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| 05:04.57 | Semizzle | http://hardcashd3.com/D3countdown.html |
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| 05:28.40 | Tamer | That countdown is 15 hours off :) |
| 05:28.57 | Tamer | Soon I shall be ravaging the Taiwan servers. |
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| 06:16.55 | naw | beta still up |
| 06:16.58 | naw | ? |
| 06:17.03 | Sixen | Yup, for 4 more hours |
| 06:19.50 | naw | gief key then ^^ |
| 06:20.15 | naw | can't play come release, got so much schoolwrk |
| 06:26.52 | naw | Sixen: (06:58:29) (@Sixen) I have 5 keys to spare, who wants dem keys? |
| 06:27.21 | Sixen | I never said that o_O |
| 06:28.22 | naw | must be an imposter |
| 06:28.26 | naw | with op |
| 06:28.59 | naw | I can't play, even if I were to receive a key, because the eu.battle.net site is down |
| 06:29.18 | naw | so receiving a key at this point would be QWEQEJPQEJQWEJQDAS |
| 06:35.15 | Nekora_ | You're honestly not missing that much. I understand why they did it, but the beta is honestly way too little content. I love the beta myself because Ithink it shows the game has great promise, but a lot of people can't look past the fact that there's not much content, and that it's very easy, and that the skill system hasn't opened up yet. |
| 06:38.04 | naw | Nekora_: I need to know how it runs on my PC |
| 06:39.42 | Nekora_ | Is your video card on the edge of the requirements or something? |
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| 06:41.24 | naw | dno |
| 06:41.49 | naw | don't know the reqs, and simply looking at them only gives you an idea |
| 06:42.13 | naw | sometimes games don't run well on ur pc, even if it crushes the reqs |
| 06:42.29 | Nekora | It SHOULD be fine. |
| 06:42.48 | naw | Do you play DotA 2? |
| 06:43.02 | Nekora | I have not gotten a key for it. |
| 06:43.13 | naw | but u know how it looks |
| 06:43.18 | Nekora | D3 is not doing anything technically amazing with the graphics. It has excellent art. But it's not pushing the technical limits. |
| 06:43.35 | naw | if dota 2 has higher reqs than d3, then I'll be fine I guess |
| 06:43.43 | Nekora | I figure it does. |
| 06:43.56 | naw | u signed up at playdota.com as well as the valve opt in? |
| 06:44.12 | Nekora | No, I haven't. I haven't cared that much. |
| 06:44.22 | naw | I received 5 back in November ^^ |
| 06:44.26 | naw | received no more |
| 06:54.23 | naw | Sixen: The player who hits level 60 the fastest come launch is the world first, agreed? |
| 06:54.33 | naw | shortest amount of played |
| 06:54.34 | naw | I mean |
| 07:04.15 | Sixen | no |
| 07:04.23 | Sixen | world first is the first person in the world to hit 60 |
| 07:05.59 | Nekora | That is why I always say that D2's ladder was not a meaningful competition. It did not measure player skill as much as it measured who was able to spend the most time playing the game. |
| 07:06.14 | naw | well.. athene will hit 60 first since he gets to play 6? 8? hours before everyone else |
| 07:06.20 | naw | so it's not a world first |
| 07:06.56 | naw | player who hits 60 with the best played is the true world first |
| 07:08.11 | naw | I doubt Athene will hit level 60 first though.. Russian D2HCCL players will DDOS Athene and hit 60 first :) |
| 07:09.30 | Nekora | Who the hell is Athene? |
| 07:10.19 | naw | lol |
| 07:10.47 | naw | best poker player, best sc2 player, best WoW and games in general strategist in the world |
| 07:10.56 | Nekora | I find that hard to believe. |
| 07:11.05 | naw | It's true :D |
| 07:11.24 | Nekora | Considering that I've never heard of him winning in a serious SC2 tournament. |
| 07:11.43 | naw | He's actually very smart, he finds all kinds of ways to hit world firsts |
| 07:12.21 | naw | Nekora: That's because he doesn't play any SC2 tournaments LOL |
| 07:12.33 | Nekora | Then how is he the best SC2 player? o.o |
| 07:13.28 | naw | duh.. he's the best gamer in the world.. not really.. but he was ranked #1 for some time :p |
| 07:21.36 | naw | Nekora: when did u receive ur d3 key? |
| 07:21.38 | naw | I take it u did |
| 07:21.51 | Nekora | Way back in February or so. Mabye early march. |
| 07:23.30 | naw | I opted in for the beta the day it was available and I received no key, sucks. |
| 07:24.01 | Daemaro1 | 15 days you get to play. :P |
| 07:24.20 | naw | too busy with school |
| 07:25.03 | Nekora | This is actually the first Blizzard beta I've gotten. |
| 07:25.15 | naw | I'll probably be able to play on the 16th and 17th if I don't have lots of catching up to do.. ( days off ) |
| 07:26.52 | Nekora | Yeah I'm not going to have much time on the 15th myself. Finals the next day. |
| 07:26.56 | Nekora | But eh. |
| 07:31.03 | naw | Do you guys also have the 16th and 17th off? ascension day..? not sur LOL |
| 07:31.31 | Nekora | I do not. |
| 07:31.53 | naw | perhaps it's only ppl living in Sweden/Nordic countries |
| 07:33.04 | Nekora | Probably. |
| 07:33.40 | naw | means we have somewhat of an advantage |
| 07:33.57 | naw | I know some people will take those days off.. and most bosses will probably know what diablo 3 is LOL |
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| 07:41.05 | Kaulov_ | Imma miss the beta.. |
| 07:41.06 | Kaulov_ | ;-; |
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| 08:04.49 | Tamer | Goodbye, 76.12 dps DH :( |
| 08:08.34 | Kaulov_ | Goodbye badass WitchDoctor that I loved so much. |
| 08:09.44 | Kaulov_ | Goodbye staying up late every school night wasting my time on D3 beta even though I'm going to go to summer school for not getting my work done then will probably not even get it done over the summer because of your release date being on the last day/week of my school |
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| 08:19.17 | naw | Kaulov_: What? Du slutar la i Juni som alla andra ? :D |
| 08:19.29 | Kaulov_ | ..Wha? |
| 08:19.37 | Kaulov_ | Can you speak American? |
| 08:19.38 | Kaulov_ | :< |
| 08:19.56 | naw | Kaulov: server: lindbohm.freenode.net (Stockholm, Sweden) |
| 08:20.00 | naw | when I whois you |
| 08:20.25 | Kaulov | Wtf? |
| 08:20.49 | naw | yeah.. no idea why it says you're from Sweden if you're not |
| 08:20.56 | naw | but then again.. it says I'm from Texas:D server: moorcock.freenode.net (TX, USA) |
| 08:21.06 | Kaulov | I'm from Texas.. |
| 08:21.21 | naw | I guess freenode is stupid |
| 08:21.23 | naw | can't whois :D |
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| 08:21.25 | Kaulov | Very |
| 08:22.46 | naw | Kaulov: Anyway.. what I said is "Don't you finish school in June like everyone else?" which would be true if you were from Sweden LOL |
| 08:23.03 | Kaulov | Lol |
| 08:23.14 | Kaulov | I finish..Actually the weekend D3 comes out |
| 08:23.38 | Kaulov | has Geometry which is veeeerrrryyyy far behind..Then English which is just the normal "very" far behind. |
| 08:23.39 | naw | Cool |
| 08:23.49 | Kaulov | So, I'm fucked. |
| 08:24.02 | Kaulov | Probably repeating Sophomore year |
| 08:24.09 | Kaulov | Well, not repeating |
| 08:24.19 | Kaulov | But having extra work moved onto my Junior year |
| 08:24.50 | naw | uhm.. let's see if I got this right.. ur 18? 19? |
| 08:25.10 | Daemaro1 | 17? |
| 08:25.57 | Daemaro1 | or 16? |
| 08:26.01 | Kaulov | I'm 16 |
| 08:26.06 | Daemaro1 | SCORE FOR ME |
| 08:26.10 | naw | oh.. I didn't get that right :p |
| 08:26.21 | Kaulov | I'll be 17 in December. |
| 08:26.30 | naw | k.. then I was close.. somewhat |
| 08:26.55 | Kaulov | But yeah, I hate school. :x |
| 08:27.01 | naw | not too familiar with ur system |
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| 08:27.19 | Kaulov | Meh, I'm not using a normal system. |
| 08:27.29 | Kaulov | All my work is on the computer |
| 08:27.29 | Daemaro1 | I dropped out of school at 16. :P |
| 08:27.35 | Kaulov | Wish I could |
| 08:27.40 | Kaulov | Parents won't let me |
| 08:27.46 | Kaulov | Else I'd be studying for the GED |
| 08:27.49 | Daemaro1 | Tell them you're 16 and you legally can. |
| 08:28.03 | Daemaro1 | At least you can in my state. |
| 08:28.13 | Kaulov | At 18 I legally can. While I'm still young they have a choice. |
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| 08:31.31 | Kaulov | To be fair, I'll need a GED anyways |
| 08:31.48 | Kaulov | There's a rumor going around that the diplomas my school gives out isn't legit |
| 08:31.59 | Kaulov | So I'll probably have to take one once I'm out. |
| 08:32.08 | Daemaro1 | Wouldn't surprise me. You planning on going to college though? |
| 08:32.30 | Kaulov | Do I want to? Fuuuuck no. Will I make myself? Sadly yes. |
| 08:32.56 | Kaulov | But after high school, I am taking a full year off |
| 08:33.00 | Kaulov | Then I'll go. |
| 08:33.22 | naw | Kaulov: I dropped out during my first year and started over the following year |
| 08:33.44 | Kaulov | Lucky you lol |
| 08:33.51 | naw | I'm currently @ year 2 now ( year 3 in the US ) of high school |
| 08:34.08 | Daemaro1 | college = what you guys call university there |
| 08:34.16 | Daemaro1 | and college to you guys we call highschool?. I think |
| 08:34.29 | Daemaro1 | or something.... |
| 08:34.44 | Daemaro1 | maybe its university is highschool? |
| 08:34.46 | Daemaro1 | I cant remember. |
| 08:34.50 | naw | high school in Sweden = year 10, 11 and 12 |
| 08:34.55 | naw | in us it's 9, 10, 11, 12 I think |
| 08:34.56 | Daemaro1 | yeah. |
| 08:35.35 | Daemaro1 | I know in england though the words are all jumbled, didn't know if it was a european thing or just english. :P |
| 08:35.49 | Daemaro1 | like instead of highschool they call it university i think is what it is |
| 08:35.50 | naw | what years are college? |
| 08:36.04 | Kaulov | 1-5..I think.. |
| 08:36.20 | Daemaro1 | college doesnt have "years" its where you go to get like your degree and stuff |
| 08:36.31 | naw | yeah but |
| 08:36.50 | Daemaro1 | Well you can spend like 10 years in college if you want |
| 08:36.57 | naw | u have universities as well, is there a significant difference between the two? |
| 08:37.21 | Kaulov | Truthfully, I don't know why I'm gonna make myself go to college. I'll probably do something incredibly lame with my life just because there is nothing I wanna do with it. |
| 08:37.27 | Daemaro1 | umm i think universities are just more expensive, but they may be a step up too. |
| 08:37.55 | Daemaro1 | I think after 2-4 years you may have to go to a university to persue like a masters degree and stuff |
| 08:38.20 | Daemaro1 | Well Kaulov I think thats something you really need to think about while you finish school. |
| 08:38.36 | Kaulov | Have been since 8th grade |
| 08:38.39 | Kaulov | I got nothing. |
| 08:38.59 | Kaulov | I love computers, but hate math with a passion. I refuse to go work on computers |
| 08:39.07 | Kaulov | That would just make me hate my job. |
| 08:39.16 | naw | school is for containment purposes only |
| 08:39.16 | Daemaro1 | If you're okay with working a fast food, janitorial, retail, or factory job for the rest of your life, more power to you. No shame in it. Someone has to do those jobs. You won't make a ton of money though. |
| 08:39.41 | naw | my sister's ( teacher ) ex ( also a teacher ) told me that |
| 08:39.50 | Daemaro1 | US education is really damn expensive |
| 08:39.52 | naw | that it serves no purpose |
| 08:40.13 | Daemaro1 | so personally the last thing id want to do is take out like student loans and then decide after 2 years I don't want to go anymore |
| 08:40.20 | Daemaro1 | and then have to work retail paying that off |
| 08:40.49 | naw | Daemaro1: A girl at school said that most kids nowadays who further educate themselves all get top grades, and that "personality" is what will get you your job |
| 08:40.53 | Kaulov | Daemaro1: For a year or so, I wouldn't mind working at an iHop as a waiter. You can get a lot of nice tips from the iHop in my town. Someone I know made $800 in tips alone a whole week. ;x |
| 08:40.54 | naw | she had obviously read it somewhere |
| 08:40.58 | naw | since she's not that bright |
| 08:41.13 | Kaulov | Butt I obviously wouldn't want that as a permanent thing |
| 08:41.16 | Kaulov | But* |
| 08:42.00 | Daemaro1 | personality wont get you shit nowadays. Its sort of sad though, 30+ years ago you just showed up and did a trial basis and if you could do it they hired you, now they want to see the piece of paper saying you can do it and wont even look at you if you dont have it. |
| 08:42.33 | naw | Daemaro1: I'm moving to SG when I'm done with my studies.. not sure what I'll be studying though.. :) There's something called a "Tuition Grant", gov. paying 80ish% of the tuition fees should you sign a contract to work for a SG based company for 3 days following school. I might apply for that :D |
| 08:42.58 | Daemaro1 | Kaulov being a waiter is not great, in my state, pretty sure its the same everywhere, they don't make minimum wage so they have to supplement with tips. Also women get a LOT more tips than men on average. |
| 08:43.18 | Kaulov | Oh, I know |
| 08:43.31 | Daemaro1 | Those sorts of things aren't too bad naw, as long as you know what you want to do. |
| 08:43.34 | naw | Daemaro1: Yeah I know, but they'll hire the ones who are eager to work and are the right people for the job. Everyone has top grades anyway, the people who study at least LOL |
| 08:43.34 | Kaulov | And it's minimum wage here. |
| 08:43.45 | Kaulov | No idea how it's not minimum wage where you're at |
| 08:43.54 | Daemaro1 | A lot of professions will actually pay for your education if you work for them after for so many years. |
| 08:43.56 | Kaulov | But it's minimum wage at the very least, plus tips |
| 08:44.25 | naw | People at my ex-brother-in-law's workplace were given offers to come work for some other company @ $9K/month |
| 08:44.28 | Daemaro1 | Kaulov I think it has something to do with the government taking account of your tips as wages too. |
| 08:44.39 | Daemaro1 | jesus. |
| 08:44.41 | Kaulov | Lame. |
| 08:44.51 | naw | but they turned the offers down because they enjoyed their current jobs |
| 08:45.09 | Kaulov | Yeah, no idea wtf I'm gonna do. |
| 08:45.24 | Kaulov | I'll probably live in a box with a laptop near a library |
| 08:45.33 | Kaulov | Just slip in when it's open |
| 08:45.34 | naw | Kaulov: The world is fucked up, it's all about money and letters on a fancy paper :) |
| 08:45.36 | Kaulov | charge the laptop |
| 08:45.39 | Kaulov | play me some D3z |
| 08:45.52 | Daemaro1 | Getting a degree is a struggle though, I know a lot of people who got one and cant even find a job to pay back the loans, or the government is wants so much back at once that it's impossible to pay with the interest. |
| 08:45.54 | Kaulov | <_<; I like my plan if that's the case, naw. |
| 08:46.30 | naw | When I hear people tell me to get a driving license because it gives me a better chance of finding a job I want to fucking throw up |
| 08:46.49 | Kaulov | I have a drivers license, will I get insta-hired? |
| 08:46.53 | naw | get achievements in wow and have a better chance of finding a job is basically what it means |
| 08:46.55 | Kaulov | And I'm only 16 :x |
| 08:47.02 | naw | even if it makes no sense at all |
| 08:47.23 | naw | same with military service, it also makes people more likely to hire you |
| 08:47.26 | naw | at least in Sweden. |
| 08:47.37 | Daemaro1 | yeah |
| 08:47.52 | Daemaro1 | its become less about your actual hard work and more about pieces of paper saying you can work hard |
| 08:48.34 | naw | I never had a job, ever. I always needed one but for reasons I won't tell you I never bothered looking for one. I'll try to start over in SG and get a job, but I won't take the path everyone else takes |
| 08:48.46 | Kaulov | That's stupid though. o_o I would work harder than most people at the Job I DO want |
| 08:49.23 | naw | Daemaro1: If I do something better than someone else I'm doing something better than someone else, a paper doesn't mean he's any better. I totally agree. |
| 08:49.26 | naw | Life is not a video game |
| 08:49.38 | naw | It's not a Paper of the Bear giving you extra stamina and strength |
| 08:50.42 | Kaulov | I have a question..am I fucked when I move out? :( |
| 08:50.50 | Kaulov | Be truthful. |
| 08:50.59 | Daemaro1 | It's sort of a scam |
| 08:51.18 | Daemaro1 | if you taught yourself.... to be a plumber like fully legit |
| 08:51.25 | Daemaro1 | and a guy went to school for it and got a degree |
| 08:51.32 | Daemaro1 | he'd get the job |
| 08:51.44 | Daemaro1 | and the government would probably profit from his loans |
| 08:51.57 | naw | Daemaro1: I believe that people who graduate w/o top grades or honours are smarter and often better people than the ones who do. Grades doesn't show you ambition, it tells you how much approve of the fucked up system.. |
| 08:52.02 | Daemaro1 | What do you mean are you fucked? :P Do you have any way to pay bill.s? |
| 08:52.20 | naw | if you got top grades, some fancy degree and perhaps even a lame title, ur just telling everyone that you're willing to kiss everyone's ass |
| 08:52.28 | Kaulov | Obviously not yet. No job. Still living with parents. <.< |
| 08:52.36 | Daemaro1 | brb sec |
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| 08:53.00 | Kaulov | I could probably be a plumber though..I do have family members completely rich because they own a plumbing business. |
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| 08:53.13 | Kaulov | Their company got featured on some TV show a while back lol |
| 08:53.24 | Daemaro | Kaulov if you are interested in it you can get a apprenticeship from one of them |
| 08:53.29 | Daemaro | and not have to go to school |
| 08:53.36 | naw | if you get ur degree because you recognize it's importance in the society we live in, then it's cool, but u shouldn't look down on ppl w/o the education. I hate those ppl ^^ |
| 08:53.48 | Kaulov | I'm considering that now. |
| 08:54.17 | Kaulov | Dae, you may have just helped me figure out what I'll do until I get depressed from the same old schedule every day and blow my brains out |
| 08:54.19 | Kaulov | Thanks! |
| 08:54.29 | Daemaro | I have a 8th grade education, I dropped out in the very beginning of 9th grade. I went and got my GED, I'm happy with that. Anxiety prevents me from working most jobs anyways. |
| 08:54.45 | Daemaro | Kaulov, same schedule, thats every job. :P |
| 08:54.51 | Kaulov | Yep |
| 08:54.51 | Kaulov | >_> |
| 08:55.44 | Kaulov | Benjamin Franklin plumbing it is. |
| 08:55.55 | naw | Daemaro: lol, I can't handle interviews because of my childhood. Shit parents, shitty place to live in and indecent people wherever I look |
| 08:56.16 | Daemaro | Sounds a lot like my problems naw |
| 08:56.25 | Kaulov | o_o; |
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| 08:56.47 | naw | If I listed Blizzard as my mom and dad I wouldn't be lying |
| 08:57.11 | Daemaro | :P Mom - PC, Dad - Internet |
| 08:57.23 | naw | pretty much |
| 08:57.40 | Kaulov | I'm guessing you two had it rough? |
| 08:57.52 | naw | still do |
| 08:57.53 | naw | :D |
| 08:57.56 | Daemaro | Well it coulda been worse but it was not good at all. |
| 08:58.33 | naw | mom n dad are both old, no real education, a sister with TOP education and a sister who's somewhat of a rebel |
| 08:58.36 | Daemaro | It's left me with so much anxiety that pretty much any job I do will have to be online, which is what I do now. Thankfully I have that |
| 08:58.53 | Kaulov | Ah |
| 08:59.00 | Kaulov | What do you do online? |
| 08:59.18 | Daemaro | Neglect, and abuse. fun childhood. |
| 08:59.33 | Daemaro | I work at Diablofans.com for Curse.com |
| 08:59.38 | Kaulov | .. |
| 08:59.44 | Kaulov | You can actually get paid for that? |
| 09:00.01 | Daemaro | Mhmm, I volunteered for... 3 years before I got hired. |
| 09:00.14 | Daemaro | I didn't have any paper to show anyone, so I proved myself the hard way. |
| 09:00.46 | Kaulov | I'd get an online job, but it doesn't seem..trustworthy. |
| 09:01.14 | Daemaro | Hmm well a lot of them are sort of shady, just have to be careful what you're looking into. |
| 09:01.37 | naw | I want a job in the gaming industry.. or simply have streaming/weekly vids as a side income |
| 09:01.51 | Daemaro | I don't technically work FOR Curse, I work for myself. I'm self employed but contract myself to them. |
| 09:04.08 | Kaulov | Honestly, I wanna work for Games/Computers. I would like to start at Best Buy. I'm good with computers. Definitely better than most people my age, but I don't understand how they actually work. I can make a computer do something, or fix an issue by doing something weird, but I don't understand how it fixes it..I just know it does. >.> So..Best Buy probably wouldn't be a great first job. |
| 09:04.24 | Daemaro | It's weird. In the Us though if you're self employeed you have to pay like 15% of what you make in taxes. |
| 09:04.40 | Kaulov | Bleh |
| 09:05.02 | Daemaro | Get a job at Geeksquad at bestbuy, they don't know that sort of thing either. |
| 09:05.17 | Daemaro | I brought two graphics cards up to the counter and asked what was the difference |
| 09:05.29 | Daemaro | and he took them and looked at them and said... hmm let me check |
| 09:05.34 | Daemaro | turned around and opened google |
| 09:06.05 | Daemaro | So some of them must know since they do pc repairs and stuff also |
| 09:06.13 | Kaulov | . |
| 09:06.13 | Daemaro | but my bet is a good portion dont |
| 09:06.19 | Kaulov | I wanna work at your Best Buy then |
| 09:06.25 | Daemaro | lol |
| 09:06.26 | Kaulov | At mine, they don't do that |
| 09:06.35 | Kaulov | They only hire people who actually know things |
| 09:06.36 | Kaulov | ;-; |
| 09:06.41 | Daemaro | oh they want paper? |
| 09:06.42 | Daemaro | :P |
| 09:07.41 | Daemaro | If I owned a business I'd want to hire people who know what they're doing but above all else were smart enough to realize they just spent a ton of money learning things they could have learned on their own just to get a piece of paper. |
| 09:07.45 | naw | I don't want money handed to me, I want to earn it, I want to make ENOUGH money. Perhaps I should start my own business.. |
| 09:08.27 | Daemaro | Im happy with where I'm at, I don't make a ton by any means but I make enough to pay my bills and get 1-2 games a month or something. |
| 09:08.49 | naw | Daemaro: Even programmers need The Paper nowadays, it hasn't always been like that. |
| 09:08.54 | Kaulov | should just get a job as a male nurse, work ten years straight to save up every penny while living with relatives, then move out when he has $1 million. Boom. Never work again. |
| 09:09.06 | Daemaro | yeah programmers didnt even have books starting out |
| 09:09.11 | naw | You could hack your way into a toaster in Moscow and still not get a job at Blizzard, reason: lolol no degree |
| 09:09.12 | Kaulov | >_>; Technically speaking, could work. But waaaay too much trouble |
| 09:10.23 | naw | Kaulov: Work should be fun, if it's not, find a new job :D |
| 09:10.44 | Kaulov | Pfft. Here in the US finding a new job is hard as fuck |
| 09:10.48 | Kaulov | Even with a degree. |
| 09:11.20 | naw | I would still have a job, even with $1 MIL, because I want to make a difference |
| 09:11.44 | naw | I love games so I would love to design them but passion is not what they want. |
| 09:12.30 | Daemaro | College is a pretty big scam overall. |
| 09:12.38 | Daemaro | You need degrees to even be an artist nowadays |
| 09:13.00 | naw | Probably with DESIGN in general is that you're taught the same thing, your own creativity don't mean shit |
| 09:13.32 | Daemaro | You want to learn about college, watch this documentary. |
| 09:13.33 | Daemaro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww4m8GUK69E |
| 09:13.42 | Daemaro | its really good |
| 09:13.53 | naw | why don't they let robots design clothes and video games etc, they've all been taught the same things :P |
| 09:14.06 | naw | hair stylists too |
| 09:14.28 | Daemaro | There is a dentist in there that cant afford to pay back her loans |
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| 09:15.24 | Daemaro | You end up in debt from the moment you're born basically |
| 09:15.45 | naw | Daemaro: You watched Zeitgeist? |
| 09:15.49 | Daemaro | you buy a house, you need a bank loan, unless you have 50,000-200,000$ just lying around depending where you live in the US |
| 09:15.57 | Daemaro | so you dont even buy the house the bank still owns it |
| 09:15.59 | Daemaro | you buy the loan |
| 09:16.05 | Daemaro | and until thats paid off you don't own it. |
| 09:16.07 | naw | "Your" money is someone else's loal pretty much |
| 09:16.09 | Daemaro | Yeah I have. |
| 09:16.12 | naw | is what the movie tells you |
| 09:16.15 | naw | loan* |
| 09:16.18 | Daemaro | yup |
| 09:16.20 | Daemaro | its true |
| 09:16.29 | Daemaro | banks dont just keep your money safe |
| 09:16.33 | Daemaro | they loan your money out to others |
| 09:16.37 | naw | and money loses its value because the banks create money out of nothing |
| 09:16.38 | Daemaro | in order to make money off of them |
| 09:16.54 | Daemaro | Yeah the "Federal Reserve" |
| 09:17.02 | Daemaro | which isn't even a federal institution |
| 09:17.08 | naw | US banks owned by Jewish families :d |
| 09:17.10 | Daemaro | it is NOT ran by the government |
| 09:17.16 | Daemaro | its ran by banks |
| 09:18.15 | Daemaro | This dentist gets out of medical school, she owes 136,000$ still. |
| 09:18.32 | Daemaro | By the time she pays the 100,000$ they say she owes 300,000$ still |
| 09:19.10 | Kaulov | Thanks for the documentary |
| 09:19.20 | Kaulov | I have entertainment now that's actually interesting |
| 09:19.46 | naw | Hopefully, someone will make a difference and come up with something that will replace the current system |
| 09:19.57 | Daemaro | Its a good insight of how college and education has become less about learning and more about being a corporation |
| 09:20.14 | Daemaro | until people stop caring so much about degrees that won't happen. |
| 09:20.21 | naw | U.S. debts, is it gov debts or the whole country's debts? |
| 09:20.41 | Daemaro | what do you mean? |
| 09:20.53 | naw | sec I'll show you |
| 09:20.55 | Daemaro | we're all in debt, even the government. |
| 09:20.56 | Daemaro | :P |
| 09:21.12 | naw | oh yeah.. 1 sec |
| 09:21.14 | Daemaro | we keep taking these bailouts from the federal reserve and other banks |
| 09:22.07 | naw | https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2079rank.html?countryName=United%20States&countryCode=us®ionCode=noa&rank=2#us |
| 09:22.11 | naw | that's what I'm talking about |
| 09:22.32 | Daemaro | like whos responsible for paying that? |
| 09:22.34 | naw | I'm not sure if it's gov debts |
| 09:22.47 | Daemaro | well in the end the people are since the government will tax us to pay it off. |
| 09:23.34 | Daemaro | Somewhere along the line things have switched from we run the government, we hire them to work for and represent us as a country to they run us. |
| 09:23.36 | naw | I don't get it |
| 09:24.04 | Daemaro | That money thats owed on that list. In order to slowly pay it back it will come from taxes that we pay in. |
| 09:24.11 | naw | how can ALL countries have debts? I take it they all owe some bank, not each other, money |
| 09:24.22 | Daemaro | yup mostly banks |
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| 09:24.57 | Daemaro | 'So whos sitting behind these banks raking in cash? |
| 09:24.58 | Daemaro | :P |
| 09:25.28 | naw | banks shouldn't exist imo |
| 09:25.57 | Daemaro | they have just gone unchecked too long and the interest gets to the point where even countries cant pay it off |
| 09:26.19 | naw | out of all things, loans with big interests must be the most unethical thing ever |
| 09:26.36 | Daemaro | Yeah. |
| 09:26.37 | Nekora | Well that's because you're a dirty communist Swede. You and your free college education and good healthcare and high standard of living and all those other terrible tyrannical things. |
| 09:27.14 | naw | Daemaro: the thing is.. INTEREST is money that doesn't exist :p |
| 09:27.15 | Daemaro | Sweden only has those things because they take loans from banks to provide their people with that stuff |
| 09:27.19 | Daemaro | which is why theyre in debt too. |
| 09:27.20 | Daemaro | :P |
| 09:27.44 | naw | Nekora: Don't ever call me a Swede, I don't consider myself one and should therefore not be called a Swede |
| 09:28.03 | Nekora | naw: I was ENTIRELY joking. |
| 09:28.11 | naw | Nekora: doesn't matter |
| 09:28.26 | Nekora | You just mentioned you were from a Scandinavian country so I joked about it. |
| 09:28.38 | naw | Daemaro: If I were to loan ALL MONEY IN EXISTENCE then I'd have to repay the bank with money that doesn't exist :) |
| 09:28.52 | naw | that's what interest is.. so fucked up |
| 09:29.11 | naw | Nekora: It wasn't funny :p |
| 09:29.33 | Daemaro | graduating college people start out on average with 24,000 worth of loans |
| 09:29.47 | Daemaro | So thats already years and years of debt you need to pay off with a basic college education |
| 09:31.12 | Nekora | *shrugs* If you say so. I'm fine with you telling me not to joke about it, but you shouldn't get bent out of shape over something that I had no way of knowing would offend you. Sorry for offending you, but I'm not sorry for joking. ;p |
| 09:32.49 | naw | Daemaro: The gov. makes money on you graduating (paperboys gets all the jobs) so why the hell should they charge you with graduating yourself when they'll make money off of you later on |
| 09:32.52 | naw | SO RETARDED -_- |
| 09:33.22 | Daemaro | Well because they also have loans they need to repay to banks |
| 09:33.23 | Daemaro | lol |
| 09:33.37 | Daemaro | the government is loaning us loaned money basically |
| 09:33.50 | naw | Nobody can work efficiently when they know there's a $100K loan that needs to be repaid. |
| 09:34.08 | naw | ppl get super depressed and then they gov loses their income |
| 09:34.46 | Daemaro | Yup. |
| 09:34.51 | naw | Daemaro: Yeah, but it didn't have to get to this point LOL |
| 09:35.15 | Daemaro | Im not sure how it even did to be honest. What sort of madman thought of this system |
| 09:35.47 | Nekora | That's commie talk. Colleges are businesses and they have to make their money, don'cha know. |
| 09:36.03 | Daemaro | And thats the problem |
| 09:36.14 | Daemaro | colleges are more businesses than education centers |
| 09:36.46 | naw | we need a global currency, no banks and a better edu system |
| 09:37.04 | naw | I know the source of the problem |
| 09:37.38 | naw | Countries got into war and some stupid guy lent his money/weapons/army whatever to one country and that's how it all started |
| 09:37.39 | Daemaro | Well thats a very scary thing though, if the world can be all in debt by this sort of trouble then imagine how easy things go down the shitter when its all one currency and the same handful of people controls it all |
| 09:39.38 | Daemaro | As much as I'd like to have an ideal world where we're all one society and people, its too easy to corrupt. |
| 09:40.02 | Nekora | See, there you are with all this socialist stuff again. Government collectively running a system in order to benefit people? Don't you know that the free market solves all problems ideally, and that the government should never try to help anyone in need? That's redistribution of wealth, and handouts. You'll make people dependent and lazy. |
| 09:40.03 | Nekora | (I know it isn't clear on the internet, but imagine my voice dripping with sarcasm right about now) |
| 09:40.03 | naw | Daemaro: Nobody should control it |
| 09:40.23 | naw | taxes are pointless. most of the money goes to people who don't deserve money |
| 09:40.59 | Daemaro | i dont agree with federal taxes but im okay with state tax |
| 09:41.09 | Daemaro | state tax goes to upkeep roads and things like that, we all use those |
| 09:41.49 | naw | people distibuting tax money are paid, when taxes are meant to negate bad consequences of the poor-rich gap |
| 09:42.20 | naw | if we had no taxes rich ppl would be healthy and the poor would ill bla bla bla.. while that is true, the current system is worse |
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| 09:43.03 | Daemaro | federal tax funds wars and pays the people who keep causing these problems, who most of them are wealthy anyways and dont need our money, and the others are taking a large cut thats not really necessary |
| 09:44.22 | naw | Greed is what it all comes down to at the end of the day, that we can't do anything about :D |
| 09:44.32 | Daemaro | yup |
| 09:47.38 | naw | u have socialist politicians in Sweden who want higher taxes but still believe ppl will have more money, which is also one of their goals .. I think.. |
| 09:50.17 | naw | they increase the taxes in order to CREATE JOB OPPORTUNITIES which doesn't make much sense to me. Companies won't hire people if they know it won't make them more money in the long run.. and governments are companies with too much power |
| 09:50.57 | Daemaro | mhmm |
| 09:51.14 | naw | u don't ever see politicians talk about cuts to their own salaries :d |
| 09:51.24 | Daemaro | We could become politicians and fight to change these things... but you need a lot of college for it. :D |
| 09:52.02 | naw | yeah |
| 09:52.17 | naw | NOW I KNOW THE TRUTH |
| 09:52.26 | naw | I just realized something |
| 09:53.11 | naw | They want the paper boys to get all the jobs because the paper boys have big big loans and if they don't get the jobs they'll get suicidal because of all the loans and the loaned money are loans taken by the government |
| 09:54.17 | naw | they need em to repay their loans |
| 09:54.35 | Daemaro | mhmm |
| 09:56.23 | naw | I just realized something else. A lot of foreigners comes to Sweden, both students and orphans of war and whatnot.. Sweden lets all these people come here because they know they are poor and will take loans |
| 09:56.23 | naw | :) |
| 09:56.32 | naw | I think I got the world figured out alr |
| 09:56.48 | Daemaro | you're in debt as soon as you're born. :P |
| 09:57.13 | naw | I'll avoid loans as much as possible |
| 09:57.40 | naw | but the sad truth is, even if you don't take loans, u still pay off loans |
| 09:58.03 | naw | u work for some guy and u get paid far less than what you give to the company |
| 09:58.10 | Daemaro | you have to take a loan unless you want to live in a apartment the rest of your life basically. |
| 09:59.40 | naw | WOW |
| 09:59.43 | naw | this is shocking |
| 10:00.00 | naw | https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html?countryName=United%20States&countryCode=us®ionCode=noa&rank=198#us |
| 10:00.55 | Daemaro | yeah see all the people at the top, all evil commies |
| 10:00.56 | Daemaro | :P |
| 10:01.03 | naw | about 7.5 times as bad as Italy at the #197 |
| 10:01.15 | naw | I'm glad to see Singapore @ #11 |
| 10:01.23 | Daemaro | yeah we're sunk |
| 10:02.02 | naw | funny how British colonies are all at the bottom |
| 10:02.06 | naw | except Singapore |
| 10:06.26 | Daemaro | :P |
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| 10:14.34 | naw | Sixen: give me the key to heaven |
| 10:14.43 | naw | and I'll take the door to sanctuary |
| 10:14.47 | naw | but no |
| 10:14.48 | naw | it's DOWN |
| 10:14.50 | naw | .. |
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| 10:26.28 | mooomin | hello |
| 10:26.54 | Kaulov | Well |
| 10:26.57 | Kaulov | It's official. |
| 10:27.01 | Kaulov | D3 beta is dead. |
| 10:27.13 | Kaulov | I wanna uninstall it, but I don't think I'm ready yet |
| 10:27.17 | Kaulov | I don't have the heart.. |
| 10:30.02 | mooomin | well I haven't even played D1,D2 nor the beta |
| 10:30.04 | mooomin | \o/ |
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| 11:41.03 | naw | Daemaro: Documentary is great, only watched 1min 34 sec and I can tell it's awesome :D |
| 11:44.46 | Kaulov | I've been trying to finish it. Internet sucks so it keeps stopping |
| 11:44.48 | Kaulov | But yes. It very good. |
| 11:44.56 | Kaulov | I'm gonna have my mom watch it on Thursday when she has time. |
| 11:44.57 | Kaulov | >_>; |
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| 12:41.58 | naw | Daemaro: How come only 20K people watched this on YT? |
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| 13:01.10 | mooomin | what video? |
| 13:50.27 | naw | mooomin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww4m8GUK69E |
| 14:00.27 | mooomin | thanks |
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| 16:35.37 | dadish | Sixen you just called me sadistic.. |
| 16:36.29 | dadish | brb |
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| 16:46.15 | dadish | man Sixen episode 6 was not your episode :D |
| 16:46.22 | dadish | not much that worked :D |
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