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| 12:51.14 | user__ | Hi. Does Devuan use a git installed on some private servers? I just found this in another context: https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/issues/159 |
| 12:51.41 | user__ | It lists a number of alternatives to github at the end. I assume Devuan went it's own way with this? |
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| 13:02.16 | furrymcgee | https://public-inbox.org/marketing.html |
| 13:24.28 | user__ | furrymcgee: is that marketing or are you answering me?:) |
| 13:25.34 | buZz | user__: there is https://gitea.devuan.dev/ btw |
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| 13:50.56 | furrymcgee | I am not talking about devuan private servers but the issues with gitlab |
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| 14:22.15 | user__ | public-inbox.org is git related somehow? |
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| 15:29.26 | Xenguy | With wicd taking a vacation in chimaera, do the alternatives basically boil down to network-manager (nm) and connman? |
| 15:29.55 | rm | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:30.27 | Xenguy | rm, of course, but for managing public wifi etc.? |
| 15:30.55 | rm | dunno. I'm only half-serious of course |
| 15:31.13 | rm | wicd doesn't work with my laptop's wifi for some reason even in beowulf |
| 15:31.23 | Xenguy | I agree with you, for a PC that mostly just stays put, in one location |
| 15:31.32 | rm | I don't use a ton of different wifi networks, so I'm fine with /e/n/i so far |
| 15:31.51 | Xenguy | ENI, I like it : -) |
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| 15:32.54 | Xenguy | I have read people who use wpa-supplicant and assorted hacks to manage different public wifi connections, so it's probably doable |
| 15:33.12 | Xenguy | I do prefer some setup that isn't too crude |
| 15:33.36 | Xenguy | And somehow I have a feeling that I just can't bring myself to use nm |
| 15:34.02 | Xenguy | So maybe connman is the first wicd alternative to try |
| 15:38.14 | Xenguy | bbiab |
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| 16:21.22 | Xenguy | So that was amusing: I uninstalled wicd, and then tried to apt-get install connman : -P |
| 16:21.50 | Xenguy | Based on this I was able to deduce a clear need for more kawfee! |
| 16:23.06 | Xenguy | I was able to ifdown and then ifup eth0, gain a network connection through ENI, and then did: apt-get install connman cmst |
| 16:23.49 | Xenguy | The latter is a QT based interface to the connman daemon, and so far I like it, and it works quite easily... |
| 16:25.38 | Xenguy | One thing I'm not sure about is the namserver situation, as I have /etc/resolv.conf chattr'd to immutable, and AFAIK am using unbound for DNS, yet connman appears to be referencing my ISP's nameservers, so will need to investigate this further... |
| 16:26.50 | Xenguy | fsmithred, Did you ever recall what it was about connman that rubbed you the wrong way initially? |
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| 16:35.19 | fsmithred | Xenguy, not sure what it was before, but currently, I don't like connman because it doesn't show the IP address easily and it doesn't show nearby wireless signals easily. |
| 16:37.02 | Xenguy | fsmithred, Good point, I have only verified that it handles my wired connection, i.e. haven't tested any wifi functionality yet |
| 16:37.54 | Xenguy | cmst shows the current IP address in one of the tabs |
| 16:39.07 | Xenguy | Huh, cmst seems to be showing wireless AP's fine also. Were you using the GTK frontend perhaps? |
| 16:43.15 | fsmithred | I tried both. |
| 16:44.01 | fsmithred | wicd shows it the easiest - you just hover on the tray icon. |
| 16:45.48 | Xenguy | Yeah, takes a couple of clicks to get that in connman |
| 16:46.52 | Xenguy | Not a showstopper, but I don't like how connman rescans the wireless AP's so frequently (perhaps there is a way to configure rescanning to be manual only). But again, not a real showstopper... |
| 16:47.29 | Xenguy | tuxd3v is mentioning a ncurses program called 'ceni'. Might have a look at that too. |
| 16:48.06 | fsmithred | I've tried it; it works; it's probably the lightest of the bunch. |
| 16:48.12 | fsmithred | not counting setnet.sh |
| 16:48.51 | Xenguy | Oh hyeah, I think you mentioned that script once upon a time... |
| 16:49.47 | Xenguy | I really only need this kind of thing for public wifi managment, otherwise I can just use ENI actually, since I use ethernet at home, not wireless |
| 16:50.07 | fsmithred | it's in devuan experimental |
| 16:50.15 | fsmithred | and has been there since jessie |
| 16:50.51 | onefang | ENI works fine for WiFi at home. They wont let me run an Ethernet cable across the hallway. |
| 16:50.55 | Xenguy | Looks like it's in beowulf here |
| 16:51.06 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 16:51.27 | fsmithred | where are you looking? |
| 16:51.39 | Xenguy | fsmithred, me? |
| 16:51.49 | fsmithred | yeah, what's in beowulf? |
| 16:53.31 | fsmithred | I have my laptop set up to use e/n/i with bridged networking in runlevel 2, and then uses wicd in runlevel 4 for when I'm away from home. |
| 16:54.04 | Xenguy | fsmithred, https://paste.debian.net/plainh/72687130 |
| 16:54.23 | Xenguy | fsmithred, Sounds like a fancy setup |
| 16:54.39 | fsmithred | you could have just said 'ceni' |
| 16:54.54 | Xenguy | I though I did = ) |
| 16:54.58 | fsmithred | ceni should be in all suites. It's not new. |
| 16:55.16 | Xenguy | Cool, think I might take it for a spin, but more kawfee first |
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| 17:11.41 | Xenguy | Was wondering how I was going to remember 'ceni', and then realized it probably stands for 'curses e/n/i' |
| 17:12.07 | onefang | lol |
| 17:12.35 | Xenguy | Right or wrong, it's a mnemonic that works for me : -) |
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| 17:27.18 | fsmithred | does it edit that file? |
| 17:29.02 | Xenguy | Confirmed, I just looked at the man page for ceni, and it gives this: |
| 17:29.05 | Xenguy | https://paste.debian.net/plainh/72687130 |
| 17:29.12 | Xenguy | Oh sorry |
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| 17:29.16 | Xenguy | Scratch that |
| 17:29.38 | Xenguy | NAME |
| 17:29.38 | Xenguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.43 | Xenguy | ^^ that |
| 17:37.26 | gnarface | i vaguely recall that wpa_supplicant is extensible through bash script hooks, and you can indeed manage wifi connections that way if you're clever |
| 17:37.51 | gnarface | i found it simpler to just have a static config too though |
| 17:38.50 | Xenguy | gnarface, Maybe one of those is the setnet.sh script previously mentioned? |
| 17:39.08 | gnarface | not sure really |
| 17:39.14 | Xenguy | I'm thinking Ceni might be the sweet spot, but will need to do some testing |
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| 18:46.55 | Xenguy | Gonna stick with connman/cmst I think; Ceni looks a tad crude |
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| 19:10.24 | unixbsd | plasma41: have fun, 18mb, and little memstick ;) I made a little bootable memstick to run on my notebook: https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/nanochessbasic/-/blob/master/image-nanochess-basic-v1-20m.img.gz |
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| 19:15.28 | Xenguy | fsmithred, I spotted one more GUI called wpagui, ever messed with that one? |
| 19:16.40 | unixbsd | no yet. I am trying to decode plpbt.bin to try to see how it works. |
| 19:17.15 | unixbsd | Xenguy: why not in FLTK, do you need one? |
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| 19:18.32 | Xenguy | unixbsd, FLTK? |
| 19:23.18 | fsmithred | Xenguy, I looked at it very briefly. It's not a candidate for default. |
| 19:24.26 | Xenguy | fsmithred, Certainly, just curious about it as a minimal method to manage changing public wifi configs |
| 19:24.56 | fsmithred | probably good for anyone who doesn't know how to edit wpasupplicant files (like me) |
| 19:25.09 | Xenguy | Might try it sometime if we're ever allowed to get out and about again |
| 19:43.29 | unixbsd | I just made a little gui for your wpa gui |
| 19:43.45 | unixbsd | have fun... sh compile.sh: https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/fltkwpagui/-/blob/master/fltkwpagui.png |
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| 20:04.25 | melodie | hi |
| 20:08.42 | melodie | I am trying to get new users in Devuan 32bits to get the same look and feel as I wish to configure. I have a first user with another background, icons and gtk theme, and did a full sync of the ~/.config/xfce4 directory to /etc/skel/.config but when I create a new user the background (which I put into /usr/share/backgrounds) is not there, instead it's a dark blue bg (not bad, but not what I expected). Also two other things have not come throught : I |
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| 20:46.38 | Walex | melodie: some bits of the configuration probaly are in 'dconf' because they are in 'xfce4-settings' |
| 20:47.49 | Walex | melodie: you can find which files contain which bit of configuration indirectly by changing the configuration and then running in the home directory something like 'find. -type f -mmin -5' afterwards. |
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| 21:07.57 | Xenguy | find . |
| 21:09.01 | melodie | Walex what is "-mmin" ? |
| 21:09.11 | melodie | thanks Xenguy |
| 21:10.11 | melodie | I have done a cp -R on xfce4 (in .config) to xfce4-backup, then changed some things, then did a diff -r |
| 21:10.23 | melodie | then changed some parts in /etc/skel/.config/xfce4 |
| 21:10.25 | Xenguy | melodie, np (the space matters). I think -mmin etc. is saying to find, "find all the files that have changed in the last 5 minutes |
| 21:10.35 | melodie | oh |
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| 21:10.59 | Xenguy | But I don't know for sure, just a guess. man page would know, of course |
| 21:11.02 | melodie | I will check dconf now |
| 21:11.09 | melodie | yes of course |
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| 21:26.05 | unixbsd | xfce4 needs xfce4 settings daemon to be started. |
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| 21:26.39 | unixbsd | make sure also that either your use .gtkrc or the xfce4 deamon, one is fine. |
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| 21:56.41 | tuxd3v | what's hapening...a great purge? |
| 21:59.12 | hagbard_ | net-split, nothing out of the ordinary, since the dawn of irc |
| 22:00.31 | rwp | Netsplits happen! |
| 22:06.41 | tuxd3v | Even "crashoverride" was unable to override.. :) |
| 22:10.26 | tuxd3v | ho boy I was terminated too on wesnoth, the undeath terminated me.. |
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| 22:12.54 | tuxd3v | matbe soemone just... hit the button?? |
| 22:13.13 | tuxd3v | someone* |
| 22:19.10 | melodie | hagbard rwp that was a Great Split |
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| 22:25.59 | tuxd3v | does any one knows how do I print in Mate desktop? |
| 22:28.14 | Xenguy | tuxd3v, I don't have a printer anymore, but I used to just set up CUPS, and provided you have a friendly printer, things would generally work |
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| 22:29.31 | tuxd3v | I remember that in tha past there was a applet in Control center for the printer.. |
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| 22:29.44 | tuxd3v | but I don't see it there :( |
| 22:29.48 | tuxd3v | Xenguy, ^^ |
| 22:31.13 | Xenguy | tuxd3v, Here on Beowulf, I have: Control Center > Administration > Print Settings |
| 22:35.35 | tuxd3v | I don't have this: Control Center > Administration > Print Settings in Chimaera :/ |
| 22:35.48 | Xenguy | Bug? |
| 22:36.06 | tuxd3v | it could be |
| 22:36.22 | tuxd3v | I am trying to find what package brings it.. |
| 22:36.29 | Xenguy | Sounds like a serious one, if so |
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| 22:39.47 | tuxd3v | well, maybe its there, but not activated, I didn't found it, I checked it now.. |
| 22:40.02 | tuxd3v | maybe some file is preventing it from appearing.. |
| 22:40.08 | tuxd3v | .desktop |
| 22:40.11 | tuxd3v | don't know |
| 22:40.58 | systemdlete2 | I have been finding btrfs to be a disaster. I don't know how I got conned into believing it, but I went and started making all new filesystems btrfs. I am having more than a bit of buyers remorse. |
| 22:42.08 | systemdlete2 | I began moving back to ext4 yesterday. I started with my host system, hoping that would kill most of the fallout. It took me about 8 hours of downtime to complete the change. And now the host seems happy enough, but only time will tell -- until the next calamity, if any. |
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| 22:43.54 | systemdlete2 | Meanwhile, some of the VMs (also tainted by many btrfs thanks to my ignorant decision to deploy btrfs everywhere) are experiencing odd issues. Today, I tried to modify a file on one of the VMs and discovered I couldn't because it had been remounted (!) readonly. The VM was behaving odd overall, so I rebooted. |
| 22:44.46 | Xenguy | Good to know, if btrfs is not ready for prime time |
| 22:44.48 | systemdlete2 | This has got to be the worst thing since the appearance of that borgmonster u-no-wott. |
| 22:45.22 | systemdlete2 | Xenguy, there is literally a page on a wiki listing all the problems with it. |
| 22:45.39 | Xenguy | WIP then : -) |
| 22:45.53 | systemdlete2 | Kind of like its big brother systemd |
| 22:46.58 | Xenguy | I go with 'stable' nowadays; my mad tinkerer days are over |
| 22:47.23 | Xenguy | I tinker to make things 'just work' now |
| 22:47.47 | systemdlete2 | Worse than all this is the fact that I had carefully handcrafted several "template" VMs with solely btrfs -- so that I could just clone these templates to create new VMs when I needed them. I created several varieties of beowulf including star and refracta versions with various dimensions |
| 22:47.57 | systemdlete2 | Very convenient... until now :( |
| 22:48.56 | systemdlete2 | Xenguy: Actually, I have never been much of an adventurer. In fact, it is surprising that I bought into this farce so quickly. I am extremely conservative as it comes to trying new stuff. |
| 22:48.56 | Xenguy | Well just because btrfs isn't fully ready now, doesn't mean it won't be some day |
| 22:49.50 | systemdlete2 | It's a combination of having gotten burnt numerous times as well as my years working in the conservative environment of a brokerage house where we had to be very very careful about deploying anything -- new or old! |
| 22:50.11 | systemdlete2 | I agree. And maybe trying it out on just a few select VMs would have made much more sense. |
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| 22:50.49 | systemdlete2 | Either way, I won't do THAT ever again. I'm going back to my original mindset: Don't be afraid to try new stuff, but do so carefully, especially at first. |
| 22:50.51 | aliceussr | Hello, comrades! |
| 22:51.21 | rwp | I have been hearing about btrfs for years. Technology of the future. And the future isn't here yet. |
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| 22:51.40 | rwp | However I was surprised to learn that Facebook uses btrfs extensively on their many thousands of servers. |
| 22:51.59 | Wafficus | How do I upgrade Devuan to basically Debian's testing branch? |
| 22:52.04 | aliceussr | Please tell me when is the next version of Devuan coming out? |
| 22:52.04 | rwp | All of them are probably doing exactly the same workload though and therefore not going to tickle any new or random event problem. |
| 22:52.24 | systemdlete2 | rwp: One more reason NOT to use FB |
| 22:52.24 | Wafficus | I ask because I want Emacs 27.1, and the current Devuan stable only has Emacs 26, so I would need this, and don't mind the testing version, since I use Debian 10 testing on a work VM just fine |
| 22:53.01 | rwp | Hello aliceussr. I am just another user but generally a Devuan release will follow the associated Debian release after a short time. |
| 22:53.47 | aliceussr | rwp: Ok, big thanks for your answer! |
| 22:53.58 | systemdlete2 | rwp: Anyway, yours are exactly my sentiments. But what can we do when such wares are offered to us at these great prices? They seem like bargains, until we actually start using them that is. |
| 22:54.21 | rwp | aliceussr, It's hard to give a definite solid answer because releases have always happened "when they are ready" without a fixed schedule. |
| 22:54.46 | rwp | But generally Debian/Devuan releases occur every two years in the late Spring. |
| 22:55.47 | systemdlete2 | maybe good to let new users know that there might be some delay to release devuan after debian releases theirs, due to numerous changes that could need to be made first. |
| 22:55.48 | rwp | aliceussr, For users that wish to test out the release candidates as they evolve there is the Testing suite. Currently named Chimaera. That will become the next Stable when it releases. It is still changing. |
| 22:56.28 | aliceussr | rwp: OK! I long wait next release Devuan. *DRINK* |
| 22:56.58 | rwp | Is there something in particular you are wanting or needing? Such as Wafficus who is wanting to use Emacs 27.1 in the next release? |
| 22:56.59 | systemdlete2 | aliceussr: Beowulf has been good to me so far (sans btrfs of course). |
| 22:57.21 | systemdlete2 | aliceussr: Check backports. Many times newer packages are available there. |
| 22:57.35 | aliceussr | systemdlete2: Ok, thanks! |
| 22:57.43 | rwp | If you have not seen it then this wiki page contains useful information about releases. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 22:58.51 | rwp | And this is the associated Devuan information page: https://www.devuan.org/os/releases |
| 22:59.13 | rwp | Wafficus, You say you are wanting to upgrade from Stable to Testing? |
| 23:00.23 | systemdlete2 | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=btrfs&limit=0&order=bug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&query_format=advanced |
| 23:00.57 | rwp | Wafficus, I have seen some various issues currently with Devuan Testing "Chimaera" since it is a moving target. So I might recommend a backport of Emacs if that is the only thing that you are wishing. That would be safer at this moment. |
| 23:00.59 | systemdlete2 | (I never considered checking the bug tracker for btrfs before deploying it.) |
| 23:01.06 | systemdlete2 | (Everywhere... ::headslap::) |
| 23:03.30 | rwp | Wafficus, I just looked and Emacs 27.1 is available on Beowulf from beowulf-backports which makes it probably the best solution for you. |
| 23:04.14 | rwp | systemdlete2, I feel like I should start expounding on the virtues of xfs now to see if I can entice you into switching from ext4 to xfs. :-) |
| 23:04.37 | systemdlete2 | rwp!!!! |
| 23:04.55 | rwp | laughs evily... |
| 23:05.05 | Wafficus | rwp: gotcha, can you guide me how to use the backports in tha case for Devuan to allow for Emacs 27.1? |
| 23:05.20 | systemdlete2 | You see how vulnerable I am at this tender moment, and yet you continue to woo me... you stinker you! |
| 23:05.34 | rwp | At installation time the devuan installer usually places a beowulf-backports line into the /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 23:05.48 | rwp | Please look at that file and let us know if you have that line there. |
| 23:05.49 | systemdlete2 | thinks rwp may be part of the borg |
| 23:05.59 | Wafficus | rwp: gotcha, looking in that directory now |
| 23:06.09 | melodie | this https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2282 has helped me get lightdm working in Devuan |
| 23:06.15 | rwp | I am Pentium of Borg. Division is useless. You will be approximated! |
| 23:06.16 | melodie | I like it over slim |
| 23:06.28 | melodie | slim is too light not comfy |
| 23:06.51 | melodie | rwp DoctorWho revisited? |
| 23:06.57 | systemdlete2 | LEGALIZE DIVISION BY ZERO NOW! |
| 23:07.01 | rwp | I think it was fsmithred who was trying to discourage me from slim not long ago due to arrested development on it. |
| 23:07.15 | systemdlete2 | (it's a trump rally, ok?) |
| 23:07.38 | systemdlete2 | but I am o.t. now... |
| 23:07.43 | rwp | melodie, That was a joke on this old bug: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug |
| 23:07.44 | melodie | rwp if you like the smallest go for nodm |
| 23:07.51 | melodie | rwp let me see |
| 23:08.01 | Wafficus | https://termbin.com/hnmd |
| 23:08.10 | Wafficus | rwp: |
| 23:08.15 | Wafficus | that's the output of sources.list |
| 23:08.44 | melodie | aha ok |
| 23:09.16 | melodie | rwp your say looked a lot like the Daleks call |
| 23:09.26 | rwp | Wafficus, Good! You have the "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main" line in place already. |
| 23:09.37 | rwp | So then we just need to dig up the command to install from it. Anyone have that on the tip of their fingers already? |
| 23:10.17 | fsmithred | apt -t beowulf-backports install <package> |
| 23:10.19 | melodie | I wonder, about the snapshot tool : what if I asked the dev(s) in charge of it to merge it's best parts with antiX snapshot scripts best parts? |
| 23:11.01 | fsmithred | melodie, you need to be more specific. What parts? |
| 23:11.08 | melodie | would that be a request having a chance to be considered? |
| 23:11.31 | fsmithred | yeah, but only if you tell me what parts |
| 23:11.49 | rwp | Wafficus, See fsmithred's command a few lines up, for emacs basically: apt-get install -t beowulf-backports -s emacs |
| 23:12.13 | melodie | hi fsmithred the parts that allow choosing if you want it for your own use or for distributing, then if so it will just ignore your home and for one, reset it to default, for two use prior whatever you have put inside /etc/skel |
| 23:12.14 | rwp | I added -s to simulate so that it will show but not do anything. If that is what you want then remove the -s and install it for real from backports. |
| 23:12.15 | Wafficus | gotcha, will try that now thanks rwp |
| 23:12.18 | Wafficus | adding to my notes |
| 23:12.58 | fsmithred | melodie, you can already do that with refractasnapshot by adjusting the excludes file |
| 23:13.04 | melodie | fsmithred I guess either the dev would need to try the actual Snapshot tool, or I would have to be very precise with a feature request, with steps by steps and screenshots |
| 23:13.39 | melodie | fsmithred yes, but that file will stay in the snapshot then in the iso that is to be distributed and it should not |
| 23:13.40 | fsmithred | look at /usr/lib/refractasnapshot/snapshot_exclude.list |
| 23:13.54 | rwp | Thanks fsmithred! I was stuck trying to deduce the -t target being beowulf-backports. I tried other things unsuccessfully. |
| 23:13.54 | melodie | fsmithred I have added an exclude directory |
| 23:14.07 | fsmithred | good point. You can change the location of the excludes file and the config file. |
| 23:14.20 | fsmithred | Put them in the snapshot directory, and they won't be copied. |
| 23:14.32 | melodie | it still leaves traces |
| 23:14.33 | fsmithred | the defaults will stay in their default location |
| 23:14.37 | fsmithred | where? |
| 23:14.55 | fsmithred | you want the log excised? |
| 23:14.59 | melodie | in the file where it says what exclude file path and file will be used |
| 23:15.07 | fsmithred | that's the config file |
| 23:15.12 | rwp | Wafficus, I am surprised by how many dependencies Emacs is pulling in. But that is the full X graphical UI. Are you using the GUI or the -nox TUI for emacs? |
| 23:15.25 | fsmithred | you put that in the snapshot directory and use -c option to point to the config file |
| 23:15.29 | fsmithred | start from command line |
| 23:15.35 | rwp | Wafficus, When I test the emacs-nox here the upgrade is significantly smaller and less invasive. |
| 23:15.47 | melodie | fsmithred it is difficult for me to explain, I just found Devuan having a better finish, and antiX an easier snapshot tool |
| 23:15.47 | rwp | But of course that is the curses text screen only. |
| 23:15.59 | melodie | fsmithred especially the gui |
| 23:16.29 | fsmithred | oh, I don't bother using the gui version of refractasnapshot. |
| 23:16.40 | systemdlete2 | thinks deeply about strategy to rollback all of his VMs from btrfs to ext4 |
| 23:16.43 | melodie | fsmithred what do you use? |
| 23:16.49 | fsmithred | cli version |
| 23:16.59 | fsmithred | refractasnapshot -d -c refractasnapshot.conf |
| 23:17.07 | melodie | so? |
| 23:17.08 | Wafficus | rwp: I'm using the graphical version of Emacs 27. |
| 23:17.11 | melodie | ok good to know |
| 23:17.18 | Wafficus | on my Gentoo laptop, I also utilize Emacs Window Manager |
| 23:17.24 | Wafficus | but for this particular Devuan desktop |
| 23:17.28 | melodie | fsmithred does refractasnapshot come with a man? |
| 23:17.33 | Wafficus | I only want to use MATE desktop or Openbox, that's it |
| 23:17.33 | fsmithred | no |
| 23:17.45 | melodie | (it is working now so I can't disturb it) |
| 23:17.46 | fsmithred | readme is accessible from within the program |
| 23:17.48 | melodie | a -h ? |
| 23:17.52 | melodie | ok |
| 23:17.57 | melodie | good to know too |
| 23:17.58 | fsmithred | yeah, -h|--help |
| 23:18.08 | melodie | do you start it as root with su ? |
| 23:18.14 | fsmithred | yes |
| 23:18.18 | fsmithred | uh... |
| 23:18.25 | fsmithred | I fixed my root's path in beowulf |
| 23:18.28 | fsmithred | oh |
| 23:18.37 | fsmithred | n/m I fixed the path in the scripts |
| 23:18.38 | rwp | Wafficus, Very good. It's a choice so that is why I was asking. Backports of X programs can have a significant cone of upgrade to the newer versions. That's okay though. |
| 23:18.48 | melodie | do you need to copy the whole refractasnaptshot.conf to the snapshot directory or only the part you want to change? |
| 23:18.55 | Wafficus | gotcha, its just my |
| 23:18.55 | fsmithred | all of it |
| 23:18.58 | Wafficus | *Just Works Desktop |
| 23:18.58 | melodie | ok |
| 23:19.04 | Wafficus | so I don't mind anything installed on this machine personally |
| 23:19.09 | fsmithred | you can do the same with the excludes files |
| 23:19.18 | Wafficus | sweet, Emacs --version shows 27.1 |
| 23:19.24 | Wafficus | gonna launch it and see if my config works |
| 23:19.27 | melodie | fsmithred ok I get it |
| 23:20.29 | rwp | fsmithred, It would be awesome if https://www.devuan.org/os/packages mentioned an example install using the "-t <release codename>-backports" option. :-) |
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| 23:20.58 | melodie | fsmithred then you do " refractasnapshot -d -c refractasnapshot.conf " and that conf file contains the path to your custom exclude files then? I think I am starting to get it |
| 23:21.05 | fsmithred | melodie, the excludes file is set to exclude everything I could think of that's private. You have to comment out some lines if you want to keep private keys. |
| 23:21.14 | fsmithred | yes, correct |
| 23:21.44 | melodie | I never create snapshots for my own use, only for redistribution |
| 23:21.52 | fsmithred | there are some example lines with explanation in the excludes file |
| 23:22.13 | fsmithred | yeah, most of mine are for someone else |
| 23:22.16 | melodie | fsmithred I had to read them twice to be sure that # was the sign to use for comments |
| 23:22.23 | melodie | some scripts sometimes use other signs |
| 23:23.04 | melodie | I didn't know what to think of the ' - ' signs at the start of the lines but I imitated the method |
| 23:23.31 | fsmithred | that will work. It means that item will not be copied by rsync. |
| 23:23.42 | fsmithred | it will be excluded from the snapshot |
| 23:23.46 | Wafficus | nice, the only thing left is to look at the fonts present |
| 23:23.59 | melodie | what bugs me is my home is in French, what if I want the users to be able to choose at the boot of the live? |
| 23:24.06 | Wafficus | I re-downloaded the 'Hack' font and placed it into /etc/fonts, and just need to check my Emacs itself to see if its actually using at per my config |
| 23:24.18 | Wafficus | other than that, looks like it was able to pull all my config dependencies just fine |
| 23:24.47 | fsmithred | change default locale to C before you make the snapshot. And timezone to UTC. |
| 23:25.10 | melodie | fsmithred ah ! with what? dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 23:25.25 | fsmithred | yes and dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 23:25.35 | melodie | oook! |
| 23:25.44 | melodie | thanks a lot for all your help! |
| 23:25.47 | fsmithred | yw |
| 23:25.52 | melodie | :-) |
| 23:26.44 | fsmithred | do you understand the other build/rebuild options? |
| 23:26.53 | fsmithred | save_work="yes" |
| 23:27.19 | fsmithred | and then you can manually change stuff in the work_dir and do a quicker rebuild |
| 23:27.20 | melodie | fsmithred after reconfiguring locale and timezone, should I use "sync", or reboot or something before starting refractasnapshot? |
| 23:27.37 | fsmithred | I think reboot is probably easiest. Or 'init 1' |
| 23:27.53 | melodie | init 1 ? |
| 23:27.58 | melodie | what does it do? |
| 23:28.04 | Xenguy | no, please, anything, but not the 'init', I beg of you |
| 23:28.07 | melodie | except going to init 1 ? |
| 23:28.12 | melodie | Xenguy :D |
| 23:28.17 | Xenguy | ;) |
| 23:28.18 | fsmithred | drops you to runlevel 1 |
| 23:28.37 | melodie | but what can anyone do in runlevel 1 ? |
| 23:28.39 | fsmithred | and all you have to do is press ctrl-d to return to the default runlevel |
| 23:28.49 | melodie | ? |
| 23:28.51 | fsmithred | it restarts everything without a full reboot |
| 23:29.00 | melodie | aha |
| 23:29.07 | melodie | ok but I'll reboot |
| 23:29.16 | fsmithred | faster, and it works if you don't need to reload the kernel |
| 23:29.23 | melodie | I use SSD's anyway so it's fast enough |
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| 23:29.35 | Wafficus | back |
| 23:29.39 | Wafficus | had to restart |
| 23:30.11 | fsmithred | if you want to be tricky, chroot the work_dir and reconfigure locales and tz there. |
| 23:30.15 | melodie | fsmithred so you run init 1 as root, then you press Ctrl+D and it magically has restarted everything faster? |
| 23:30.17 | fsmithred | then re-squash |
| 23:30.24 | fsmithred | yes |
| 23:30.36 | fsmithred | it's almost a reboot |
| 23:30.59 | fsmithred | Xenguy, what don't you like about that? |
| 23:31.15 | melodie | when you chroot the work dir do you need to bind and stuff dev sys proc and tmpfs ? |
| 23:31.46 | melodie | mount and bind? |
| 23:31.52 | fsmithred | depends on what you want to do |
| 23:32.03 | melodie | just what you just suggested |
| 23:32.07 | fsmithred | I usually do those things |
| 23:32.11 | melodie | in that case, is it needed? |
| 23:32.11 | fsmithred | uh |
| 23:32.19 | fsmithred | are you running refracta or pure devuan? |
| 23:32.52 | Wafficus | oh yeah, someone told me about refracta the other day, looked neat |
| 23:32.55 | melodie | I downloaded and installed devuan, so that should be devuan, right? |
| 23:33.17 | fsmithred | for installing packages, I don't think you need to bind mount those things. For grub-install you definitely do. |
| 23:33.21 | melodie | I don't know about refracta anyway, only the name of the snapshot tool. |
| 23:33.21 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 23:33.23 | Wafficus | thanks guys for helping me get Emacs 27.1 on this machine :) |
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| 23:33.57 | melodie | fsmithred lets get back to the work dir that I'd chroot : |
| 23:34.03 | fsmithred | ok |
| 23:34.10 | melodie | once inside the chroot I reconfigure locales and timezone. |
| 23:34.17 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 23:34.21 | fsmithred | then exit the chroot |
| 23:34.24 | melodie | then I exit the chroot in order to rebuild : is that right? |
| 23:34.33 | fsmithred | and run the re-squash option |
| 23:34.39 | melodie | ok* |
| 23:34.42 | fsmithred | of refractasnaphsot |
| 23:34.48 | melodie | that will be for next day or so :) |
| 23:34.50 | fsmithred | I think it's #2 |
| 23:35.03 | melodie | #2 ? there is a number two? |
| 23:35.24 | fsmithred | if you just edit the boot menu in the iso dir, you can use the option to re-run xorriso |
| 23:35.30 | fsmithred | there are at least 4 options |
| 23:36.01 | melodie | where is that boot menu in the iso dir? |
| 23:36.09 | melodie | a file? |
| 23:36.15 | fsmithred | live.cfg |
| 23:36.18 | melodie | ah ! |
| 23:36.25 | melodie | ok, I didn't know about it yet |
| 23:36.31 | fsmithred | work/iso/isolinux/live.cfg |
| 23:36.40 | melodie | great! |
| 23:36.54 | fsmithred | or find the template in /usr/lib/refractasnapshot |
| 23:37.15 | melodie | I'll look tomorrow, not it's 1:36 am here, I can't keep on learning now |
| 23:37.28 | melodie | I'll reread the discussion from the log here tomorrow |
| 23:37.35 | fsmithred | have fun |
| 23:37.41 | melodie | thanks! ^^ |
| 23:37.46 | melodie | gn |
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