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| 10:40.24 | ychaouche | Hello #devuan |
| 10:40.50 | ychaouche | If I want to run a script at boot time, should I just call it from /etc/rc.local or is that a bad idea ? |
| 10:42.57 | rrq | should be fine; make sure that rc.local doesn't return with failure though |
| 10:43.46 | ychaouche | the comment inside rc.local says "This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel." |
| 10:44.20 | ychaouche | So in theory there's a possibility that my script would be run more than once |
| 10:44.40 | rrq | if you change runlevel |
| 10:44.42 | gnarface | only if you change runlevels manually |
| 10:44.56 | gnarface | everything just uses runlevel 2 |
| 10:45.06 | gnarface | runlevel 3 now? |
| 10:45.10 | ychaouche | how many multiuser runlevels are they anyway ? |
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| 10:45.15 | ychaouche | are there* |
| 10:45.39 | gnarface | i don't think there's any distinction? |
| 10:45.41 | gnarface | not sure |
| 10:45.50 | rrq | man inittab |
| 10:46.09 | rrq | oops wrong window |
| 10:46.23 | ychaouche | :p |
| 10:46.27 | gnarface | oh, there's 4 of them |
| 10:46.31 | gnarface | 1 isn't, apparently |
| 10:47.17 | GyrosGeier | 0 is shutdown, 1 is singleuser, 2-5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot |
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| 13:44.28 | jonadab | Traditionally, 2 was multiuser without X11 logins (you could use startx...), 3 was multiuser with X11. |
| 13:44.50 | jonadab | And I guess 4 and 5 were for room for expansion, not sure. |
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| 13:46.55 | jonadab | In practice, I think most modern distributions only normally ever use runlevel 3, and reboot/shutdown. Unless you trigger one of the other runlevels manually somehow. |
| 13:47.01 | Tenkawa | back in the old old days 5 was x |
| 13:47.13 | jonadab | Oh, was it? Ok. |
| 13:47.23 | Tenkawa | 25 years ago |
| 13:47.25 | jonadab | I didn't start using Linux until 1998. |
| 13:47.33 | jonadab | So I don't know the _early_ history. |
| 13:48.48 | jonadab | I do remember that in Debian 1.3, X11 wasn't on the main CD, you needed an additional CD, or remote repositories. |
| 13:49.38 | Tenkawa | yeah... it was a mess |
| 13:49.59 | jonadab | Also, that was the dselect era, which was terrible. apt is so much better. |
| 13:50.08 | Tenkawa | indeed |
| 13:50.38 | Tenkawa | what are they trying to do with startx btw? |
| 13:50.48 | jonadab | Now? No idea. |
| 13:51.09 | Tenkawa | oh I thought someone in chaneel asked something I missed |
| 13:51.31 | jonadab | Traditionally, you could use startx to start an X11 GUI after you logged in. As opposed to having X11 running already and logging in through it. |
| 13:51.42 | jonadab | I suppose that still works? |
| 13:51.46 | jonadab | Haven't tried it lately. |
| 13:51.56 | Tenkawa | yeah... painful but it works |
| 13:52.36 | Tenkawa | I like the ease of *dm :) |
| 13:52.45 | jonadab | It was useful if you were having issues getting your XF86Config file right. |
| 13:53.32 | Tenkawa | or trying to get X -configure to produce a useable file |
| 13:54.18 | Tenkawa | (that got bad once AMD & NVIDIA came on the scene ) |
| 13:54.35 | jonadab | Oh, I had Matrox graphics cards back then. |
| 13:55.35 | jonadab | But there could still be things I wanted to tweak, like trying to get a scrollmouse wheel working, or multiple resolutions for ctrl-alt-+ / ctrl-alt-- |
| 13:55.39 | Tenkawa | I started on Unix itself in 79... never even had a need for graphical terminal at that point |
| 13:56.38 | jonadab | There are relatively few things you *need* a GUI for. Photo editing is one. |
| 13:56.51 | Tenkawa | indeed |
| 13:56.59 | jonadab | But it's kind of nice to have. |
| 13:57.18 | jonadab | Even if all you use it for is to run terminals. |
| 13:57.34 | jonadab | Well, terminals and a web browser, these days. |
| 14:00.12 | GyrosGeier | Debian never used any other runlevel than 2 |
| 14:01.01 | GyrosGeier | and I still log in on console and run "exec startx" |
| 14:01.21 | GyrosGeier | that's a lot saner than allowing root logins on X11 |
| 14:02.25 | Tenkawa | GyrosGeier: and debian isnt the only os/linux out there |
| 14:03.15 | Tenkawa | many others use tradional sysvinit levels |
| 14:03.52 | Tenkawa | and actually you are wrong |
| 14:06.39 | Tenkawa | root@OMENPC:/etc/rc3.d# ls -l | wc -l |
| 14:06.39 | Tenkawa | 31 |
| 14:06.39 | Tenkawa | /etc/os-release - PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" |
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| 14:09.34 | GyrosGeier | default config in Debian is to install start/stop symlinks into all multiuser runlevels |
| 14:09.49 | GyrosGeier | basically, so admins have a base for local customizations |
| 14:10.19 | GyrosGeier | so there is no difference between runlevels in packages |
| 14:10.34 | Tenkawa | GyrosGeier: yes.... and if you want to get pedantic... it uses systemctl so these runlevels arent used at all |
| 14:10.50 | GyrosGeier | unlike redhat, which installed xdm into runlevel 3, but not 2, and set 3 as default |
| 14:10.53 | Tenkawa | like I said though.. this isnt all distros |
| 14:11.19 | Tenkawa | s/systemctlsyste,d |
| 14:11.29 | Tenkawa | er systemctl/systemd |
| 14:14.58 | Tenkawa | cheers all.. impendending storm approaches... snow 3 days ago.. tstorms today... figures |
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| 16:41.19 | ham5urg | Is it possible to boot up without GPU (headless) and pass the built-in GPU of the server towards a VM? |
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| 18:37.22 | ErRandir | I think you would need to blacklist DRM in your hypervisor kernel, not start anything display manager and X server, and pass through the PCI device of the GPU into the VM. |
| 18:48.54 | rwp | ham5urg, Yes. Do a web search for "kvm gpu passthrough" and you will find many guides on how to do it. |
| 18:48.57 | rwp | (I have looked into it but so far have not done it myself yet. But supposedly it works.) |
| 18:50.59 | lts- | There may be complications if it's the internal GPU though https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#Passing_the_boot_GPU_to_the_guest |
| 18:52.01 | rwp | I think it always needs to be a secondary gpu that is otherwise not touched by the host system. |
| 18:53.02 | rwp | I was trying to set up a VM to run an old game that I liked. Thought gpu passthrough might be required. But then found using the Cirrus emulation worked excellently and did not need it. |
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| 18:55.43 | rm | wow wow exactly what I'm wrangling with today... |
| 18:56.29 | rm | I did not succeed with the primary GPU yet |
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| 18:59.21 | rm | it appeared like setting "vfio-pci.ids=..." would allow the VFIO driver to grab the GPU early during boot https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#Binding_vfio-pci_via_device_ID |
| 18:59.55 | rm | but now reading the previously posted link, it might be also needed to save and provide the VGA BIOS |
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| 20:12.13 | ham5urg | rm, did you succeed to pass through the primary GPU? |
| 20:12.53 | rm | not yet, I did not reboot to try the vfio-pci.ids= yet |
| 20:13.05 | rm | and just now downloaded the BIOS for my card and prepared that |
| 20:13.10 | rm | did not reboot for that either |
| 20:13.25 | rm | try and tell me how it goes :) |
| 20:13.47 | rm | first I have to figure out how to make the secondary GPU to be the console GPU for host |
| 20:14.06 | rm | radeonfb failed to load on secondary GPU on previous attempts |
| 20:14.14 | ham5urg | rm, why you need the secondary gpu? Try without any GPU. Remotely |
| 20:14.50 | rm | I like being able to still access the host console directly |
| 20:15.04 | ham5urg | I use a usb-serial device for that |
| 20:16.10 | rm | it wasn't a big deal previously to run an old PCI video card as my primary "GPU" |
| 20:16.40 | rm | so I upgraded literally today, and now the console GPU wants an entire PCI Express slot |
| 20:16.53 | ham5urg | rm, AFAIK, you swith gpu0 and gpu1 via bios/efi |
| 20:16.53 | rm | so yeah I might reconsider how necessary that is, actually |
| 20:17.07 | ham5urg | switch* |
| 20:17.26 | rm | I don't remember seeing there a literal option to do that |
| 20:17.48 | rm | people say on forums this is sometimes swapped as a side effect via disabling CSM |
| 20:17.51 | ham5urg | I remember one for dell computer, but won't bet for my actual machine. |
| 20:18.03 | rm | there could be, but only if "gpu0" would be the onboard one |
| 20:18.09 | rm | not for when you have multiple ones in PCI-E |
| 20:19.30 | ham5urg | Why not pass the secondary? You need an Intel GPU inside VM? |
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| 20:20.57 | rm | If I want to keep my console-only old Radeon X300SE GPU as primary, that means keeping it in the first PCI-E x16 slot, and that throws both of the main slots into x8/x8 |
| 20:21.02 | rm | seems like a waste |
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