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| 01:24.57 | gnarface | sadsnork: i assume a day or two is normal, but maybe #devuan-dev or #devuan-www? |
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| 01:25.41 | gnarface | sadsnork: failing that, ask golinux jaromil or fsmithred maybe to put you in contact with someone |
| 01:26.44 | golinux | sadsnork: You need to talk to onefang |
| 01:28.12 | golinux | Unfortunately he does not have access to respond to mirror emails and those who do are now invisible. We've been trying to find a solution to that for several weeks but no progress |
| 01:28.44 | golinux | Best to try on #devuan-dev to catch him. |
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| 02:02.03 | sadsnork | Awesome, thanks for the help gnarface and golinux :-) |
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| 02:28.28 | onefang | sadsnork: I do have access to the mirrors@devuan.org email address, the problem is - |
| 02:29.51 | onefang | In Australia most of the plants are evergreens. A bit of rain, a bit of sunshine, they'll flower, they don't care about seasons. Just had lots of rain, and now lots of sunshine. So I got lots of hayfever. Been feeling shin for the last couple of days. |
| 02:31.27 | sadsnork | Hey onefang... no problem. Here in Canada I haven't seen most plants in four or five months. :-) |
| 02:31.59 | sadsnork | I mostly just wanted to make sure my message wasn't flagged as spam. It wouldn't be the first time unfortunately. |
| 02:32.36 | onefang | I'm processing your email now. Yay Canadian mirror! |
| 02:33.05 | sadsnork | cheers! |
| 02:36.04 | onefang | How often do you intend to update it? |
| 02:36.58 | onefang | I highly recommend every 30 minutes. |
| 02:37.46 | sadsnork | I can do that. :-) |
| 02:42.12 | golinux | Ah, good that you two hooked up. onfang, I thought you didn't have admin access to the list . . . |
| 02:42.21 | golinux | onefang really . . . |
| 02:44.14 | onefang | mirrors@devuan.org is a simple email address, not the list, I have access to it. I have read and write access to the mirrors email list, but not admin access. |
| 02:44.43 | onefang | sadsnork: You should be able to start rsyncing your mirror now, and it's been added to the list. |
| 02:50.04 | onefang | This is Australia, even the plants try to kill you. lol |
| 02:51.00 | Xenguy | Not to mention the snakes |
| 02:51.25 | onefang | Everything except some of the sheep. |
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| 02:57.10 | sadsnork | Hey onefang, I am resolving pkgmaster.devuan.org to 54.36.142.183, getting a fingerprint of SHA256:p0dv9nosuWPyE7F8gpJPZC0VGnv2J015TYzhrr4c9Rk, and receiving a "Permission denied (publickey)" message. |
| 02:57.34 | sadsnork | Do the IP and fingerprint look correct? |
| 02:58.47 | onefang | You are using your publickey? |
| 02:58.59 | onefang | Was there a step I skipped? lol |
| 02:59.46 | sadsnork | Hmmm, is it under the username vesta? I am following https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt |
| 03:00.03 | sadsnork | and the rsync described there is "rsync -avz vesta@pkgmaster.devuan.org:~/devuan ./" |
| 03:00.26 | onefang | Try now, there was a step I skipped. |
| 03:00.49 | onefang | Just got up, haven't had brekky yet. |
| 03:01.39 | sadsnork | Dang, still getting perm denied pubkey err. |
| 03:02.12 | sadsnork | sends onefang some extra strong coffee :-) |
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| 03:04.13 | onefang | Doh! TWO steps I skipped. lol |
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| 03:05.42 | onefang | Try now. |
| 03:06.00 | sadsnork | BAM! |
| 03:06.04 | sadsnork | There it goes. :-) |
| 03:06.09 | onefang | Yay! |
| 03:07.12 | onefang | Actually there's a third step I'm missing, but that's coz I don't have admin access to the devuan-mirrors@lists.dyne.org mailing list, which is to add you to it. Still working on sorting that out. |
| 03:07.23 | onefang | Brekky time. |
| 03:07.38 | sadsnork | Since it is 11pm here [and because I shouldn't keep you from your morning coffee] my plan is to go to bed and tomorrow I'll use some local network "foolery" to test doing an install off my new server directly. |
| 03:08.01 | sadsnork | Then assuming it goes well I'll let you know and we can move on to whatever the next step is. how's that sound eh? |
| 03:08.14 | onefang | Or you can just set your sources to use your mirror directly. |
| 03:08.57 | onefang | Since you are now in the mirror list, apt-panopticon will be checking on your mirror to. |
| 03:08.59 | sadsnork | yes, I was thinking of doing that as well as poisoning my local DNS just to ensure I also got the deb.devuan.org virtal host sewtup properly too. |
| 03:09.46 | sadsnork | Oy! I misspelled virtual AND setup. Can you tell I need sleep? |
| 03:09.59 | onefang | You wont be on the DNS-RR for deb.devuan.org. |
| 03:10.14 | sadsnork | Do you want me to cron the rsync right now? Or can that wait for tomorrow? |
| 03:10.40 | onefang | Cron it now. |
| 03:10.49 | sadsnork | Will do. |
| 03:19.46 | sadsnork | Hmmm, looks like the initial rsync is going to take a while... certainly longer than the half hour interval between cron'ed attempts. I kind of don't want to let the automated syncs run just yet if it is okay. |
| 03:27.01 | onefang | No worries. |
| 03:38.34 | sadsnork | Awesome... thanks for the help, it's time for me to crash. |
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| 09:49.57 | slacko64_27336 | Having trouble setting the correct date and time in Refracta which is based in Devuan |
| 09:50.53 | crashoverride | usually, when you have a userland problem with a distro, you go to #distro |
| 09:51.06 | crashoverride | i.e. if I have a problem with devuan, I come here, I don't go on #debian. |
| 09:52.40 | pandakekok9 | crashoverride: actually, according to https://www.refracta.org/resources.html, Refracta support also belongs here |
| 09:52.47 | slacko64_27336 | there's no refracta channel, that's why I came here |
| 09:53.02 | crashoverride | niiiice. |
| 09:53.25 | crashoverride | Wait lemme do a broken fork of devuan with promises I can't keep and defer my support here. |
| 09:56.30 | slacko64_27336 | when setting time zone to new york, it says 3pm wednesday instead of 3 am Thursday |
| 09:56.46 | crashoverride | do you have an NTP client running? |
| 09:56.57 | crashoverride | also have you set your timezone properly? |
| 09:57.16 | onefang | Refracta is made by fsmithred, who is also one of the Devuan developers, and is active in helping out in this channel. |
| 09:59.31 | crashoverride | onefang: now I wonder why it exists. |
| 10:00.05 | crashoverride | I'll check it out, please disregard what I said above regarding the irrelevance of its support here. |
| 10:00.55 | slacko64_27336 | I'm running Refracta in virtualbox btw |
| 10:01.10 | crashoverride | fsmithred: Ok one question, why would you make refracta as a distro instead of a meta-package for devuan? |
| 10:01.24 | crashoverride | seems a little bit overkill... |
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| 10:01.39 | crashoverride | "Hey guys, I needed to go down the stairs so I built a jetpack" |
| 10:02.35 | crashoverride | slacko64_27336: does your VM have network? |
| 10:02.39 | pandakekok9 | If I understand correctly, Refracta is like a lightweight, systemd-free alternative to Ubuntu. So if Ubuntu is to Debian, Refracta is to Devuan |
| 10:03.00 | slacko64_27336 | no network yet |
| 10:04.00 | onefang | Have you told your VM that the "BIOS" is running in UTC time, but the host is running in local time, or the other way around? |
| 10:04.01 | koollman | crashoverride: same as many other debian derivatives, really. Some people wanted a specific preconfigured setup and a few additional tools |
| 10:04.22 | crashoverride | koollman: but I mean, what's wrong with `apt-get install preconfigured-setup-package`? |
| 10:05.11 | koollman | crashoverride: more like adding another repo and then a few packages. But, yeah, I know. I'm just telling you why it exists, like many many other derivative distros :) |
| 10:05.28 | slacko64_27336 | UTC was disabled in virtualbox settings. I tried enabling it but still same result |
| 10:05.30 | koollman | I suppose mostly ease of use/setup |
| 10:05.38 | fsmithred | pandakekok9, that's not a good analogy. Ubuntu uses ubuntu repos, refracta uses devuan repos. |
| 10:06.23 | fsmithred | there's no way you could do an "add-on" package to make refracta. It would need to be a "take-away" package, and it would take away the metapackages. |
| 10:06.42 | fsmithred | which you generally can't do, so I don't try to remove them. They aren't there to start with. |
| 10:07.20 | fsmithred | There used to be a refracta forum but the service got bought by millenials who destroyed it. |
| 10:07.25 | fsmithred | tapatalk |
| 10:07.34 | slacko64_27336 | Refracta version is 8.3 xfce btw |
| 10:07.36 | crashoverride | tapatalk?! :D |
| 10:07.43 | fsmithred | crapatalk |
| 10:07.54 | fsmithred | ntpdate-debian |
| 10:07.55 | crashoverride | now that does not help... what do you mean? :P |
| 10:08.00 | fsmithred | to set your time |
| 10:08.22 | fsmithred | slacko64_27336, refracta is on 10 same as debian |
| 10:08.52 | fsmithred | refracta versions have always tracked debian versions since squeeze and sort of since lenny |
| 10:08.56 | crashoverride | fsmithred: do you mean the refracta forum was on tapatalk and that got bought off? |
| 10:09.07 | pandakekok9 | fsmithred: Yeah, it seems my analogy is off there. When I think of "newbie-friendly Linux" I always think of Ubuntu |
| 10:09.38 | fsmithred | refracta forum was on freeforums.net and they got bought by tapatalk. |
| 10:09.43 | crashoverride | ah. |
| 10:09.46 | crashoverride | crap |
| 10:09.50 | crashoverride | now I get it. |
| 10:09.51 | fsmithred | it's still there, but I locked it so you can't post |
| 10:10.12 | crashoverride | Gotta love web pages that only have `javascript:void(0);` links... |
| 10:10.30 | fsmithred | besides being painfully ugly, they had a button on the page to "contribute money to refracta" but the money would go to them. |
| 10:10.33 | crashoverride | so accessible. |
| 10:10.42 | crashoverride | OH WOW. |
| 10:10.54 | crashoverride | That is so despicable... |
| 10:10.58 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 10:11.02 | fsmithred | I would get gold points |
| 10:11.12 | fsmithred | payer would get add-free visits to the stie |
| 10:11.13 | crashoverride | is that meant as an insult? |
| 10:11.15 | fsmithred | site |
| 10:11.31 | fsmithred | and if I got enough gold points, they'd let me have some cash |
| 10:11.36 | crashoverride | 'cause that's what I would do if I wanted to aggravate someone I hate. |
| 10:12.23 | crashoverride | "hey thanks for your hard work, it brings many moneys in. Now if you're a nice little boy and suck my **** I'll let you have the crumbs." |
| 10:12.26 | fsmithred | when you change the time, sometimes it doesn't change in the panel clock right away |
| 10:12.59 | crashoverride | I mean, internet is great; but some people could really stand being reminded of the feels of a good nose-pushing rapid fist movement. |
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| 10:13.27 | fsmithred | I'm with you on that |
| 10:13.37 | fsmithred | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 10:13.42 | fsmithred | ntpdate-debian |
| 10:13.50 | fsmithred | those should be enough to fix it |
| 10:14.08 | crashoverride | I was gonna detail the manual steps for doing this, eventually; but I'm glad there are tools for that ;P |
| 10:14.25 | onefang | slacko64_27336: no network yet |
| 10:14.27 | crashoverride | see, that's why people with actual proefficiency in the specific software at hand are better at helping ;D |
| 10:14.34 | onefang | So ntpdate wont help. |
| 10:15.10 | fsmithred | why not? |
| 10:15.25 | fsmithred | oh, for you |
| 10:15.42 | crashoverride | also slacko64_27336 left. |
| 10:16.10 | crashoverride | like, 5 minutes ago. |
| 10:16.27 | onefang | Coz the VM with the problem has no network to talk to NTP servers. slacko said that, and yes, just noticed they left. |
| 10:16.56 | crashoverride | < crashoverride> slacko64_27336: does your VM have network? |
| 10:16.58 | crashoverride | < slacko64_27336> no network yet |
| 10:17.00 | fsmithred | how many people here are having trouble setting the time? |
| 10:17.07 | crashoverride | just that one afaict |
| 10:17.14 | crashoverride | so, now, zero. |
| 10:17.15 | fsmithred | not you? |
| 10:17.17 | onefang | Just slacko. |
| 10:17.22 | crashoverride | no, I was initially helping. |
| 10:17.22 | fsmithred | oh |
| 10:17.27 | crashoverride | then we started helping each other :D |
| 10:17.31 | crashoverride | and they left. |
| 10:17.44 | crashoverride | #normaldayonIRC |
| 10:17.51 | fsmithred | I'm still on my first coffee of the day, so this is all happening too fast |
| 10:18.11 | onefang | crashoverride getting snarky about Refracta didn't help. lol |
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| 10:18.25 | crashoverride | I'm only having one a day, 5hrs of sleep a night with a baby on the way in the next two weeks is definitely not enough. |
| 10:18.50 | djph | you'll be up to 1 an hour in 2 weeks |
| 10:18.53 | crashoverride | onefang: hey in my defense, I had no idea what it was and why it would be legitimate for it to send its support here. |
| 10:18.57 | fsmithred | so slacko is running refracta jessie. |
| 10:19.05 | crashoverride | djph: don't try scaring me bruh :D |
| 10:19.06 | fsmithred | 8.3 |
| 10:19.22 | djph | crashoverride: wait, first gremlin? |
| 10:19.29 | crashoverride | fsmithred: noice. Not old 'nuf IMHO. |
| 10:19.38 | crashoverride | fsmithred: software is like fine wine, the older, the better. |
| 10:19.47 | crashoverride | djph: very first. |
| 10:20.11 | djph | crashoverride: good times. Yeah, you'll be all over coffee / tea / favored hot drink |
| 10:20.15 | fsmithred | I should probably upload my last jessie build that has the archiive mirror in sources.list |
| 10:20.28 | crashoverride | djph: I actually have a hand-press for espresso. |
| 10:20.34 | djph | ... i need to learn how to spin dev1 for rpi |
| 10:20.42 | crashoverride | djph: takes a shitload of time to make ONE espresso, but you get full control over it. |
| 10:20.45 | fsmithred | arm-sdk |
| 10:20.52 | crashoverride | it's to espresso what assembly is to programming. |
| 10:21.00 | djph | fsmithred: yeah ... which I also have to learn ... |
| 10:21.07 | onefang | thinks coffee talk is #devuan-offtopic talk. |
| 10:21.14 | crashoverride | sorry onefang, and yes. |
| 10:21.21 | crashoverride | onefang: tbh, baby talk too |
| 10:21.39 | onefang | Also true. |
| 10:21.56 | crashoverride | but djph isn't there so we'll go on another chan ;) |
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| 17:53.50 | user___ | . |
| 17:54.56 | user___ | Did you see the ronr cloud fiasco today? https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/25/ruby_rails_code/ -- this is not directly devuan related but, is there a mitigation plan in place when "upstream" debian or it's upstream pulls some key package or changes it's license overnight? |
| 17:55.20 | user___ | executive summary: "This had the unfortunate effect of breaking the popular web development framework Ruby on Rails, which includes mimemagic 0.3.5 as a dependency. It also affects 172 other packages, which between them touch 577,148 different software repositories.' |
| 17:55.40 | user___ | That must be a record number of repos rendered unbuildable with one command. |
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| 17:58.31 | user___ | As usual, the comments to the article are highly entertaining and scary at the same time. |
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| 18:07.14 | nemo_ | So. with the new openssl thing |
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| 18:07.51 | nemo | what's the lag on the devuan repos? |
| 18:08.06 | nemo | I assume it's not as soon as debian pushes |
| 18:08.35 | user___ | openssl has a new hole? |
| 18:08.46 | nemo | they warned us it was coming a few weeks ago |
| 18:08.47 | nemo | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26580477 |
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| 18:24.36 | *** topic/#devuan is Welcome to Devuan! https://devuan.org | Releases: https://files.devuan.org (Beowulf 3.1.0 stable, ASCII 2.1 old-stable) | Forum https://dev1galaxy.org | Chanlogs http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ | take offtopic chat to #devuan-offtopic |
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| 18:52.55 | user___ | Is there a one stop (ok, 5 stop) method to get rid of all the language translation files on the system? Some packages install a lot of messages etc in 3 dozen languages, that is pollution. |
| 18:54.27 | user___ | nemo: I see a new (to me) openssl package for beowulf. May be older to you. |
| 18:54.33 | user___ | Setting up openssl (1.1.1d-0+deb10u5) |
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| 18:55.55 | user___ | Which may be obsolete? I see references to 1.1.1k ? |
| 18:57.29 | user___ | So erm Beowulf is "a little" out of date? Harrumph? Backports? golinux ? fsmithred ? |
| 18:58.38 | user___ | I have beowulf-security and beowulf-backports in the sources.list |
| 18:58.45 | user___ | What gives? |
| 18:58.50 | user___ | I'll wait for an answer. |
| 18:59.55 | user___ | upstream seems to be stuck on d too, j is "unstable" ? https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/openssl |
| 19:00.09 | user___ | I don't like the use of the term "unstable" around a security related tool. |
| 19:00.53 | user___ | so Buster is on 1.1.1d-0+deb10u4 and I just got u5 installed, see above |
| 19:01.01 | user___ | Something is strange here. |
| 19:01.32 | user___ | Now I am really confused. |
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| 19:03.09 | user___ | Ah >>nemo re your link, apparently this bug being mitigated now was introduced in 1.1.1h and does not affect 1.1.1d -- I hope I am right. |
| 19:04.07 | user___ | Also, the bug only affects the server side of openssl tls apparently, no concern for clients. |
| 19:09.55 | fsmithred | user___, u4 is in beowulf main, u5 is in beowulf-security |
| 19:10.21 | user___ | Well I upgraded to u5 just now, there is no further upgrade in the channel for now. |
| 19:10.39 | user___ | Is openssh also upgraded as a result? |
| 19:10.59 | fsmithred | I wouldn't think so. They are separate. |
| 19:12.40 | fsmithred | old is not necessarily out of date. A lot of fixes get backported. |
| 19:12.44 | fsmithred | plus... |
| 19:12.51 | fsmithred | it's debian, so old software is a feature. |
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| 19:14.51 | user___ | fsmithred: when openssl is upgraded, will all apps linked against it's libs have to be upgraded? |
| 19:15.10 | user___ | Seems like not, but sometimes yes. I assume it depends on the kind of bug fixed. |
| 19:15.58 | fsmithred | user___, that varies. |
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| 19:27.03 | chr[] | user___: at least u must restart applications using libssl |
| 19:27.26 | user___ | Yes but I am not running any servers with ssl use |
| 19:27.42 | user___ | Browsers etc get restarted daily at least |
| 19:27.47 | user___ | irssi too :) |
| 19:28.14 | user___ | In fact, I'll do it now |
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| 19:29.18 | user___ | I suppose apt runs ldconfig -a by itself (/me has these things baked into his DNA since the 1990s when running Slackware) |
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