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| 06:49.09 | fling | Should I downgrade from chimaera if I want to use more up-to-date software? |
| 06:50.02 | adhoc | fling: is what you are looking for in back ports ? |
| 06:50.33 | tuxd3v | to get more updated you need to go to ceres |
| 06:51.01 | fling | adhoc: jami |
| 06:51.36 | xinomilo | chimaera has the same version as ceres |
| 06:51.54 | fling | but bewulf has newer version |
| 06:52.31 | xinomilo | ?! |
| 06:52.43 | tuxd3v | how can that be? |
| 06:52.50 | xinomilo | nope |
| 06:52.56 | tuxd3v | ceres is the most up to date |
| 06:52.59 | xinomilo | beowulf has an older version |
| 06:53.10 | xinomilo | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=jami |
| 06:53.39 | fling | oh now I see, thanks. |
| 06:54.27 | adhoc | debian buster has; 20190215.1.f152c98~ds1-1, beowulf has 20190215.1.f152c98~ds1-1 |
| 06:55.09 | fling | what is .1.f152c98~ds1-1 about? |
| 06:55.28 | xinomilo | could be git commit reference |
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| 10:27.48 | fullofquestions | after a display bug + fixing it with restart, my middle mouse button has a weird function on rolling |
| 10:28.15 | fullofquestions | it hides and unhiddes programs in the taskbar |
| 10:33.46 | gnarface | that's probably expected behavior actually |
| 10:34.16 | fullofquestions | ok, maybe it is and i didn't notice it before |
| 10:34.22 | gnarface | or maybe your alt key is stuck down |
| 10:34.25 | gnarface | or something like that |
| 10:34.51 | gnarface | but it seems normal based on my experience with older window managers; it still counts as a mouse button |
| 10:35.33 | gnarface | there's probably a way to bind it to something else |
| 10:35.54 | onefang | Scrolling mouse wheel on my panel switches between the virtual desktops, so would only show those programs shown in the currently shown virtual desktop. YMMV |
| 10:39.50 | rrq | on xfce4 you'll find a tick box on the accessibility tab of the "Window Manager Tweaks" setting dialogue, to untick. |
| 10:40.54 | fullofquestions | alt seems fine, f1 and f4 were a little stuck by fine now. I don't mind it actually, was just wondering if it was something persisting from the display bug since during that it was the first time i noticed it |
| 10:41.31 | gnarface | nah, if i mousewheel with the cursor over a window titlebar in enlightenment, it shades & unshades the window |
| 10:41.50 | gnarface | it's very common for these to be bound to stuff they wouldn't be in windows |
| 10:42.15 | fullofquestions | yeah it also works that way |
| 10:42.16 | gnarface | "esoteric mouse button usage" is a very common sticking point for users making the transition |
| 10:43.09 | fullofquestions | plus when windows are minimized, it has the function I first described |
| 10:43.41 | gnarface | it won't necessarily do the same thing if you change to a different window manager |
| 10:44.02 | fullofquestions | makes sense |
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| 11:04.28 | fullofquestions | How well would a virtual machine like qemu (or whatever other, preferable option) would handle old-ish (5-20 years old mostly) windows programs? Would I also need windows drivers for it to work? |
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| 11:37.17 | adhoc | fullofquestions: we used to use bochs for that sort of thing |
| 11:39.05 | adhoc | fullofquestions: hardware support is the real questions, what hardware do you want to emulate/simulate ? |
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| 11:40.01 | fullofquestions | probably win7 64bit |
| 11:40.19 | fullofquestions | i had that and it run all those programs fine |
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| 14:10.11 | fling | >> NOTE: The next release will be the 28th May. NOTE2: client-gnome is now deprecated and jami-qt should be used |
| 14:10.14 | fling | https://git.jami.net/savoirfairelinux/ring-client-gnome/-/wikis/Changelog |
| 14:10.27 | fling | Will qt client get packaged instead? |
| 14:10.29 | fling | https://git.jami.net/savoirfairelinux/jami-client-qt |
| 14:12.37 | fling | Is it a bad idea to add this to sources.list? -> https://dl.jami.net/nightly/debian_10/ jami main |
| 14:13.10 | fullofquestions | can i somehow csee a log of this chat? |
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| 14:13.18 | fullofquestions | see* |
| 14:13.43 | gnarface | the link is in the channel topic |
| 14:14.34 | fullofquestions | ty |
| 14:21.18 | fling | jami : Depends: libappindicator3-1 (>= 0.4.90) but it is not installable |
| 14:21.27 | fling | Depends: jami-daemon (= 20210503.1.f692e28~dfsg1-1) but 20210112.2.b757bac~ds1-1 is to be installed |
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| 14:26.34 | DPA | /lib/init/init-d-script is pretty neat for writing very short / simple init scripts, but I've run into a few bugs with it: |
| 14:26.35 | DPA | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.35 | DPA | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.35 | DPA | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.35 | DPA | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:36.34 | fullofquestions | I created a forum thread for my questions to avoid spamming here https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4327 |
| 14:40.10 | fling | I installed libjsoncpp1 from ubuntu 20.04 |
| 14:40.13 | fling | feels dirty |
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| 14:57.56 | fullofquestions | Is it a known bug or something on my end that changing some clock properties hides it and you have to add a new one to the panel? |
| 14:59.37 | luser978 | xfce4? |
| 15:00.10 | fullofquestions | I think so, the default |
| 15:01.09 | fullofquestions | I've changed a couple minor things (like color) but I think the same happens with every combo I've tried it on |
| 15:01.27 | fullofquestions | And when the installation was completely fresh as well |
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| 17:14.59 | luser978 | fullofquestions: I have not met your problem. |
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| 17:25.29 | fullofquestions | try changing the default Clock Options - Format to something else. This is one of the things that hiddes the clock for me (only a tiny bar remains) and empties all it's settings. Only fix is re-adding the clock. |
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| 21:35.29 | rwp | DPA, The init-d-script is useful for most compiled daemons but isn't perfect for edge cases. It was an attempt to make it easier (declarative) for the 99.44% case that people were complaining about. |
| 21:36.27 | rwp | In those other cases such as interpreted programs where the names don't match it is good just to write a standard init script and do the right thing there. |
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| 22:30.51 | fling | where did libjpeg-turbo8 go? https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=libjpeg-turbo8 |
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| 22:53.00 | fling | when will libqt-jami get packaged? |
| 22:53.15 | fling | I'm able to install it on deuan using ubuntu repos |
| 23:18.10 | Xenguy | Mixing repos is like the highway to hell |
| 23:18.16 | Xenguy | AFAIK |
| 23:19.09 | Xenguy | But if it works, well, you take your chances, that's all |
| 23:19.38 | fling | Xenguy: it always works |
| 23:20.01 | Xenguy | You're a lucky man, maybe you know what you're doing : -) |
| 23:20.18 | fling | remove foreign repos, dist-upgrade again and pretend nothing happened |
| 23:20.23 | fling | then you almost not feeling dirty |
| 23:21.15 | fling | Xenguy: had to remove linphone though because of this libjpeg not allowing it to live together with qt jami client |
| 23:21.38 | fling | The following packages will be REMOVED: jami jami-libclient libjpeg-turbo8 libjpeg8 libqt-jami |
| 23:21.49 | fling | getting this when trying to install linphone ^ |
| 23:22.08 | fling | but jami can use sip accounts so I don't really need linphone anymore! what a coincidence |
| 23:22.36 | Xenguy | fling, Have you used jami before this time? |
| 23:22.52 | fling | yes |
| 23:23.06 | Xenguy | How do you find it, do you like it? |
| 23:23.18 | fling | I updated jami gnome client few hours ago before the qt one appeared in the repo, both worked just fine |
| 23:23.41 | fling | I used jami-gnome from devuan repo until yesterday and it was just fine too |
| 23:24.14 | fling | Xenguy: I like both jami-gnome and jami-qt from jami repos because of swarm https://jami.net/swarm-introducing-a-new-generation-of-group-conversations/ |
| 23:24.22 | Xenguy | Sounds like the kind of video/audio conferencing software that I might try |
| 23:24.38 | Xenguy | Huh, interesting |
| 23:24.49 | fling | Xenguy: otoh I only started using jami because itunes deleted tox client from iphones and android tox client started draining too much battery |
| 23:25.12 | Xenguy | Uh boy |
| 23:25.20 | fling | so jami is the only way I was able to call iphones from an android-like device :D |
| 23:25.32 | Xenguy | Nice |
| 23:25.48 | fling | tox is very sturdy and has like 30 different clients for all the platforms |
| 23:25.58 | Xenguy | Convincing friends to install seems like the bottleneck of the plan |
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| 23:26.14 | fling | jami is not mature yet but I like the features, for example you can add all your devices to the same account and use multiple accounts on the same device simultaneously from the single client |
| 23:26.29 | Xenguy | Is it mostly stable? |
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| 23:26.40 | fling | Xenguy: no, everyone jumped from tox to jami right away because what else would you do when itunes deletes your antidote? |
| 23:26.51 | fling | or is it called isotoxyn |
| 23:27.02 | fling | I forgot all these mac phone client names :D |
| 23:27.13 | Xenguy | I don't use itunes, so no chance that would happen |
| 23:27.41 | fling | I don't have itunes too but lots of people have it there |
| 23:27.45 | fling | and I have to call them somehow |
| 23:27.46 | Xenguy | phone |
| 23:27.53 | fling | phone what |
| 23:28.18 | fling | Xenguy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM |
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| 23:28.39 | fling | Xenguy: phone requires you to register a phone number |
| 23:29.14 | fling | Xenguy: your conversations then stored (also in speech to text) indefinitely in sorm or it's alternative for your territory |
| 23:29.52 | fling | in russia it can now be used by police without a warrant or anything, they could just grep your calls for interesting words :D |
| 23:30.35 | fling | Xenguy: but most importantly the calls of your contacts |
| 23:30.50 | fling | Xenguy: so using the phone is the worst because you leak the info about who your contacts are |
| 23:31.24 | fling | Xenguy: so even if you don't say anything about yourself over phone because you are concerned, your buddies will share everything about you over phone or other social media or whatever :> |
| 23:31.28 | fling | good luck |
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| 23:33.15 | golinux | fling: That rant is more suited for #devuan-offtopic |
| 23:33.26 | fling | golinux: sorry :> |
| 23:33.53 | fling | it was too quiet here! |
| 23:34.40 | fling | Who is responsible for devuan lxd images? |
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