| 00:00.02 | Unit193 | +r is required to join, +q $~a is only to speak. |
| 00:00.03 | crashoverride | unless it's written by me, in which case, I'm fine with it. |
| 00:00.52 | crashoverride | DHE: I feel like +r is a channel mode, and +R a user mode. |
| 00:01.01 | crashoverride | not sure what +R would mean in the context of a channel. |
| 00:01.12 | Unit193 | crashoverride: You are correct. |
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| 00:01.17 | support-RMS | YHWH explicitly allows child brides. |
| 00:01.19 | support-RMS | > The Torah explicitly allows men to marry female children, including in |
| 00:01.26 | crashoverride | ah, someone unplugged their modem :D |
| 00:01.32 | crashoverride | ahahah nuked. |
| 00:01.59 | crashoverride | I like the "including in ... k-lined" |
| 00:02.38 | crashoverride | anyhow, as it seems, I'm not the only one to have doubts about blockchain's current implementations, and BTC in general. |
| 00:02.55 | crashoverride | but yeah, ok, I'll talk about that on #devuan-offtopic for the future. |
| 00:03.06 | crashoverride | And if anyone's interested in papers I find, well, check there. |
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| 00:04.25 | spprt-rms | YHWH explicitly allows child brides. |
| 00:04.27 | spprt-rms | > The Torah explicitly allows men to marry female children, including in |
| 00:04.30 | spprt-rms | > cases of the rape (tahphas) of the girl child: Devarim chapter 22, |
| 00:04.32 | spprt-rms | > verse 28. Key words: Na'ar (child (hebrew masoretic text)), Padia |
| 00:04.35 | spprt-rms | > (child: padia+philos = paedophillia (greek septuagint)) Puella (young |
| 00:04.37 | spprt-rms | > girl (latin vulgate)) |
| 00:04.40 | spprt-rms | > Nachmanides points out that a child may be called na'ar from the moment |
| 00:04.42 | spprt-rms | > he is born |
| 00:04.45 | spprt-rms | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.47 | spprt-rms | Support RMS |
| 00:04.52 | spprt-rms | He just wants you to have the cute young little virgin girls you deserve. |
| 00:05.09 | spprt-rms | Because he wanted that too, I suppose. |
| 00:05.22 | spprt-rms | RMS: |
| 00:05.25 | spprt-rms | >"The nominee is quoted as saying th... |
| 00:05.39 | spprt-rms | and even incest and pedophilia" also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally--but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness." |
| 00:05.43 | spprt-rms | (RMS) |
| 00:05.43 | *** mode/#devuan [+b *!*@*.dyn.optonline.net] by fsmithred |
| 00:05.43 | *** kick/#devuan [spprt-rms!~fsmithred@devuan/developer/fsmithred] by fsmithred (spprt-rms) |
| 00:06.26 | crashoverride | fsmithred: yep; good call :P |
| 00:08.35 | crashoverride | one must be really stupid to use their home connection to spam like this |
| 00:08.45 | crashoverride | in times where amazon instances are so cheap... :D |
| 00:08.55 | fsmithred | probably not his home. He's a well known troll. |
| 00:09.06 | fsmithred | or maybe a stupid impersonator |
| 00:09.18 | crashoverride | how can you know it's a well known troll if he's not using his home connection? |
| 00:09.26 | crashoverride | is it often that people quote the torah?\ |
| 00:09.54 | fsmithred | lol, no but maybe that got him kicked |
| 00:10.01 | crashoverride | yeah |
| 00:10.01 | fsmithred | I didn't do that one |
| 00:10.09 | crashoverride | the kline? |
| 00:10.12 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 00:10.15 | crashoverride | well, you'd need to be an ircop |
| 00:10.21 | crashoverride | but some people here might be ;P |
| 00:10.25 | crashoverride | you never know :D |
| 00:10.41 | fsmithred | oh, maybe. Usually it says Sigyn did it, but not that time |
| 00:10.44 | crashoverride | I mean, you can easily look up who's staff and all |
| 00:10.59 | crashoverride | but that won't prevent staff from joining incognito from another host, a vpn or a vps |
| 00:11.06 | *** join/#devuan jess (jess@freenode/staff/jess) |
| 00:11.09 | crashoverride | just for the sake of enjoying some chipp time :D |
| 00:11.12 | crashoverride | chill* |
| 00:11.20 | crashoverride | ah well, that's a clear staff tho :D |
| 00:11.24 | fsmithred | did the cavalry just arrive? |
| 00:11.29 | crashoverride | would seem so. |
| 00:11.41 | crashoverride | gets the drums out |
| 00:11.54 | crashoverride | (the whisky drums, ofc) |
| 00:12.03 | fluffywolf | sits on jess. :P |
| 00:12.15 | crashoverride | funny, staff joins, new-zelander leaves... |
| 00:12.22 | crashoverride | I don't wanna point fingers but... |
| 00:12.49 | crashoverride | new-zealander even |
| 00:13.06 | jess | wasn't me |
| 00:13.14 | crashoverride | "I didn't do it" |
| 00:13.16 | jess | :) |
| 00:13.19 | fsmithred | no, the one who left is a regular on the forum |
| 00:13.21 | crashoverride | "ay caramba" |
| 00:13.28 | crashoverride | okay Bart, we know it's you. |
| 00:13.57 | fsmithred | jess, did you arrive because of my cry for help? |
| 00:14.04 | crashoverride | fsmithred: I was just joking because centuries ago, european countries sent their criminals there... |
| 00:15.39 | jess | sort of |
| 00:16.35 | jess | if an op highlights sigyn, she tells us |
| 00:16.45 | jess | thought i'd come see if everything was alright |
| 00:16.58 | fsmithred | if you have any tips for dealing with mikeeusa, I'm happy to listen |
| 00:17.12 | crashoverride | jess: ah :D |
| 00:17.34 | crashoverride | fsmithred: well, the ban on their provider's mask is a good start really |
| 00:17.51 | crashoverride | a biiiit large for a ban, but iron clad. |
| 00:18.08 | fsmithred | there's a larger one on the list of weapons |
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| 00:18.28 | fsmithred | I picked "host". Next one is "domain" |
| 00:18.33 | crashoverride | :D |
| 00:18.38 | crashoverride | ban: tld |
| 00:19.05 | fsmithred | will that ban wear off automatically after a time? |
| 00:19.14 | fsmithred | or do I have to undo it |
| 00:19.17 | crashoverride | unless you said so, no. |
| 00:19.20 | crashoverride | you hvae to undo it |
| 00:19.27 | crashoverride | and I think that's a client feature, not a server one. |
| 00:19.33 | crashoverride | so you would have to: |
| 00:19.36 | crashoverride | 1. have a client supporting it |
| 00:19.39 | crashoverride | 2. be online |
| 00:20.17 | jess | freenode has a couple of bots laying around that will expire bans for you, though i only know how to use one of them and it's a bit old |
| 00:20.39 | fsmithred | what's the command to undo it? |
| 00:20.42 | fsmithred | I used a gui |
| 00:20.53 | crashoverride | /mode -b afaik? |
| 00:20.59 | jess | /mode #devuan -b *!*@*.dyn.optonline.net |
| 00:21.07 | crashoverride | same command but with a - instead of the + |
| 00:21.07 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 00:21.14 | crashoverride | but maybe wait a bit. |
| 00:21.18 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 00:21.21 | crashoverride | or you wanna see jess have fun? :D |
| 00:21.24 | fsmithred | I think I'll sleep |
| 00:21.36 | crashoverride | yeah it's almost 2:30 AM dog damnit |
| 00:21.56 | jess | no it's 01:21 in freenode standard time |
| 00:21.57 | fsmithred | oh, if jess wants to spar with mikee, I'd lift it now |
| 00:22.15 | crashoverride | jess: I see you are living on an island ;) |
| 00:22.19 | jess | :) |
| 00:23.11 | jess | do you think he's likely to evade? |
| 00:23.17 | crashoverride | well, he did. |
| 00:23.21 | crashoverride | like 3 times. |
| 00:23.26 | jess | oh i see |
| 00:23.52 | fsmithred | a known troll who haunts our mailing list from time to time |
| 00:23.57 | crashoverride | ah? |
| 00:24.04 | crashoverride | also on the ML? |
| 00:24.08 | fsmithred | oh yeah |
| 00:24.16 | crashoverride | I can hear that "oh yeah" |
| 00:24.20 | crashoverride | :DD |
| 00:24.28 | jess | hmm |
| 00:24.28 | crashoverride | with rolling eyes. |
| 00:24.57 | crashoverride | (I mean, you rolling eyes while saying it; not me hearing through my rolling eyes, that'd make little sense) |
| 00:25.03 | golinux | That's why the list is now moderated |
| 00:25.20 | jess | well people ban evading in project channels catch network bans |
| 00:25.48 | jess | though i wouldn't advise lifting the ban to let him back in to catch my wrath unless you're worried about the ban hitting innocent people between now and when you wake up |
| 00:26.10 | crashoverride | jess: doesn't ircd-seven support shadowbanning? |
| 00:26.11 | fsmithred | no, I'm not worried about that |
| 00:26.47 | jess | we don't technically support shadow banning because there's always a way for someone to work out if they're banned |
| 00:27.00 | crashoverride | a few years back, kaniini told me it did. |
| 00:27.09 | jess | https://freenode.net/news/shadowban-fix |
| 00:27.16 | crashoverride | was some weird a** option tho |
| 00:27.21 | crashoverride | and undocumented mode. |
| 00:27.36 | crashoverride | looks more documented than I remember :D |
| 00:27.58 | crashoverride | ah |
| 00:28.01 | crashoverride | yeah ok |
| 00:28.08 | crashoverride | yeah was around that time. |
| 00:28.21 | jess | there's a way to mute someone in such a way that they won't get an error when they try to talk, but they can still go look at the mute list to see if they're on it |
| 00:28.39 | jess | this is an ill-advised method of dealing with trolls, but i don't know this mike guy |
| 00:28.55 | crashoverride | yeah THAT was the one |
| 00:29.20 | crashoverride | well really, the best way to deal with trolls would be for everyone to share an ignore list |
| 00:29.26 | fsmithred | pm me that method and I'll put it in my notes |
| 00:29.30 | jess | that'd be a combination of +q nick!user@host and +z. the former stops them talking, the latter relaxes that a bit and instead sends all their messages to only the channel ops |
| 00:29.31 | crashoverride | :D |
| 00:29.40 | crashoverride | riiiight, +z |
| 00:30.02 | crashoverride | but +z is already set... |
| 00:30.06 | jess | the best way to deal with trolls is to make them stop talking |
| 00:30.24 | crashoverride | jess: so like, give them a proof of work to solve before they can talk? :D |
| 00:30.41 | jess | blockchains |
| 00:30.51 | crashoverride | yeah sorry, I'm actually researching on bitcoin tonight :D |
| 00:31.26 | crashoverride | was thinking about using "blockchain technology" to solve a problem I have, and I decided to look into it more seriously. |
| 00:31.48 | crashoverride | because I don't have the habit of using buzzwords to implement projects; but actual code. |
| 00:32.01 | crashoverride | (buzzwords, aka libraries) |
| 00:33.01 | crashoverride | but as it turns out, "blockchain technology" isn't much more than a linked list of hashes. |
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| 00:41.54 | jess | well it looks like i've picked a fight with this mikee person somewhere else anyway. |
| 00:42.25 | crashoverride | too bad I wasn't there to see it. |
| 00:42.59 | crashoverride | I could use the entertainment |
| 00:47.54 | crashoverride | man, this whisky is good. |
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| 00:50.51 | crashoverride | fsmithred: when you're back, I have a weird issue with the default devuan desktop (XFCE) |
| 00:51.19 | fsmithred | one minute |
| 00:51.22 | crashoverride | sure. |
| 00:51.42 | Xenguy | .oO( "For you Brad, I've got five!" : -) |
| 00:51.47 | crashoverride | :D |
| 00:51.53 | crashoverride | dude, please. |
| 00:51.59 | crashoverride | don't make me spill whisky on my new keyboard. |
| 00:52.05 | Xenguy | haha |
| 00:53.51 | fsmithred | ok |
| 00:54.04 | crashoverride | so |
| 00:54.19 | crashoverride | I am using two monitors, and my desk icons are on my second (as opposed to primary) monitor. |
| 00:54.25 | crashoverride | I don't know why, but that's not a problem much |
| 00:54.42 | crashoverride | the problem is, they are stuck at the BOTTOM left of the desktop instead of the top left. |
| 00:54.51 | crashoverride | and every time I try moving them |
| 00:55.04 | crashoverride | they screen blits to gray and the selection and drag is gone. |
| 00:55.24 | fsmithred | moving how? |
| 00:55.26 | crashoverride | also the blit happens when I move the mouse, and goes away when I relax the mouse button. |
| 00:55.29 | crashoverride | drag/drop |
| 00:56.03 | fsmithred | right click on panel, select Panel, Panel Preferences |
| 00:56.20 | crashoverride | there |
| 00:56.53 | fsmithred | wtf? Where's the selection for Top? |
| 00:57.02 | crashoverride | ? |
| 00:57.42 | crashoverride | what I can tell you tho, is that your intuition(?) is correct. |
| 00:57.59 | crashoverride | if I put the panel on the second monitor, the icons go where they should be. |
| 00:58.09 | crashoverride | but then, the panel is on the wrong monitor. |
| 00:58.10 | fsmithred | There's a way to move the panel from its default position on the bottom to the top |
| 00:58.15 | fsmithred | I always do it |
| 00:58.21 | fsmithred | and now I don't see how to do it |
| 00:58.38 | crashoverride | well, the panel is already on the top |
| 00:58.44 | crashoverride | I removed the bottom panel |
| 00:58.46 | crashoverride | never used it |
| 00:58.49 | fsmithred | try the Output dropdown |
| 00:58.55 | crashoverride | yeah |
| 00:59.02 | crashoverride | that's how I get the panel on the monitor 1. |
| 00:59.12 | crashoverride | (which is the "secondary monitor") |
| 00:59.27 | crashoverride | the primary monitor is "Monitor 2" |
| 00:59.35 | crashoverride | I know, foncusing. |
| 01:00.07 | fsmithred | that's almost as bad as... |
| 01:00.30 | fsmithred | you're on an island with two local tribes. One always tells the truth and one always lies... |
| 01:00.31 | crashoverride | say it! say it! say it! say it! \o/ |
| 01:00.50 | crashoverride | kill both tribes. |
| 01:00.53 | crashoverride | now you know the truth. |
| 01:01.00 | fsmithred | lol |
| 01:01.12 | crashoverride | ;) |
| 01:01.30 | fsmithred | use my patented method - kick it around until it does what you want |
| 01:01.43 | crashoverride | so, install dwm? ;D |
| 01:03.27 | crashoverride | okay so the new weapon from intel against amd is LN2... Nice. |
| 01:03.36 | crashoverride | 7Ghz reached. |
| 01:03.42 | fsmithred | wpw |
| 01:03.44 | fsmithred | wow |
| 01:03.57 | crashoverride | Not sure it can beat a 5950X but... who would know, it's weapon grade unobtainium... |
| 01:05.43 | crashoverride | https://twitter.com/TUM_APISAK/status/1375803183088300035 |
| 01:06.19 | crashoverride | "Just one core" tho. :D |
| 01:06.30 | crashoverride | but really, close to 1.9V |
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| 01:14.24 | gnarface | systemdlete: well, if you have the linux-image-[arch] metapackage installed it does. if you don't, then you have to remember that step yourself. |
| 01:14.51 | gnarface | systemdlete: (sorry i only scrolled back to where you flagged me. ignore this if you've already figured it out in the interim) |
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| 04:41.17 | b00b | pkgmaster.devuan.org is down since some hours |
| 05:27.15 | golinux | b00b: It's up now here |
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| 07:46.14 | Aconcagua | Good morning/afternoon/evening. |
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| 07:58.49 | Aconcagua | Having trouble setting up a windows guest's internet in qemu VM. According to documentation (https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMU/Networking#User_mode_networking), should be fine with -net user, getting ip address and dns server set up appropriately. Can ping host, too, am aware that pinging other servers outside is not supported. Can do nslookup, |
| 07:58.50 | Aconcagua | but calling address in browser window fails. Any hints? Command line: |
| 07:58.55 | Aconcagua | qemu-system-i386 -enable-kvm -m 4096 -k de -vga std -netdev user,id=net0,restrict=off,tftp=/home/sandro/public -device pcnet,netdev=net0 -soundhw ac97 -cdrom /dev/cdrom -boot d win32.hdd |
| 07:59.52 | Aconcagua | Sorry - boot is c after setup (reinstalled machine right now). |
| 08:02.57 | Aconcagua | Any one here? Only can see my own messages and messages about users leaving/entering the chat room. If a visibility problem at my side, would anyone be willing to exit and re-enter to notify me? |
| 08:04.11 | rm | hello |
| 08:04.20 | rm | it's just quiet at the channel so nothing else is happening |
| 08:04.48 | Aconcagua | I see. Thank you for notifying. |
| 08:05.15 | rm | what do you mean "pinging other servers outside is not supported"? |
| 08:05.23 | Aconcagua | At least it's good to know that there's no technical problem... |
| 08:05.41 | rm | ping should work to the outside (Internet) as well |
| 08:06.34 | rm | if it doesn't, then you don't have a complete network setup yet |
| 08:06.35 | Aconcagua | All the forums I searched so far tell there's no ICMP support. |
| 08:07.35 | Aconcagua | And found it in documentation above, too: *'It also doesn't support protocols other than TCP and UDP - so, for example, ping and other ICMP utilities won't work. '* |
| 08:08.01 | rm | oh, I see, never used the user mode networking in QEMU |
| 08:08.03 | Aconcagua | Err... Didn't want to have it bold, italic instead. |
| 08:08.04 | rm | https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking#User_Networking_.28SLIRP.29 |
| 08:08.10 | rm | still says it can be made to work |
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| 08:10.12 | Aconcagua | With command line above I assumed it should work out of the box. Cannot find any options that are yet missing. Would I have to add current user to some linux group on host to make it working? |
| 08:10.46 | rm | I mean ping could be made to work, but that's not essential |
| 08:11.16 | rm | just TCP/IP networking should work out of the box indeed |
| 08:11.22 | rm | sorry then, I've no idea why it doesn't |
| 08:11.33 | Aconcagua | Thank you anyway. |
| 08:11.34 | rm | try also asking on #qemu |
| 08:11.44 | Aconcagua | I'll do so... |
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| 08:18.16 | luzkero | hi, I'm creating a tool for automatize installation and configuration process of large deployments (like juju and maas for ubuntu) and after some test with alpine and other distros I'm considering to use devuan as BaseOs, I just want to check if this comunity is active. so hi all! |
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| 08:26.52 | Xenguy | luzkero, Please do feel free to idle. Devuan is activated : -) |
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| 08:38.22 | Aconcagua | How can I make freenode to re-send registration e-mail? It didn't arrive, and I need registration for accessing qemu channel. |
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| 09:12.51 | user1041 | hi |
| 09:12.58 | user1041 | After installing Devuan_Beowulf_3.1.1_amd64_netinstall.iso, I did not choose the XFCE installation, but the packages all appeared in System. |
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| 11:41.31 | pandakekok9 | Hi, is the experimental distribution of Devuan really 404'd or is it a bug? |
| 11:41.42 | pandakekok9 | I can't pull packages from experimental using apt for some reason |
| 11:42.01 | pandakekok9 | Looking at http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/, I can't see experimental |
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| 11:48.14 | xinomilo | there is no experimental in devuan, use debian repos for that.. |
| 11:49.22 | gnarface | though i wouldn't recommend it honestly |
| 11:49.48 | gnarface | stuff in experimental is usually there because it's quite broken |
| 11:51.51 | pandakekok9 | xinomilo: but I uploaded a package for experimental, so users wouldn't be able to access it from apt |
| 11:53.15 | gnarface | i think there's a good argument for having the same redirects work for experimental that work for all the other unforked packages, but i don't know how much work that is |
| 11:53.39 | xinomilo | i don't really understand, if you want devuan users to access some package from debian, use unstable.. |
| 11:53.40 | gnarface | the thing is, experimental *only* has unforked packages anyway... |
| 11:54.33 | gnarface | and not with their own dependencies... so it would matter very little if you just used the debian repos directly |
| 11:54.44 | gnarface | which isn't to say that it's a good idea |
| 11:54.59 | fsmithred | there is an experimental repo in devuan, but there's not much in it |
| 11:55.24 | fsmithred | and it's a /devuan not /merged |
| 11:55.42 | gnarface | good to know, fsmithred |
| 11:55.45 | fsmithred | new packages (not from debian) are supposed to go there |
| 11:55.59 | pandakekok9 | Thanks fsmithred :) |
| 11:56.09 | xinomilo | aha, good to know, thx :) |
| 11:56.19 | fsmithred | run ceres if you want the latest |
| 11:56.47 | pandakekok9 | Can confirm via apt-cache policy that version 1.13-1+devuan1 of iwd exists |
| 11:56.54 | fsmithred | right now it's not much different from chimaera (testing) because bullseye has gone into freeze |
| 11:57.29 | fsmithred | I see 1.12 but I haven't updated in two days |
| 11:57.54 | xinomilo | 1.12 in ceres |
| 11:57.57 | rrq | pandakekok9: use "deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan experimental main" |
| 11:58.06 | pandakekok9 | 1.12 should exist in ceres and chimaera |
| 11:58.14 | fsmithred | it does |
| 11:58.18 | pandakekok9 | rrq: fsmithred already said that, thanks :) |
| 11:58.46 | pandakekok9 | I just had to use "devuan" instead of "merged" |
| 11:59.06 | fsmithred | ok 1.13 is in exp |
| 11:59.37 | fsmithred | same version is in debian exp |
| 11:59.42 | fsmithred | well... |
| 11:59.45 | pandakekok9 | Just in case some asks me why the new release is in experimental, I was following Debian upstream |
| 11:59.48 | fsmithred | the undevuanized version |
| 12:00.11 | fsmithred | any idea why they put it there? |
| 12:00.43 | pandakekok9 | idk, maybe they haven't reviewed the new release in the same level as 1.12 yet |
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| 12:06.03 | xinomilo | sometimes new major software versions are first evaluated in experimental. |
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| 12:14.55 | pandakekok9 | Btw, if I want to upload an experimental package to unstable without changing the version, how do I do it? Open an issue with label "unstable" and assign Releasebot? |
| 12:15.31 | pandakekok9 | I will also have to merge the suites/experimental branch to suites/unstable first, right? |
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| 12:28.03 | fsmithred | pandakekok9, I don't think you can build the same version twice. It might need a new version or it might just need to be moved on the server. |
| 12:28.30 | fsmithred | and yes, I would merge first |
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| 12:28.42 | fsmithred | if building |
| 12:29.20 | pandakekok9 | Ok, so if I don't build, I will just have to file a bug and you guys will copy the version to ceres? |
| 12:32.17 | fsmithred | not sure if a bug report is best. In the past I've just talked to leepen. It's not something that happens often. |
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| 12:38.22 | fsmithred | pandakekok9, LeePen says it can probably just be moved on dak, but we should wait so we aren't ahead of debian. |
| 12:39.03 | pandakekok9 | Ok. I will of course wait for Debian upstream to move their 1.13 to their unstable before I ask. |
| 12:39.07 | pandakekok9 | Thanks |
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| 15:51.45 | Xenguy | I am looking for recommendations for good chess software (currently running Beowulf). I want a simple chess interface (if the pieces were shown 3D, that might be even better) that I can use to play through the games of some chess masters... |
| 15:52.24 | Xenguy | If anyone has some chess software they really enjoy, I'd love to give it a test drive here. |
| 15:53.27 | Bronzu | check out pychess |
| 15:53.29 | Bronzu | I like it |
| 15:54.06 | Xenguy | Thanks Bronzu |
| 15:54.18 | Bronzu | np |
| 15:56.02 | furrymcgee | debtags cat game::board:chess |
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| 16:05.41 | Xenguy | furrymcgee, Had to install debtags, but that output is pretty interesting |
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| 19:53.49 | tuxd3v | hello, does anybody here tested Lumina Desktop? |
| 19:56.03 | fsmithred | tuxd3v, I did test it once. I think it's gone. |
| 19:57.37 | tuxd3v | they are making a come back , and already are availlable in a lot of distros.. |
| 19:57.52 | tuxd3v | I didn't tested it yet, it seems to be in heavy building.. |
| 20:00.08 | fsmithred | yeah, I checked and that VM is gone |
| 20:02.19 | fsmithred | but I do still have deb packages. :) Need one? |
| 20:03.21 | tuxd3v | well, I was thinking of it as an alternative to gnome3 |
| 20:03.45 | tuxd3v | I don't know how much ram consumtion it has, but they say its fast.. |
| 20:04.32 | fsmithred | lol, it's nothing at all like gnome3 |
| 20:05.13 | fsmithred | 241.1MB according to ps_mem.py |
| 20:05.18 | fsmithred | I took a screenshot |
| 20:05.42 | tuxd3v | that it nice, and the usability?what do you think? |
| 20:06.12 | fsmithred | I don't remember. I think it was similar to jwm or icewm |
| 20:06.57 | fsmithred | it has a panel with a menu, network icon, time, |
| 20:07.39 | fsmithred | the deb packages have mx19+1 in the file name, so I'm guessing it came from mxlinux |
| 20:08.34 | fsmithred | oh, I guess it's more like fluxbox, since that seems to be running. |
| 20:10.20 | fsmithred | 40MB just for wicd |
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| 20:15.19 | tuxd3v | o.0 |
| 20:15.31 | mason | ifupdown uber alles |
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| 20:16.21 | tuxd3v | I believe simple-netaid is a good substitute, no? |
| 20:16.36 | fsmithred | yeah, it's pretty good |
| 20:16.52 | fsmithred | ceni is pretty good, too |
| 20:17.05 | fsmithred | setnet.sh also works |
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| 20:25.57 | inle | hello my beautiful lovelies. Can somebody tell me the command to shutdown my (xfce) system? I downloaded and installed the live version Devuan Beowulf. I searched from 'start' and 'off' and 'power' and 'down' using grep and ls (on /usr/bin), but nothing came up. So I assume there are no such commands. |
| 20:26.24 | inle | s/searched from/searched for/ |
| 20:27.55 | tuxd3v | fsmithred, yeah its also the idea I have about tools for network :) |
| 20:28.32 | fsmithred | inle, try 'sudo halt' |
| 20:28.39 | fsmithred | oh |
| 20:28.44 | fsmithred | as root, 'halt' |
| 20:29.04 | fsmithred | use 'su -' to get root. Why can't you shut down from the apps menu? |
| 20:29.06 | inle | yeap, that did it, thank you. |
| 20:29.36 | fsmithred | you got hit with the path problem? |
| 20:29.37 | inle | I was just confused cause when I search for 'halt' nothing came up. also, autocomplete (TAB) didn't "show" me the command. |
| 20:29.40 | rm | there's the Log Out -> Power off option in the menu |
| 20:29.57 | inle | Sorry guys, I'm a noob. And thanks :] |
| 20:30.07 | fsmithred | The behavior of su changed. See the release notes to change it back. |
| 20:30.43 | inle | fsmithred & rm: I didn't want to use the menu buttons. |
| 20:31.01 | fsmithred | you don't have to apologize for being new. And you got stumped by the same thing that has stumped some seasoned users and sysadmins. |
| 20:31.17 | inle | hehe that's good to know, fsmithred. maybe... :P |
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| 20:31.51 | inle | anyway, i've never used debian but I freaking love devuan. i'll be using it for sure. |
| 20:32.14 | inle | i installed it for a quick 10 minutes but I've been using it for an hour. |
| 20:32.48 | fsmithred | you used some other linux before? |
| 20:33.33 | inle | yes, i've used ubuntu and arch, fsmithred |
| 20:34.44 | inle | i went through the trouble of uploading a pic, so here it is (it's irrelevant, my question got answered): https://i.imgur.com/v5yPZjv.png |
| 20:36.53 | tuxd3v | I believe lumina is present in debian right? |
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| 20:52.59 | eyalroz | Hello fellow Devuaners, |
| 20:53.07 | eyalroz | A couple of questions: |
| 20:53.27 | eyalroz | 1. Where do I get install CDs for Chimaera? |
| 20:53.36 | eyalroz | 2. How usable is it, at the moment? |
| 20:54.34 | eyalroz | https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ says there are over 1,600 release-critical bullseye bugs... |
| 20:57.59 | ShorTie | oh my, now what ?? |
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| 20:59.36 | golinux | eyalroz: There are no officlal install cds for devuan. I think fsmithred has some experimental refracta isos if I can find the link. |
| 20:59.54 | golinux | Er . . . for chimaera |
| 21:00.02 | fsmithred | there are a few alpha isos for chimaera |
| 21:00.07 | fsmithred | if I can find the link |
| 21:00.22 | fsmithred | I have refracta no-X chimaera isos |
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| 21:00.46 | sgage | All I can say is that I have been using Chimaera for months |
| 21:00.51 | sgage | without any problems |
| 21:01.08 | sgage | I use the MATE desktop. |
| 21:01.10 | golinux | https://get.refracta.org/ |
| 21:01.20 | fsmithred | I've got it on a thinkpad and it seems to be fine. I don't do a lot of stuff with it. |
| 21:01.37 | golinux | Otherwise install beowulf and upgrade to chimaera. |
| 21:04.36 | eyalroz | golinux: So, I guess the way to do it is installing beowulf, editing the apt sources and dist-upgrading? |
| 21:04.58 | golinux | Yes, using chimaera |
| 21:05.00 | eyalroz | fsmithred: I'd rather not try non-vanilla flavors |
| 21:05.08 | eyalroz | but thanks :-) |
| 21:05.40 | golinux | Don't use "testing" in sources |
| 21:05.56 | fsmithred | eyalroz, I looked at the bug list. I see apache2. I just installed it and it works. It's on the chimaera laptop behind me, and I can access it in my web browser. |
| 21:05.58 | eyalroz | golinux: right, got it. |
| 21:06.10 | golinux | You probably already know that. Just want to make sure |
| 21:06.11 | sgage | I've never had a problem dist-upgrading from Beowulf to Chimaera |
| 21:06.54 | sgage | done it a bunch of times over the past months |
| 21:06.59 | golinux | eyalroz: Now you know who to ping if you get stuck. :D |
| 21:07.16 | eyalroz | golinux: Yeah :-) |
| 21:07.35 | eyalroz | I just wanted to make sure there isn't any known severe bustage |
| 21:07.51 | fsmithred | next one I see on the list: arp-scan doesn't return any results. Well, it does for me. Maybe some of these bugs are only in debian and they work fine in devuan. |
| 21:07.59 | fsmithred | that would be pretty funny. |
| 21:08.00 | sgage | But golinux, how could I help when it always just worked for me? :-) |
| 21:08.09 | sgage | don't learn nuthin that way :-) |
| 21:08.34 | fsmithred | I've done a bunch of upgrades, too. They go well. |
| 21:09.01 | eyalroz | last week the nemo people put me through a small hell installing custom up-to-date library versions to be able to file a bug against nemo (as they immediately close anything not filed against the latest release version or later) |
| 21:09.02 | golinux | sgage: True but you also keep up on the forum so could probably figure things about chimaera out |
| 21:09.02 | fsmithred | most of those are refracta, so there aren't a bunch of metapackages to get in the way |
| 21:09.30 | fsmithred | ouch |
| 21:09.36 | eyalroz | so I took that as a sign from the gods it might be time to make a clean install |
| 21:09.44 | eyalroz | of the next version |
| 21:09.51 | sgage | I would certainly try to help! |
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| 21:12.07 | eyalroz | fsmithred: Ouch is right. I fileed 3 bugs along the way about cryptic crashes before I actually got it to run... |
| 21:12.59 | eyalroz | But finally I filed https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo/issues/2708 and https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo/issues/2709 , in case you're interested. |
| 21:13.27 | eyalroz | or are you a MATE man like sgage? |
| 21:13.54 | eyalroz | mmm, actually man/woman/other-noun, |
| 21:14.04 | eyalroz | if I've accidentally mis-gendered. |
| 21:14.17 | fsmithred | xfce here |
| 21:14.28 | fsmithred | also sometimes openbox with lxpanel |
| 21:14.37 | fsmithred | male |
| 21:14.38 | fsmithred | lol |
| 21:15.26 | eyalroz | are XFCE apps based on glib? |
| 21:15.41 | fsmithred | I'm confused. Why did you file a bug report with mx if you're running beowulf? |
| 21:15.47 | fsmithred | mint, not mx |
| 21:16.06 | eyalroz | fsmithred: Because I use Cinnamon, and nemo is the file manager. |
| 21:16.06 | fsmithred | xfce is gtk |
| 21:16.19 | fsmithred | yeah, but doesn't it come from debian? |
| 21:16.29 | fsmithred | (it does) |
| 21:16.38 | eyalroz | fsmithred: But it's an upstream bug. |
| 21:16.52 | eyalroz | I mean, I was guessing (correctly) that it's an upstream bug. |
| 21:16.58 | fsmithred | and mint is the upstream? |
| 21:17.18 | eyalroz | nemo as an app is developed by the mint people, yes. |
| 21:17.27 | fsmithred | ok, makes sense now. Thanks. |
| 21:17.30 | eyalroz | actually, all of Cinnamon. |
| 21:18.43 | eyalroz | I like mint; I would probably stay with it if they would have a Devuan-based variant. It was my home PC distro before Devuan. |
| 21:19.08 | fsmithred | couple people wrote instructions on making devuan-mint |
| 21:19.16 | fsmithred | apparently, it's not difficult |
| 21:19.28 | fsmithred | see forum for that |
| 21:19.36 | eyalroz | I might look at it. |
| 21:20.03 | eyalroz | But, you know, making Devuan from Debian should not have been that difficult either |
| 21:21.36 | eyalroz | I have enough FOSS plumbing work on my plate as it is... with two Thunderbird extensions and doing most of the QA work on LibreOffice RTL-language issues. |
| 21:22.12 | fsmithred | oh, I see why you're hesitant to step into a testing suite |
| 21:29.38 | fsmithred | eyalroz, seems like a lot of those rc bugs are fixed or are not bugs. |
| 21:30.17 | eyalroz | fsmithred: good to know |
| 21:30.17 | fsmithred | "libc6: cannot upgrade to libc6_2.31-10" Well, that's the version I'm using in chimaera. I had no trouble with upgrades. |
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| 21:32.18 | eyalroz | Anyway, if XFCE is based on gtk, then one of the bugs are linked to are relevant more generally: An exFAT support bug in glib w.r.t. characters not supported by exFAT (e.g. pipe, colon). |
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| 21:32.53 | fsmithred | I take it back. That's not the version of libc6 I'm using. |
| 21:32.56 | fsmithred | upgrading now |
| 21:33.22 | fsmithred | oh, those are important characters |
| 21:35.17 | fsmithred | *** 2.31-10 |
| 21:35.23 | fsmithred | no problem |
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| 22:10.21 | golinux | <eyalroz> But, you know, making Devuan from Debian should not have been that difficult either |
| 22:11.22 | golinux | That is somewhat insulting to our significant efforts of over 6 years. |
| 22:11.34 | golinux | Actually more than somewhat . . . |
| 22:14.41 | ranix | can't just migrate to a different init, it's kind of invasive |
| 22:15.42 | fluffywolf | that init is invasive is why we exist. heh. |
| 22:15.52 | fluffywolf | "init" and "invasive" shouldn't be in the same sentence. |
| 22:16.06 | ranix | lennart poettering sperging about devuan on twitter again |
| 22:18.01 | eyalroz | golinux: I said "should", I didn't say it was |
| 22:19.07 | eyalroz | golinux: If anything, it's an insult against Debian for making it so difficult, while their official decisison was merely making systemd the default, not something you couldn't get rid of. |
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