
| 09:46.38 | Wally | Works now I guess |
| 09:55.38 | Cloudef | Why am I tired? |
| 09:55.53 | Cloudef | Wally: I can't handle authority get rid of your OP hat or I'm triggered |
| 09:56.03 | B-ZaR | so you can move easily between locations |
| 09:56.34 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: I'm blaming the no lactose milk |
| 09:56.54 | B-ZaR | as good a patsy as any |
| 09:57.19 | BlueMaxima | Cloudef there is no 'or I'm triggered' |
| 09:57.21 | BlueMaxima | do, or do not |
| 09:57.24 | BlueMaxima | there is no not triggered |
| 09:58.09 | Cloudef | BlueMaxima: Your blue color triggers me |
| 09:58.17 | Cloudef | Go paint yourself pink |
| 09:59.31 | B-ZaR | Cloudef: you sound triggered about being triggered |
| 10:01.00 | *** mode/#dragonbox-pyra [+o Wally] by ChanServ |
| 10:01.05 | *** mode/#dragonbox-pyra [-o Wally] by ChanServ |
| 10:01.10 | Wally | Cloudef sure :) |
| 10:01.25 | Wally | Apologies, was dealing with klopsi-u3 earlier.. |
| 10:01.43 | Cloudef | I'm triggered that you are feeling sorry |
| 10:02.34 | B-ZaR | Cloudef: stop triggering yourself |
| 10:02.48 | Cloudef | I think my trigger is broken |
| 10:02.53 | Wally | Wow Cloudef. |
| 10:02.54 | Cloudef | or rather loose |
| 10:03.03 | Wally | washes Cloudef's pillows |
| 10:03.20 | Wally | Cloudef i'm in enough pain as it is.. The Pandora Wifi is the worst |
| 10:03.30 | Cloudef | zpyra |
| 10:03.35 | Cloudef | <pyra |
| 10:03.35 | phanboet | Total preorders: 705 [493 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 693x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 133, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-23 12:00:20 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
| 10:03.50 | Cloudef | Wally: I'm just being retard don't take it seriously |
| 10:03.55 | Wally | D: |
| 10:04.15 | Cloudef | 705 preorders ! |
| 10:04.30 | BlueMaxima | still not in production! |
| 10:04.35 | BlueMaxima | my wallet weeps. |
| 10:04.38 | Wally | blame slaeshjag |
| 10:05.15 | BlueMaxima | points at Wally |
| 10:05.16 | BlueMaxima | I BLAME YOU |
| 10:05.21 | Wally | WOW |
| 10:05.24 | Wally | I AM TESTING DBPS |
| 10:05.29 | Wally | I am making slaeshjag's system LOOK GOOD |
| 10:06.27 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: next month and I'm free |
| 10:06.34 | Cloudef | Hopefully I will catch fire again |
| 10:06.40 | B-ZaR | Cloudef: any plans? |
| 10:06.40 | Wally | Cloudef i'll take you! You're free |
| 10:06.46 | Wally | Make me all teh games |
| 10:27.46 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: no :D |
| 10:28.20 | Cloudef | I haven't done anything meaningful in past 3 years though |
| 10:28.25 | Cloudef | so I hope things will improve after this decision |
| 10:28.46 | B-ZaR | so going back to employment office courses? :) |
| 10:31.05 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: Maybe |
| 10:31.23 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: I'm going to have fun time telling them that I want to drawn loli porn |
| 10:31.30 | Cloudef | s/drawn/draw/ |
| 10:31.51 | B-ZaR | :o |
| 10:31.53 | B-ZaR | infobot |
| 10:32.09 | Cloudef | in best case I find something nice though that I can do living and doesn't feel like I break emotionally :P |
| 10:32.16 | B-ZaR | Cloudef: maybe they can direct you to some art groups |
| 10:32.20 | Cloudef | And that benefits me |
| 10:32.25 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: that would be nice |
| 10:32.59 | Cloudef | Or in the ultimate case, I create some mobile game, earn millions and buy house and shitpost internet all days |
| 10:33.02 | Cloudef | Just like notch |
| 10:37.41 | B-ZaR | the nice feature in notch's case was that his game was essentially a procedural sandbox for a very long time, so he didn't need to do much any content |
| 10:38.09 | B-ZaR | same for the art stye |
| 10:38.12 | B-ZaR | *style |
| 10:39.02 | B-ZaR | some other more recent comparable cases have always had increasing costs as the popularity increases due to more need for hand crafted contet |
| 10:39.08 | B-ZaR | s/contet/content/ |
| 10:39.42 | B-ZaR | so if you really want to go that route you should find a way to make your players make the content for you :P |
| 10:40.00 | Cloudef | I'll just let 4chan /v/ design the game for me |
| 10:40.31 | B-ZaR | you think they'll pay for it? |
| 10:40.42 | Cloudef | tbh though, I don't think I can do it. I can't do anything which motivation is money :P |
| 10:40.45 | B-ZaR | also, you think people outside /v/ will pay for a game designed by /v/ :P |
| 10:40.47 | Cloudef | I just can do things that I like to do |
| 10:41.00 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: well notch is /v/ person |
| 10:41.06 | B-ZaR | did not know this |
| 10:41.08 | Cloudef | and minecraft early development was strongly done there |
| 10:41.19 | Cloudef | though that said I don't think /v/ designed it :P |
| 10:41.31 | Cloudef | just notch shitposting there until he moved to reddit and now twitter |
| 10:46.45 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: I'm still very serious about that rendering engine compiler though, I just need something nice inspiration to start doing it, concept, good proto art whatever. Technical beauty doesn't matter if the product it hosts is crap or not interesting |
| 10:49.58 | Cloudef | http://xkcd.com/1683 |
| 10:52.49 | B-ZaR | Cloudef: I still think Nim might be a good fit for something like that. It compiles into C and you can do a lot of compile-time stuff depending on the specific engine being compiled. You wouldn't need to actually make a thing that spews C yourself, just use Nim's compiler to do that. |
| 10:54.44 | B-ZaR | if I've understood correctly what you intend, making the thing generate good code could become a common bug source |
| 10:55.09 | B-ZaR | anyway, you've thought about it more than I have :) |
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| 11:17.05 | Stainy | <pyra |
| 11:17.05 | phanboet | Total preorders: 705 [493 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 693x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 133, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-23 13:15:17 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
| 11:28.22 | megaminxwin | Cloudef: that xkcd comic made me sad when i saw it because its brutally true |
| 11:37.57 | urjaman | yeah, it's like.... yeah digital data can be copied losslessly, but people dont seem to bother ... |
| 11:38.21 | Cloudef | Yeah, I still have my music collection lossless for reason |
| 11:38.33 | Cloudef | I have only few that aren't :( |
| 11:38.55 | urjaman | i dont care if its mp3 or jpg, just dont re-encode it :P |
| 11:39.07 | urjaman | (or ogg, whatever) |
| 11:39.17 | Cloudef | urjaman: sadly it will happen due to either crappy software or new format |
| 11:39.27 | Cloudef | e.g. itunes transcodes shit behind your back |
| 11:39.45 | Cloudef | I have lots of physical cds I've ripped anyways. It's tedious though |
| 11:39.45 | slaeshjag | don't use ifumes then |
| 11:39.46 | urjaman | it's a lossy copy, but it'll only lose on the introduction... |
| 11:39.58 | urjaman | yeah dont use itunes, thats a given -.- |
| 11:40.03 | Cloudef | urjaman: some codes like ogg and speex don't actually degrade IIRC if you reencode |
| 11:40.11 | Cloudef | to same format that is |
| 11:40.26 | Cloudef | unless you specify more abusive quality I guess |
| 11:40.39 | urjaman | well, even jpg -> jpg doesnt actually degrade that much, = it reaches a limit :P |
| 11:40.45 | Cloudef | but I've also seen hilariously flacs that were not lossless at all :D |
| 11:40.52 | Cloudef | I mean the flacs were made from some transcoded itunes rip |
| 11:41.36 | urjaman | or like... text goes blergh with jpg, but ... after that it has become more jpg-compatible :P |
| 11:42.22 | megaminxwin | i have basically all my music in flac, the only times i dont are when its completely unavailable otherwise |
| 11:42.36 | megaminxwin | i do my best to have everything lossless and in an open format |
| 11:42.41 | megaminxwin | im a bit of an archivist snob |
| 11:42.54 | valhalla | metoo |
| 11:43.03 | valhalla | movies are bad for that, however |
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| 11:44.55 | megaminxwin | very bad |
| 11:44.58 | megaminxwin | *sighs* |
| 11:45.07 | megaminxwin | at least text is easy |
| 11:45.24 | megaminxwin | opendocument, txt, unicode |
| 11:45.32 | valhalla | still images can be done reasonably, sometimes |
| 11:45.58 | megaminxwin | images, music, and text, those are the easiest |
| 11:46.02 | megaminxwin | video is just |
| 11:46.04 | megaminxwin | painful |
| 12:01.08 | Cloudef | For lossless video you really want physical archive :P |
| 12:02.14 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: I'm pretty much considering it so that I create some specification format with ragel, and there is very few C that isn't generated. Game logic most likely is scripted on some higher level (like lua) all the fast paths would be generated based on specs and target hw attributes |
| 12:02.39 | B-ZaR | sounds fun |
| 12:02.43 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: e.g. right now I don't really at least consider I have need for anything more fancy |
| 12:02.55 | B-ZaR | looking forward to results :P |
| 12:03.05 | Cloudef | It also sounds quite boostrapable |
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| 12:04.17 | megaminxwin | Cloudef: is there even any way to do that, i mean film degrades and stuff |
| 12:04.20 | Cloudef | Hopefully I see 90% of code reducation from glhck, all that runtime stuff done by small tools compile time, with smaller code sizes due to things being predefined |
| 12:04.43 | Cloudef | megaminxwin: that's true :D |
| 12:04.58 | Cloudef | megaminxwin: I guess only option is huge disk farm then |
| 12:05.05 | megaminxwin | very huge |
| 12:05.08 | megaminxwin | sighs |
| 12:05.10 | megaminxwin | depressing |
| 12:05.26 | Cloudef | megaminxwin: hijack cloudflare and use their servers |
| 12:05.33 | Cloudef | or AWS or something |
| 12:06.19 | megaminxwin | even then its not particularly great |
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| 12:06.39 | megaminxwin | hardly any video content is available in lossless format anyway |
| 12:08.10 | Cloudef | yup |
| 12:08.21 | Cloudef | I guess FFV1 was developed for video archiving in mind though |
| 12:08.25 | Cloudef | (lossless) |
| 12:10.03 | buZz | <pyra |
| 12:10.03 | phanboet | Total preorders: 705 [493 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 693x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 133, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-23 14:00:17 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
| 12:10.08 | megaminxwin | no one encodes into ffv1 though |
| 12:11.56 | megaminxwin | as someone who wants to preserve everything and who also has chronic depression, i advise we move on since this is depressing |
| 12:12.28 | sketchstick | When screen recording, I use libx264-rgb for realtime lossless encoding. |
| 12:13.25 | sketchstick | It encodes in ultrafast preset, but once it's done I then reencode it in placebo to get the file-size down. |
| 12:13.54 | sketchstick | For editing, I also prepare a prores proxy file that's a lot fast to edit and swap in the lossless file just prior to rendering. |
| 12:15.53 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: there is job applicant to the career posting I made |
| 12:16.01 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: he has project called "Jari OS" |
| 12:16.09 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: is this coincedence? |
| 12:17.11 | megaminxwin | i said lets move on |
| 12:18.30 | buZz | megaminxwin: :D |
| 12:18.36 | buZz | i just saw you mentioned in a imgur pic |
| 12:18.41 | buZz | http://i.imgur.com/cGxpaFW.png |
| 12:18.45 | buZz | (non english) |
| 12:18.57 | buZz | also https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Mindy |
| 12:19.21 | megaminxwin | ...welp, time for sleep |
| 12:19.22 | megaminxwin | night |
| 12:19.30 | buZz | lol |
| 12:19.36 | buZz | run away! |
| 12:21.38 | sketchstick | I'm looking forward to seeing what NetVC will bring to the table. |
| 12:22.31 | B-ZaR | Cloudef: it's your alter ego |
| 12:22.37 | B-ZaR | the upstanding finnish youth |
| 12:23.04 | B-ZaR | the party-mingling people-person |
| 12:23.31 | B-ZaR | the money-motivated hipstercoder |
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| 12:29.15 | Cloudef | B-ZaR: nah it's just russian |
| 12:29.34 | B-ZaR | kay |
| 12:29.54 | B-ZaR | time to bike home o/ |
| 12:33.42 | lukey | <pyra |
| 12:33.42 | phanboet | Total preorders: 705 [493 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 693x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 133, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-23 14:30:15 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
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| 15:00.26 | Pangolin | <pyra |
| 15:00.26 | phanboet | Total preorders: 705 [493 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 693x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 133, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-23 17:00:19 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
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| 15:56.39 | Stainy | is it werking? |
| 15:59.00 | GodGinrai | what, your client? |
| 16:02.15 | Stainy | I guess it is :) |
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| 16:08.09 | urjaman | "client" |
| 16:09.16 | lukey | silent |
| 16:09.35 | urjaman | is in sauna using the Nokia 6630 in a plastic bagthing |
| 16:10.34 | urjaman | leaving now though |
| 16:10.43 | lukey | is not in sauna, not using an Nokia 6630 in a plastic bag |
| 16:11.16 | lukey | <pyra |
| 16:11.16 | phanboet | Total preorders: 705 [493 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 693x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 133, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-23 18:00:16 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
| 16:11.36 | lukey | parabel |
| 16:18.10 | lukey | notes further that he is not walking naked on an Vulcano and is not triying to get an LTE Signal with an transparent Pyra filled with mineral Oil |
| 16:19.05 | urjaman | meh |
| 16:19.39 | urjaman | the list of nots is infinite |
| 16:19.55 | lukey | its _not_ infinite |
| 16:20.01 | valhalla | oooo, the nokia 6630! |
| 16:21.40 | urjaman | i can easily construct a description of an infinite list of things i'm not doing |
| 16:22.24 | lukey | No you can't because your lifetime is limited, _not_ infinite |
| 16:23.02 | urjaman | just include a variable; a la 'i'm not dancing with x monkeys where x 1 ... inf' |
| 16:23.53 | urjaman | hey a description. not the actual infinite list :P |
| 16:24.14 | lukey | But that would be just one entry in the List |
| 16:24.25 | lukey | is right |
| 16:24.35 | urjaman | now my thumb is getting sore |
| 16:24.55 | lukey | Im typing this from an Pandora so it hasto be right |
| 16:25.11 | luke-jr | lukey: it's what you are NOT doing, so lifetime matters not |
| 16:25.20 | urjaman | maybe i should use a keyboard :P |
| 16:25.49 | lukey | luke-jr, But you can't create an infinite List with an finite lifetime |
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| 16:32.54 | luke-jr | lukey: you do not need to iterate a list, for that list to exist as a concept |
| 16:36.42 | urjaman | anyways the list of nots is infinite just because there's a limited amount of things you can be doing at once, and the list of different things one "could" be doing is infinite (as above) |
| 16:36.57 | urjaman | any limited number substracted from infinite is still infinite :P |
| 16:37.23 | lukey | I think my Pandora is damaged |
| 16:39.35 | urjaman | got depressed |
| 16:39.46 | urjaman | that basically means you're doing nothing, always |
| 16:39.54 | urjaman | that wasnt what i was going for ;P |
| 16:40.13 | lukey | "waiting for pyra" time is offtopic time for this Channel |
| 16:40.49 | lukey | Who has an Prototype allready? |
| 16:41.08 | lukey | Did the Devs sign an NDA? |
| 16:44.20 | undexsym | Hi |
| 16:44.44 | undexsym | Why is it so hard to lose weight |
| 16:45.09 | urjaman | gravity? ;P |
| 16:45.18 | undexsym | Hoho |
| 16:45.53 | undexsym | Anyone here happy with their weight? |
| 16:46.18 | urjaman | i'm continually fighting to exist at all ... |
| 16:46.28 | undexsym | HAES fatties and delusional stick figures need not answer |
| 16:46.30 | slaeshjag | not enough potatoes |
| 16:46.49 | urjaman | why do people always need to eat to survive -.- |
| 16:46.54 | urjaman | such a chore |
| 16:47.00 | slaeshjag | I don't mind my weight, but my belly peeks out a bit too far... |
| 16:47.21 | undexsym | I guess I mean physique |
| 16:47.59 | urjaman | i havent measured my weight in years i think... |
| 16:48.22 | slaeshjag | I haven't either |
| 16:48.30 | slaeshjag | but I should still be somewhere in the 60-70kg range |
| 16:48.32 | undexsym | IIRC you're quite thin? |
| 16:48.57 | urjaman | i was hovering around 60-65kg though |
| 16:49.16 | urjaman | (back in 2005 ;P) |
| 16:50.10 | undexsym | Weren't you a teenager back then? |
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| 16:50.27 | undexsym | That weight can't be right now |
| 16:50.34 | urjaman | not much has changed :P |
| 16:50.36 | undexsym | Or the range |
| 16:50.39 | slaeshjag | I was in that range about 5 years ago |
| 16:50.44 | slaeshjag | or 3 years ago even |
| 16:50.49 | urjaman | (or maybe 2007...) |
| 16:52.26 | urjaman | i'll go and test out the movable weight scale here, dangit :P |
| 16:53.05 | slaeshjag | that almost sounds like a word-for-word translation from finnish |
| 16:53.10 | undexsym | This is when he finds out he's 130kg |
| 16:53.23 | slaeshjag | I bet that's your weight |
| 16:53.54 | undexsym | If it were I'd have no problem losing weight |
| 16:54.15 | urjaman | it is |
| 16:54.18 | undexsym | I'm around 75kg atm |
| 16:54.40 | slaeshjag | I was doing good with the excersice |
| 16:54.43 | slaeshjag | then my bike got stolen |
| 16:54.52 | slaeshjag | 22km/day was no problem |
| 16:55.08 | undexsym | Need to lose weight so I can justify eating everything in japan |
| 16:55.14 | urjaman | siirtopainovaaka |
| 16:55.49 | undexsym | slaeshjag: where do you live again? |
| 16:56.06 | undexsym | I ask you this like once a week... |
| 16:56.13 | urjaman | 57kg |
| 16:56.26 | undexsym | Wow |
| 16:56.29 | slaeshjag | undexsym: as of last week, in a suburb to stockholm |
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| 16:57.18 | undexsym | I thought theft was deprecated in proper countries |
| 16:57.47 | undexsym | urjaman: you must be like 165cm right? |
| 16:57.48 | lukey | man theft |
| 16:58.10 | urjaman | 180cm or so |
| 16:58.28 | undexsym | Oh, undead then |
| 16:59.07 | urjaman | now need to find a measurement device for that too |
| 16:59.13 | slaeshjag | undexsym: depends on the area |
| 16:59.28 | slaeshjag | undexsym: this is a borderline ghetto, like 90% of people living here are of arab origin |
| 17:00.03 | undexsym | I didn't think it was possible to be 180cm and weigh that little |
| 17:01.01 | undexsym | slaeshjag: so Arabs are the trouble makers around there? |
| 17:01.17 | undexsym | How heavy are skeletons? |
| 17:01.47 | undexsym | <wa skeleton weight |
| 17:01.49 | phanboet | undexsym: WA: (data not available) ;; URL: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%73%6B%65%6C%65%74%6F%6E%20%77%65%69%67%68%74 |
| 17:01.58 | urjaman | 181.5cm says a random wall i drew a line on |
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| 17:02.16 | lukey | Ask them |
| 17:03.35 | slaeshjag | undexsym: all segregated areas tend to be trouble areas |
| 17:03.38 | undexsym | urjaman: could you quickly just weigh your skeleton thx |
| 17:05.05 | urjaman | -.- |
| 17:05.40 | urjaman | its not really removable |
| 17:09.20 | undexsym | SRS tho, why don't you weigh anything? |
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| 17:09.58 | urjaman | i'm pretty sure you _can_ weigh way less ... |
| 17:10.08 | aTc | blah... don't measure voltage between ground and live |
| 17:10.11 | urjaman | (or way... like 50kg) |
| 17:10.34 | undexsym | I'm pretty sure you can't while being alive |
| 17:11.04 | lukey | Just beam youself onto the moon |
| 17:11.27 | undexsym | Unless you're bound to a hospital bed |
| 17:11.55 | undexsym | Then again, you just got up to weigh yourself |
| 17:12.49 | lukey | Remove your DNA |
| 17:13.01 | lukey | Saves around 100g |
| 17:13.14 | lukey | And you don't die instantly |
| 17:13.41 | urjaman | yeah, only about as fast as from insane amount of radiation ... |
| 17:13.59 | undexsym | Can I see pics? |
| 17:14.10 | urjaman | of me?, no. |
| 17:14.37 | lukey | has an Book about radiation near |
| 17:14.48 | undexsym | :( |
| 17:15.39 | urjaman | but yeah i've been hovering around "underweight" "yay not underweight" "underweight" since 15yo, so i guess its just my genetics... |
| 17:17.41 | urjaman | doesnt really matter to me the actual values, i just try to eat a little more if i feel too stick-like |
| 17:17.55 | Elw3 | Or a broken thyroid. |
| 17:18.19 | halosghost | is so excited for the pyra |
| 17:18.47 | lukey | is so excited for the Pyra |
| 17:18.56 | lukey | finnaly OT stuff |
| 17:19.38 | halosghost | https://github.com/andlabs/libui â also, with that, hopefully I can actually start making some solid GUIs for my stuff that will be k on the Pyra |
| 17:19.41 | halosghost | suchexcite |
| 17:20.31 | Elw3 | There are 999 other good gui libs.... |
| 17:20.44 | lukey | tclsh |
| 17:20.45 | Elw3 | But yes, just use any new one. |
| 17:21.03 | lukey | ncurces |
| 17:21.41 | halosghost | lukey: writing a TUI with ncurses is horrible |
| 17:21.44 | urjaman | ncurses <3 |
| 17:21.48 | halosghost | some of the worst cocumentation I've ever read |
| 17:21.54 | halosghost | I love using ncurses applications |
| 17:21.54 | urjaman | :D |
| 17:22.01 | halosghost | I hate writing ncurses applications |
| 17:22.02 | halosghost | :) |
| 17:22.16 | urjaman | i've written one, but it wasnt really a TUI... |
| 17:22.21 | Elw3 | zenity is good enough for most stuff. |
| 17:22.23 | urjaman | or two actually now that i think, but nah |
| 17:22.23 | halosghost | urjaman: what was it? |
| 17:22.24 | aTc | i use zenity for everything |
| 17:22.39 | urjaman | halosghost: the pandora sudoku solver thing is one |
| 17:22.45 | halosghost | urjaman: kewl |
| 17:22.46 | lukey | Elw3, yes bash is my faforite programming lang |
| 17:22.56 | Elw3 | Zeniti is preinstalled on 99% of all linux. |
| 17:22.58 | urjaman | and the another one was a big ascii clock (not released anywhere) |
| 17:23.03 | halosghost | is zenity accessible from C? |
| 17:23.06 | Elw3 | What has that to do with bash? |
| 17:23.17 | urjaman | system("zenity...") ;P |
| 17:23.24 | halosghost | vomits a little |
| 17:23.27 | Elw3 | Or os.call |
| 17:23.32 | Elw3 | Or whatever you like |
| 17:23.41 | halosghost | so, the answer is ânoâ :) |
| 17:23.56 | lukey | Elw3, zenity is mostly used in shell scripts |
| 17:24.02 | urjaman | halosghost: it's just a thing for shell scripts |
| 17:24.09 | halosghost | urjaman: ¯\Ê·ᴥ·Ê/¯ |
| 17:24.09 | Elw3 | I use it in lua |
| 17:24.11 | urjaman | simple gtk+ windows from shell scripts |
| 17:24.14 | halosghost | Elw3: oh, cool |
| 17:24.17 | urjaman | so, use gtk+ |
| 17:24.25 | halosghost | Elw3: that's a solid use-case |
| 17:24.39 | urjaman | like "text" + yes/no things... |
| 17:24.39 | Elw3 | ... |
| 17:24.44 | halosghost | also, I don't have zenity installed on my machine :P |
| 17:24.47 | urjaman | 99% of pandora is zenity |
| 17:25.03 | Elw3 | It shuold be, zenity is a standard package. |
| 17:25.11 | urjaman | not really' |
| 17:25.18 | Elw3 | Yes |
| 17:25.21 | urjaman | nobody uses it as much as the pandora stuff :P |
| 17:25.41 | luke-jr | no, gtk sucks |
| 17:25.46 | luke-jr | use qt |
| 17:25.52 | halosghost | Elw3: I'm not talking about my pandora; I'm talking about my Arch system |
| 17:25.54 | urjaman | bash: zenity: command not found |
| 17:25.57 | aTc | dialog is probabably more standard |
| 17:26.04 | aTc | or probably |
| 17:26.05 | halosghost | luke-jr: if you make C-accessible Qt bindings for me, I'll use it |
| 17:26.10 | halosghost | luke-jr: till then, pass :) |
| 17:26.11 | urjaman | not on the arch AWS box, even though it has X libs and fluxbox etc |
| 17:26.29 | Elw3 | Sure qt.. just ad the extra 200mb overhead, no one will notice. |
| 17:26.32 | luke-jr | halosghost: glib isn't really C |
| 17:26.58 | luke-jr | Elw3: less overhead than gtk.. |
| 17:27.11 | Elw3 | gtk is standard. |
| 17:27.17 | urjaman | Qt isnt thaat bad, if you do it right, but ... |
| 17:27.18 | Elw3 | It IS there. |
| 17:27.26 | urjaman | nobody forces you on gtk+ :P |
| 17:27.31 | urjaman | my phone has Qt but not gtk :P |
| 17:27.33 | lukey | FLTK |
| 17:27.42 | Elw3 | Not a fan of gtk, but i is there on any system. |
| 17:27.47 | halosghost | lukey: hehe |
| 17:27.55 | lukey | Because dillo |
| 17:28.04 | halosghost | oh dillo |
| 17:28.05 | luke-jr | Elw3: no, qt is standard |
| 17:28.06 | halosghost | goodtimes |
| 17:28.20 | Elw3 | ... |
| 17:28.20 | halosghost | neither is standard; both are typical |
| 17:28.25 | halosghost | which is, I assume, what you mean |
| 17:28.30 | luke-jr | qt also themes native in gtk envs |
| 17:28.44 | lukey | We need an GUI that runs in Kernelspace like onwindows |
| 17:29.05 | luke-jr | gtk doesnt theme nice anywhere else |
| 17:29.13 | halosghost | luke-jr: framebuffer? :D |
| 17:29.19 | halosghost | s/luke-jr/lukey/ |
| 17:29.28 | comradekingu | lukey: when there are no competent UI devs? |
| 17:29.31 | Elw3 | Write it in html5 |
| 17:29.34 | luke-jr | qt can do fb too |
| 17:29.42 | Elw3 | Plays everywhere. |
| 17:29.46 | lukey | asm |
| 17:29.52 | lukey | + framebuffer |
| 17:30.00 | Elw3 | Perfeckt. |
| 17:30.08 | lukey | on RISCOS |
| 17:30.23 | Elw3 | Portable like fuck. |
| 17:30.25 | luke-jr | bbl but use qt |
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| 17:33.18 | lukey | Lua |
| 17:33.47 | Elw3 | LUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 17:33.55 | Elw3 | Madneeeeeees |
| 17:34.25 | lukey | halosghost, libui: "Runtime Requirements |
| 17:34.25 | lukey | Windows: Windows Vista SP2 with Platform Update or newer" |
| 17:34.34 | halosghost | lukey: it's cross-platform |
| 17:34.47 | halosghost | lukey: supports Windows, OSX and Linux |
| 17:34.50 | lukey | Ik |
| 17:35.00 | halosghost | then what's the issue? |
| 17:35.44 | lukey | why not Win NT 4.0 |
| 17:35.49 | halosghost | oh |
| 17:35.51 | halosghost | heh |
| 17:35.52 | halosghost | ¯\Ê·ᴥ·Ê/¯ |
| 17:35.54 | lukey | The API hasn't chaanged AFAIK |
| 17:36.09 | urjaman | lots of little things have |
| 17:36.13 | Elw3 | Not portable if not running on win 95 |
| 17:36.18 | urjaman | (been added mostly) |
| 17:36.34 | halosghost | Elw3: lol |
| 17:36.42 | urjaman | so yeah, you could target NT4 and run on a lot of stuff, but then might as well target Win95 :P |
| 17:36.54 | urjaman | less and less APIs .... |
| 17:37.14 | urjaman | and i guess mostly they dont want to bother setting up a windows side compiler that can target such an old windows |
| 17:37.21 | urjaman | and then test that ... |
| 17:37.54 | urjaman | but yes, i'm the one who'd say "why not XP?" ... |
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| 17:43.13 | halosghost | meh |
| 17:43.26 | halosghost | I like it because it offers a simple API for making GUIs in C |
| 17:43.38 | halosghost | don't really care much about supported platforms other than linux; they're just icing for me :) |
| 17:44.56 | comradekingu | I tried to look into qt and gtk+ programs and DEs here https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/enhancing-desktop-visuals-tweaks-and-installed-software.74507/ |
| 17:45.40 | REDYANK9 | Hi there, I would like to know which model had the GPS, Gyroscopes, etc. I don't really need the mobile phone option. Many thanks |
| 17:45.48 | comradekingu | DocScrutinizer ;) |
| 17:45.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for the noise |
| 17:46.08 | lukey_ | RedRingRico, Mobile Edition |
| 17:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | nickname expiry sucks |
| 17:46.18 | lukey_ | REDYANK9, ^ |
| 17:46.46 | Elw3 | That means gps IS the mobile chip. |
| 17:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 17:47.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | which drives RMS nuts ;-) |
| 17:47.33 | REDYANK9 | Thank you guys. I greatly appreciate the prompt replies |
| 17:47.40 | Elw3 | Dont tell me he commented... |
| 17:47.46 | lukey_ | DocScrutinizer05, Why |
| 17:47.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | see RYF specs |
| 17:48.08 | Elw3 | RMS mailed a flat stupid joke to my distro maintainer... |
| 17:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Elw3: well, actually he commented in a email to me |
| 17:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | on Neo900 though |
| 17:49.05 | lukey_ | DocScrutinizer05, but the modem doesn't need any propetry stuff |
| 17:49.14 | lukey_ | from the outside |
| 17:49.20 | urjaman | hte modem is made of proprietary stuff |
| 17:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 17:49.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | from the outside it's completely 'clean' |
| 17:49.49 | Elw3 | Is that all he does these days? Commenting other ppl? |
| 17:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | like a PL232 chip |
| 17:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | which btw also has some prolly proprietary firmware |
| 17:50.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | at leats the FTDI chips do, that I know for sure |
| 17:51.13 | urjaman | they run actual firmware? ... thats curious |
| 17:51.17 | Elw3 | On the chip? |
| 17:51.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | FTDI? yes they do |
| 17:51.42 | Elw3 | Access code is open source so far i can tell.. |
| 17:51.47 | urjaman | i kinda assumed they were just functionality-burned-to-solicon |
| 17:51.53 | urjaman | *silicon ... |
| 17:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 17:52.15 | urjaman | though, if the firmware is burned in, does it really matter... |
| 17:52.26 | urjaman | (except that its slower as there is "execution" ...) |
| 17:52.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ftdichip.com/FTFirmware.htm |
| 17:53.15 | urjaman | nah, not those chips |
| 17:53.23 | urjaman | i know the vinculums have firmware -.- |
| 17:53.25 | urjaman | FT232RL |
| 17:53.27 | urjaman | or similar |
| 17:53.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ftdichip.com/Firmware/Precompiled.htm |
| 17:54.46 | urjaman | yes, firmware for the Vinculum series |
| 17:55.01 | urjaman | those are basically just an MCU with an usb host controller :P |
| 17:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm not entirely sure about the FT232 series, but iirc they also have firmware |
| 17:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess how they inplement the vendor/product programmable ID and other stuff in http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/DataSheets/Cables/DS_TTL-232RG_CABLES.pdf |
| 17:57.06 | urjaman | "Internal EEPROM" |
| 17:57.19 | urjaman | but thats just "read byte from eeprom, put it out" |
| 17:57.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you think the core doing that is hardwired? |
| 17:58.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | it obviously runs a firmware |
| 17:58.37 | urjaman | okay, that just might, but does it matter? ... |
| 17:58.47 | urjaman | i was more concerned about the data transfer |
| 17:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | not for me. Maybe for RMS? ;-P |
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| 17:58.53 | *** mode/#dragonbox-pyra [+v lukey] by ChanServ |
| 17:59.14 | urjaman | these chips are really really good at their serial->usb transfer :P |
| 17:59.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | PLS8 is really really good at USB->LTE transfer ;-) |
| 17:59.50 | lukey | scince when do i have voice? |
| 17:59.59 | urjaman | since Wally |
| 18:00.05 | lukey | what can i do now? |
| 18:00.10 | urjaman | nothing |
| 18:00.17 | urjaman | (special, here that is) |
| 18:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only two things you can do now: brag about it, or get rid of it |
| 18:01.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically Wally's "like" button ;-P |
| 18:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you also can ignore it which is a third option I'm not sure you couldn't do before you had +V |
| 18:04.42 | lukey | Cool |
| 18:05.55 | lukey | just found out about infobot |
| 18:06.05 | lukey | whfg sbhaq bhg nobhg vasbobg |
| 18:06.50 | lukey | ...so i chose the third option |
| 18:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did `/msg chanserv flags #dragonbox-pyra $myACCOUNTname -* ´ since I don't want to contribute to the >>*** ChanServ gives lukey permission to talk.<< spam |
| 18:07.37 | lukey | `/msg chanserv flags #dragonbox-pyra |
| 18:08.15 | luke-jr | Total preorders: 706 [494 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 694x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 134, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356} @ 2016-05-23 18:08:15 UTC |
| 18:08.16 | lukey | $myACCOUNTname="" |
| 18:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | /msg nockserv info lukey |
| 18:10.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | /msg nickserv info lukey |
| 18:10.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | even |
| 18:11.08 | urjaman | typofest :P |
| 18:11.09 | GodGinrai | lukey: voice will let you talk when someone sets the channel to moderated. |
| 18:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | which never happened so far |
| 18:11.25 | urjaman | and that'll likely never happen |
| 18:11.26 | lukey | aj |
| 18:11.32 | lukey | ah |
| 18:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now it establishes a two classes between users |
| 18:12.05 | GodGinrai | lukey: but generally, the idea is + === members (that are not aTc) |
| 18:13.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody defined the criteria that entitles you to promote to the elite class of +V users |
| 18:14.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and isnce I generally don't want to be member of clubs who accept people like me as members... ;-) |
| 18:14.48 | lukey | Pyra Preorder as criteria |
| 18:14.51 | urjaman | back in the way back it used to be "devs" |
| 18:15.16 | urjaman | but now Wally just put it on anyone it seems :P |
| 18:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wally's "like" button, what I said |
| 18:15.46 | urjaman | yup |
| 18:16.12 | *** join/#dragonbox-pyra sketchstick (~sketch@sketchstick.com) |
| 18:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus >>*** ChanServ gives XXXXX permission to talk.<< sucks big time |
| 18:16.50 | GodGinrai | ^ yea I don't know what that is |
| 18:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | #freenode basically became unbearable from it |
| 18:17.04 | lukey | If ChanServ only was a real person |
| 18:17.07 | urjaman | i have such efficient filters that i rarely see that |
| 18:17.21 | GodGinrai | urjaman: I don't ever see that, and I don't have any filters |
| 18:17.23 | urjaman | except when you talk after joining, but whatever |
| 18:17.34 | urjaman | GodGinrai: even more efficient filter :P |
| 18:18.07 | urjaman | for me its 'Mode #dragonbox-pyra [+v lukey] by ChanServ' though |
| 18:18.22 | urjaman | (its whatever the client likes to show...) |
| 18:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, it's a [404] or whatever message |
| 18:19.02 | GodGinrai | urjaman: I see the mode set. So the "permission to talk" thing is DocScrutinizer05's client's way of showing the mode set? |
| 18:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 18:19.24 | GodGinrai | What client are you using? That seems really abstracted |
| 18:19.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | konversation |
| 18:19.36 | GodGinrai | ah |
| 18:19.42 | GodGinrai | I haven't used Konversation in years |
| 18:19.48 | GodGinrai | I guess I never noticed that. |
| 18:20.43 | lukey | I use XChat so i can fsck my SD Cards after an Crash on my Pandora |
| 18:20.56 | lukey | And still CHat |
| 18:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | for hexchat there's even a whole plugin to avoid that, which you damn sure want to use when you /join #freenode |
| 18:22.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | for konversation there's simply no known way to make it ignore the mode changes |
| 18:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw on #freenode eir does the vpoicing, not chanserv |
| 18:24.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | which makes sense since ACLs can only be so long, and there's not even a filter to find who's +o on ACL, among all those +V only records |
| 18:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | /msg chanserv access #dragonbox-pyra list |
| 18:25.20 | *** join/#dragonbox-pyra MaxLanar (~user@197-136-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr) |
| 18:25.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | glares |
| 18:26.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | /msg chanserv access #freenode list |
| 18:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | compare ^^^ |
| 18:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 18:27.38 | lukey | ChanServ doesn't want to talk with me |
| 18:27.53 | Elw3 | Not even the bot likes you. |
| 18:28.01 | Elw3 | Had to be said. |
| 18:28.06 | Elw3 | Out again, |
| 18:28.12 | lukey | But Wally does |
| 18:28.23 | urjaman | i used konversation last in the dark times of MSN (and KDE 3, but thats not the dark part :P) |
| 18:28.26 | Elw3 | Wally is worthless. |
| 18:28.54 | lukey | Humans are worthless |
| 18:29.07 | lukey | The Universe is too |
| 18:29.27 | Elw3 | If everything is: nothing is. |
| 18:30.24 | lukey | Those that aren't preordering are useless |
| 18:30.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | tags attribute "this is ACME-FOO" to * |
| 18:31.15 | lukey | *.* |
| 18:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | lukey: you should be able to do /msg chanserv help |
| 18:31.39 | lukey | Nothing |
| 18:31.45 | urjaman | might be ChanServ though |
| 18:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 18:32.07 | urjaman | i havent tested :P |
| 18:32.24 | lukey | Either |
| 18:32.25 | urjaman | just always though case matters ... |
| 18:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually doesn't |
| 18:32.40 | urjaman | *thought |
| 18:32.46 | urjaman | okay |
| 18:33.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | please try /msg DocScrutinizer05 test |
| 18:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | so wth is wrong with chanserv? |
| 18:34.06 | lukey | Hmm |
| 18:34.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | /query chanserv |
| 18:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe? |
| 18:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | just to see what's the response code when sending |
| 18:35.34 | lukey | It opens n new cnversation window for me |
| 18:35.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you have chanserv on your /ignore, to get rid of the *** ChanServ gives lukey permission to talk. X-P |
| 18:36.17 | lukey | Ignore list is empty. |
| 18:36.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc then |
| 18:36.29 | buZz | <pyra |
| 18:36.29 | phanboet | Total preorders: 706 [494 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 694x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 134, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-23 20:30:18 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
| 18:38.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | lukey: what's the result when you send "help2 in that /query chanserv window? |
| 18:38.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | help even |
| 18:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | thiough that doesn't make much difference, can also send foooo |
| 18:39.00 | lukey | help worked |
| 18:39.34 | lukey | Hmm ow it seems to work |
| 18:39.41 | lukey | now* |
| 18:39.58 | lukey | What did i want to do again? |
| 18:40.13 | urjaman | lol |
| 18:40.55 | lukey | ah that list thing |
| 18:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | access #dragonbox-pyra list; maybe? |
| 18:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | or help flags |
| 18:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually flags #dragonbox-pyra lukey -* ? If you want to nuke your ACL record |
| 18:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you *really* want that |
| 18:43.31 | lukey | No |
| 18:43.55 | lukey | :P |
| 18:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I feel better, YMMV ;-) |
| 18:44.34 | lukey | wtf YMMV |
| 18:44.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf ymmv |
| 18:44.59 | lukey | yep |
| 18:45.26 | TrashyMG|Work | woah woah... there is another bot in the channel... what are your feeling phanboet? |
| 18:45.48 | lukey | let phanboet talk with infobot |
| 18:45.51 | infobot | pets phanboet |
| 18:47.46 | lukey | <pyra |
| 18:47.46 | phanboet | Total preorders: 706 [494 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 694x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 134, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-23 20:45:15 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
| 18:47.54 | lukey | Good Boy |
| 18:48.38 | vagrantc | $activity in this channel sure has picked up since the preorder was announced |
| 18:49.14 | lukey | Offtopic activity |
| 18:49.20 | *** join/#dragonbox-pyra freakazoid0223 (~matt@pool-108-52-4-99.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 18:49.27 | lukey | except for <pyra |
| 18:49.27 | TrashyMG|Work | lukey, eh nothing different. |
| 18:49.53 | urjaman | it was always offtopic |
| 18:50.03 | urjaman | now theres just mooore |
| 18:50.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think activity is way more on topic than a maybe 21 months ago, when I said "sometimes this channel feels like listening to somebody doing a phonecall... in the subway" |
| 18:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2 months actually |
| 18:51.07 | TrashyMG|Work | Well it can't be all discussion on Old computers and spilt milk. |
| 18:52.05 | lukey | O.k. then different Topic: Why Pyra is shit |
| 18:52.14 | TrashyMG|Work | spilt milk isn't a metaphor. |
| 18:52.15 | lukey | ACTION |
| 18:52.24 | lukey | Fun |
| 18:52.32 | lukey | GoGoGo |
| 18:52.42 | urjaman | yeah literal spilt milk |
| 18:53.45 | TrashyMG|Work | and one of the oddest conversations I've logged into. |
| 18:54.25 | lukey | But its often so silent here |
| 18:54.49 | urjaman | thats just irc |
| 18:54.50 | TrashyMG|Work | it wakes up at night so I found out when I was drunk last Thursday. |
| 18:55.03 | slaeshjag | well, your night is our morning |
| 18:56.44 | TrashyMG|Work | I would've been right at home when I was still doing a 12 hour night shift. |
| 19:00.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ugt |
| 19:00.19 | infobot | well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 19:00.42 | TrashyMG|Work | ~WTFBBQ |
| 19:00.42 | infobot | wtf |
| 19:00.52 | TrashyMG|Work | ... |
| 19:01.28 | halosghost | oh, I've always interpreted UGT's time for any person not actively leaving/entering to be mid-day |
| 19:01.43 | halosghost | i.e., the localtime is still irrelevant |
| 19:03.42 | TrashyMG|Work | So with UGT it's not okay to drink hard liquor if you're on IRC, Unless no one logs in for a while? |
| 19:04.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 19:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's always late $somewhere on this globe |
| 19:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it'S always later than last evening |
| 19:04.56 | TrashyMG|Work | not sure I can live with it being morning all the time. |
| 19:04.57 | lukey | But it seems to be okay to smoke hard stuff sometimes |
| 19:09.13 | sketchstick | Yay, messing with a 15GB repository on a 300kBps connection. |
| 19:10.04 | *** part/#dragonbox-pyra mcpi (~user@213.220.149.146) |
| 19:14.09 | lukey | Worse than Pandora's WiFi |
| 19:14.28 | TrashyMG|Work | so you have 5*56K and a 300Baud modem tied together? |
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| 19:32.06 | *** mode/#dragonbox-pyra [+v Binky] by ChanServ |
| 19:33.50 | DaMummy|Y500 | god wtf is going on the forums lately? |
| 19:34.32 | lukey | Yeah only OT Stuff |
| 19:34.36 | lukey | :P |
| 19:34.46 | lukey | Everywhere |
| 19:35.42 | TrashyMG|Work | I'm confused how is that different than normal? |
| 19:36.56 | lukey | But it could be that everything about the Pyra iwas discussed allready |
| 19:41.19 | buZz | i was laughing WAY too hard at https://www.pyra-handheld.com/wiki/images/9/91/Terminator-Hasta-La-Pyra.jpg |
| 19:42.16 | GodGinrai | what is this about the nubs? Did I miss a new news post? |
| 19:51.30 | buZz | i think that was a reference to nubs issues on pandora, not sure |
| 19:51.33 | buZz | i wasnt around |
| 19:54.53 | GodGinrai | ah |
| 19:55.54 | aTc | shouldn't have checked the forums... |
| 19:57.32 | aTc | another one of those "i've never used linux before, i'd like to write device drivers for it" posts |
| 19:57.43 | aTc | who aparently also doesn't like to do lowlevel stuff |
| 19:58.03 | GodGinrai | lol |
| 19:58.04 | buZz | ^_^ |
| 19:58.11 | freakazoid0223 | ??? |
| 19:58.12 | buZz | forums arent my favorite medium either |
| 19:58.14 | aTc | would be nice to get someone who actually knows something |
| 19:58.34 | lukey | hns |
| 19:58.44 | GodGinrai | aTc: you could try scouting on freenode in other channels |
| 19:59.28 | aTc | https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/information-regarding-development-for-the-pyra.77357/ |
| 20:00.33 | GodGinrai | oh, I remember this topic XD |
| 20:01.09 | aTc | at least he managed to compile a hello world, that sgx driver should be finished soon |
| 20:02.09 | lukey | and hardware video aceleration |
| 20:02.21 | aTc | that's actually the same |
| 20:02.41 | aTc | the 2d stuff simply uses the 3d driver |
| 20:02.41 | lukey | Really |
| 20:02.54 | lukey | No not for scaling |
| 20:02.59 | aTc | well, the official ti 2d driver does |
| 20:03.03 | aTc | well, did |
| 20:03.17 | aTc | since they deleted every trace of it |
| 20:03.20 | TrashyMG|Work | descoped |
| 20:03.29 | aTc | yeah, they couldn't get it to work either |
| 20:04.04 | lukey | The IVA HD thing or whatever |
| 20:04.07 | aTc | and stuff for that other 2d chip that's supposed to be in there is even harder to find |
| 20:04.24 | buZz | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Power-VR-Open-Chatter |
| 20:04.30 | buZz | wouldnt it be nice :D |
| 20:04.37 | lukey | And TILER |
| 20:04.47 | urjaman | moronix as usual |
| 20:05.46 | aTc | yeah, they probably mean fixing their existing "open" kernel crap |
| 20:06.16 | buZz | perhaps |
| 20:06.21 | aTc | and probably only for current chipsets |
| 20:06.40 | aTc | not 4 year old obsolete stuff |
| 20:07.24 | aTc | and if you ask, they just point you at the old 3.8 drivers |
| 20:08.38 | buZz | https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/37h2a9/i_work_for_imagination_technologies_mips_powervr/crn232h |
| 20:16.25 | comradekingu | Its almost like they now have that problem that everyone else has been having |
| 20:17.02 | comradekingu | On that note, it would actually be interesting to get one of their mips boards if they pull something off |
| 20:17.40 | TrashyMG|Work | can't hug people with MIPS... |
| 20:18.09 | GodGinrai | "we're working on it" |
| 20:18.14 | GodGinrai | talk about a stock quote |
| 20:18.28 | GodGinrai | They just say that to keep the FOSS hyenas at bay |
| 20:18.52 | comradekingu | That is less arrogant coming from ImgTec though |
| 20:22.21 | aTc | they're probably afraid someone will do a better job at the drivers than themselves |
| 20:23.38 | GodGinrai | aTc: Nope, they just want people to pay them money to have their devs make drivers for them. |
| 20:24.10 | TrashyMG|Work | so similar to the Pandora/Pyra model. |
| 20:25.10 | TrashyMG|Work | except substitute drivers with cheap community slave labor. |
| 20:25.28 | GodGinrai | erm, I believe i was too vague with they/their/them |
| 20:25.37 | GodGinrai | I meant that people would pay PowerVR money |
| 20:25.41 | GodGinrai | for PowerVR's devs |
| 20:25.48 | GodGinrai | to make drivers for those people |
| 20:26.01 | GodGinrai | Although it could be as you describe |
| 20:26.11 | aTc | the pandora 3d drivers mostly came from the n900 |
| 20:26.12 | TrashyMG|Work | it made sense the third time I read it. |
| 20:26.14 | GodGinrai | who actually makes the powerVR drivers for the omap? TI or PowerVR? |
| 20:27.02 | aTc | mainly powervr |
| 20:28.02 | GodGinrai | k |
| 20:28.14 | aTc | ti does fix a few things in the open bits |
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| 20:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | aTc: why are you ooking at 20 days old forum threads? |
| 21:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote thta guy didn't sound *that* bad |
| 21:01.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | he at least preferred linux PC over windows for doing the crosscompiling |
| 21:02.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway for driver development you best stay in close touch with the hw folks |
| 21:04.06 | aTc | i check the forums about once a month |
| 21:04.19 | aTc | apart from the stuff on the stalker |
| 21:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah. Way more frequently than I do: never |
| 21:05.23 | *** join/#dragonbox-pyra Klumpen (~klumpen@x4e341315.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 21:05.29 | Klumpen | hi |
| 21:10.49 | TrashyMG|Work | yo |
| 21:11.03 | TrashyMG|Work | and time to leave work... |
| 21:12.22 | buZz | it seems mini-pcs are becoming more popular daily |
| 21:12.26 | buZz | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gole1-cheapest-windows10-intel-touch-mini-pc/ |
| 21:13.09 | aTc | 1080p 1280x720 ? |
| 21:14.09 | buZz | yeah :D |
| 21:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | well. a nice black frame doesn't look bad, eh? |
| 21:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah wait, nonsense |
| 21:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 1280 tricked me |
| 21:14.59 | *** join/#dragonbox-pyra Stainy (a8f40536@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.168.244.5.54) |
| 21:15.13 | GodGinrai | lol, good luck doing anything in Windows 10 on that device with *that* resolution |
| 21:15.19 | GodGinrai | it's a capacitive touchscreen |
| 21:15.26 | GodGinrai | you'll touch like 5 things anytime you do anything |
| 21:16.00 | Klumpen | woah, thunderstorm |
| 21:16.12 | comradekingu | :))) |
| 21:16.50 | aTc | that means you can work 5 times faster |
| 21:17.28 | GodGinrai | aTc: if your work involves causing fatal errors |
| 21:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus you get time compression by factor 720/1080 |
| 21:18.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | progressive!!! ;-P |
| 21:18.27 | GodGinrai | also, how is 720x1080 Full HD? |
| 21:18.40 | aTc | the 1080p is probably the hdmi out |
| 21:19.01 | GodGinrai | well |
| 21:19.02 | Stainy | what we talking about?> |
| 21:19.10 | GodGinrai | it says 5" FHD Touch |
| 21:19.11 | GodGinrai | so |
| 21:19.16 | GodGinrai | it would have to be the screen |
| 21:19.18 | aTc | fake hd |
| 21:19.42 | aTc | or it's 1080p interpolated :) |
| 21:20.01 | Klumpen | @Stainy: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gole1-cheapest-windows10-intel-touch-mini-pc/ |
| 21:20.03 | aTc | like they do with those 500megapixel webcams |
| 21:20.12 | Klumpen | another bullshit indiegogo |
| 21:20.24 | GodGinrai | the sad thing is... there are 31 idiots who don't see these flaws |
| 21:21.03 | Wally | Hello |
| 21:21.05 | Klumpen | that's what most people say about us pyrates |
| 21:21.07 | aTc | well there's already loads of other $80 win 10 tablets |
| 21:21.24 | Klumpen | only that we're more than 31 |
| 21:22.11 | GodGinrai | Klumpen: yea, but aside from the "it's a cell phone" thing, EvilDragon isn't saying anything that is off-kilter |
| 21:22.17 | aTc | http://www.banggood.com/Chuwi-Vi8-Plus-32GB-Intel-X5-Cherry-Trail-T3-Z8300-Quad-Core-8-Inch-Windows-10-Tablet-p-1019427.html |
| 21:22.44 | aTc | guess it's not the cheapest anymore |
| 21:23.06 | GodGinrai | Klumpen: And at least "It's a cell phone" is something that it could be described as as a stretch, whereas that chinese device claiming "Full HD" is just straight up false advertising. |
| 21:24.24 | Klumpen | why would someone want to run Win10 anyway? |
| 21:24.35 | Klumpen | I still don't understand |
| 21:24.47 | GodGinrai | Klumpen: plus the chinese device talks up Win10, which would be utterly useless on this device due to its dpi + capacitive screen |
| 21:25.08 | Wally | Drivers too? |
| 21:25.18 | Wally | KVACK slaeshjag.. KVACK |
| 21:25.23 | GodGinrai | Wally: hrm? |
| 21:25.49 | Wally | These people probably piece together teh device with drivers they have found on the internet |
| 21:26.10 | aTc | win10 is actually pretty usable on a screen like that |
| 21:26.14 | Wally | or make a VERY basic driver.. that does nothing but look at the appliance and say "hey.. you exist" |
| 21:26.29 | GodGinrai | Wally: they probably just expect Android and Win10 to provide them |
| 21:26.43 | GodGinrai | aTc: at a lower resolution, maybe |
| 21:27.48 | aTc | well, i've only tried it on one of those cheapo 8" tablets.. but it works reasonably well if the application properly supports the dpi settings |
| 21:29.04 | GodGinrai | aTc: this device uses a 5" screen. That's much smaller than an 8" |
| 21:29.09 | Klumpen | What happened to Win8 on mobile devices? Do those get undeniable forced "upgrades"? |
| 21:29.47 | GodGinrai | Klumpen: I believe Win10 is the only thing that forces upgrades |
| 21:30.11 | GodGinrai | In fact, Win10 is about to go behind a paywall to upgrade to, from what I hear |
| 21:31.43 | Wally | Yeah. |
| 21:31.52 | Wally | Microsoft PayWall TM |
| 21:32.28 | aTc | yeah, end of next month.. i'll probably have to upgrade an entire office |
| 21:33.05 | aTc | at least the pro version doesn't whine about upgrading |
| 21:35.39 | Klumpen | thunder and lighting above, I'll shut this thing down, good night |
| 21:35.42 | *** part/#dragonbox-pyra Klumpen (~klumpen@x4e341315.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 21:36.48 | aTc | that doesn't really help at all |
| 21:37.41 | Wally | I think we're going Win 10 shortly at work |
| 21:37.49 | Wally | It's going to be pretty crappy really |
| 21:38.00 | Wally | I mean it asks you everytime.. how you want to open a document |
| 21:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | as if shutting down would help |
| 21:38.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah aTc beat me to it |
| 21:38.41 | aTc | only problems ive had with it is it forcing its own crap as the default application to open stuff with |
| 21:39.05 | aTc | which microsoft claim was a bug, but they don't seem to have fixed it |
| 21:39.21 | Wally | That's what I mean lol |
| 21:39.26 | GodGinrai | aTc: he could have been shutting down because he was going to unplug. |
| 21:40.04 | GodGinrai | aTc: or shutting down because in the case that the power cuts off, (assuming his pc is safe) he didn't want to deal with being cut-off mid-work/gaming/discussion |
| 21:40.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, get a decent UPS |
| 21:40.48 | GodGinrai | DocScrutinizer05: the person who you should tell that to is not here |
| 21:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know :-) |
| 21:41.16 | Wally | Who are we talking about ;) |
| 21:41.16 | GodGinrai | Because he's busy not getting a UPS :P |
| 21:41.36 | aTc | power didn't even cut off here when lightning struck my neighbours house and blew up the fuse box |
| 21:41.52 | Wally | Aussie power stuff is pretty protected really |
| 21:41.57 | Wally | Most things are earthed |
| 21:42.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | at least Imm sure shutting down this one isn't nedd ;) |
| 21:42.31 | aTc | most power cuts here were cause by me |
| 21:42.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | meeded* |
| 21:42.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | dang |
| 21:43.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | fingers getting thicker every year, it seems |
| 21:44.08 | aTc | had one earlier today even, was measuring some voltages in a remote controlled extension cord thing |
| 21:44.19 | GodGinrai | DocScrutinizer05: now imagine trying to use those tiny-little buttons on the screen of the Gole1 |
| 21:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeew |
| 21:44.53 | aTc | and measured between ground and live, instead of live and neutral |
| 21:45.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually looking forward to Pyra for IRC etc |
| 21:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | aTc: hehehe |
| 21:45.53 | aTc | at least it proved my rcd stuff works properly |
| 21:46.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 21:46.07 | Wally | IRC on the Pyra doesn't interest me at all |
| 21:46.21 | Wally | because X-Chat is balls |
| 21:46.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's evidence you're using crappy probing instruments |
| 21:46.54 | GodGinrai | I'll do IRC on the Pyra if I can get a data plan that will hold up well enough that I won't be constantly disconnecting whenever I move |
| 21:46.57 | aTc | well, not in this case.. this meter has a loZ mode |
| 21:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the LED type duspol |
| 21:47.04 | buZz | probes someone crappily |
| 21:47.12 | GodGinrai | Wally: X-chat is balls, so use irssi |
| 21:47.16 | GodGinrai | Wally: or weechat |
| 21:47.24 | GodGinrai | Wally: or ii |
| 21:47.24 | buZz | GodGinrai: maybe balls are preferred |
| 21:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders what Z has his Keysight U12xx in lowZ mode |
| 21:48.01 | GodGinrai | buZz: given that he said IRC *doesn't* interest him on the Pyra due to this, I would assume not. |
| 21:48.02 | buZz | i wouldnt exclude the option anyway |
| 21:48.22 | aTc | which has the advantage that it autoswitches between ac and dc, and i had to measure both the mains, and the 20v dc going to the relay |
| 21:48.31 | GodGinrai | aTc: a Legend of Zelda mode? :P |
| 21:48.49 | aTc | yeah.. it says "hey listen" every time you measure something |
| 21:49.00 | Wally | Navi?!? |
| 21:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | krhrhr, aTc which model7brand?` |
| 21:50.37 | buZz | kik |
| 21:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | do oyu know how Z is loZ? |
| 21:50.44 | aTc | http://wreck.k-n-p.org/mm.jpeg |
| 21:50.51 | buZz | HEY LISTEN .. 2.12 volts |
| 21:51.09 | buZz | i see an esp8266 |
| 21:51.34 | aTc | yes, it's the same as the one you saw last time i posted that picture |
| 21:51.40 | buZz | sweet |
| 21:51.48 | buZz | it didnt change in between then |
| 21:52.00 | aTc | no, that isn't a live view of my multimeter |
| 21:52.06 | GodGinrai | aTc: lol |
| 21:52.14 | buZz | refreshes |
| 21:52.23 | buZz | hmm |
| 21:52.36 | buZz | hold your hand in front of it while i refresh :P |
| 21:54.14 | Wally | Hold the door |
| 21:54.30 | GodGinrai | Hold the phone |
| 21:55.31 | aTc | "AutoV mode input impedance increases abruptly from initial 2.1k⦠to a few hundred kâ¦âs on highvoltage hard signals" |
| 21:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah PTC |
| 21:56.03 | Wally | BOOM |
| 21:56.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | so pretty close to the LED duspol concept |
| 21:56.31 | Wally | aTc goes BOOM |
| 21:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~240/2100 |
| 21:57.17 | infobot | 0.114285714286 |
| 21:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a 200mA RCD you could get away with it ;-) |
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| 22:02.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | U1233 LowZ input impedance nominal: 3k Ohm :-o |
| 22:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty hefty regarding power dissipation at 600V |
| 22:04.33 | Wally | aTc do you have a solution for the Pandora memory problem? |
| 22:04.40 | Wally | in the Pyra Debian |
| 22:05.53 | GodGinrai | "Pandora memory problem"? |
| 22:06.47 | aTc | "Peak initial load current, while probing 1000VAC for example, can be up to 673mA (1000V x 1.414 / 2.1 kâ¦), decreasing abruptly to approx. 2.4mA (1000V x 1.414 / 580kâ¦) within a fraction of a second." |
| 22:07.00 | Wally | Where the pandora runs out of memory and crashes. |
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| 22:08.09 | Lightkey | <pyra |
| 22:08.09 | phanboet | Total preorders: 706 [494 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 694x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 134, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-24 00:00:19 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
| 22:08.25 | Lightkey | only three /o\ |
| 22:09.11 | Wally | We're going to get to 10,000 somehow |
| 22:13.07 | Wally | 1,000* |
| 22:15.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | aTc: yup, PTC |
| 22:15.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | smart simple circuit |
| 22:15.33 | GodGinrai | Wally: I don't seem to remember having this problem. Most crashes I've had have been due to unstable clockspeeds or accidentally reseating the battery |
| 22:16.09 | Wally | <wa pi |
| 22:16.10 | Wally | <wa pi in 10 digits |
| 22:16.11 | Wally | GodGinrai you're not using the PyraOS are you :P |
| 22:16.13 | phanboet | Wally: WA: Ï ;; URL: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%70%69 |
| 22:16.14 | phanboet | Wally: WA: 3.141592654 ;; URL: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%70%69%20%69%6E%20%31%30%20%64%69%67%69%74%73 |
| 22:16.49 | GodGinrai | Wally: ah. So this is a problem in the PyraOS when running on Pandora hardware? |
| 22:17.03 | aTc | no, it's a problem in Wally |
| 22:17.19 | GodGinrai | aTc: I could see that |
| 22:18.00 | aTc | you just need to enable some swap if you run out of ram |
| 22:25.26 | Wally | Ah yeah. |
| 22:25.44 | Pangolin | GodGinrai: Have you considered using a Pi as a irssi/weechat server with mosh? Low power consumption and no WWAN roaming issues. |
| 22:26.21 | Pangolin | Oh, he signed off... |
| 22:26.24 | aTc | hmm...you could probably run irc on a esp8266 |
| 22:26.40 | Pangolin | Mmmm...you think so? |
| 22:27.16 | Pangolin | is not being sarcastic. |
| 22:27.25 | aTc | probably not with a huge history |
| 22:27.47 | Pangolin | That is what I was thinking. |
| 22:27.56 | Wally | Running IRC on a wifi module haha |
| 22:28.53 | Pangolin | I have one in front of me. I was thinking about configuring it to pull the latest number of pre-ordered Pyras every so often and display it on its OLED screen. |
| 22:29.10 | Pangolin | With a countdown. |
| 22:29.17 | aTc | https://gist.github.com/gdamjan/64fb6d6152ed1f9c8178 |
| 22:29.21 | Wally | and a nuclear alarm when they get to 1000 |
| 22:29.37 | Pangolin | Correct...plus 2 months |
| 22:29.46 | Wally | Crazy russians. |
| 22:31.49 | aTc | hm, most stuf is for running it as an irc bot |
| 22:32.53 | Binky | This tracking page claims my parcel is at the "sortation facility" |
| 22:32.53 | Pangolin | Yeah, you have an input issue otherwise. If thre is enough memory, you could serve a website for the user to see chat and input messages. |
| 22:33.10 | Binky | since when was "sortation" a word? |
| 22:34.16 | xxneolithicxx | its a circular sorting, its a facility where they sort shit out in circles :-) |
| 22:34.59 | xxneolithicxx | <--- as uninformed as the person who wrote the word, i know.... |
| 22:39.16 | xxneolithicxx | are we there yet |
| 22:39.20 | xxneolithicxx | <pyra |
| 22:39.20 | phanboet | Total preorders: 706 [494 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 694x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 134, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-24 00:30:16 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
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| 23:01.33 | SuperRoach | Good morning all |
| 23:03.59 | Wally | Morning Brett! |
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| 23:06.47 | RaeCarruth | hi all |
| 23:07.29 | RaeCarruth | can anyone tell me about the prospective audio quality, via headphones? How does it compare to something like an iPod? Cowon D2? iBasso DX80? |
| 23:08.03 | Elw3 | It is 40% better. |
| 23:08.13 | RaeCarruth | than what? |
| 23:08.20 | Wally | RaeCarruth Nobody knows. We don't have a pyra yet! |
| 23:08.33 | RaeCarruth | the chips have been chosen though? right? |
| 23:08.36 | Wally | but you might be able to gather the info from schematics or wiki yeah |
| 23:08.50 | Elw3 | Isnt it the same chip from th pandora? |
| 23:08.56 | Elw3 | Or is that just the amp? |
| 23:09.18 | Elw3 | I _think_ it is the same. |
| 23:09.25 | aTc | it isn't |
| 23:09.43 | Elw3 | But the amp is? |
| 23:09.49 | Wally | I think they changed the amp |
| 23:09.52 | RaeCarruth | I can't see anything on the tech spec page |
| 23:10.03 | Elw3 | Huh? When, where? |
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| 23:10.45 | Wally | ED has promised audiophile stuff |
| 23:10.57 | RaeCarruth | that's what I've heard but which chips? which amp? |
| 23:11.38 | Elw3 | A 40% better one. |
| 23:12.04 | Wally | RaeCarruth, I think Elw3 is trying to say he has NFI |
| 23:12.31 | aTc | hm, the one ti just removed the docs of |
| 23:12.31 | RaeCarruth | that much is clear |
| 23:12.37 | RaeCarruth | thanks for your help Elw3 :D |
| 23:12.41 | aTc | pasted a link to that stuff last week, and it's gone now :) |
| 23:12.48 | Wally | yay |
| 23:12.57 | Lightkey | haha |
| 23:13.06 | Wally | This guy on the forum too though https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/appimage-instead-of-pnd.77478/#post-1380436 |
| 23:13.20 | aTc | http://www.ti.com/product/twl6040 |
| 23:13.50 | aTc | i think they also put the pandora stuff on the prototype board |
| 23:13.58 | aTc | but not sure what's going to happen to that |
| 23:14.16 | aTc | or what extra crap is going to be added |
| 23:14.33 | Wally | yeah nobody really knows yet. |
| 23:20.02 | Wally | Yeah no worries RaeCurruth |
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| 23:20.34 | RaeCarruth | \o/ |
| 23:20.37 | Wally | :D |
| 23:20.54 | RaeCarruth | can someone post that link again |
| 23:20.56 | RaeCarruth | please |
| 23:21.02 | RaeCarruth | the pyra link |
| 23:21.02 | Wally | [09:13:18] <aTc>http://www.ti.com/product/twl6040 |
| 23:21.07 | RaeCarruth | the one before |
| 23:21.19 | Wally | It's got nothing to do with audio but [09:13:04] <+Wally>This guy on the forum too though https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/appimage-instead-of-pnd.77478/#post-1380436 |
| 23:21.22 | RaeCarruth | merci |
| 23:22.28 | RaeCarruth | is the twl6040 confirmed? |
| 23:23.21 | Wally | yes |
| 23:28.51 | Pangolin | OK so when talking GSM/GPRS/EDGE support, the world is split into two: one side using 900/1800mhz with the other side being 850/1900mhz. My question is, do both variants of the Mobile Pyra support at worldwide GSM/GPRS/EDGE? |
| 23:29.18 | Wally | sighs |
| 23:29.32 | Wally | Actually.. |
| 23:29.39 | Wally | That's a really good question |
| 23:29.41 | Wally | Should be fine. |
| 23:29.49 | aTc | it's all on the site |
| 23:29.57 | aTc | https://www.dragonbox.de/en/45-pyra |
| 23:30.35 | Elw3 | staaay calm Wally |
| 23:30.51 | Pangolin | Thanks, believe me I've tried to research this before bothering everyone. I have a table with all the freqs and bands highlighted. My table shows that both variants should support worldwide GSM/GPRS/EDGE |
| 23:31.11 | Wally | There's a really good graph on that page |
| 23:31.55 | Elw3 | <pyra |
| 23:31.55 | phanboet | Total preorders: 706 [494 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 694x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 204, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 134, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-24 01:30:14 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html |
| 23:32.04 | Elw3 | Slowly rising? |
| 23:32.18 | Elw3 | 766... |
| 23:32.25 | Pangolin | Yes, I see. I made my own after someone in this chatroom mentioned that compatibility should be based on band number and not frequency alone. |
| 23:32.35 | SuperRoach | Need 750! |
| 23:32.56 | Elw3 | So, milestone reached? |
| 23:34.02 | SuperRoach | Well for that no... its 706 |
| 23:34.11 | Wally | We already have 706 ;) |
| 23:34.18 | Wally | 750* i you include the pre-preorders |
| 23:34.24 | SuperRoach | He needs 750 to have enough money for a non split 1000 order |
| 23:34.31 | Elw3 | 60 pre-pre-pre,,, |
| 23:34.52 | SuperRoach | Ah. Yeah the prepre increments his money less of course |
| 23:35.04 | Wally | I think ED said it needs to be 900 now or something |
| 23:35.07 | Pangolin | Wally: Thanks for humoring me. I wanted verification that my research was correct. I intend to use the Pyra in the US, and I am fine with only having GSM/GPRS/EDGE while traveling. |
| 23:35.27 | Elw3 | I still need to convert. |
| 23:35.28 | Wally | Just use wifi |
| 23:35.50 | Wally | Elw3 hurry up |
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| 23:36.00 | Elw3 | And i will probaly buy enough shop vouchers to buy it without a third bank transfer. |
| 23:36.10 | Pangolin | ED Quote: "Once we have about 900 preorders, we have enough funds from the downpayment to start a full production of 1000 units." |
| 23:36.15 | Pangolin | https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/cases-colors-and-emails.77466/ |
| 23:36.33 | Wally | ^ That |
| 23:36.43 | Elw3 | 900 for 1000 sounds tight. |
| 23:36.51 | SuperRoach | Ty |
| 23:36.59 | Wally | SuperRoach got any cool VR stuff lately? |
| 23:36.59 | BlueMaxima | that's with 5% failure rate compensation iirc |
| 23:37.02 | Elw3 | Like no profit in there. |
| 23:37.06 | SuperRoach | Its 900 half/preorder payments remember |
| 23:37.12 | SuperRoach | Not full payment. |
| 23:37.15 | BlueMaxima | Profit comes later ;P |
| 23:37.16 | Wally | That's true. |
| 23:37.28 | Wally | ED said he needs to sell 3000 units to be out of debt with investors |
| 23:37.30 | RaeCarruth | \o/ |
| 23:37.41 | RaeCarruth | how much is he in the hole for? |
| 23:37.41 | Wally | That'd be a happy day. |
| 23:37.42 | SuperRoach | It'd be different if it was a full downpayment amount |
| 23:37.45 | SuperRoach | Yeah |
| 23:37.46 | Elw3 | I imagine many will pay it fully now. |
| 23:37.49 | Wally | Quite a bit RaeCarruth |
| 23:38.00 | Elw3 | The vouchers work for that... |
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| 23:38.17 | RaeCarruth | is any of that from the open pandora UK fiasco? |
| 23:38.19 | Wally | Yay the net split is done! |
| 23:38.20 | RaeCarruth | is this all new debt? |
| 23:38.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pangolin: ((talking GSM/GPRS/EDGE )) see http://neo900.org/faq#networks |
| 23:38.53 | Wally | ED is also giving people who didn't get their pandoras a pyra at cost |
| 23:39.08 | Elw3 | investments are no real debts. |
| 23:39.24 | RaeCarruth | neo900 could do with a new body |
| 23:39.35 | Wally | Once the case moulds are done then that's pretty much that |
| 23:40.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, use band number, not frequency which is somewhat bogus |
| 23:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | RaeCarruth: the new body is exactly what we can't afford |
| 23:43.43 | RaeCarruth | pity - i loved my nokia n900, still the best 'phone' I ever had |
| 23:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the whole project originated from "is there any existing case we could use for GTA04?" |
| 23:43.58 | aTc | hm, the soldering station i bougt 8 years ago for 45 euro is now 87 on the same site |
| 23:44.02 | SuperRoach | Vr stuff wally - vr lans with people online rocks. Indie games are good |
| 23:44.09 | aTc | should have invested my money in those |
| 23:44.14 | Wally | I will be able to join you in VR land soon |
| 23:44.22 | SuperRoach | Space sims are zomg |
| 23:44.29 | Elw3 | Invest in soldering stations? |
| 23:44.39 | SuperRoach | And i havnt even playef elite dangerous yet. Your getting vr too? |
| 23:44.48 | aTc | it nearly doubled in price |
| 23:44.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://markmail.org/message/4mawtyyeizlcejss?q=android |
| 23:45.02 | Wally | Yeah getting a Vive soon |
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| 23:48.19 | Pangolin | ] Thanks Doc. I'll look i |
| 23:48.27 | Pangolin | *into it |
| 23:49.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pangolin: yw |
| 23:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pangolin: note that afaik Pyra only offers the US and Eu version of PLS8 |
| 23:50.24 | RaeCarruth | USA |
| 23:50.49 | Wally | enabled swap. stuff works now |
| 23:51.05 | Wally | I should just use the 512MB Nand as SWAP |
| 23:51.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 23:51.29 | Wally | aTc if I were to map the rest of the pandora keys would you want that file? |
| 23:51.30 | xxneolithicxx | Wow thats a larger color pallette than I expected shown on the forum |
| 23:51.55 | aTc | why bother |
| 23:52.04 | aTc | just use the existing one |
| 23:52.08 | RaeCarruth | did anyone reconfigure their open pandora keyboard for dvorak or colemak? |
| 23:52.33 | Wally | It's missing crap though. |
| 23:52.36 | Wally | like $ :P |
| 23:52.43 | Wally | I know 4 is mapped to $ |
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| 23:57.55 | aTc | https://git.openpandora.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openpandora.oe.git;a=blob;f=recipes/pandora-system/pandora-skel/pndXmodmap;h=77c4c2a8723420bab3a728f7e2e0d09bc49625de;hb=HEAD |
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| 23:58.20 | aTc | is that what you're trying to make ? |
| 23:59.32 | aTc | it's loaded using that xinitrc there |
