| 00:00.56 | golinux | fling: Maybe this? https://git.devuan.org/TanyaEleventhGoddess/lxc_configure |
| 00:02.06 | golinux | It was just updated a few hours ago |
| 00:02.52 | golinux | And yes, the channels have been really quiet. |
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| 05:31.10 | unixbsd | hello |
| 05:31.19 | unixbsd | how do you mount the live file : initrd.img ? |
| 05:32.02 | unixbsd | it gives errors: K~?\???'w?:k??[????l*?b??Ð??&?!$ with cpio -id < initrd.img |
| 05:33.12 | unixbsd | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomizeLiveInitrd |
| 05:36.47 | tuxd3v | unixbsd, you didn't specify the output directory |
| 05:37.05 | unixbsd | this one : cpio -id < initrd.img ?? |
| 05:37.29 | rrq | isn't it gzipped? |
| 05:37.43 | unixbsd | nope |
| 05:38.31 | rrq | or, the page uggest lz-ipped |
| 05:38.33 | rrq | s |
| 05:40.39 | unixbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.28 | unixbsd | I need to add ufs2 into the modules for mounting with ufs2 modules: I need to mount ufs2 to read filesystem.squashfs out of ufs2. |
| 05:41.40 | unixbsd | (live-boot) |
| 05:42.23 | rrq | that one is xz compressed |
| 05:42.57 | rrq | unxz < initrd.img| cpio -i |
| 05:43.11 | unixbsd | thank you lord master! very happy to read your help! |
| 05:43.42 | unixbsd | I would desire to boot devuan out of my netbsd partition (ffsv2)â. |
| 05:44.58 | unixbsd | live boot does not find the file on the ffvs2, although it can mount well. |
| 05:45.56 | unixbsd | very good, unxz < initrd.img| cpio -i works very well. |
| 05:47.29 | unixbsd | I am checkking where is the ufs2 toram modules mssiing into your initrd.img (lÃive). |
| 05:47.34 | unixbsd | any ideas maybe? |
| 05:48.15 | unixbsd | ah !! |
| 05:48.23 | unixbsd | maybe ufs2.ko is missing ! |
| 05:50.48 | unixbsd | yeapi, at least kernel/fs/ufs/ufs.ko is not there |
| 05:50.53 | unixbsd | please add it next time !! |
| 05:51.14 | unixbsd | think about me, I use netbsd to boot my systems and netbsd as main os (due to systemd). |
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| 05:55.30 | rrq | not sure where it got that kernel version |
| 05:55.46 | rrq | 4.9.0-11-amd64 |
| 05:56.06 | unixbsd | from the devuan live ascii |
| 05:56.50 | rrq | mmm that kernel version doesn't include ufs.ko apparently |
| 05:57.19 | unixbsd | I need to add it to see |
| 05:57.49 | rrq | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=file&q=ufs%2Fufs.ko |
| 05:57.55 | unixbsd | I am making a live with ms team, I prefer to have it in live, to avoid spoiling my system with MS |
| 05:58.39 | unixbsd | fine reason ;) |
| 05:58.48 | rrq | linux-image-4.9.0-13-amd64 includes ufs.ko |
| 05:58.59 | unixbsd | oh cool |
| 05:59.16 | unixbsd | you have the modules and vmlinuz and initrd (with live-boot) somewhere? |
| 06:00.55 | rrq | not as such.. maybe fsmithred would have, though the ascii live cd was a while ago |
| 06:02.32 | rrq | http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/l/linux/linux-image-4.9.0-13-amd64_4.9.228-1_amd64.deb is the kernel deb |
| 06:02.46 | unixbsd | ok, i uploaded on github the improved initrd. |
| 06:03.55 | unixbsd | new one: https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/devuan-live/-/tree/master/v3 |
| 06:04.18 | unixbsd | I hope that now, it will boot from ffvs2 ... let's test it. |
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| 06:04.26 | crashoverride | unixbsd: are you attempting like yoda to sound? |
| 06:04.38 | unixbsd | my EN is crappy |
| 06:05.11 | crashoverride | deine muttersprache ist Deutsch, korreckt? |
| 06:05.17 | unixbsd | yeap |
| 06:05.19 | crashoverride | s/ck/k/ |
| 06:05.52 | crashoverride | that was obvious :P |
| 06:06.03 | unixbsd | and you? nice to meet you. |
| 06:06.11 | crashoverride | your english sentences read perfectly in German :P |
| 06:06.16 | crashoverride | s/eng/Eng/ |
| 06:06.52 | crashoverride | ich bin von Frankreich, aber ich habe fuer fast zen jahren in Deutschland gewohnt |
| 06:07.17 | crashoverride | aber mein Deutsch ist nicht wirklich gut. |
| 06:07.30 | crashoverride | Learning German in Berlin is challenging, to say the least. |
| 06:07.43 | unixbsd | Super |
| 06:07.50 | unixbsd | Tu es de quelle region de france_ |
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| 06:09.00 | crashoverride | ein moment |
| 06:09.07 | crashoverride | I have to configure my compose key :P |
| 06:09.32 | golinux | And then please take this chatter to #devuan-offtopic . . . |
| 06:09.40 | adhoc | heh |
| 06:10.03 | crashoverride | golinux: I checked already, unixbsd isn't there. |
| 06:10.11 | golinux | This is a support channel. |
| 06:10.28 | crashoverride | I'm aware, but it's not like we're preventing people from getting support, is it? |
| 06:10.38 | golinux | crashoverride: He can get there in 5 seconds |
| 06:11.10 | golinux | Devs who read the logs get really annoyed at having to slog thought OT. |
| 06:11.21 | crashoverride | fine. |
| 06:11.34 | unixbsd | there where_ |
| 06:11.37 | unixbsd | ? |
| 06:11.43 | crashoverride | unixbsd: #devuan-offtopic |
| 06:11.44 | golinux | #devuan-offtopic |
| 06:12.05 | unixbsd | ah... I see. live-boot is offtopic, right? |
| 06:12.11 | crashoverride | it might be worth it to let non-ops invite people on #devuan-offtopic btw |
| 06:12.23 | crashoverride | unixbsd: no, our chatter about where we come from, is. |
| 06:12.49 | golinux | They do frequently. |
| 06:12.58 | crashoverride | golinux: ?! |
| 06:13.10 | golinux | <crashoverride> it might be worth it to let non-ops invite people on #devuan-offtopic btw |
| 06:13.18 | crashoverride | no. |
| 06:13.28 | crashoverride | I never saw a mode change regarding this. |
| 06:13.30 | golinux | Maybe I misunderstood |
| 06:13.32 | unixbsd | ok, keep on topic ! |
| 06:13.40 | onefang | Yep, I'm getting really annoyed at off topic chatter right now. lol |
| 06:14.11 | crashoverride | onefang: sure, but I can't really talk on #devuan-offtopic to someone who's not there... (like you, too, I tried writing that there for you, but...) |
| 06:14.14 | golinux | onefang; Stubborn buch these too. LOL! |
| 06:14.28 | golinux | bunch |
| 06:14.29 | unixbsd | we keep on topic. I am testing the new initrd with ufs.ko and we will see if it is a live-boot bug or it just works. |
| 06:14.51 | golinux | unixbsd: Thank you! |
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| 07:26.05 | unixbsd | ok, guys, it is a bug |
| 07:26.35 | unixbsd | I have tested live-boot. ufs.ko does not help. it comes from live-boot. please a fix ;) |
| 07:26.44 | unixbsd | a fix would be nice from debian |
| 07:27.02 | unixbsd | but surely, they wont care to fix any bug about live-boot. they care only about ext. |
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| 07:28.06 | unixbsd | the fix is for /scripts/init-premount <--- needed |
| 07:33.45 | adhoc | using ufs as a boot volume is pretty unusual though |
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| 09:02.24 | Franz | Hi there, sorry for incompetence, this is first time in irc |
| 09:04.07 | gnarface | just ask your questions and wait patiently for a response. you don't need permission to ask questions |
| 09:04.11 | Franz | I just installed devuan (DVD), but the chosen windowmanager (KDE) wasn't installed, it's XFCE. Can I change the windowsmanager after installation? |
| 09:04.24 | gnarface | yes |
| 09:04.46 | Franz | thx 4 answer, how? ;) |
| 09:04.57 | gnarface | just install the other one |
| 09:05.23 | gnarface | you can have multiple window managers installed concurrently |
| 09:05.35 | Franz | reinstall whole OS? Or via packetmanager? |
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| 09:26.30 | unixbsd | I need a real pro |
| 09:27.03 | unixbsd | I have modified initrd and now ufs is there and fine, but still. |
| 09:27.24 | unixbsd | how to mount to / root the filesysem /mnt ??? into the (initramfs) ??? |
| 09:27.50 | unixbsd | I am in (initramfs) and I mounted my squasfs onto /mnt |
| 09:28.22 | unixbsd | how to tell the kernel that the /mnt will be rootfs (/) passed by (initramfs) command line?= |
| 09:30.12 | unixbsd | (currently my initrd8 is there; https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/devuan-live/-/blob/master/v3/initrd8.img.gz ) |
| 10:02.32 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 10:02.44 | gnarface | hopefully Franz realized i meant through the package manager |
| 10:03.15 | gnarface | unixbsd: not sure i understand your question... maybe you're looking for pivot_root? |
| 10:03.54 | gnarface | i'm not sure if there's a way to do it by kernel command-line |
| 10:04.06 | gnarface | i thought that was only to pick partitions, not subdirectories |
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| 10:08.46 | unixbsd | overlay or something |
| 10:09.08 | unixbsd | I am at initramfs, filesystem.squashfs is mounted on /mnt, and I need to pass command that /mnt will be the rootfs ("/") how to do that? (my initrd: https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/devuan-live/-/blob/master/v3/initrd8.img.gz for info). |
| 10:09.22 | onefang | chroot |
| 10:09.46 | gnarface | sounds like pivot_root or chroot to me, but there is something called a overlay filesystem... is it overlayfs? live images use it... |
| 10:09.47 | unixbsd | no chroot, I need to real mount it and then, exit, to get full os |
| 10:10.07 | unixbsd | yeah i need to tell what is the overlay |
| 10:10.24 | gnarface | i think it works as a filesystem driver |
| 10:10.49 | gnarface | like you have to load the module then use that name as the mount type |
| 10:10.56 | unixbsd | what is the command for overlay mount to the root? |
| 10:11.13 | gnarface | that i don't know, i just know the concept, and that live images use it so you can install packages to ram |
| 10:11.39 | gnarface | that's how you can have a read-only cdrom live image boot to an OS that you can still alter after boot |
| 10:11.53 | unixbsd | or basically, initramfs can tell thee kernel to use /mnt as / (root). this can be done, but how? |
| 10:12.14 | gnarface | maybe through grub commands |
| 10:12.21 | gnarface | something outside of the kernel command-line |
| 10:12.42 | unixbsd | no, no, it should be really done by initramfs |
| 10:13.01 | unixbsd | I have read the scripts/ live/boott. this is done by initramfs scripts |
| 10:13.05 | gnarface | only other thing i could think of is check the docs and see if the kernel command-line option for root can take parameters that include actual directory paths not just device references |
| 10:13.18 | gnarface | but if it can that's news to me |
| 10:13.26 | gnarface | though it would simplify this matter a lot |
| 10:13.42 | unixbsd | the docs have nothing about that... really, I have this since weeks. maybe ##linux? |
| 10:14.04 | gnarface | the only thing that should be controlling your mounts afaik was the /etc/fstab file |
| 10:14.30 | unixbsd | I tried: mount /mnt / ; exit , ... but then kernel panic |
| 10:14.38 | gnarface | heh |
| 10:15.08 | onefang | Bind mount maybe? |
| 10:15.57 | gnarface | oh, maybe |
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| 10:16.54 | onefang | pivot_root is what initramfs usually does. NO idea off the top of my head if you can point it to a directory instead of a device. |
| 10:17.32 | unixbsd | mkaymaybe he bind indeed |
| 10:17.48 | miskatonic | is itpossible to avoid initram altogether? |
| 10:17.57 | unixbsd | in normal boot, which script after /sbin/init does take care mount /dev and bind? |
| 10:18.11 | onefang | You can just boot the kernel. |
| 10:18.13 | gnarface | yes, you don't need the initramfs as long as you statically compile in the modules you need to boot |
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| 10:18.24 | gnarface | (usually the filesystem driver) |
| 10:19.12 | gnarface | i'm not sure why /mnt is where the device is mounted now... can't you omit that step and just pivot_root to that device instead of mounting it at /mnt first? |
| 10:19.26 | unixbsd | you mean ext3.ko and so on. I maybe think that a sh script is before, located in /etc |
| 10:20.04 | gnarface | yes, ext3.ko and so on.... whichever filesystem you're actually using for /boot and / |
| 10:20.12 | gnarface | filesystem(s) |
| 10:20.38 | gnarface | if you're gonna omit the initramfs then it has to be able to read /boot and / without calling modprobe first |
| 10:20.56 | unixbsd | I need to look init.c of Linux. bsd I know that well, I modifieed often but linux no clue - never looked at that init.c |
| 10:21.37 | unixbsd | the modprobe is likely passed during initrd |
| 10:21.44 | gnarface | well for whatever it's worth, ext4 has reverse-compatibility support, so that's only one module |
| 10:21.55 | unixbsd | actually it is quite complex the linux booot |
| 10:21.56 | onefang | There's lots of documentation in the Linux source code. Reading some of that might be useful. |
| 10:22.22 | gnarface | the linux-doc package might have helpful stuff too, particularly about kernel command-line options and available modules |
| 10:22.28 | unixbsd | ok, I try to mount bind by hands first, /dev and so on. let's see. |
| 10:24.27 | unixbsd | here the plan to pass to initramfs, not of stuffs : https://termbin.com/nxxx4 |
| 10:24.44 | miskatonic | fsmithred achieved using openrc as pid1 smoothly, it uses concepts from BSD init |
| 10:25.31 | unixbsd | look my init.c they are beasts ... https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/custom-init but only for bsd. never looked at linux yet. |
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| 10:28.30 | unixbsd | I managed at least that ufs is seen by initramfs, but I didnt managed to live-boot from ufs the fs squasfs. likely I will modify the live/boot/ 0001-debug filee to mount it by hand at first. before live boot does anything |
| 10:31.32 | miskatonic | that is freebsd's initram, right? or did you mirauloucly achieve to boot devuan off u2fs? |
| 10:32.01 | unixbsd | miskatonic: I will make it ! |
| 10:32.10 | unixbsd | I will be the first in the world ;) raelly |
| 10:34.21 | unixbsd | ahhh it comes from overlay on / type overlay ... that all only. |
| 10:35.22 | unixbsd | overlay on / type overlay (rw,noatime,lowerdir=//filesystem.squashfs/,upperdir=/live/overlay//rw,workdir=/live/overlay//work) |
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| 10:46.14 | unixbsd | got it |
| 10:46.41 | gnarface | cool |
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| 10:59.48 | unixbsd | we can call it ufs-live-boot :) |
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| 12:32.11 | unixbsd | ok, now let's hack init.c |
| 12:33.37 | unixbsd | here my barebone init.c :... http://termbin.com/pd6m0 |
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| 15:46.06 | IanJ | Is anyone here using git-daemon-sysvinit? |
| 15:46.35 | IanJ | I've installed it but can't get the daemon to run, when I run it I get no output at all. |
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| 15:56.37 | IanJ | I'm still making changes to the code. |
| 15:56.46 | IanJ | oops, wrong channel :/ |
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| 16:41.27 | Walex2 | unixbsd: have you had a look at the 'init' from UNIX V7/Edition VII? :-) |
| 16:42.06 | Walex2 | unixbsd: also the coding style is not something I would completely agree with :-) |
| 16:42.48 | Walex2 | BTW 'screen' or 'tmux' make a pretty decent 'init'. |
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| 16:51.37 | jyri | I finally gave up screen and moved to tmux after 25 years of using it and now I wonder why I didn't change earlier :) |
| 16:52.12 | dstolfa_ | still uses screen |
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| 17:25.52 | unixbsd | Walex2: ahh |
| 17:26.00 | unixbsd | why not, intereting... |
| 17:26.41 | miskatonic | has unixbsd finally achieved booting devuan off u2fs? |
| 17:26.47 | unixbsd | currently the rocker barebone init.c looks like https://termbin.com/5p0a debian have not interests in mounting ufs |
| 17:27.08 | unixbsd | I am looking for a barebone init.c so that we have more freedom |
| 17:27.13 | unixbsd | freedom = devuan ;) |
| 17:28.20 | unixbsd | look at ugly number of libs of the modern init.c code,.. a smaller approach would be helpful to give more space for live boot and tweaking. |
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| 17:44.57 | rwp | IanJ, git-daemon does not normally produce any output. It does log to syslog by default though so look in /var/log/syslog for git-daemon entries. |
| 17:46.10 | rwp | IanJ, I think that a typical install will need to modify something like: GIT_DAEMON_OPTIONS="--export-all --init-timeout=10 --timeout=28800 --max-connections=15" |
| 17:46.48 | rwp | IanJ, Along with GIT_DAEMON_BASE_PATH="/srv/git" and GIT_DAEMON_DIRECTORY="/srv/git" or similar depending upon your taste. |
| 17:48.11 | rwp | IanJ, Also remember that any firewall will need to have port 9418 opened to allow git:// access. |
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| 17:51.39 | rwp | unixbsd, I assume you are aware of this: https://git.suckless.org/sinit/file/sinit.c.html |
| 17:52.48 | rwp | unixbsd, Which was based upon Rich Felker's init: https://gist.github.com/rofl0r/6168719 |
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| 18:16.21 | unixbsd | rwp: never heard, ok, let s try |
| 18:17.09 | unixbsd | it wont work, they have not opened the /dev/tty1 ! |
| 18:23.54 | iv4nshm4k0v | FWIW, I use Busybox init (as in: # ln -s -- ../bin/busybox /sbin/init) for my LXC containers. I'd think (though I haven't tried; like my runlevels as they are) it would work for the "base" system just as well, and Live too. I think it is (or was?) used for D-I? |
| 18:25.01 | unixbsd | this is an interesting one with signals, I would stay in init a bit but well, it is wiser to go to CHILDREN to save resource |
| 18:25.50 | unixbsd | /bin/sh is capable to do the /etc/rc bin/sh handles the termios |
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| 18:45.29 | unixbsd | init.c with the /dev/tty1 opened. https://termbin.com/vvca |
| 19:02.40 | IanJ | rwp: I have no /var/run/git-daemon.pid and nothing listening on that port according to netstat after running /etc/init.d/git-daemon start (no output I would expect something to say the service started) |
| 19:03.33 | IanJ | nothing in /var/log/syslog either :/ |
| 19:07.46 | IanJ | ah, ok |
| 19:08.14 | IanJ | now I feel a bit dumb, /etc/default/git-daemon (GIT_DAEMON_ENABLE=false) |
| 19:08.25 | IanJ | *facepalm* |
| 19:17.11 | unixbsd | my barebone init.c works fine !!! |
| 19:20.30 | unixbsd | please find the init.c for devuan, that replaces initramfs for mounting... and debugging. https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/custom-init/-/blob/master/devuan/init.c |
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| 19:57.58 | rwp | IanJ, Frankly it always annoys me when maintainers force enabling of a daemon. I mean, I installed that daemon because I want it running! If I did not then I would not have installed it! |
| 19:59.05 | rwp | It's only for potentially breaking things like firewalls that I think explicit enabling is the correct thing to do. |
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| 19:59.17 | IanJ | I agree :) |
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| 20:00.11 | mason | There's the notion of needing to configure services before making them public/available that pushes folks towards requiring an explicit enable. |
| 20:01.56 | rwp | has detected movement of the mouse, click OK to accept this |
| 20:04.09 | rwp | The defaults for git-daemon-sysvinit create /var/lib/git as an empty directory owned by root and configure for it. That's a good safe default for installation. Nothing scary at all. |
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| 20:07.13 | rwp | I disagree with the /usr/share/doc/git-daemon-sysvinit/README.Debian suggesting to symlink .git directories there however. It does work. But I think it is better to git init --bare --shared foo.git there and treat it as a first class upstream instead. |
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| 20:13.29 | dstolfa_ | does devuan support file systems other than ext4 in the installer? i can't really find a way to do it |
| 20:14.31 | fsmithred | dstolfa_, yes. Select manual partitioning, when you create a new partition, fs types are in 'Use as' |
| 20:15.11 | dstolfa_ | fsmithred: ah, right. thanks |
| 20:15.43 | fsmithred | if you aren't familiar with the debian installer, you might go through the partitioning a few times until you get it right. |
| 20:15.52 | fsmithred | Especially if you try to do anything fancy. |
| 20:16.33 | dstolfa_ | fsmithred: i assume it's not too different to manual partitioning of anything else with cfdisk, i just have to make sure that it doesn't overwrite anything? |
| 20:19.38 | rrq | rwp: what's git-daemon-sysvinit and why would I want it? |
| 20:30.47 | dstolfa_ | fsmithred: worked like a charm, thanks again |
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| 20:51.45 | pablocastellanos | Hi, we're trying to install devuan on vmware esxi (i'm only assisting as i'm not a vmware user), but the installer doesn't detect any disc. This is the controller shown with lspci 03:00.0 Serial Attached SCSI controller: VMware PVSCSI SCSI Controller (rev 02) |
| 20:52.06 | pablocastellanos | Something is needed to detect the hard disks? |
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| 21:07.15 | john29 | hello Devuan. I'm having an issue with a freshly installed OS. I'm getting Beowulf Release no longer has a release file. any help would be greatful |
| 21:30.32 | golinux | john29: Is this what you're looking for? http://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt |
| 21:33.01 | john29 | thanks, but no. I'm actually getting blocked by something. a weird page saying "this device is paused" |
| 21:33.07 | john29 | no idea why |
| 21:35.58 | golinux | url, please |
| 21:36.08 | fsmithred | john29, try 'apt update' |
| 21:36.23 | fsmithred | and it should ask you to verify something. Say yes. |
| 21:36.30 | golinux | That bug is mentioned in the release notes right? |
| 21:36.37 | fsmithred | I don't konw |
| 21:36.52 | john29 | http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ |
| 21:36.58 | golinux | It should be. It was for 3.0.0 |
| 21:36.58 | john29 | yeah apt update isn't working |
| 21:37.08 | john29 | wget isn't working either |
| 21:37.22 | john29 | I think my router is doing something weird |
| 21:37.54 | fsmithred | ping router address, google.com, 8.8.8.8 |
| 21:37.59 | fsmithred | see if any work |
| 21:38.02 | john29 | yeah that all workds |
| 21:39.44 | fsmithred | that is a weird message. |
| 21:39.48 | john29 | if I wget http://deb.devuan.org it works but the page say "This device is paused." "To resume access to the Internet on your home network, open the ' ' app or visit '' using a different connection or device." |
| 21:40.01 | john29 | weirdest thing I've ever seen |
| 21:40.02 | fsmithred | app? |
| 21:40.12 | john29 | app?? |
| 21:40.24 | fsmithred | open what app? |
| 21:40.45 | john29 | oh lol. it doesn't even say |
| 21:40.50 | john29 | it's blank |
| 21:40.50 | MinceR | sounds like it might have something to do with your router or ISP |
| 21:40.54 | MinceR | or not |
| 21:40.58 | fsmithred | yeah, it sorta does. One blank space is the name |
| 21:41.03 | john29 | yeah I think so too Mince |
| 21:41.07 | john29 | never seen this before |
| 21:41.13 | MinceR | ' ', my favorite name for an "app" |
| 21:41.19 | john29 | haha |
| 21:41.26 | fsmithred | I would try rebooting the modem |
| 21:41.28 | fsmithred | no |
| 21:41.31 | fsmithred | the router |
| 21:41.33 | john29 | going to |
| 21:41.47 | john29 | kinda creeped out by it |
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| 22:00.23 | john29 | router had Parental Control set to block it for some reason |
| 22:01.11 | MinceR | fun |
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