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| 04:01.00 | donut-assassin | Hello guys! |
| 04:02.06 | donut-assassin | I have an old thinkpad with Devuan installed on it, I dropped it while running, the disk is OK, but now has 5 bad sectors, and has lost the eudev program. |
| 04:03.40 | donut-assassin | on bootup it boot sto runlevel 2. Enters Slim login manager, but (probably since [e]udev is missing) now no longer detects keyboard. On REISUB i can drop into a root shell. |
| 04:05.31 | donut-assassin | ..however it appears the hard-drive is locked as read-only, since eudev is missing, I can no longer detect plugged in USB's for backup. I have a 30GIG virtual image I need to recover, the disk is fully-encrypted with LVM. What other options do I have, or can I repair the system by booting in with a Devuan USB live-installer? |
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| 04:17.52 | fluffywolf | I'm not familiar with encrypted lvm, so I don't know how hard it is to decrypt without booting it. you could try booting the drive in something that could have a second non-usb drive installed and copy it there. |
| 04:20.28 | fluffywolf | but, any drive that now has 5 bad sectors, might be seconds away from being a brick. imaging it would be the first thing I'd do. but, as I said, I know nothing about encryption, so I don't know if that'd work. |
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| 04:34.12 | donut-assassin | fuffywolf: thank you! |
| 04:39.56 | fluffywolf | glad to help, although I'm not sure I did. :) |
| 04:40.00 | fluffywolf | bbl, bedtime |
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| 04:49.44 | donut-assassin | goodnight :) |
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| 07:19.26 | deldenzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.57 | gnarface | with kde maybe not... |
| 07:24.37 | gnarface | did you try just purging the konqueror package? |
| 07:25.20 | gnarface | you could try disabling recommends during upgrades. |
| 07:25.41 | gnarface | that'll cut down on extra stuff anyway, maybe not kde specific |
| 07:27.46 | deldenzen | is there any way to uninstall all the packages which were recommended? |
| 07:29.41 | gnarface | hmm, there should be but i forget exactly |
| 07:30.06 | gnarface | usually what i do is directly remove one of the ones i see it install, then run "apt-get --purge autoremove" on what's left over |
| 07:30.11 | gnarface | sometimes i'll have to repeat that a couple times |
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| 07:35.00 | gnarface | when you upgrade, upgrade like this to keep it lean: apt-get update && apt-get --no-install-recommends upgrade |
| 07:35.20 | gnarface | you can add it to some config file to make it permanent but i forget the details on that too |
| 07:35.25 | gnarface | it's in the man page somewhere i think |
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| 10:24.10 | walex | all those settings are in '/etc/apt/apt.conf' or '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*.conf' |
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| 15:49.30 | grntc | eh, the wokerati at rathead are at it again |
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| 17:17.14 | Xenguy | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -s gave this output: |
| 17:17.17 | Xenguy | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/eb347aad/ |
| 17:17.44 | Xenguy | ^^ Quite a bunch of software to be updated. This is on Beowulf. |
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| 17:18.06 | Xenguy | Is anyone seeing similar upgrades? |
| 17:18.56 | fsmithred | 58 packages today |
| 17:19.08 | fsmithred | and I just did it a few days ago |
| 17:19.35 | Xenguy | Thanks fsmithred, just checking to make sure |
| 17:19.38 | fsmithred | and another new kernel |
| 17:19.41 | onefang | Similiar to what I got yesterday. Most of it is bits of Libre Office. |
| 17:19.52 | Xenguy | fsmithred, yep, here too |
| 17:19.56 | Xenguy | onefang, yeah |
| 17:19.57 | fsmithred | my uptime was only 18 days, and I upgraded from -14 to -16 |
| 17:20.12 | golinux | Libre Office is a hog |
| 17:20.27 | fsmithred | so there was -15 in there. -14 was from Jan 30 |
| 17:20.31 | onefang | Mono is much worse. lol |
| 17:20.49 | fsmithred | welcome to kernel of the month club |
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| 17:48.51 | Xenguy | golinux, While I think of it, I just ran across this image manipulation program called 'krita' yesterday. Installing it now to have a look. Might be a useful compliment to GIMP. |
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| 17:53.46 | Xenguy | "As you learn about Krita, keep in mind that it is not intended as a replacement for Photoshop. This means that the other programs may have more features than Krita for image manipulation tasks, such as stitching together photos, while Kritaâs tools are most relevant to digital painting, concept art, illustration, and texturing. This fact accounts for a great deal of Kritaâs design." |
| 18:26.07 | golinux | Xenguy: Thanks. I'll check it out. |
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| 21:14.48 | melodie | hi |
| 21:15.04 | melodie | a lady handed me a laptop Asus |
| 21:15.26 | melodie | I looked into the bios : the machine date is 2002! |
| 21:16.09 | melodie | I changed the cmos battery, changed the RAM for PC 2700 1GBx2 and added a 32GB PATA SSD |
| 21:16.33 | melodie | since yesterday I tried more than half a dozen 32bits distros presented as light, on the web |
| 21:16.44 | melodie | tried them in virtualbox |
| 21:17.23 | melodie | also I tried some light antiX spinoffs too but could not even start youtube and listen to music (lags too much). |
| 21:17.44 | melodie | finally I installed Devuan which brings much more joy in that oldie! |
| 21:19.01 | melodie | I meet with a little annoyance, I hope someone can help me with that : Synaptic won't start, it is setup to use pkexec and pkexec works better with systemd. So I don't want to add systemd so I tried the antiX trick : "su-to-root -X -c synaptic" |
| 21:19.07 | melodie | that works, however |
| 21:19.26 | melodie | what is funny, it triggers the Terminal to prompt me for the password. |
| 21:19.47 | melodie | any idea how I could get a regular x window to prompt for the password? |
| 21:20.11 | melodie | I have tried several options, but no luck yet |
| 21:24.47 | rrq | our mxlinux friends have a short forum thread on this: https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?p=558705 |
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| 21:29.15 | melodie | rrq I look thanks! |
| 21:31.43 | fsmithred | melodie, pkexec should work correctly in devuan. Is policykit-1-gnome installed? |
| 21:31.56 | melodie | fsmithred let me check |
| 21:32.57 | fsmithred | are you keeping this for yourself or returning it to the original user? |
| 21:33.04 | melodie | fsmithred yes it is, version 0.105-7 |
| 21:33.23 | melodie | neither nor, it's for another end user, why? |
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| 21:34.45 | melodie | I already have met with some kind of trouble around pkexec lately, I had heard there was a bug in some versions of policykit gnome |
| 21:35.22 | melodie | I can find a turn around, but I'd rather ask for advice this time |
| 21:38.03 | fsmithred | I was thinking maybe you would do better to use command line instead of synaptic |
| 21:38.38 | fsmithred | but that depends on the user |
| 21:38.50 | melodie | I do use command line, a lot, however I am trying to get the linux boxes I hand over to end users as graphical as possible |
| 21:39.16 | melodie | so typing a root password in a terminal feels not right |
| 21:39.20 | fsmithred | I just 'su' and then run graphical apps |
| 21:39.29 | fsmithred | but I messed with root's path to get that to work |
| 21:39.43 | fsmithred | and yes, I have to type root's password |
| 21:39.54 | fsmithred | might work better with sudo, but I don't use that much |
| 21:39.54 | melodie | this is what I have done to try to get as close as possible to what is desirable: |
| 21:40.05 | melodie | neither su not sudo |
| 21:40.22 | melodie | these are potentiel sources of trouble and security issues |
| 21:40.29 | melodie | I have installed menu |
| 21:40.46 | melodie | which brought in the "su-to-root" command as the one antiX uses |
| 21:41.02 | melodie | I have used the exact same command line as them in the synaptic.desktop file: |
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| 21:41.13 | melodie | Exec=su-to-root -X -c synaptic |
| 21:41.23 | melodie | man su-to-root says the same |
| 21:42.02 | melodie | but now when I start synaptic from the menus it prompts a terminal instead of prompting a graphical window, which is a bit strange |
| 21:42.14 | melodie | it should trigger a window |
| 21:42.18 | fsmithred | what window? |
| 21:42.20 | melodie | I mean a X window |
| 21:42.30 | fsmithred | are you thinking of gksu window? |
| 21:42.47 | melodie | fsmithred any window, gksu does not exist anymore right? |
| 21:42.55 | fsmithred | right |
| 21:43.01 | fsmithred | pkexec has replaced it |
| 21:43.13 | melodie | but if thers is no systemd maybe.. I don't know, gksu still exists in antiX |
| 21:43.29 | melodie | maybe I try to install gksu from antiX ? :D |
| 21:43.36 | fsmithred | probably an old version forward-ported |
| 21:43.41 | fsmithred | you could try |
| 21:43.52 | fsmithred | use dpkg, not apt |
| 21:43.53 | melodie | ok why not |
| 21:44.01 | melodie | yes, sure |
| 21:44.10 | melodie | I'll have to dpkg-repack first |
| 21:44.17 | fsmithred | why? |
| 21:44.21 | melodie | I have a antiX with Openbox installed in the same machine |
| 21:44.40 | melodie | to get a gksu package to install |
| 21:45.19 | melodie | or maybe I boot one in vbox on my regular machine |
| 21:45.19 | fsmithred | I mean what needs to be changed in the package? |
| 21:45.39 | melodie | I don't understand why you are asking htis |
| 21:45.40 | melodie | this |
| 21:46.01 | fsmithred | maybe I don't understand what dkpg-repack does |
| 21:46.11 | melodie | it seems if I don't get a gui window to prompt for password in Devuan is because there is neither gksu nor systemd |
| 21:46.27 | melodie | dpkg-repack rebuilds a package from an installed program |
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| 21:46.47 | fsmithred | yeah, thanks. I just read that and it makes sense now. |
| 21:46.48 | melodie | it makes it rise again from it's ashes! Like the phenix! |
| 21:47.29 | fsmithred | are you saing menu only creates a window for the password if systemd is installed? |
| 21:47.40 | melodie | or if gksu is installed |
| 21:47.50 | melodie | the window looks a bit different for both |
| 21:48.18 | melodie | one is simple, the other one, when having systemd informs of what policykit rule it is using |
| 21:49.19 | sgage | Just for a data point, pkexec works fine for me on all Devuan versions from |
| 21:49.25 | melodie | another solution would be to tweak the rule I tried, but I still can't get it to prompt for a password, when using that rule I just start it with privileges without password |
| 21:49.34 | melodie | sgage ok |
| 21:49.35 | sgage | ascii to ceres. |
| 21:50.05 | melodie | sgage how does synaptic start in your install? |
| 21:50.25 | melodie | or other gui admin tools such as "Users and Groups" ? |
| 21:50.53 | melodie | ceres : is a terminal admin tool? |
| 21:51.03 | fsmithred | here they start from the apps menu. A pkexec window comes up for the password. |
| 21:51.18 | melodie | fsmithred ook |
| 21:51.25 | fsmithred | or from terminal, 'synaptic-pkexec' gives me the same |
| 21:51.40 | melodie | fsmithred from a root terminal, isn't it so? |
| 21:51.50 | fsmithred | I just installed and tried menu, and it does the same as for you - a terminal comes up for the password. |
| 21:52.04 | fsmithred | no, synaptic-pkexec is run as unpriv user |
| 21:52.06 | fsmithred | not root |
| 21:52.10 | melodie | aha |
| 21:52.20 | fsmithred | the graphical pkexec window asks for root pass |
| 21:53.00 | fsmithred | I like terminals and think there's nothing wrong with a terminal asking for root password. |
| 21:53.07 | melodie | when I tried the regular way I had a terminal window prompting for a password, and asking with which users I should use |
| 21:53.29 | fsmithred | tried exactly what? |
| 21:53.48 | melodie | started normally from menus |
| 21:54.11 | melodie | without tweaking the synaptic.desktop file |
| 21:54.18 | melodie | without menu installed |
| 21:54.20 | sgage | melodie, 'Exec=synaptic-pkexec' in the .desktop file |
| 21:54.34 | melodie | sgage I know I have commented it to keep it |
| 21:54.52 | melodie | in fact |
| 21:55.05 | melodie | when starting from menus it would not do anything |
| 21:55.16 | fsmithred | is elogind installed? |
| 21:55.17 | melodie | so I tried invoking as user |
| 21:55.23 | melodie | fsmithred I check |
| 21:55.39 | fsmithred | and libpam-elogind |
| 21:56.01 | fsmithred | and maybe a display-manager (e.g. lightdm) |
| 21:56.16 | melodie | yes, and slim is the default dm I think |
| 21:56.28 | melodie | yes, it's slim |
| 21:56.39 | melodie | would it be better to install lightdm? |
| 21:56.44 | fsmithred | yeah, and pkexec should work with that |
| 21:56.46 | fsmithred | no |
| 21:56.51 | melodie | ? |
| 21:57.01 | fsmithred | you did a full desktop install from install iso? |
| 21:57.22 | melodie | yes, the one with Xfce4 |
| 21:57.31 | fsmithred | then it should work |
| 21:57.40 | fsmithred | i.e. starting synaptic from the menu should work |
| 21:57.42 | melodie | let me check the list of removals |
| 21:59.07 | sgage | off to a zoom meeting. good luck melodie. |
| 22:01.19 | melodie | thks sgage |
| 22:02.11 | melodie | is there a forum of some kind dedicated to Devuan? |
| 22:07.30 | fsmithred | dev1galaxy.org |
| 22:07.34 | fsmithred | melodie, ^^^ |
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| 22:10.04 | melodie | yes? |
| 22:10.39 | melodie | thanks fsmithred |
| 22:10.46 | melodie | I have bookmarked it |
| 22:10.47 | fsmithred | yw |
| 22:10.50 | melodie | :) |
| 22:10.52 | fsmithred | see you there |
| 22:10.56 | melodie | sure |
| 22:11.18 | fsmithred | how much did you remove? |
| 22:11.19 | melodie | I also have a few more questions about what is the thing related to users when installing |
| 22:11.24 | melodie | lots |
| 22:11.28 | fsmithred | don't paste a lot of lines here |
| 22:11.32 | melodie | let me show you on a pastebin |
| 22:11.36 | fsmithred | ok |
| 22:11.37 | melodie | don't worry |
| 22:11.42 | fsmithred | or paste.debian.net |
| 22:11.49 | fsmithred | (no javascript there) |
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| 22:12.30 | melodie | http://pastebin.fr/89216 |
| 22:12.55 | melodie | fsmithred I am scrutinizing in it to reinstall a few packages which might help |
| 22:13.39 | fsmithred | me too |
| 22:14.02 | fsmithred | was this an upgrade from ascii? |
| 22:15.10 | melodie | what is ascii ? |
| 22:16.45 | melodie | so far I reinstalled gir1.2-polkit-1.0 packagekit packagekit-tools and their depends |
| 22:19.27 | fsmithred | ascii=stretch (oldstable) |
| 22:20.19 | melodie | no I downloaded the ISO yesterday |
| 22:20.20 | fsmithred | maybe you need to keep some pinentry stuff |
| 22:20.36 | melodie | there is pinentry-gnome installed |
| 22:20.40 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 22:20.47 | melodie | and all of them are presented as x windows for gpg |
| 22:20.58 | fsmithred | so you know that's working |
| 22:21.24 | melodie | no i don't, I haven't used any gpg passphrase in that machine |
| 22:21.48 | melodie | I'll reboot it, I haven't, since the update, and I just reinstalled a few packages |
| 22:21.56 | melodie | let me see how it goes after reboot |
| 22:21.58 | fsmithred | ok |
| 22:22.08 | fsmithred | I couldn't find anyting obvious |
| 22:22.20 | melodie | neither did I |
| 22:22.36 | melodie | how old is yesterday's iso? (the one with Xfce4) |
| 22:22.45 | fsmithred | 3.1.1? |
| 22:22.49 | fsmithred | few days old |
| 22:23.05 | melodie | so it might have some bugs |
| 22:23.14 | melodie | I'll test it again in Virtualbox |
| 22:23.16 | fsmithred | what bugs? |
| 22:23.37 | fsmithred | you used a mirror during the install? |
| 22:23.44 | melodie | I have provided a user name and password at the end of the install |
| 22:24.09 | melodie | and it has created a user "devuan" associated with my user name, but no user of the name I gave |
| 22:24.14 | fsmithred | did you install from the desktop-live iso? |
| 22:24.21 | melodie | no /home/something, just /home/devuan |
| 22:24.29 | melodie | let me check the name of the ISO |
| 22:24.32 | fsmithred | you did |
| 22:24.40 | fsmithred | unless you chose the name devuan |
| 22:24.48 | melodie | devuan_beowulf_3.1.1_i386_desktop-live.iso |
| 22:25.24 | melodie | also the way things are presented for the names and users lacks clarity |
| 22:25.31 | melodie | it is confusing |
| 22:26.21 | melodie | I will just replay the install in Virtualbox and ask questions at the forum from the Virtualbox experience |
| 22:26.34 | fsmithred | check the install guide, too |
| 22:26.38 | fsmithred | I'll get the link |
| 22:26.51 | fsmithred | oh, I think it's on the desktop in the live iso, too |
| 22:27.45 | melodie | now I would like to solve this thing around rights and permissions, for the "Users and Groups" tool as well, as I have installed gnome-system-tools and the users tool does not provide me with a choice of providing a password |
| 22:27.53 | fsmithred | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/live-gui |
| 22:28.06 | melodie | just had an idea : I'll check if gnome-keyring is installed |
| 22:28.22 | fsmithred | also, 'id devuan' |
| 22:28.27 | melodie | thank you |
| 22:28.30 | melodie | yes? |
| 22:28.51 | fsmithred | how many users are there and what are their uid:gid and groups? |
| 22:29.02 | fsmithred | sounds like something got messed up in the install |
| 22:29.19 | melodie | yes, possible |
| 22:29.46 | melodie | there is "root" and there is "devuan" who also calls himself by the user name I provided at the end of the install |
| 22:30.00 | fsmithred | ok, that does not make sense to me |
| 22:30.07 | melodie | this is why I'll check the doc you just gave me, and redo the install in virtualbox tomorrow |
| 22:30.18 | fsmithred | ls /home |
| 22:30.27 | fsmithred | how many user directories are there? |
| 22:30.28 | melodie | fsmithred I confess it doesn't for me either |
| 22:30.36 | melodie | one : /home/devuan |
| 22:30.40 | fsmithred | id devuan |
| 22:30.46 | melodie | 1000 |
| 22:30.47 | fsmithred | should be 1000 |
| 22:30.51 | melodie | it is |
| 22:31.01 | fsmithred | so where is this other name you're talking about |
| 22:31.03 | fsmithred | ? |
| 22:31.31 | fsmithred | is that just the user's "Real name"? |
| 22:31.37 | melodie | at the end of the install I have never told it to name the user devuan I thought I would name the machine devuan, not the user |
| 22:31.59 | fsmithred | the hostname is devuan, the user name is devuan and the user password is devuan. |
| 22:32.00 | melodie | the other user is a generic one I use a lot |
| 22:32.09 | fsmithred | the installer asks if you want to chage all of those |
| 22:32.22 | melodie | I will double check tomorrow |
| 22:32.25 | fsmithred | yeah, but does that other user exist? |
| 22:32.29 | melodie | and fix it in the install |
| 22:32.34 | melodie | not it doesn't |
| 22:32.35 | fsmithred | grep otheruser /etc/passwd |
| 22:33.01 | fsmithred | yeah, reinstall can take 10 minutes |
| 22:33.38 | melodie | fsmithred no, it's an old machine, with a pata ssd |
| 22:33.53 | melodie | where I have already done a lot of writings |
| 22:34.02 | melodie | in /etc/password : |
| 22:34.11 | melodie | let's say the user is me: melodie |
| 22:34.53 | melodie | devuan:x:1000:1000:melodie,,,:/home/devuan:/bin/bash |
| 22:35.02 | melodie | I don't understand :-( |
| 22:35.38 | fsmithred | you could drop to console, login as root, kill the xsession, deluser melodie, rm -r /home/devuan |
| 22:35.44 | fsmithred | and then adduser melodie |
| 22:36.05 | fsmithred | assuming there's no user named devuan in /etc/passwd |
| 22:36.14 | fsmithred | or group devuan in /etc/group |
| 22:36.43 | fsmithred | oh |
| 22:36.45 | melodie | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.50 | fsmithred | user is devuan group is melodie |
| 22:36.51 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 22:36.56 | fsmithred | I read it wrong the first time |
| 22:36.59 | melodie | very strange |
| 22:37.15 | fsmithred | deluser devuan, delgroup melodie, rm -r /home/devuan, adduser melodie |
| 22:37.16 | melodie | ok fsmithred I'll see you on the forum |
| 22:37.35 | melodie | what is better, deluser or userdel ? |
| 22:37.50 | fsmithred | deluser is a debian script, userdel is the underlying command |
| 22:38.00 | fsmithred | deluser and adduser are easier |
| 22:38.07 | fsmithred | they do more |
| 22:38.10 | melodie | ok |
| 22:38.28 | fsmithred | you can modify the behavior in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 22:39.15 | fsmithred | if you can save /var/log/refractainstaller.log from this installation, I'd like to see it. |
| 22:39.53 | fsmithred | you can email me through the forum |
| 22:40.24 | crashoverride | gosh, UEFI is so terribad... |
| 22:41.32 | fsmithred | it would be less bad if motherboard manufacturers stuck to the specs |
| 22:41.57 | fsmithred | time for food |
| 22:42.01 | melodie | uefi are a pain |
| 22:42.08 | fsmithred | tell me about it |
| 22:42.10 | fsmithred | lol |
| 22:42.12 | melodie | yes |
| 22:42.22 | fsmithred | see you later |
| 22:42.28 | melodie | cheers |
| 22:45.43 | melodie | fsmithred new user : starting synaptic now triggers a window! |
| 22:45.49 | melodie | a gui window! |
| 22:45.53 | melodie | I'm happy! |
| 22:46.29 | melodie | I bet the packagekit packages reinstalls have done the trick |
| 22:46.38 | melodie | next on to the other little issues |
| 22:50.54 | crashoverride | melodie: are you melodie from #gandi? |
| 22:51.56 | melodie | hi crashoverride I am one of their clients |
| 22:52.42 | crashoverride | nah I meant on the IRC channel; but yes, then, I suppose that answers my question :P |
| 22:52.48 | crashoverride | and so, bonsoir :) |
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| 22:56.00 | melodie | bonsoir crashoverride :) |
| 22:58.05 | melodie | this Devuan distro is incredible |
| 22:58.56 | melodie | I am playing the stream of a Swiss radio in mpv, by just dropping the URL into it, it does not lag or anyting : the machine is Asus 4000 A4D : 18 years old |
| 22:59.11 | melodie | with cpu AMD 3000+ 32bits 1.8Ghz |
| 22:59.36 | melodie | and RAM (added by myself) PC 2700 333Mhz 2x1 GB |
| 22:59.59 | melodie | the hard drive replaced with a 32GB PATA SSD Kingston |
| 23:00.09 | melodie | that's a challenge! \o/ |
| 23:00.41 | melodie | going to make pancakes to celebrate now ^^ |
| 23:08.09 | specing | why would playing music lag? |
| 23:09.42 | melodie | specing on youtube in a web browser in a 18 years old laptop? |
| 23:10.01 | specing | > web browser |
| 23:10.04 | specing | there's your problem #1 |
| 23:10.11 | specing | and youtube is #2 |
| 23:10.35 | melodie | on youtube, in epiphany-browser the music does not lag, only the video |
| 23:10.43 | melodie | this can be turned around by dl the video |
| 23:11.15 | melodie | what light audio reader is there for Devuan? I looked for deadbeef but it's not in the repos |
| 23:11.15 | crashoverride | melodie: devuan is essentially what linux distros should be. |
| 23:11.31 | melodie | nor xmms legacy. |
| 23:11.38 | melodie | crashoverride agreed |
| 23:11.38 | crashoverride | melodie: but people don't value FOSS, and there are good reasons for that: free means doomed, eventually. |
| 23:11.52 | melodie | doomed how? |
| 23:12.01 | crashoverride | there's no income to power the development. |
| 23:12.08 | crashoverride | so it always starts with someone skilled |
| 23:12.17 | crashoverride | and eventually they need money or to stop |
| 23:12.17 | golinux | Appropriated and monetized you mean |
| 23:12.23 | melodie | I have pushed my clients into linux boxes for years and even more the last 3 years, they won't go back to windows unless forced |
| 23:12.25 | crashoverride | mainly, because they got stuff to pay on their end. |
| 23:12.27 | crashoverride | right? |
| 23:12.31 | crashoverride | and so, they gotta stop. |
| 23:12.38 | crashoverride | and who can afford to continue? students. |
| 23:12.49 | melodie | crashoverride it's mostly true |
| 23:12.51 | crashoverride | FOSS is essentially software development from interns as a service. |
| 23:13.18 | crashoverride | (if you ignore the few diehards like fsmithred here) |
| 23:13.47 | crashoverride | gosh, I'm never gonna be able to boot that encrypted stuff... |
| 23:14.28 | crashoverride | it's not devuan, it's a rescue system from another distro (alpine), but if anyon knows how to manually boot into an encrypted lvm volume... |
| 23:14.31 | crashoverride | I'm really interested. :) |
| 23:14.54 | crashoverride | or, simply, how to switch grub to debug, because it really crashes |
| 23:17.43 | crashoverride | daaaamnit |
| 23:18.46 | melodie | do you have your password ? |
| 23:19.07 | melodie | if the answer is yes, then do you have the right keyboard layout? |
| 23:19.18 | crashoverride | it really hangs. |
| 23:19.23 | crashoverride | like, I don't even get to the passphrase. |
| 23:19.32 | crashoverride | I have `(grub)> boot` |
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| 23:19.35 | melodie | have you passed a smart test on the drive? |
| 23:19.38 | crashoverride | and that's the last thing on the screen. |
| 23:19.44 | crashoverride | yeah it's all good. |
| 23:19.53 | crashoverride | should do more than that anyway, even with a bad drive. |
| 23:20.26 | melodie | try booting my bento openbox version, and when prompted the password provide it. https://downloads.linuxvillage.org |
| 23:20.47 | melodie | the polkit authorization is meant to ease access to hard drive volumes |
| 23:21.06 | melodie | same with gvfs and gvfs-backends installed |
| 23:21.13 | melodie | the file manager is pcmanfm |
| 23:21.23 | crashoverride | it's not possible, that's a VM, I can change a few parameters, but not use a custom iso right up |
| 23:22.09 | melodie | why can't you start an iso in another vm you setup as slave or whatever and mount the other vm? |
| 23:22.47 | crashoverride | as slave? |
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| 23:27.29 | fsmithred | crashoverride, yes I know how to mount encrypted lvm |
| 23:28.28 | fsmithred | you can boot an iso with the virtual hard disk attached? |
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| 23:30.09 | crashoverride | yeah I can |
| 23:30.10 | crashoverride | one sec' |
| 23:30.54 | crashoverride | so it kinda worked out, but it says "booting in blind mode" and I have literally no idea why. |
| 23:31.03 | crashoverride | I inserted the right modules. |
| 23:31.07 | crashoverride | also, hangs, again v_v |
| 23:31.16 | crashoverride | gotta reboot I guess. |
| 23:31.17 | fsmithred | in qemu or something else? |
| 23:31.23 | crashoverride | smartos, bhyve |
| 23:31.35 | fsmithred | ? |
| 23:31.47 | crashoverride | illumos |
| 23:31.54 | melodie | lol |
| 23:32.00 | crashoverride | why lol? |
| 23:32.02 | melodie | great! |
| 23:32.21 | crashoverride | but I mean I can boot things on it. |
| 23:32.25 | melodie | because it's so rare to hear about it I didn't even know other people still knew it existed |
| 23:32.27 | crashoverride | my problem is grub with a linux. :) |
| 23:32.35 | crashoverride | ah? |
| 23:32.40 | crashoverride | well, I mean, I work with BSD a lot, too |
| 23:33.06 | melodie | isn't BSD and family supposed to have their own bootloader that superseeds all others? |
| 23:33.19 | melodie | I mean that are *the* master of the game? |
| 23:33.49 | crashoverride | well, it's a linux VM |
| 23:33.50 | crashoverride | so it's not BSD. |
| 23:33.53 | fsmithred | cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdxY <label> |
| 23:34.00 | crashoverride | fsmithred: I don't even get there... |
| 23:34.06 | fsmithred | vgdisplay, lvdisplay to get names |
| 23:34.08 | crashoverride | I can totally mount it from the rescue drive... |
| 23:34.16 | fsmithred | yeah, but I need to return to the kitchen |
| 23:34.20 | crashoverride | I know about vgscan and vgchange -a y |
| 23:34.23 | fsmithred | ok, cool |
| 23:34.28 | crashoverride | I used that a lot |
| 23:34.33 | crashoverride | but right now, my problem is: |
| 23:34.50 | crashoverride | I boot the VM, I get a screen... grub menu... I can drop to the shell or anything |
| 23:34.53 | crashoverride | and then, nothing |
| 23:34.55 | melodie | excuse me : what small audio reader is there for Devuan? Small with a light footprint? |
| 23:34.57 | crashoverride | and it hangs. |
| 23:35.06 | crashoverride | mpg321? |
| 23:35.16 | crashoverride | there's also mpg123 |
| 23:35.21 | crashoverride | mplayer, I guess. |
| 23:35.23 | fsmithred | moc |
| 23:35.24 | crashoverride | ffmpeg could work |
| 23:35.27 | fsmithred | mocp |
| 23:35.28 | melodie | crashoverride that would be text mode I guess I need gui for end users |
| 23:35.30 | crashoverride | ah, I didn't know moc |
| 23:35.33 | crashoverride | also, aplay :D |
| 23:35.35 | crashoverride | hides |
| 23:35.43 | fsmithred | audacious is light |
| 23:35.46 | crashoverride | melodie: ah ok |
| 23:35.53 | melodie | fsmithred yes, I'll do that |
| 23:35.58 | buZz | mp3blaster |
| 23:36.03 | buZz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.09 | melodie | buZz I'll have a look, thank you |
| 23:36.34 | fsmithred | crashoverride, do you know your way around booting from grub prompt? |
| 23:36.44 | melodie | Mp3blaster is an audio player for the text console |
| 23:36.50 | melodie | not for the end users then |
| 23:37.03 | melodie | unless they are geeks, which they often are not |
| 23:37.04 | crashoverride | gosh darn it |
| 23:37.05 | buZz | why not? |
| 23:37.11 | crashoverride | I REALLY can't fix that... |
| 23:37.22 | melodie | buZz because they get scared |
| 23:37.29 | buZz | thats good |
| 23:37.36 | crashoverride | fear is never good. |
| 23:37.40 | melodie | buZz why is it? |
| 23:37.43 | crashoverride | it can save your life, but it never is. |
| 23:37.48 | crashoverride | it's a safety net. |
| 23:37.55 | crashoverride | and hitting the safety net is never good. |
| 23:38.03 | melodie | for now let's save the computers |
| 23:38.13 | crashoverride | I know our society is complacent about being lying down in safety nets... |
| 23:38.20 | buZz | melodie: you cant grow remaining in safe zones |
| 23:38.21 | melodie | from being dismantled, poor machines |
| 23:38.21 | crashoverride | but that's not because it's popular that it's a good example :D |
| 23:38.34 | melodie | buZz I'm not concerned |
| 23:38.38 | melodie | my users are |
| 23:38.57 | golinux | Isn't this getting a little far from devuan support? |
| 23:39.06 | melodie | buZz I'll try mp3blaster for myself though |
| 23:39.09 | golinux | try #devuan-offtopic |
| 23:39.18 | melodie | golinux fully in the topic |
| 23:39.26 | crashoverride | maybe I should do screenshots to show you guys what is happening... |
| 23:39.41 | melodie | I am getting help finish polishing my very first Devuan install for a very old laptop |
| 23:40.13 | golinux | Armchair psychology? |
| 23:40.31 | melodie | ? |
| 23:40.51 | golinux | fear and safety nets and . . . |
| 23:41.11 | melodie | ⦠|
| 23:41.48 | melodie | golinux I save old machines for end users this time it's thanks to Devuan |
| 23:42.31 | fsmithred | crashoverride, were you talking about full-disk-encryption earlier? |
| 23:43.24 | golinux | melodie: That's a good project. |
| 23:43.44 | melodie | thanks golinux |
| 23:44.07 | adhoc | ongoing support for older machines is always a challenge |
| 23:44.48 | adhoc | I moced most my older machines from a variety of out of support debian to devuan last winter |
| 23:44.49 | crashoverride | yeah. |
| 23:44.57 | crashoverride | fsmithred: I have a UEFI partition that has a EFI binary |
| 23:45.13 | crashoverride | fsmithred: I have a boot partition with a grub setup, an initramfs, vmlinuz and some other files |
| 23:45.19 | crashoverride | (configuration and modules) |
| 23:45.47 | fsmithred | boot partition is not encrypted? |
| 23:45.53 | melodie | adhoc I tried many in vbox yesterday, I even tried my own spins in the machine, but my spins work less well! |
| 23:46.07 | melodie | even though they have openbox as desktop |
| 23:46.25 | adhoc | melodie: well with practice comes understanding =) |
| 23:46.51 | crashoverride | fsmithred: no |
| 23:46.52 | adhoc | I am on my nine spin up of a flatcar install on a VM so the install to metal will be easier |
| 23:47.07 | crashoverride | fsmithred: it's a system I'm migrating from syslinux |
| 23:47.24 | crashoverride | I made screenshots of the problem |
| 23:47.31 | crashoverride | I'm trying to find a place to push them |
| 23:47.43 | adhoc | melodie: I know flatcar has nothing to do with devuan, but work has different needs =) |
| 23:54.27 | melodie | ? |
| 23:54.55 | adhoc | melodie: the more you work with these systems, the faster you skills with it will grow =) |
| 23:55.22 | melodie | I still can't learn howto code, I can't find time for that kind of thing |
| 23:55.38 | adhoc | you can build up your skills. |
| 23:55.39 | crashoverride | fsmithred: https://pasteboard.co/JUM7RX7.png https://pasteboard.co/JUM8m9E.png https://pasteboard.co/JUM8Bh3.png |
| 23:55.41 | melodie | so I just remix and tweak with the same refined recipe |
| 23:55.52 | crashoverride | in the order the screens are in. |
| 23:55.54 | adhoc | melodie: that is the beginning of it all =) |
| 23:56.18 | melodie | adhoc yes, almost 12 years now ^^ |
| 23:56.30 | melodie | from pclinuxos to ubuntu and lately antiX |
| 23:56.37 | crashoverride | fsmithred: ok apparently the uploads didn't work |
| 23:56.41 | crashoverride | one sec' |
| 23:56.49 | melodie | isn't there a remix / snapshot script in Devuan? |
| 23:57.11 | fsmithred | melodie, yes. refractasnapshot |
| 23:57.18 | adhoc | melodie: "remix" script ? |
| 23:57.23 | melodie | fsmithred I'll give it a whirl! |
| 23:57.28 | fsmithred | refractasnapshot-base and refractasnapshot-gui |
| 23:57.29 | *** join/#devuan GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) |
| 23:57.45 | melodie | nice to know! |
| 23:58.02 | fsmithred | https://refracta.org/docs/readme.refractasnapshot.txt |
| 23:58.16 | melodie | I'll bookmark it for now, thank you very much |
