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| 03:40.16 | onefang | For those hanging out for the Beowulf exim4 security upgrade, it has landed. |
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| 03:52.58 | gnarface | if that fullofquestions guy comes back someone tell him it's: "wine winecfg" "wine regedit" and "wine control" |
| 03:53.30 | gnarface | wine doesn't have a gui interface of its own but it comes with a handful of builtins to supplant the native windows ones |
| 03:53.39 | onefang | Then fullofquestions will be fullofwine. |
| 03:53.50 | gnarface | well, probably that is inevitable though |
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| 04:36.32 | lts- | Any ideas what was the cause of the delay? It is a bit scary that it took so long after buster-security had it |
| 04:51.28 | rwp | lts-, Delay in which package? I don't see anything indicative in the scrollback. |
| 04:52.16 | lts- | Sorry, I meant the exim4 about which onefang spoke a few lines above |
| 04:55.00 | rwp | Thanks lts- for filling me in. |
| 04:55.31 | rwp | I have been rather ignoring the exim problems because I am not using exim anywhere. So it just hasn't been of concern to me. |
| 04:56.40 | lts- | Not using it either, just worried that there might be something which may cause an equally important security update to be delayed in the future, about a software I do use |
| 04:57.01 | unixbsd | i try to use elvis or kilo for settings. elvis isnt into the packages. |
| 04:57.23 | onefang | Exim4 is the one installed by default, so it worries a lot of people. I don't know the details, but there was an issue with amprolla, the software we use to pull info from Debian's repo servers to put together the info for our own. |
| 04:57.54 | lts- | Thanks onefang |
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| 12:36.13 | debdog | FYI regarding my pdf (passwort) issues (Ionic). found another one able to open the document: mupdf. |
| 12:36.13 | debdog | but it also reports "warning: aes padding out of range". so the issue might not be related to the passwort at all |
| 12:39.27 | debdog | well, the t in passwort is part of my german slang :P |
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| 14:03.45 | nawlert | It seems that xserver-xorg is broken in beowulf in it's dependencies. Now it pulls 400+mb including adawaita icon theme for some reason. |
| 14:04.05 | nawlert | an icon theme should never be a dependency |
| 14:04.32 | nawlert | it also pulled in gtk3 for some reason |
| 14:04.52 | nawlert | that is just silly. I now have to purge gtk |
| 14:05.49 | debdog | you prolly looking for xserver-xorg-core |
| 14:06.23 | nawlert | thank you, i will keep that in mind |
| 14:06.58 | nawlert | i had no idea that xorg was a meta package. |
| 14:07.06 | xinomilo | or maybe : apt install xserver-xorg --no-install-recommends |
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| 14:10.42 | nawlert | i know that devuan is not a mirror of debian in it's repo's. But deprecating amiwm in the repos? What was the reason for that? I mean is has been working for me perfectly for twenty years.. Building it is no big deal, ofcourse. |
| 14:11.28 | nawlert | rel date:1994 |
| 14:11.43 | xinomilo | it's in testing/ceres, don't know why not on stable.. maybe check debian page |
| 14:12.58 | xinomilo | aha, it's actually in repos.. just in non-free |
| 14:13.34 | nawlert | oh my bad. Thank you vvery much |
| 14:13.50 | nawlert | it is the only desktop i can stand |
| 14:14.19 | nawlert | sadly most distros use the old 1998 version |
| 14:14.44 | nawlert | and not the 2010 version |
| 14:17.10 | nawlert | cool fact, it was the first desktop that made fmv (full motion video) available as a background. Ten years before windows vista =D |
| 14:17.57 | xinomilo | but why non-free ? do you know? |
| 14:18.30 | nawlert | i have no idea, it is free as in GPL on any version older than the 1998 vversions and previous |
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| 14:19.13 | nawlert | but as ubuntu uses that one (lacks so much functionality) |
| 14:19.39 | nawlert | it became the standard package.. (this is just an assumption) |
| 14:21.40 | nawlert | Oh if you read the license it is gpl+ which means you can do anything at all with it. Perhaps that is why. |
| 14:21.52 | nawlert | It is not defined as gpl |
| 14:22.25 | xinomilo | aha, ok! thx. |
| 14:23.30 | nawlert | Try it, it is hard to set it up properly, with strange a strange .rc structure. but once it is running you might never want to go back |
| 14:25.30 | nawlert | thank you, it seems the devuan package is up to date. |
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| 17:46.45 | Elio_Milano | Buonasera a tutti, chissà se qualcuno parla ITAliano qui? :) |
| 17:46.57 | Elio_Milano | Mesi fa ho aggiornato questo sistema da Jessie a Beowulf. Ed ora addio a startx -> xorg -> openbox :-( Qualcuno è competente in materia? Nel log utente di Xorg: "parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)", un classico. Da root Xorg si avvia.. |
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| 18:34.17 | fullofquestions | How can wine claim that I have less than 2GB space while installing a program while the disk has like 90GB? |
| 18:34.37 | tarzeau_ | the disk could be partitioned? |
| 18:35.01 | tarzeau_ | and maybe corresponding partition only has 2gb space? |
| 18:35.09 | fullofquestions | it is, does wine use the system partition and not the home one? |
| 18:35.15 | tarzeau_ | or it's using some temproray directory where the space is going out? |
| 18:36.03 | fullofquestions | no clue on a temp one, how could I check this? |
| 18:36.16 | tarzeau_ | strace yourprogram :) and grep |
| 18:38.15 | fullofquestions | strace wine / grep wine? sorry I'm new to linux |
| 18:39.09 | fullofquestions | but shouldn't wine disk usage default to home? or even if it is at system/root there should be enough space |
| 18:39.31 | fullofquestions | i haven't changed any setting |
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| 19:06.44 | fullofquestions | strangest thing is I tried to continue the installation to see what happens. It filled the available 2GB, but the installation failed (probably cause it needed 2.3GB), |
| 19:07.22 | fullofquestions | now the space seems occupied but the files aren't there c/program files in wine |
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| 19:23.40 | DPA | If you execute "df -h" you can see which partitions are full. (Unless it's a btrfs quota, thats a different command.) |
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| 19:26.29 | fullofquestions | as expected nothing is full, besides the root partition to which i gave 11GB (is that normal?). The rest not even close. |
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| 20:09.56 | fullofquestions | I also got to the weird situation of not being able to do things as admin, while being able to do them as simple user |
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| 20:19.38 | djph | fullofquestions: er,what? |
| 20:20.25 | fullofquestions | i tried a command as root, told me I don't have permission to that location or something |
| 20:20.41 | fullofquestions | as simple user it worked right after |
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| 20:23.44 | sgage | fullofquestions: wine on my chimaera installation only puts 69 MB in ~/.wine |
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| 20:25.10 | djph | weird. |
| 20:25.48 | DPA | I don't think the root partition is supposed to ever be full. |
| 20:25.57 | sgage | most of it is in /usr/lib, in various places |
| 20:26.00 | djph | ideally, it's not :) |
| 20:26.54 | sgage | I can't track them all down, but there's some stuff in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 20:27.28 | fullofquestions | maybe it displays as full cause it isn't supposed to be used? I gave it 11GB, (I think) I haven't touched it, and the installation, and me on linux/devuan only dates some days back:p |
| 20:28.09 | sgage | but I can't make it work out to anything like 2.3 GB - a few 100 MB is all I can find |
| 20:28.56 | fullofquestions | you mean in .wine? or in general you can't give it more space? |
| 20:29.29 | sgage | I mean that when I add up all the files here and there, it comes to maybe 400 MB max. |
| 20:29.44 | fullofquestions | ok |
| 20:30.29 | fullofquestions | my issue was it didn't give me more than 2GB for installation, even though the disk space is huge compared to that |
| 20:31.05 | fullofquestions | hmm |
| 20:31.25 | golinux | I have a nearly 30gb root because in the past I have run out of disk space when processing video in /temp |
| 20:31.42 | golinux | I should have used / |
| 20:32.31 | fullofquestions | Â /usr/ is in root right? cause mine seems to be |
| 20:32.32 | sgage | it shouldn't need anything like 2 GB for the installation. |
| 20:33.02 | fullofquestions | 2GB was for a game installation (it needed 2.3 actually) |
| 20:33.34 | sgage | a game installation! I'd have thought that would go to your ~/.wine... |
| 20:34.50 | fullofquestions | seems I've misunderstood some things, and maybe I have filled root |
| 20:35.22 | fullofquestions | I thought root would only have the base system files, and the rest goes in home |
| 20:35.35 | fullofquestions | but doesn't seem so |
| 20:36.05 | sgage | yes, there are lots and lots of wine files in /usr/lib/... |
| 20:36.06 | fullofquestions | my /usr is full of things |
| 20:36.19 | sgage | Only 89MB goes in ~/.wine |
| 20:36.45 | sgage | yes, /usr is full of things, that's normal :-) |
| 20:37.16 | fullofquestions | I guess I'll have to give most of the 120GB "C" drive to the root partition |
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| 20:37.31 | sgage | i use synaptic to quickly and easily show me what files a package is going to install |
| 20:37.35 | fullofquestions | changing it with gparted now shouldn't be an issue right? |
| 20:37.37 | sgage | and where they are placed |
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| 20:39.21 | sgage | I am not sure how much space you have in which partitions. All I know is |
| 20:39.50 | sgage | that on my computer, a full wine installation puts 89MB in ~/.wine, and a few |
| 20:40.08 | sgage | hundred more MB in /usr, and a launcher in /usr/bin |
| 20:40.47 | sgage | where your game wants to put 2.3 GB I don't know - THAT is the kind of thing |
| 20:41.20 | sgage | that really ought to go in ~/.wine, but you have lots of drive space in ~ |
| 20:42.15 | sgage | I am really not clear on your partitioning scheme - you can run gparted |
| 20:42.32 | sgage | and see it all laid out, and maybe you can tell us. |
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| 20:47.55 | fullofquestions | yes sda1 (root) 11GB is full, half of it in /usr. Sda2 100GB has 90% empty space |
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| 20:49.59 | sgage | and sda2 is a separate /home partition? |
| 20:51.14 | fullofquestions | yes |
| 20:52.38 | fsmithred | how the hell did you fill 11GB?? |
| 20:52.49 | fsmithred | gnome AND kde? |
| 20:52.55 | fullofquestions | i'm still wondering:p |
| 20:53.23 | fsmithred | install and run gdmap |
| 20:53.35 | fullofquestions | just hedders, wine, essentials and a couple of games so far |
| 20:53.47 | sgage | he can't, / is full :-) |
| 20:53.56 | fsmithred | lol, oh yeah |
| 20:54.02 | fsmithred | doesn't wine go into the user's home? |
| 20:54.04 | fullofquestions | oh and the nvidia drivers |
| 20:56.04 | fullofquestions | yes it did |
| 20:56.29 | fsmithred | as root, run 'du -sh /var' |
| 20:56.29 | sgage | fsmithred, some of wine goes into ~/.wine |
| 20:56.58 | sgage | most of it goes in /usr/lib/(various subdirectories) but doesn't amount |
| 20:57.13 | sgage | to more than a couple hundred MBs. |
| 20:57.18 | fsmithred | the win programs you install are in user's home, right? |
| 20:57.27 | fullofquestions | Â / is root right? |
| 20:57.32 | fsmithred | yes |
| 20:57.36 | fsmithred | well |
| 20:57.54 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.03 | fsmithred | but /root is root's home |
| 20:58.21 | fullofquestions | cause from / i can see a root folder and a home folder |
| 20:58.41 | sgage | I am confused. |
| 20:59.05 | sgage | root meaning '/' or root meaning '/root'? |
| 20:59.05 | fullofquestions | the later leads to home/user/.wine |
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| 21:00.04 | fsmithred | what? |
| 21:00.06 | fullofquestions | well the first disk (sda) has a display name of File System, and a path of / |
| 21:00.31 | fullofquestions | in there, there's root, home and other folders |
| 21:00.36 | fsmithred | yes |
| 21:00.40 | fsmithred | correct |
| 21:01.13 | fsmithred | inside /home should be the home directories of your users |
| 21:01.21 | fsmithred | probably just one |
| 21:01.49 | sgage | home is sda2, right? |
| 21:02.12 | fsmithred | The root user has a home directory that isn't in /home for reasons to do with separate partitions and booting. |
| 21:02.21 | fullofquestions | ok so since sda1 is / (11GB) and sda2 is labbeled /home (100) GB, i have set up a separate home partition as I though/was supposed to do right? |
| 21:02.49 | fsmithred | sounds like that's what you did |
| 21:02.54 | fsmithred | and it makes sense to do that |
| 21:03.30 | fullofquestions | ok there goes some of the confusion |
| 21:03.48 | fsmithred | I use 12GB in a virtual disk to create a snapshot.iso, and that allows enough room for a copy of the entire filesystem plus the iso that gets made |
| 21:04.09 | fsmithred | du -Sh / |
| 21:04.20 | fsmithred | look for big files/directories |
| 21:04.43 | fsmithred | or use gdmap if you want a graphical representation. (or kdirstat if you're in kde) |
| 21:05.10 | fsmithred | did you check /var? |
| 21:05.25 | fullofquestions | is there some command to run du -sh equivalent just on the first disk? |
| 21:05.47 | fullofquestions | cause it also searches my 400+ GB of old windows drive files |
| 21:05.48 | fsmithred | not sure how you'd do that |
| 21:05.58 | fsmithred | unmount the other volumes |
| 21:06.07 | fsmithred | du -sh /var |
| 21:06.09 | fsmithred | do that first |
| 21:06.16 | fsmithred | see if your logs are running away |
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| 21:07.46 | fullofquestions | du -sh /var |
| 21:07.46 | fullofquestions | 1.6GÂ Â Â /var |
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| 21:08.06 | fsmithred | ok, that's not the problem |
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| 21:09.22 | sgage | FoQ: you had successfully installed wine |
| 21:09.25 | fullofquestions | du _sh / |
| 21:09.40 | sgage | and then ran out of space on / while installing a game? |
| 21:09.55 | fullofquestions | returned 0Â Â Â /sys/module |
| 21:09.56 | fullofquestions | 0Â Â Â /sys |
| 21:09.56 | fullofquestions | 4.0KÂ Â Â /target_home |
| 21:09.57 | fullofquestions | 172KÂ Â Â / |
| 21:10.25 | fullofquestions | plus a bounch of others in this format: 0Â Â Â /sys/module , above that |
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| 21:10.38 | fullofquestions | and above those many empty lines |
| 21:11.20 | fullofquestions | yes I run out of space while installing a game |
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| 21:11.41 | fullofquestions | that's how this question, discussion started |
| 21:11.46 | Jjp137 | hm I wonder if you accidentally ran wine as root; is /root/.wine present by any chance? |
| 21:12.17 | fullofquestions | yes |
| 21:12.46 | fullofquestions | I tend to run many things as root to avoid being asked for extra permissions all the time |
| 21:12.49 | sgage | have a look into /root/.wine. I think Jjp137 is on to something... |
| 21:12.49 | Jjp137 | heh okay yeah that's probably why then |
| 21:12.51 | Jjp137 | oh don't do that. |
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| 21:13.06 | fullofquestions | but I guess not such a good idea after all:p |
| 21:13.17 | Jjp137 | yeah only run as root when you need to :p |
| 21:13.55 | Jjp137 | you don't need to be root to play games lol |
| 21:14.09 | fullofquestions | I know |
| 21:14.13 | sgage | as root, in /root, rm -r .wine. Then reistall your game from your user acct |
| 21:14.23 | fullofquestions | I'm just trying several things at once |
| 21:14.58 | fullofquestions | to find how this new system works, and didn't think it would cause issues to avoid some extra actions:p |
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| 21:15.54 | sgage | wine installs windows apps in the user's account that invoked it. |
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| 21:17.33 | fullofquestions | how do I replace space in paths in terminal? |
| 21:18.00 | fullofquestions | cause there's one extra folder there (game leftover) that needs removal |
| 21:18.11 | sgage | you use a backslash to 'escape' the character. |
| 21:18.12 | fullofquestions | and wine gave it the windows format |
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| 21:18.51 | sgage | E.g., rm -r this\ is\ a\ folder\ with\ spaces |
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| 21:19.30 | sgage | Also, case matters - 'folder' is not the same as 'Folder' |
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| 21:21.07 | fullofquestions | did it thanks |
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| 21:21.21 | sgage | yw |
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| 21:24.50 | fullofquestions | ok time to check the rest of root for leftovers, since it's still at 9GB, thanks everyone:) |
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| 21:32.02 | fullofquestions | hmm i got 0 AD through synaptic, but (at least some elements of) it exist in various folders in root |
| 21:32.35 | fullofquestions | is that normal? Could i have caused this by being root in a terminal at the time? |
| 21:34.52 | Jjp137 | that's normal |
| 21:37.16 | sgage | 0 AD is a Linux program, and the executables will install in /. Only config stuff |
| 21:37.49 | sgage | will be in your home directory. That is generally how it works. |
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| 21:40.37 | fullofquestions | hmm under what folder should it be in home? |
| 21:41.04 | fullofquestions | cause i can't find it's data folders and still / is 9GB |
| 21:41.29 | sgage | something like ~/.0AD, or maybe inside of ~/.config |
| 21:41.37 | sgage | when you install a Linux program |
| 21:41.50 | sgage | the program code is installed in / |
| 21:42.23 | sgage | and your personal game configuration data goes in ~, usually as a dotfile of its own |
| 21:42.43 | sgage | or sometimes in ~/.config |
| 21:43.01 | sgage | you might not see anything until you run it once |
| 21:43.04 | fullofquestions | config has a 53kb 0 ad |
| 21:43.10 | sgage | run it as user, not root! |
| 21:43.25 | sgage | should be in the menu. what DE are you using? |
| 21:43.39 | fullofquestions | but can't locate .0 ad or something related |
| 21:44.04 | fullofquestions | ok maybe i've only run it as root? could that create that in root? |
| 21:44.13 | sgage | then it puts its config in .config, which many programs do. |
| 21:44.41 | fullofquestions | i've run it once from the menu icon |
| 21:44.53 | Jjp137 | it might put other things in .local/share (Wesnoth does this, at least) |
| 21:45.00 | Jjp137 | (never played 0 AD) |
| 21:45.20 | sgage | gah! don't run as root! You'll now have crap in /root which you can delete at your leisure |
| 21:45.39 | sgage | yes .local/share sometimes has stuff. what DE are you using? |
| 21:46.46 | fullofquestions | DE is devuan? if so beowulf |
| 21:47.02 | Jjp137 | oh no DE means "desktop environment" |
| 21:47.05 | Jjp137 | like uh Xfce |
| 21:47.13 | fullofquestions | ah |
| 21:47.28 | fullofquestions | default, xfce i think |
| 21:47.51 | Jjp137 | yeah the default is Xfce so it would be in the Applications menu |
| 21:50.37 | sgage | fullofquestions: just for future reference, there is a Devuan forum: |
| 21:50.59 | sgage | https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 21:51.24 | sgage | Some problems are easier to work out in that format. |
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| 21:51.51 | sgage | and you can get a lot of basic info. |
| 21:52.11 | fullofquestions | my /home/devuan/.local/share/0ad/ has 1GB of files, and in a style similar to it's windows version, but most folders seem empty |
| 21:52.51 | sgage | play it a bit, and they'll probably get contents. I've never played it myself... |
| 21:53.11 | fullofquestions | also I didn't run it as root from terminal, only from the menu (but maybe I was root in a terminal at the time so that was part of the question) |
| 21:53.47 | sgage | if you are root in a terminal, it won't affect programs you launch from the menu |
| 21:53.56 | fullofquestions | ok |
| 21:54.28 | sgage | really, use root as little as possible until you have a better sense of things, |
| 21:54.49 | fullofquestions | yeah makes sense |
| 21:54.55 | sgage | you can get into deep trouble - like 'reinstall the system' trouble |
| 21:55.45 | sgage | If you have a bunch of general questions, post them on the forum. |
| 21:56.14 | sgage | There is a learning curve for sure! |
| 21:57.40 | sgage | I started with computers in 1980, well, the 70's really. A lot of clarity |
| 21:58.13 | sgage | comes from being sure 'who' is getting your commands, and "who" that entity |
| 21:58.15 | fullofquestions | I prefer the more direct interaction here, but I can understand if this is getting too much for the chat |
| 21:58.20 | sgage | thinks you are at the time. |
| 21:58.54 | sgage | It's just that for some things chat can get crazy, with questions asked and |
| 21:59.15 | sgage | not answered, vital for trouble shooting, and it gets confusing. |
| 21:59.28 | sgage | I know that I get confuse sometimes :-) |
| 22:00.33 | sgage | Back in my music days, my bandmates called me EC. It did not stand for |
| 22:00.59 | sgage | Eric Clapton (though I was a good guitarist!). It stood for Easily Confused :-) |
| 22:02.06 | golinux | Reminder . . . this is a technical support not an OT channel |
| 22:02.45 | golinux | #devuan-offtopic is for that |
| 22:02.45 | sgage | and with that reminder, I am off to make dinner (hi golinux! hope you're well) |
| 22:03.02 | golinux | Yes. thank you. And you too EC |
| 22:03.03 | fullofquestions | well i'm easily confused by linux, and still a crap guitarist |
| 22:03.15 | fullofquestions | sorry / end of off topic |
| 22:11.56 | rwp | Sometimes people accidentally run programs as root in their non-root home directory. Those can be found with "find . -user root -ls" and then fixed. |
| 22:12.21 | rwp | Because sometimes those end up with files and directories that need to be writable by the user but then become locked to root. |
| 22:13.35 | rwp | However running X as root does run it in root's home directory. But that's NOT RECOMMENDED due to X not being developed to run as root and therefore there is bound to be permission problems created due to it. |
| 22:14.17 | fullofquestions | I got this by running it (as normal user) |
| 22:14.19 | fullofquestions |  2752556    48 -rw-r--r--  1 root    root       45794 Mar 26 01:48 ./package_list |
| 22:14.20 | fullofquestions |  2759469     4 -rw-------  1 root    root         594 May 10 16:32 ./nano.save |
| 22:14.44 | rwp | Right. Exactly those types of files. I don't use nano but that looks like it would hurt nano running as a normal user. |
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| 22:15.05 | rwp | And the package_list is probably something from synaptic. Since I saw that you had run synaptic. So that one probably won't hurt. |
| 22:15.35 | fullofquestions | same results as root btw |
| 22:15.41 | rwp | But I would either change the owner:group of nano.save or remove it. "sudo chown $USER: nano.save" should do it. |
| 22:17.11 | rwp | fullofquestions, Also be careful pasting into any of the Freenode IRC channels. The anti-abuse bot triggers on large pastes globally and will automatically kick you from the channel. |
| 22:18.31 | rwp | Instead it is better to use a pastebin and then paste the URL to it. Any of a variety of pastebins are available. https://termbin.com/ has the advantage when pasting command output. But paste.debian.net is better for interactive cutting and pasting. |
| 22:21.04 | fullofquestions | also wine seems to be looking in system32 for .exe of programs placed elsewere and/or doesn't read \+space in place of space for folder/file names |
| 22:21.14 | fullofquestions | or I'm getting something wrong |
| 22:21.56 | fullofquestions | yeah I'm aware of and using (paste.debian.net) for larger pastes after a bot warning + previous advice |
| 22:23.36 | rwp | I have never really been happy with wine and therefore don't use it anymore. I use a Windows VM instead now. But "path" always includes system32 along with other directories so system32 has always been a place possible to put exe files. |
| 22:24.13 | fullofquestions | like manually move the exe there? |
| 22:24.48 | rwp | What? *You* were the one who says "also wine seems to be looking in system32 for .exe of programs placed elsewere..." I was just reacting to that statement. |
| 22:26.06 | rwp | But wine really is Windows and Windows in Wine questions would probably have better help in a #wine specific channel. |
| 22:26.08 | fullofquestions | I'm just asking if you ment moving the exe would make it work |
| 22:26.33 | fullofquestions | moving the exe there* |
| 22:26.51 | rwp | How would I know enough about what you are doing in order to suggest something like that? |
| 22:29.27 | rwp | Back in the day... on a real Windows system... one could "Run..." the "cmd" command, get a Microsoft console, type in "path" and Enter, and it would display the configured path. |
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| 22:29.38 | rwp | I have no idea how that applies to wine. |
| 22:32.52 | fullofquestions | I'm trying to run a program path + exe with spaces in folders and the exe name. I can't figure it out after trying everything I've read in guides or been adviced so far. So i thought that maybe you ment the answer could be moving the exe to .wine/drive_c/windows/system32/ |
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| 22:33.49 | rwp | I certainly did not mean to imply or suggest that. |
| 22:34.13 | fullofquestions | ok, but no need to get angry either |
| 22:34.57 | rwp | I am not angry. Text is always hard to emote. I am simply being very factual. Which can come off as harsh. But I am not. |
| 22:35.15 | fullofquestions | ok |
| 22:35.51 | rwp | Have you tried quoting the spaces? Something like: $ "./.wine/drive_c/some path here/file with spaces.exe" |
| 22:36.45 | rwp | Spaces are not significant to Unix/BSD/GNU/Linux/Devuan in any way. But the command line shell splits on white space. But groups those characters if quoted. |
| 22:38.20 | rwp | I also imagine that a graphical file browser such as Thunar, Nautilus, or other, will handle the white space correctly too. |
| 22:40.52 | fullofquestions | Thunar seems ok with the spaces wine creates if that's what you mean. But wine seems to be working only with terminal commands. |
| 22:42.29 | rwp | At this point I would check in with the wine experts over on the #winehq channel and see if they have better words of wisdom. |
| 22:42.39 | rwp | https://www.winehq.org/irc |
| 22:44.43 | rwp | This also looks useful: https://wiki.winehq.org/Wine_User%27s_Guide#How_to_install_and_run_Windows_programs |
| 22:45.34 | rwp | I want to note the use of quote marks in the examples. I feel confident part of the problem is there. |
| 22:58.53 | fullofquestions | yeah ' or " makes things easier |
| 23:00.49 | fullofquestions | as per your advice + info on the guide got to the next step but seems I'm missing the following |
| 23:00.58 | fullofquestions | err:winediag:SECUR32_initNTLMSP ntlm_auth was not found or is outdated. Make sure that ntlm_auth >= 3.0.25 is in your path. Usually, you can find it in the winbind package of your distribution. |
| 23:01.52 | rwp | No idea. Seems very Windows specific to me. Try the wine hq folks as I am sure they will recognize that problem. |
| 23:02.15 | fullofquestions | someone suggests sudo apt-get remove winbind && sudo apt-get install winbind |
| 23:02.45 | fullofquestions | will that work for devuan like it's suggested for ubuntu? |
| 23:03.19 | rwp | Yes. That would be the same with all of the Debian derived distributions. |
| 23:03.58 | rwp | I am speaking only about the apt-get remove and apt-get install part. I know nothing about winbind. |
| 23:04.36 | rwp | And instead of "remove" I suggest "purge". To purge off any /etc config files. Then the install will be pristine. apt-get purge foo; apt-get install foo |
| 23:04.42 | fullofquestions | Yeah I guess I could be missing a version that's not available on devuan |
| 23:05.02 | rwp | You can tell if there are config files remaining after a remove that was not purged: dpkg -l | grep ^rc |
| 23:08.45 | rwp | In Beowulf the version of winbind is 4.9.5, which is certainly newer than 3.0.25. Therefore I would think that it wanted a wine version of winbind and not a Linux version. |
| 23:09.04 | rwp | I am sure the #winehq folks would know. Seems right up their topic area. |
| 23:09.48 | fullofquestions | What windows emulator do you use? I'd like to check that since wine seems anoying so far and I already have my old windows drive full of installed programs |
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| 23:10.35 | rwp | I don't use any windows emulator. The only use for Windows I have is to run old games that require it. Doing that I run a full virtual machine. |
| 23:11.34 | rwp | I am using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libvirt but that is a pretty heavy framework. Good for novices however. |
| 23:11.35 | fullofquestions | yeah that's the one I ment |
| 23:12.24 | fullofquestions | and I mostly want it for the same reason + my hardcore isn't terrible |
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