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| 00:38.43 | mexon | Hi Folks, I know the general answer to this is 'when its ready' which is completely understandable but I'm looking for a general approximation of when Devuan's current testing branch will move to stable, given that Debian 11 is pretty close at this point |
| 00:39.44 | ShorTie | i'd say give it a month or 2 after debian stabilizes |
| 00:40.18 | mexon | Fair enough, excellent, appreciate it. |
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| 03:45.06 | systemdlete | error during dist-upgrade from ascii to beowulf in eudev: https://paste.debian.net/1191923 |
| 03:45.49 | systemdlete | I've run --fix-missing but after applying additional upgrades (ones that got missed due to the breakage), the same error comes back. |
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| 04:08.18 | lts- | systemdlete: I've used https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf successfully, and that states "[apt-get install evdev] The last command is known to cause package breaks but we will fix this as part of the migration process" and then instructs to run "apt-get -f install". I haven't had issues with that. |
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| 04:09.14 | lts- | i.e. --fix-broken |
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| 04:20.19 | gnarface | systemdlete: do you have a custom kernel or a very old one or one from a different distro or something? |
| 04:20.40 | gnarface | systemdlete: i haven't seen this error but it's the type of thing i'd expect to see if you had compiled the kernel without inotify |
| 04:21.16 | gnarface | or like, maybe if you forgot to upgrade the kernel to the current release |
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| 04:35.12 | pandakekok9 | Hi, can anyone look as to why my build of iwd for experimental is stalling? https://jenkins.devuan.dev/job/devuan-package-builder/499/console |
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| 05:47.49 | rrq | pandakekok9: seems to be something lost in the final handshake w i386-builder |
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| 05:59.47 | rrq | looking ... |
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| 07:44.24 | gnu_srs | systemdlete: The comment about buster-to-beowulf is wrong. eudev is installed by a package udev depending on eudev. You should not need to force the install. |
| 07:46.02 | gnu_srs | Anybody know hos to update that page? |
| 07:46.15 | gnu_srs | how** |
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| 09:20.54 | Xenguy | gnu_srs, Yes, there has been discussion of that page recently... |
| 09:21.38 | Xenguy | But what to correct exactly is always the question : -) |
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| 10:39.07 | gnu_srs | Xenguy: Regarding eudev this should be sufficient: Upgrade to eudev is made by the transitional package udev. No special measures are needed. |
| 10:40.42 | gnu_srs | So all text surrounding apt-get install eudev and apt-get -f install can be removed. Replaced with the text above. |
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| 17:47.10 | Xenguy | Thanks for that gnu_srs . Will capture that idea and run it by a few people. |
| 17:47.10 | infobot | Xenguy: pas de quoi |
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| 18:39.16 | fsmithred | wtf? the bot now initiates conversation? |
| 18:40.08 | sixwheeledbeast | ~botsnack |
| 18:40.23 | crashoverride | in french, too |
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| 18:52.46 | ibanja | I have upgraded several systems to beowulf. Most kept my apt-mark holds, but one did not. |
| 18:53.06 | ibanja | Is there a way to downgrade and keep those old versions? |
| 18:53.26 | ibanja | It is important for compatibility reasons. |
| 18:54.09 | plasma41 | ibanja: Downgrade an individual package or the whole system? |
| 18:54.22 | ibanja | an individual package |
| 18:55.15 | plasma41 | ibanja: That's often doable. Which package? |
| 18:55.22 | ibanja | I am thinking a better option would be a user installed version of the package. |
| 18:55.44 | ibanja | the two important packages are keepassx and lyx |
| 18:56.46 | plasma41 | ibanja: You're wanting to continue using the ascii versions of those packages, correct? |
| 18:56.52 | ibanja | yes |
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| 18:58.09 | plasma41 | ibanja: Ok, let me check the dependencies for those packages. One moment |
| 18:58.54 | crashoverride | :q |
| 18:58.57 | crashoverride | oops |
| 19:00.27 | ibanja | plasma41: thanks... I am also wondering if using NIXos packaging or other universal packaging system such as flatpack would be the best option, but I have no experience and don't want to trash my system. |
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| 19:05.24 | plasma41 | ibanja: The changelog for keepassx indicates that the ascii version (2.0.3-1) and beowulf version (2.0.3-2) differ only in terms of minor tweak to the debian packaging, but are otherwise the same upstream version (2.0.3). (Source: https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/k/keepassx/changelog-2.0.3-2) Is there a change affecting you that is not mentioned in the changelog? |
| 19:06.59 | ibanja | WOW... I must be using pre-ascii... sorry for the missinfo... (Installed: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1+deb8u1 ---- Candidate: 2.0.3-2) |
| 19:07.40 | ibanja | the problem is some old keepassx databases... and they are shared via nextcloud.... |
| 19:09.12 | ibanja | I think it's time to let the straglers upgrade or have a second install to deal with the problem.... OR user install an older version if that is even possible. |
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| 19:09.25 | plasma41 | ibanja: Ok, that version of keepassx is from jessie. |
| 19:09.31 | ibanja | yes |
| 19:11.25 | ibanja | I could try to cull together the dependencies and put them into my local repo, but I wonder if this is getting a bit silly... |
| 19:11.27 | ibanja | ??? |
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| 19:15.54 | plasma41 | ibanja: Looking at the build dependencies for the jessie version of keepassx (https://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20151208T035513Z/pool/main/k/keepassx/keepassx_0.4.3%2Bdfsg-0.1%2Bdeb8u1.dsc) I see that Qt4 is required. Unfortunately Qt4 is not included in Beowulf so you would need to manually pull in all the Qt4 dependencies. Simply re-installing the old keepassx deb file wouldn't be enough. |
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| 19:16.40 | ibanja | plasma41: I see... |
| 19:16.43 | ibanja | plasma41: Thanks... I have a solution now... the computers that can't upgrade are stuck in version because of legacy software... so let's put them into a VM and let the host os handle the upgraded programs |
| 19:17.22 | ibanja | I think that would work. |
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| 19:19.45 | ibanja | plasma41: appreciate the helpful input... |
| 19:20.34 | plasma41 | ibanja: As for lyx, while the ascii binary depends on older ascii versions of some dependencies, namely libboost, I believe a simple recompile of the older version atop beowulf should provide a usable binary. |
| 19:21.54 | ibanja | plasma41: lyx... that would be very helpful. I will look into that. Thanks |
| 19:22.25 | plasma41 | ibanja: Happy to help |
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| 19:41.00 | systemdlete | gnarface: I was following the official instructions at debian.org to upgrade to beowulf. |
| 19:42.10 | systemdlete | Also, mine is ascii-to-beowulf, not buster-to-beowulf. I suspect that buster already has a "base" load of software that is more compatible with beowulf than ascii. |
| 19:43.13 | systemdlete | So if upgrading the kernel is a necessary step, then that should be a dependency that the upgrade finds automatically. If a reboot is necessary, that should be clear from the procedure. |
| 19:44.00 | systemdlete | I have whatever the latest stock kernel is from the ascii repo. I think it is 4.19.0 |
| 19:48.00 | fsmithred | upgrade kernel is not required |
| 19:48.21 | systemdlete | I am unable to use my laptop in its current condition. |
| 19:48.57 | systemdlete | It fails, the same way, every time I try to finish the upgrade. There is plenty of disk space. |
| 19:49.24 | fsmithred | I've never seen that error before |
| 19:49.25 | systemdlete | I am even using ethernet rather than wireless to speed things up. |
| 19:49.38 | fsmithred | did you verify that those things are in your kernel? |
| 19:49.52 | systemdlete | Again, I am using whatever stock kernel is in the repo |
| 19:49.53 | fsmithred | grep INOTIFY /boot/config-whatever |
| 19:49.55 | systemdlete | 4.19.0 |
| 19:50.00 | fsmithred | that's nice |
| 19:50.10 | systemdlete | is that no good? |
| 19:50.12 | fsmithred | did you verify that those things are really in it? |
| 19:50.18 | fsmithred | it should be good |
| 19:50.20 | fsmithred | prove it |
| 19:50.45 | fsmithred | not necessarily to me, but to yourself |
| 19:50.50 | systemdlete | A stock kernel that is not compatible with stock packages? Odd. |
| 19:50.59 | fsmithred | would be very odd |
| 19:51.07 | fsmithred | you can take it on faith or you can verify |
| 19:52.26 | systemdlete | It says CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y |
| 19:52.55 | fsmithred | yeah, so does mine |
| 19:55.08 | systemdlete | scratches his head |
| 19:55.23 | fsmithred | that error message is coming from the preinst script |
| 19:56.39 | fsmithred | egrep -q "^[a-fA-F0-9]+ T \.?sys_${symbol}$" /proc/kallsyms |
| 19:56.47 | fsmithred | that's in the failing test |
| 19:57.38 | systemdlete | listens as fsmithred steps through debugging the failing package... |
| 19:58.06 | fsmithred | can you boot a live-usb and chroot the system? |
| 19:58.16 | fsmithred | or boot to single-user? |
| 19:58.25 | systemdlete | If you know of a way to work around this, maybe we can run apt-get with some magic options |
| 19:58.47 | fsmithred | not magic options. Just comment out the test. |
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| 19:59.23 | systemdlete | How does one "comment out the test" without building a custom package? |
| 20:00.26 | systemdlete | Or will building a custom package be relatively straightforward? |
| 20:01.26 | fsmithred | nano /var/lib/dpkg/info/eudev.preinst |
| 20:01.52 | systemdlete | won't that get overridden when I attempt the install again? |
| 20:02.06 | systemdlete | or does it pick up where it left off? |
| 20:02.18 | systemdlete | (I'm not very familiar with this, if you can't tell) |
| 20:02.46 | fsmithred | you might get away with dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:03.02 | fsmithred | or even upgrade might not download it again |
| 20:03.09 | fsmithred | I'm not certain |
| 20:03.14 | fsmithred | anyway |
| 20:03.23 | fsmithred | nano +33 <that file> |
| 20:03.31 | fsmithred | and you'll be on a line that says 'exit 1' |
| 20:03.43 | fsmithred | preced that with # |
| 20:03.47 | fsmithred | precede |
| 20:03.57 | systemdlete | Yes, I know how to comment it out. |
| 20:04.03 | systemdlete | And how to use vi. |
| 20:04.09 | systemdlete | (I don't use nano) |
| 20:04.16 | fsmithred | you'll still see the error messge go by, but it won't dump you out |
| 20:04.21 | fsmithred | fine |
| 20:04.24 | systemdlete | ok |
| 20:05.31 | fsmithred | the exit is right after the list of kernel features |
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| 20:06.06 | systemdlete | I don't see that line in the preinst file |
| 20:06.29 | systemdlete | You are saying line 33? |
| 20:06.42 | systemdlete | (I'm guessing that is what you meant with +33) |
| 20:06.44 | fsmithred | yeah, you should see the error message you got |
| 20:06.51 | systemdlete | nope |
| 20:06.57 | fsmithred | near the top of the script |
| 20:06.58 | systemdlete | Are we really talking about the same package |
| 20:07.04 | systemdlete | and script? |
| 20:07.05 | fsmithred | you must be looking at the older one |
| 20:07.06 | fsmithred | eudev |
| 20:07.48 | fsmithred | second function is called check_kernel_features |
| 20:07.50 | systemdlete | soooo... the upgrade somehow downloaded the wrong package? |
| 20:08.04 | fsmithred | no, you're probably looking at the ascii version |
| 20:08.39 | fsmithred | # Hack to get the dpkg process' PID despite using debconf |
| 20:08.48 | fsmithred | ^^^ see that at the top? |
| 20:08.55 | systemdlete | why would it be doing that -- this is an upgrade to beowulf, and the packages should be coming from beowulf since the sources file was set -- by me -- to the beowulf repos. |
| 20:09.11 | fsmithred | I thought it was an upgrade FROM ascii |
| 20:09.36 | fsmithred | see the line I just posted from the ascii version? Is that what you have? |
| 20:09.39 | systemdlete | Yes |
| 20:09.46 | systemdlete | It IS an upgrade from ascii to beowulf |
| 20:10.06 | fsmithred | so anything that didn't get replaced by the beowulf version should be the ascii version |
| 20:14.28 | systemdlete | right. so why is it upgrading eudev if it is already at the ascii version? If beowulf has a newer eudev package, it should have downloaded it. |
| 20:14.43 | systemdlete | Sorry, this is still not making sense. |
| 20:14.59 | systemdlete | I don't see any "exit 1" in the eudev.preinst file |
| 20:15.08 | fsmithred | because we are not looking at the same file |
| 20:15.26 | systemdlete | I am looking at the precise path you gave above |
| 20:15.39 | fsmithred | omg, you have ascii, I have beowulf |
| 20:15.40 | systemdlete | Maybe I misunderstnad |
| 20:15.46 | systemdlete | no kidding |
| 20:15.49 | systemdlete | LOL |
| 20:16.20 | fsmithred | the two different versions do not have the same preinst file |
| 20:16.28 | systemdlete | no surprise there... |
| 20:16.30 | systemdlete | so? |
| 20:16.35 | fsmithred | I don't know why the upgrade failed for you |
| 20:16.46 | systemdlete | Right. I think that part I get. Completely. |
| 20:16.51 | systemdlete | :D |
| 20:17.32 | systemdlete | were you being sarcastic when you said "omg, ..." ? |
| 20:18.05 | systemdlete | or did you really just realize that we were on different releases? |
| 20:18.23 | fsmithred | no, but you keep asking why our files are not the same |
| 20:18.29 | systemdlete | (peoples' tones are hard to detect on chat) |
| 20:18.37 | systemdlete | I did not ask, actually. |
| 20:18.46 | systemdlete | I expect that they would be different, by default. |
| 20:19.16 | systemdlete | esp. for a package like eudev, being the pandoras box it is |
| 20:20.26 | systemdlete | fsmithred: I'm still trying to find the webpage that I am using to do the upgrade |
| 20:20.55 | fsmithred | should be on devuan.org |
| 20:21.24 | fsmithred | devuan.org/os/install |
| 20:21.26 | systemdlete | it is. All I recall is that it said to modify the sources file, then run update and then release-upgrade (something like that) |
| 20:21.40 | systemdlete | not that page, no |
| 20:22.17 | fsmithred | change sources, apt update, apt dist-upgrade is what I usually do |
| 20:22.25 | systemdlete | right |
| 20:22.27 | systemdlete | that was it |
| 20:22.58 | systemdlete | and it broke, exactly as we have been sorting this out |
| 20:24.07 | fsmithred | oh there are a couple of extra instructions: kill xscreensaver, force-downgrade upower |
| 20:24.23 | fsmithred | repeat dist-upgrade, apt -f install |
| 20:24.34 | fsmithred | not necessarily in that order |
| 20:24.46 | fsmithred | and I don't think any of those things would affect your error |
| 20:24.53 | fsmithred | anyway, I have to go |
| 20:24.55 | systemdlete | (they don't) |
| 20:24.59 | systemdlete | thanks for your help |
| 20:25.40 | systemdlete | is left with a broken system just by following official debian instructions for performing a release upgrade. Go figure, right? |
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| 20:35.05 | sadsnork | ibanja, I am successfully using keepass 0.4.3 on Beowulf by (1) "apt-get install --no-install-recommends libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4" (2) dpkg -i /path/keepass.deb (3) apt-mark hold keepassx |
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| 20:39.46 | gnu_srs | systemdlete: Did you follow the Devuan instructions for an upgrade? I assume you did not mean Debian! |
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| 20:51.44 | systemdlete | I went to debian because I thought that the upgrades would be the same |
| 20:51.47 | systemdlete | uh-oh? |
| 20:52.17 | systemdlete | But it sounds, from what fsmithred was saying, that the same instructions apply |
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| 21:06.22 | xrogaan | Is this ... an April fool? https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/underscore |
| 21:07.04 | xrogaan | oh, no, it's real. It's a node package. |
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| 21:55.20 | DPA | I've now for the first time installed chimaera on a normal laptop (using debootstrap). The keyboard-configuration package doesn't seam to work anymore. And OMG, xfce now looks awful, the CSD, the icons, etc... |
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| 22:00.35 | Unit193 | DPA: 1. xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/DialogsUseHeader -s false 2. https://github.com/Xfce-Classic/libxfce4ui-nocsd |
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| 22:01.17 | Unit193 | I also have a "fix" for the icons, but that's perhaps a little less acceptable here. Oh, and use a git snapshot of elementary-xfce-icon-theme. |
| 22:04.51 | golinux | When chimaera is released it will look the best it possibly can. But yeah, I hear the default gtk-3 Xfce will gouge your eyes out. |
| 22:05.06 | golinux | Fugly . . . |
| 22:06.25 | fsmithred | it's not the desktop icons that are bad, it's the icons inside the xfce apps, like the settings manager |
| 22:06.36 | fsmithred | the ones you can't change |
| 22:08.19 | rwp | DPA, Since you used debootstrap to install it means that you get complete control of everything. But perhaps not enough is installed? |
| 22:08.58 | rwp | How did you install XFCE? Did you install task-xfce-desktop ? And was that with or without recommends? |
| 22:09.53 | rwp | It would be useful to run this and look at the Recommends and see if perhaps one of them would be useful: apt-cache show task-xfce-desktop | grep -e Depends: -e Recommends: |
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| 22:11.32 | Unit193 | fsmithred: Perhaps, but honestly with elementary the icons aren't too bad. Maybe we're not seeing the same things, I guess? |
| 22:12.04 | Unit193 | fsmithred: https://imgur.com/Y826gtp.png |
| 22:12.05 | fsmithred | what is elementary? |
| 22:13.47 | fsmithred | yup. That's the same icon set. They look a little brighter in the actual app. |
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| 22:19.20 | Unit193 | Fair enough. With CSDs gone, I'm not really going to object too strongly to a few icons. I restored some of the symlink ones (== terminal), so the rest are fine where they are. |
| 22:20.02 | fsmithred | what are "the symlink ones"? |
| 22:20.31 | fsmithred | you edited .desktop files? |
| 22:21.48 | DPA | Unit193: Thanks, I'll try that. |
| 22:21.48 | DPA | rwp: Yes, I installed it using task-xfce-desktop. |
| 22:22.07 | Unit193 | fsmithred: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.16/icons_rdns_naming_for_icons |
| 22:31.56 | fsmithred | that's a lot of symlinks to mess with |
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| 22:33.51 | Unit193 | Can I link you to a package source in PM? |
| 22:34.43 | fsmithred | yes |
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| 22:58.23 | ibanja | sadsnork: Yes... That worked... THANKS! |
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| 23:18.36 | crashoverride | I am sad |
| 23:18.59 | crashoverride | I never paid much attention to bitcoin because I always thought it was a pile of doo |
| 23:19.09 | crashoverride | both in the way it was presented |
| 23:19.12 | crashoverride | and in the claims |
| 23:19.59 | crashoverride | (fast transactions, low processing fees... yeah, no) |
| 23:20.33 | crashoverride | but now that I am looking at it, a lot could have been more obvious to me. |
| 23:20.44 | crashoverride | for instance, the fact that it clearly is of German origin. |
| 23:21.14 | crashoverride | the white paper mentions "Electronic Cash" in the very first sentence of the paper. |
| 23:21.41 | crashoverride | Words 8 and 9, if you don't count the word "Abstract." |
| 23:21.52 | crashoverride | also, the mail address is using gmx.com. |
| 23:22.07 | crashoverride | gmx is a very famous german mail provider, and isn't much known outside of Germany. |
| 23:23.47 | crashoverride | Also, the word "Abstract." in the paper is, I think, a Germanism, as it is normally a header, and if not, followed by a colon. |
| 23:29.11 | DHE | I feel like you're a number of years late to the party |
| 23:29.37 | crashoverride | I actually was really early to the party, back in 2012 |
| 23:29.45 | crashoverride | and went "meh, that's a load of bs" |
| 23:29.50 | crashoverride | still think it is, fwiw. |
| 23:30.07 | crashoverride | but what's not BS is finding out who invented it. |
| 23:30.19 | DHE | you know what channel this is, right? |
| 23:30.33 | crashoverride | and you feel like I'm obfuscating valuable trafic? |
| 23:30.37 | crashoverride | traffic* |
| 23:30.54 | crashoverride | I mean, fine, I can also write to #devuan-offtopic |
| 23:33.41 | crashoverride | DHE: I like how you just opened your mouth just for the sake of it. |
| 23:33.52 | crashoverride | you could have ignored me, but, noooo. |
| 23:37.36 | sadsnork | Awesome, glad that worked ibanja :-) |
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| 23:50.00 | asuekm | hi |
| 23:50.13 | mikeeusa | https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ |
| 23:50.18 | mikeeusa | sign the RMS support letter |
| 23:50.51 | mikeeusa | RMS said things that could be interpreted as flowing forth from a desire to marry cute young girls |
| 23:51.06 | mikeeusa | (Which YHWH allows) |
| 23:51.12 | mikeeusa | Thus you should support him |
| 23:51.18 | crashoverride | yeah, might be better with a "hi" as first message, and "please consider signing" instead of "SIGN IT ALREADY you p*ece of s*it!" |
| 23:51.32 | mikeeusa | crashoverride: I signed it |
| 23:51.40 | crashoverride | no, you didn't read. |
| 23:51.48 | crashoverride | that, or you cannot comprehend English well. |
| 23:51.53 | fsmithred | this is a devuan support channel |
| 23:52.06 | crashoverride | fsmithred: yeah, and bitcoin is offtopic it seems. :D |
| 23:52.11 | mikeeusa | Steve Litt is saying you shouldn't sign it (on the DNG mailing list) |
| 23:52.21 | *** mode/#devuan [+o fsmithred] by ChanServ |
| 23:52.26 | mikeeusa | saying you'll be fired from your job, have problems with your family |
| 23:52.32 | crashoverride | mikeeusa: dude, wtf, read what is written to you, instead of acting like a blind bot. |
| 23:52.56 | mikeeusa | crashoverride: maybe your messages aren't getting through? |
| 23:52.57 | fsmithred | mikeeusa, did you notice the part where I said this is a support channel? That was meant for you. |
| 23:53.05 | mikeeusa | all I got was this:19:51 < crashoverride> yeah, might be better with a "hi" as first message, and |
| 23:53.08 | mikeeusa | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.10 | mikeeusa | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.11 | mikeeusa | no other msgs |
| 23:53.11 | fsmithred | stop with the off-topic talk please |
| 23:53.16 | crashoverride | mikeeusa: to you, certainly, and that's what I'm trying to help you with. |
| 23:53.47 | mikeeusa | fsmithred: I'm a licensed attorney: I didn't "lose my job" for signing the RMS letter |
| 23:53.57 | mikeeusa | (RMS was pro-pedo, yes I know: good) |
| 23:54.08 | crashoverride | for an attorney, you have incredibly poor reading skills. |
| 23:54.10 | fsmithred | no, but you will lose your speaking privileges here in about five seconds |
| 23:54.12 | mikeeusa | (YHWH supports marrying little girls: Devarim chapter 22 verse 28) |
| 23:54.25 | mikeeusa | (na'ar == child, padia == child, puella == young girl) |
| 23:54.27 | *** mode/#devuan [+q mikeeusa!*@*] by fsmithred |
| 23:54.42 | crashoverride | sometimes I feel like it's bots... |
| 23:54.54 | crashoverride | but then I remember how efficient american media is at brainwashing masses. |
| 23:54.59 | fsmithred | lol |
| 23:55.19 | crashoverride | fsmithred: I mean, either it's that, or I'm deeply jealous of the skills of the author of said bot. |
| 23:55.35 | crashoverride | could not parse well, but damn, it could link information accurately. |
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| 23:56.12 | mkeeusa2 | learn how to use IRC retard |
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| 23:56.21 | mkeeusa2 | RMS was right on his pro-pedo beliefs |
| 23:56.23 | crashoverride | time for a host mask ban. |
| 23:56.36 | mkeeusa2 | crashoverride: I have infinite hosts |
| 23:56.48 | mkeeusa2 | been on the net longer than you |
| 23:56.54 | crashoverride | I'd go for banning *.dyn.optonline.net but I mean... |
| 23:56.57 | mkeeusa2 | you are faggots for not supporting RMS |
| 23:57.05 | mkeeusa2 | crashoverride: infinite russian proxies too |
| 23:57.14 | crashoverride | you can also put the chan on +R |
| 23:57.25 | mkeeusa2 | IRC is plain text |
| 23:57.30 | *** mode/#devuan [+b *!*@ool-182f2716.dyn.optonline.net] by fsmithred |
| 23:57.59 | crashoverride | hopefully that does it :D |
| 23:58.05 | fsmithred | what does +R do? |
| 23:58.12 | crashoverride | requires an account |
| 23:58.14 | crashoverride | AFAIR |
| 23:58.19 | crashoverride | not sure if +R or +r |
| 23:58.28 | DHE | one's to join, one's to talk |
| 23:58.38 | crashoverride | ah. |
| 23:58.39 | fsmithred | I thought we already had that here, but maybe it changed |
| 23:58.47 | crashoverride | to be fair, I like it without it. |
| 23:58.56 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 23:58.56 | crashoverride | but for a few days or weeks, it can't hurt. |
| 23:59.04 | crashoverride | especially when such abuse happens. |
| 23:59.53 | crashoverride | I mean, I should really consider auto-ignoring people who quote any scripture, really. |
