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02:20.15 | iv4nshm4k0v | jonadab: I've had keyboards dying for various reasons, but can't say a cord was ever a problem for me. As for Model Ms, I don't know how you estimate keyboard's worth, but at around 100 USD new from http://unicomp.com/ , I'd say they're somewhat costly. |
02:39.46 | adhoc | iv4nshm4k0v: if that is a full 101 key, then that is on the low side for a mechanical keyboard. |
02:40.48 | adhoc | I wonder if the modern model m's come in PS2 and if they would work on my octane... |
02:43.57 | iv4nshm4k0v | adhoc: Unicomp offers keyboards with 87 to 122 keys, most of them in both PS/2 and USB varieties. |
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02:47.53 | edgar9380 | I have a 1600x1200 monitor, yet I can only do 1280x1024 max. |
02:48.02 | edgar9380 | my GPU is a AMD Radeon R7 250 card too |
02:48.35 | gnarface | edgar9380: you need the firmware-amd-graphics package. do you have it? |
02:48.49 | gnarface | edgar9380: (it's in non-free) |
02:50.01 | gnarface | edgar9380: (let me know if you don't know how to check) |
02:52.11 | edgar9380 | I added the non-free Debian sources to my sources.list file |
02:52.25 | edgar9380 | and I'm currently installing the firmware-amd-graphics package |
02:52.58 | golinux | Please that non-devuan related chat to #devuan-offtopic |
02:53.55 | golinux | Not a good idea to use debian sources directly. Devuan has everything that debian does except systemd |
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02:58.48 | edgar9380 | I got the non-free AMD drivers working now on my Devuan install. |
02:58.54 | edgar9380 | working 100% |
03:01.30 | gnarface | so the resolution is right now |
03:01.31 | gnarface | ? |
03:02.04 | gnarface | or you're saying they already worked before hand |
03:02.31 | gnarface | you typed Debian earlier, and there was some confusion about your intent |
03:02.51 | Xenguy | edgar9380, you are mixing Debian and Devuan sources? That is the Frankenstein Opening : -) |
03:03.18 | gnarface | edgar9380: to be clear, you meant you put Devuan non-free in your sources.list, right? |
03:03.50 | gnarface | yea it really makes a mess if you actually mix devuan and debian repos |
03:03.55 | edgar9380 | I choose the non-free Debian sources |
03:04.01 | edgar9380 | *source |
03:04.11 | gnarface | it isn't always apparent how it breaks things |
03:04.27 | gnarface | it causes package dependency tree corruption, basically |
03:04.58 | gnarface | and to be clear, Devuan has all the same packages for this stuff. you should have used the Devuan repos in your sources, even for non-free |
03:05.36 | Xenguy | Yeah, you should be able to get everything you need from Devuan sources |
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03:55.59 | genr8_ | I just installed devuan and I noticed something weird with the packages "gcc" and "gcc-8". I haven't changed anything really. |
03:57.28 | genr8_ | I did "apt get install linux-headers-4.19.0-14-amd64" and it auto-grabbed "gcc-8" version 8.3.0-6 (9,452KB) (from "deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64" repo) |
03:59.28 | genr8_ | then later on, I did "apt install gcc make autoconf automake" and instead of ignoring gcc, it re-grabbed ANOTHER "gcc" version 4:8.3.0-1 (5,196KB) from the same repo |
03:59.45 | adhoc | the package; build-essential |
04:00.04 | adhoc | would be the obvious place to start, as far as I know |
04:00.18 | genr8_ | ok but that doesnt exactly remove the concern here |
04:00.39 | adhoc | genr8_: should get the important packages you need to build thing like the kernel |
04:01.21 | adhoc | what does; which gcc |
04:01.23 | adhoc | return ? |
04:01.43 | rrq | genr8_: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=gcc=4:8.3.0-1 |
04:01.51 | adhoc | then run; gcc --version |
04:01.52 | genr8_ | ok but also, I notice on this build-essential metapackage, the same thing is happening for G++ and G++-8 |
04:02.22 | genr8_ | it chose both to install, and the versions are also 8.3.0-6 and 4:8.3.0-1 |
04:02.40 | genr8_ | gcc --version produces 8.3.0-6 |
04:02.43 | adhoc | one of them will be in the path. |
04:02.51 | rrq | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=g++=4:8.3.0-1 |
04:02.59 | rrq | look at the Depends: line |
04:03.57 | genr8_ | thats not a valid answer |
04:04.23 | adhoc | genr8_: does not matter in the big scheme of things |
04:04.56 | genr8_ | it should be investigated |
04:04.57 | adhoc | installing build-essential will give you a sensible OS default environment. |
04:05.37 | genr8_ | it does not convey good practices. judging by a "diff <(dpkg -L gcc) <(dpkg -L gcc-8)" they installed 95% of the same stuff but 5% is different |
04:06.02 | adhoc | genr8_: good, you have a neat little problem to solve, which is the metapacage and which is the compiler package? what is the chain? |
04:06.19 | genr8_ | thats the issue. they both are real packages. |
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04:06.58 | adhoc | genr8_: so long as they both produce valid executables? |
04:07.10 | genr8_ | not OK in my book |
04:07.23 | genr8_ | theres utility and plugin differences between the packages |
04:07.35 | genr8_ | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=gcc <--- this is only showing version 4:8.3.0-1 and not even showing 8.3.0-6 |
04:07.36 | adhoc | genr8_: it may suggest the kernel was built on a system with the minor version number different. |
04:07.40 | rrq | do you have an example of "the same stuff"? |
04:08.02 | genr8_ | do you want me to paste the output of that diff or something ? |
04:08.14 | rrq | one example is enough |
04:09.01 | genr8_ | libcc1.so liblto_plugin.so libcc1plugin.so |
04:09.50 | rrq | libcc1.so is from gcc-8 not gcc |
04:09.50 | genr8_ | c89-gcc c99-gcc |
04:10.10 | genr8_ | I see that. im saying theres 2 different packages here |
04:11.03 | rrq | those two are both from gcc |
04:11.15 | genr8_ | i see that. |
04:11.24 | genr8_ | when you run the diff command you will see also. |
04:11.26 | genr8_ | theres no reason to be having two REAL (non-meta) "gcc vs gcc-8" packages (with different versions, and different content) on 1 devuan. |
04:12.29 | rrq | ues, I don't know whether there is a reason. Apparently the Debian GCC Maintaners have some. |
04:12.51 | genr8_ | ok |
04:12.55 | genr8_ | so take it up with them ? |
04:13.37 | rrq | I would guess they would always beee keen on feeback for imporvements |
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04:14.09 | adhoc | genr8_: I would purge all the packages that are bothering you, start with build-essentail, then install the meta kernel-headers package |
04:14.45 | adhoc | pull the info from; dpkg --get-selections |
04:15.06 | adhoc | then you can do a diff, before/after |
04:15.22 | adhoc | and pull the package versions, depends out |
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04:24.19 | genr8_ | Ok i made a mistake here |
04:24.42 | genr8_ | [23:59:28] <genr8_> then later on, I did "apt install gcc make autoconf automake" and instead of ignoring gcc, it re-grabbed ANOTHER "gcc" version 4:8.3.0-1 (5,196KB) from the same repo <----------- the second one is 5,196 BYTES not kilobytes :/ |
04:25.12 | adhoc | is that one a meta package? |
04:25.50 | genr8_ | they call it a "dependency package" |
04:32.55 | adhoc | nods |
04:33.29 | adhoc | one day I'd like to get my head around why they version that package; 4:8.3.0-1 |
04:33.45 | adhoc | 8.3.0 is the version of gcc, |
04:33.52 | adhoc | what is the "4" ? |
04:34.39 | genr8_ | so my confusion was for nothing. i feel bad for bothering people |
04:34.45 | genr8_ | also: [00:34:19] <jmcnaught> genr8_: it's the epoch: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version |
04:35.06 | adhoc | genr8_: we all learn these things at some point |
04:35.27 | adhoc | never feel bad about the path to learning =) |
04:35.43 | adhoc | even of the initial reason for doing so, isn't the one you end up with ;) |
04:37.27 | genr8_ | true. |
04:37.52 | adhoc | there is a reason folks sit in this (and other) channels |
04:38.02 | adhoc | you learn things along the way |
04:38.07 | adhoc | and some times you can help |
04:38.36 | adhoc | some times you help and put both feel in it =P |
04:38.42 | adhoc | which I though I did |
04:39.09 | adhoc | but the important thing is, you got there in the end =) |
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04:57.34 | genr8_ | I have a better question |
04:58.54 | genr8_ | I thought I installed Devuan 3.1, but when I run "apt policy" it shows at 3.0.0 https://i.imgur.com/TCRjdyX.png |
04:59.17 | genr8_ | is there some other way to confirm 3.1 ? |
05:01.01 | adhoc | in /etc/ you will find a few files that have what the system things is the version it is running |
05:01.30 | adhoc | cat /etc/devuan_version |
05:01.44 | adhoc | cat /etc/debian_version |
05:02.07 | genr8_ | says "beowulf" 10.0 |
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05:02.24 | genr8_ | i dont think it likes keeping track of minor version number :P |
05:02.28 | adhoc | cat /etc/os-release |
05:03.00 | genr8_ | VERSION_ID="3" / VERSION="3 (beowulf)" |
05:03.07 | adhoc | I have PRETTY_NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux ascii" |
05:03.20 | adhoc | so not sure what happened in the next release |
05:03.50 | genr8_ | PRETTY_NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux 3 (beowulf)" |
05:04.01 | adhoc | ok |
05:04.34 | adhoc | once you have a major version installed, you can keep it up to date with; |
05:04.42 | adhoc | apt-get -yud dist-upgrade |
05:04.56 | genr8_ | it says its up to date. but i dont actually find 3.1 listed anywhere |
05:04.56 | adhoc | I am sure there are other ways, |
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05:17.16 | rrq | genr8_: well spotted. It should really say 3.1 |
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14:23.27 | naked_joe | hello guys. Please help me to understand. If i install Beovulf, how install postgresql 13? i am a newbee. |
14:24.07 | naked_joe | and nodejs latest? *.deb packages for debian 10 equivalent for Devuan? |
14:25.03 | djph | naked_joe: use whatever's in the repos, same as you would on Debian Stable |
14:26.04 | naked_joe | thanks for answer, What is name i need wrote? Example: sudo sh -c 'echo "deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt $(lsb_release -cs)-pgdg main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pgdg.list' |
14:26.04 | infobot | naked_joe: de rien |
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14:29.51 | Joril | naked_joe: buster |
14:30.23 | naked_joe | thanks |
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14:31.30 | naked_joe | openrc have runner script? Or need wrote himself? |
14:36.48 | naked_joe | if i install some server from Buster repo, OpenRC have sript for run service or need wrote? For example: apach, DB or ACPID... |
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19:26.26 | tarzeau | does tinysshd work/exist/install on devuan? can you share your /etc/init.d/tinysshd? (ok i could grab the package and check myself) |
19:28.04 | tarzeau | huh? https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=tinysshd=20190101-1 |
19:28.15 | tarzeau | i thought devuan is without systemd? |
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19:30.10 | fsmithred | yes, devuan is without systemd |
19:30.45 | tarzeau | all of it's packages are fixed to work without systemd as well? |
19:31.10 | fsmithred | we fork the debian packages that require systemd |
19:31.23 | fluffywolf | I take it the problem is that it doesn't include an init script? |
19:31.28 | fsmithred | the rest come from debian through our repo which filters out the banned packages |
19:31.40 | fsmithred | meanwhile, debian is starting to drop init scripts from packages |
19:32.03 | fsmithred | and they should be going into an orphaned-init-scripts package |
19:32.10 | fsmithred | not certain of the exact name |
19:32.59 | tarzeau | fsmithred: debian is not, some debian developers are maybe |
19:33.00 | fsmithred | looks like beowulf, chimaera and ceres all have the same version of tinysshd |
19:33.16 | tarzeau | an outdated one |
19:33.19 | fsmithred | I didn't want to name any names |
19:33.47 | tarzeau | whatever. i haven't written ini files since 25 years, and i'm not going to start again |
19:35.58 | fsmithred | tinysshd init script is not in orphan-sysvinit-scripts package |
19:36.30 | fsmithred | did you look for one upstream? |
19:37.34 | tarzeau | just shortly right now https://github.com/janmojzis/tinyssh and couldn't find one |
19:37.51 | tarzeau | my initscripts are cronjob entries with @reboot to start in a gnu screen |
19:37.58 | tarzeau | since like 15 years :) |
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21:38.31 | user_____ | Suggest a xfce4 compatible GUI program launcher which permits sudo launch, i.e. asks for root credentials before running the payload script? |
21:40.13 | user_____ | There;s kdesu and gksudo -- anything xfce4 themed? |
21:41.06 | user_____ | a separate kdesu program does not exist as a package. |
21:41.37 | user_____ | gksudo also not. |
21:42.31 | user_____ | there's lxqt-sudo |
21:43.51 | user_____ | which pulls in qt etc |
21:43.55 | user_____ | Anything else? |
21:58.19 | user_____ | I see this is a hard problem, also affecting Wayland users (can't run gui apps as root - for example gparted!) |
21:58.30 | user_____ | okay I'll find another way, thanks |
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23:37.08 | tuxd3v | hello, don't know how, but I got a file '/root/dead.letter' does this ever occurred to you? |
23:43.32 | adhoc | I seem to recall you get this when you start to compose an email but don't end up sending it |
23:43.43 | adhoc | has been a long time though |
23:44.22 | tuxd3v | that could be the case, as it seems to be a mail message :) |
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