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| 12:21.35 | lts- | Agreed, Full HD is two megapixels |
| 12:22.09 | lts- | (Sorry, offtopic & I didn't notice old timestamp. Bad me) |
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| 16:37.07 | nemo | any guides out there on migrating buster to beowulf? |
| 16:37.20 | nemo | I'd swear last time I did this I just switched sources but maybe I'm missing a key step |
| 16:37.26 | nemo | er. switched repos |
| 16:37.31 | nemo | or maybe was easier on ascii or something |
| 16:37.49 | nemo | systemd is the active init system, please switch to another before removing systemd. |
| 16:38.05 | nemo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.14 | nemo | soooo clearly I need to fix this ⺠|
| 16:38.32 | nemo | I guess I could just... force install everything and then force-remove systemd and cross my fingers? |
| 16:38.40 | nemo | at worst I have to reset the VPS |
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| 16:39.21 | gnu_srs1 | nemo: Why is initscripts not installed together with sysvinit-core? |
| 16:39.44 | nemo | gnu_srs1: guessing everything aborted when systemd removal fail |
| 16:40.49 | nemo | https://m8y.org/tmp/temp.txt |
| 16:41.16 | gnu_srs1 | you should install sysvinit-core and dependencies, and not remove systemd-sysv until you are running sysvinit |
| 16:42.31 | nemo | yeeeep |
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| 16:42.41 | nemo | gnu_srs1: I'm here to find out best way to do that |
| 16:42.46 | nemo | besides dpkg -i --force-all |
| 16:42.56 | gnu_srs1 | What does apt-get -s install sysvinit-core tell you? |
| 16:42.57 | nemo | don't want to do something that messes up apt config scripts |
| 16:43.11 | nemo | gnu_srs1: what you see in the file |
| 16:43.16 | nemo | and what I partially pasted above |
| 16:43.47 | nemo | guess I could try fix.. |
| 16:43.59 | nemo | hmm |
| 16:44.02 | nemo | that seems promising |
| 16:44.14 | nemo | coool |
| 16:44.19 | nemo | looks mostly sane |
| 16:45.16 | nemo | hm. still claims systemd is the "active init" |
| 16:45.21 | nemo | guess I can try rebooting and see what happens |
| 16:45.31 | nemo | at worst. reset, start over |
| 16:45.51 | gnu_srs1 | Yes, systemd is still active until you have rebooted. |
| 16:46.48 | nemo | it rebooted \o/ |
| 16:46.59 | nemo | I thiiink it's now beowulf. yay. |
| 16:47.43 | gnu_srs1 | congrats :) Now you can remove systemd stuff. |
| 16:47.54 | nemo | yep. did that. completed upgrade |
| 16:48.01 | nemo | rebooted again |
| 16:48.10 | nemo | nice new pure VPS ð |
| 16:48.12 | nemo | ready for another OVH fire |
| 16:48.14 | gnu_srs1 | Note that for a desktop you need elogind etc. |
| 16:48.24 | nemo | gnu_srs1: yeah, this one's just a remote toy |
| 16:48.47 | nemo | will put another webserver on it maybe |
| 16:51.21 | nemo | sooo FWIW, looks like from Debian 10 to Devuan 10 is just wget https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/devuan-keyring/devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb |
| 16:51.40 | nemo | and I guess doublecheck hashes, although always a chicken and egg thing in situation like this... SSL on devuan.org is kinda what I trust |
| 16:52.00 | lts- | I've had good experience with this guide. https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf |
| 16:52.04 | nemo | dpkg -i, replace sources.list, apt update, apt upgrade, fails as mentioned above, apt -f install, |
| 16:52.16 | nemo | lts-: hm... I didn't know there was a buster one. doh |
| 16:52.22 | nemo | should've just done that. oh well |
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| 16:58.28 | gnu_srs1 | Any developers around? In https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf eudev is recommended to install. |
| 16:58.52 | nemo | gnu_srs1: oh. the guide is out of date? |
| 16:59.01 | nemo | guess it's good I just blindly switched sources? ⺠|
| 16:59.21 | gnu_srs1 | That should not be needed since we have transitional udev packages depending on eudev ones. |
| 17:00.59 | lts- | If you're editing it, maybe replace wicd-gtk with dhcpcd or at least wicd-cli. The xfce and gnome installation commands are a bit out of place there too |
| 17:02.06 | gnu_srs1 | nemo: I think you did OK. It's OK to install sysvinit-sysv and rebooting within buster before changing to the Devuan repos. |
| 17:04.13 | xrogaan | (U[1.3572, 5] + U[1.3572, 5] )^3 = TriangularDistribution[2.7144, 10]^3 which ranges between 20 and 1000 . 50% of the values are between 148 and 409. |
| 17:04.13 | xrogaan | If you repeat the exercise with ( U[0.674641, 0.997631] + U[0.674641, 0.997631] )^10 then 10% of the numbers are between 20 and 55.3 // 15% of the numbers are between 55.3 and 95.5 // 25% of the numbers are between 95.5 and 171 // 25% of the numbers are between 171 and 296.5 // 15% of the numbers are between 296.5 and 471.6 // and 10% of the numbers are between 471.6 and 1000. 0.674641 = (1/2) 20^(1/10) BTW |
| 17:04.13 | xrogaan | U[a, b] is a uniform distribution of numbers between a and b which you get on some systems like a + (b-a) rnd() when rnd() is a uniform distribution between 0 and 1. |
| 17:04.18 | xrogaan | crap |
| 17:04.34 | xrogaan | damn clipboard failed me again |
| 17:05.11 | onefang | At least it wasn't an important password. |
| 17:06.00 | xrogaan | I meant to say e2fsprogs from debian backports requires libblkid1 (>= 2.36) but 2.33.1-0.1+devuan1~beowulf2 is installed |
| 17:07.14 | xrogaan | It's the whole ctrl+c/ctrl+v and middle mouse click clipboard thingy. I get confused between softwares. |
| 17:07.46 | nemo | heh |
| 17:07.52 | nemo | I've done that before |
| 17:07.57 | nemo | X paste buffer is darn handy though |
| 17:08.07 | nemo | esp if you really really don't want rich paste |
| 17:08.27 | nemo | also handy console utilities that work with it |
| 17:09.54 | xrogaan | Anyhow, are forked packages by devuan get their own backports in order to follow debian? |
| 17:10.33 | lts- | Most packages come from Debian directly |
| 17:11.43 | fsmithred | xrogaan, I don't know if we backport anything, but I assume those packages would be merged like everything else |
| 17:11.51 | fsmithred | i.e. in beowulf-backports |
| 17:12.40 | xrogaan | fsmithred: libblkid1 is forked by devuan, so I assume a devuan person would need to manually create the backport? |
| 17:12.52 | xrogaan | > 2.33.1-0.1+devuan1~beowulf2 |
| 17:12.53 | fsmithred | yes |
| 17:13.52 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.34 | xrogaan | is the repo supposed to be on git.devuan.org? |
| 17:16.57 | xrogaan | nevermind, it's util-linux and not libblk |
| 17:17.46 | xrogaan | Anyhow, is there an e-mail address where I can ask for the backport to be made? Is it the main dng list? |
| 17:18.23 | golinux | xrogaan: Devuan packages are here https://git.devuan.org/devuan |
| 17:18.56 | xrogaan | yeah, I was searching for libblk not realizing the package is part of util-linux. |
| 17:19.01 | fsmithred | maybe file a wishlist bug against util-linux |
| 17:19.06 | golinux | Feel free to backport the package |
| 17:23.00 | xrogaan | I am looking at https://www.devuan.org/os/development and I do not see how to make a bug report. Is it against util-linux on the gitea project? |
| 17:23.52 | fsmithred | email submit@bugs.devuan.org relevant subject, first lines of body: Package: util linux Version: 2.36.1-7+devuan1 |
| 17:24.09 | fsmithred | oh and probably Priority: wishlist |
| 17:24.15 | fsmithred | just to be nice |
| 17:24.20 | golinux | too slow again. :( |
| 17:25.12 | fsmithred | it looks like the version in beowulf was already backported, but I'm guessing because of the ~beowulf2 in the version. |
| 17:25.15 | iv4nshm4k0v | I gather that's Package: util-linux and Severity: wishlist respectively, right? |
| 17:25.28 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 17:25.31 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 17:26.41 | xrogaan | The website might need a "how to contribute" section. Specifically, generic information on how to adopt a package. Reading about the internet, I see a lot of people being put off contributing by how obscure the process is. |
| 17:28.10 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.18 | fsmithred | we have something like that on the forum |
| 17:28.51 | fsmithred | but bug site is appropriate because people often want to file bugs against packages we don't fork |
| 17:28.56 | xrogaan | My sources for util-linux is beowulf/main. If it were backported, wouldn't the channel be beowulf/backports ? |
| 17:29.33 | fsmithred | only if we put it in backports |
| 17:29.56 | fsmithred | the ~beowulf2 tells me it was build specifically for beowulf after beowulf went stable |
| 17:30.11 | fsmithred | so maybe a backport and maybe just a late fork |
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| 17:34.51 | xrogaan | something's fishing looking at debian's e2fsprogs |
| 17:34.58 | xrogaan | fishy* |
| 17:35.18 | xrogaan | https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/e2fsprogs |
| 17:35.55 | xrogaan | the dependency on libblkid1 2.36 is only there for AMD64 platforms, everybody else is fine using the older lib. |
| 17:36.38 | xrogaan | But libblkid1 2.36 isn't available in debian's backports, so e2fsprod should not be installable even on debian. |
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| 17:39.19 | fsmithred | what version of e2fsprogs are you looking at? |
| 17:40.40 | fsmithred | apt-cache show e2fsprogs=1.46.1-1~bpo10+1 |
| 17:41.04 | fsmithred | Pre-Depends: libblkid1 (>= 2.17.2) |
| 17:41.16 | fsmithred | Architecture: amd64 |
| 17:42.50 | fsmithred | aptitude would install the bpo version of e2fsprogs without upgrading util-linux |
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| 17:43.20 | fsmithred | are you getting errors when you try to install it? |
| 17:44.13 | xrogaan | 1.46.2-1~bpo10+1 |
| 17:44.47 | xrogaan | new version from yesterday: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1236400/accepted-e2fsprogs-1462-1bpo101-all-amd64-source-into-buster-backports-backports-policy-buster-backports/ |
| 17:44.47 | fsmithred | I don't see that one |
| 17:44.56 | fsmithred | yesterday after I updated |
| 17:44.58 | fsmithred | lol |
| 17:47.11 | fsmithred | yup, newer one needs newer libblkid1 |
| 17:48.04 | xrogaan | only for amd64 |
| 17:48.12 | fsmithred | that's kinda weird |
| 17:56.30 | Tenkawa | xrogaan: e2fsprogs needs libblkid for everything but sparc |
| 17:57.22 | Tenkawa | even in arm64: |
| 17:57.34 | Tenkawa | Pre-Depends: libblkid1 (>= 2.36), libc6 (>= 2.17), libcom-err2 (>= 1.43.9), libext2fs2 (= 1.46.2-1), libss2 (>= 1.38), libuuid1 (>= 2.16) |
| 17:58.50 | Tenkawa | dpkg -l | grep libblkid |
| 17:58.50 | Tenkawa | ii libblkid1:arm64 2.36.1-7 arm64 block device ID library |
| 17:59.13 | Tenkawa | dpkg -l | grep libblkid |
| 17:59.13 | Tenkawa | ii libblkid-dev:arm64 2.36.1-7+devuan1 arm64 block device ID library - headers |
| 17:59.13 | Tenkawa | ii libblkid1:arm64 2.36.1-7+devuan1 arm64 block device ID library |
| 17:59.27 | Tenkawa | 2 different arm64 boxes |
| 17:59.51 | Tenkawa | devuan and regular debian |
| 18:00.54 | golinux | xrogaan: There are pages in git about packaging. I'll try to track them down. |
| 18:01.50 | Tenkawa | when in doubt... my fallbacks.. apt-get -b source and dpkg-buildpackage :) |
| 18:01.58 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
| 18:02.22 | Tenkawa | (and of course tar;configure;make) |
| 18:03.35 | golinux | xrogaan: Here you go https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/maintainers |
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| 18:20.54 | fsmithred | I'd go with the bug report first. It might be a trivial matter to build it for beowulf-backports |
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| 18:26.24 | Tenkawa | fsmithred: what is the problem? there "is" a dependency on that for all architectures |
| 18:26.51 | fsmithred | there's a dep missing in backports |
| 18:26.58 | Tenkawa | what dep? |
| 18:27.10 | fsmithred | libblkid1 needed for e2fsprogs |
| 18:27.23 | Tenkawa | I see it |
| 18:27.29 | Tenkawa | which arch |
| 18:27.33 | fsmithred | but only for amd64. The i386 version will use the older libblkid1 |
| 18:27.52 | Tenkawa | thats a developer decision |
| 18:28.04 | fsmithred | https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/e2fsprogs |
| 18:28.37 | Tenkawa | I'm already looking at it |
| 18:31.29 | Tenkawa | there might already be something logged why they arent using the newer blkid version |
| 18:33.22 | Tenkawa | I run debian unstable so mine is already at 2.36.1 |
| 18:33.55 | fsmithred | I'm gonna try installing e2fsprogs from backports and see what happens |
| 18:34.27 | Tenkawa | honestly I'd avoid bavkports in general |
| 18:34.30 | Tenkawa | er backports |
| 18:34.37 | Tenkawa | if you can |
| 18:34.46 | fsmithred | yeah, I'm doing this in a disposable VM |
| 18:36.14 | Tenkawa | thanks for mentioning vm... I need to recompile my drivers |
| 18:37.04 | Tenkawa | 12 cpu threads on an i7 makes that go in about 10 seconds flat |
| 18:37.12 | Tenkawa | lol |
| 18:39.49 | fsmithred | no can do. It fails because it needs a newer version of libblkid1 |
| 18:40.41 | Tenkawa | yeah.. I figured it needed the newer version |
| 18:41.12 | Tenkawa | all the dependencies on my 2 systems were the same version |
| 18:41.28 | Tenkawa | between arch's |
| 18:41.43 | fsmithred | did you see that for i386? |
| 18:42.02 | Tenkawa | let me boot it and check |
| 18:43.20 | fsmithred | aha! The reason it would have worked on my real system is because I have chimaera repos enabled. |
| 18:43.45 | fsmithred | even though it's pinned, apt would have pulled in the new libblkid1 |
| 18:44.03 | Tenkawa | yeah I already did too.. let me rebuild this.. wont take 15 min on this machine |
| 18:44.16 | Tenkawa | i'll create a new vm |
| 18:45.02 | Tenkawa | ok new beowulf install |
| 18:45.07 | Tenkawa | no changes |
| 18:45.14 | Tenkawa | building now |
| 18:51.22 | Tenkawa | 2.33.1 |
| 18:52.48 | Tenkawa | beowulf is /etc/devuan_version |
| 18:52.56 | Tenkawa | brb 5 min |
| 18:57.22 | xrogaan | fsmithred: it's not missing in devuan, it's a debian problem. Thought it was made clear earlier. |
| 18:58.09 | fsmithred | yes, it's a debian problem, but if debian provides the backported util-linux, we still have to fork it |
| 18:58.21 | fsmithred | the bug report should go upstream, though |
| 19:00.17 | xrogaan | They don't though, that's the issue. |
| 19:01.14 | xrogaan | What is weird is how they backported e2fsprogs without making sure the dependencies were met. That's sloppy. |
| 19:02.48 | xrogaan | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=985296 |
| 19:03.33 | Tenkawa | look at the date |
| 19:03.45 | xrogaan | yesterday |
| 19:04.30 | fsmithred | yeah, let's see what maintainer says |
| 19:04.37 | xrogaan | The util-linux fork had me look at devuan's stuff, made me wonder about the forking process. Didn't bother to check debian until I came here to talk about it. |
| 19:04.38 | Tenkawa | yes.. I'm not convinced this is recreatable yet |
| 19:05.04 | Tenkawa | this hasn't been tested under "controlled" circumstances |
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| 19:05.21 | fsmithred | testing what? |
| 19:05.33 | Tenkawa | the bug reporter |
| 19:05.39 | Tenkawa | their setup |
| 19:05.58 | fsmithred | my setup is a new beowulf install in qemu |
| 19:06.06 | fsmithred | nothing fancy in the install |
| 19:06.25 | Tenkawa | what should I do to recreate this error then? |
| 19:06.26 | fsmithred | added backports and tried to install e2fsprogs, and it fails |
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| 19:06.37 | fsmithred | in amd64 |
| 19:06.43 | Tenkawa | why are you adding backports ? |
| 19:06.49 | Tenkawa | that makes no sense |
| 19:07.21 | Tenkawa | you are trying to override a system version pf a pkg |
| 19:07.23 | Tenkawa | er of |
| 19:07.24 | fsmithred | I didn't try it in i386 |
| 19:07.24 | fsmithred | to install e2fsprogs from backports |
| 19:07.24 | fsmithred | sure it does |
| 19:07.38 | fsmithred | if I want a newer version of e2fsprogs, I can install the one in beowulf-backports... |
| 19:07.46 | fsmithred | except it won't install because the dep is missing |
| 19:07.53 | xrogaan | It'll fail on all AMD64 platform. |
| 19:08.09 | xrogaan | Simply because the dependency isn't available. |
| 19:08.13 | fsmithred | yup |
| 19:08.27 | fsmithred | needs newer libblkid1 which is part of util-linux |
| 19:08.32 | Tenkawa | yes.. and it is going to until they clear it |
| 19:08.49 | Tenkawa | which has not made it to stable yet |
| 19:08.53 | Tenkawa | in debian |
| 19:09.07 | Tenkawa | for that version |
| 19:09.51 | Tenkawa | thats why mixing repos is generally "not a good idea" |
| 19:11.58 | Tenkawa | you certainly will need to get a pkg maintainer involved from debian to hope to upsteam push it forward and thats going to be a tough sell. |
| 19:12.31 | fsmithred | the bug was reported yesterday. I'm in favor of giving the guy time to read his mail. |
| 19:13.49 | Tenkawa | well the good news... its fixed in the next release already |
| 19:14.24 | Tenkawa | (in Debian) |
| 19:14.53 | fsmithred | in devuan, too |
| 19:15.31 | Tenkawa | oh yeah duh. we both noted our ceres installs had it listed right |
| 19:16.11 | Tenkawa | me and my shot memory |
| 19:16.21 | fsmithred | it'll probably be fixed in a few days |
| 19:16.58 | xrogaan | I don't understand how dependencies are declared. |
| 19:17.41 | fsmithred | I think it's the maintainer's call |
| 19:17.59 | fsmithred | but there must be some coordination to get stuff together for a release |
| 19:18.30 | xrogaan | I mean, how do you say "version x for AMD, version y for the rest"? |
| 19:18.38 | xrogaan | It's not clear by reading debian/control |
| 19:18.49 | fsmithred | I assume it depends on what's happening in the code |
| 19:19.15 | fsmithred | it is odd that different arches require different versions |
| 19:19.34 | Tenkawa | here;s an example |
| 19:19.37 | Tenkawa | python3 (>= 3.6), |
| 19:19.49 | Tenkawa | python3 must be version 3.6 |
| 19:19.53 | Tenkawa | or higher |
| 19:19.58 | Tenkawa | any arch |
| 19:20.11 | Tenkawa | fairly straightforward |
| 19:20.14 | xrogaan | Tenkawa: I'm reading: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/fs/ext2/e2fsprogs.git/tree/debian/control |
| 19:20.21 | Tenkawa | ok let me look |
| 19:22.11 | Tenkawa | thats a preprocesser control file |
| 19:22.25 | Tenkawa | thats meant to run with a package build |
| 19:22.36 | Tenkawa | it fills in numbers |
| 19:22.46 | Tenkawa | and the variables |
| 19:23.19 | Tenkawa | that runs with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:24.08 | Tenkawa | we use those in our image builder |
| 19:24.50 | Tenkawa | handy but a lot of initial setup |
| 19:26.04 | xrogaan | ... |
| 19:26.41 | Tenkawa | I like ones like this: pasting 3 lines |
| 19:26.43 | Tenkawa | Build-Depends: autotools-dev, |
| 19:26.43 | Tenkawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.43 | Tenkawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.49 | Tenkawa | where it just says |
| 19:26.58 | Tenkawa | easy to define |
| 19:35.52 | xrogaan | I don't know, it's still unclear how the dependency specific to AMD64 platforms comes from. |
| 19:42.48 | Tenkawa | its defined when the dependent package is built |
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| 19:51.13 | Tenkawa | fsmithred: which backports should I put in to recreate this problem? |
| 19:51.25 | fsmithred | beowulf-backports |
| 19:51.38 | Tenkawa | ok.. I'm going to test something |
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| 20:00.16 | xrogaan | so it's a util-linux issue? |
| 20:00.17 | Tenkawa | ok I added the beowulf-backports and reupdated apt and tried to get both libblkid1 and e2fsprogs and mine were already up to date |
| 20:00.42 | Tenkawa | yes |
| 20:01.29 | Tenkawa | I compiled it by hand on the debian side.. it looks like they may just have newer requirements now |
| 20:02.32 | Tenkawa | thing created 32 debs so hard to track which changes do what |
| 20:02.37 | fsmithred | apt -t beowulf-backports install e2fsprogs |
| 20:02.47 | Tenkawa | just in util-linx alone |
| 20:02.57 | Tenkawa | er util-linux |
| 20:03.14 | fsmithred | what did you compile? |
| 20:03.37 | fsmithred | what version of e2fsprogs do you have? |
| 20:04.42 | Tenkawa | blkid is part of: |
| 20:04.43 | Tenkawa | util-linux 2.36.1-7 (dsc) [4,271 B] |
| 20:05.32 | fsmithred | I'm trying to understand why you say e2fsprogs is up to date. |
| 20:05.35 | xrogaan | I think the dependency on 2.36 is the bug. |
| 20:05.35 | Tenkawa | remember.. I'm compiling on my debian box atm... the deuvan is completely bare |
| 20:05.37 | fsmithred | what version is it? |
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| 20:06.02 | xrogaan | so it's a buildpackage thingy that went awry. |
| 20:06.09 | fsmithred | maybe |
| 20:06.23 | Tenkawa | 1.44.5-1+deb10u3 |
| 20:06.32 | Tenkawa | more recent than devuan uses |
| 20:06.49 | fsmithred | that's the beowulf version |
| 20:06.59 | fsmithred | same as I have installed |
| 20:07.21 | fsmithred | i.e. devuan uses the same one as debian |
| 20:07.37 | Tenkawa | yeah.. i just noticed that.. that wasnt my unstable box |
| 20:07.39 | fsmithred | try installing the one from backports and you will need your backported libblkid1 |
| 20:07.50 | Tenkawa | I "did" |
| 20:07.50 | fsmithred | apt -t beowulf-backports install e2fsprogs |
| 20:07.53 | Tenkawa | in the vm! |
| 20:08.08 | Tenkawa | that wasnt the vm i just showed you |
| 20:08.15 | Tenkawa | that was debian |
| 20:08.30 | Tenkawa | the vm is bare devuan no modifications |
| 20:08.41 | Tenkawa | let me start it up again |
| 20:09.13 | fsmithred | beowulf or buster, try to add e2fsprogs from backports and it will fail. Assuming that's what you're trying to test. |
| 20:09.41 | Tenkawa | nope.. it worked fine |
| 20:09.52 | Tenkawa | it didnt try to add anything |
| 20:10.01 | Tenkawa | it said I had most recent |
| 20:10.14 | fsmithred | what command did you use? |
| 20:10.29 | Tenkawa | you tell me what command "you" want me to run |
| 20:10.37 | fsmithred | I did twice |
| 20:10.40 | fsmithred | apt -t beowulf-backports install e2fsprogs |
| 20:10.49 | fsmithred | change it to buster-backports if you're in debian |
| 20:10.58 | Tenkawa | and like I also said.. that is "very" dangerous |
| 20:11.06 | fsmithred | then add --simulate |
| 20:11.34 | fsmithred | I'm assuming that you are trying to reproduce the bug |
| 20:11.46 | Tenkawa | I only built this vm 30 min ago.. I dont care |
| 20:11.49 | fsmithred | I don't need you to do that. I already did it to my own satisfaction. |
| 20:12.01 | Tenkawa | I'm saying in general.. its very bad practice |
| 20:12.23 | fsmithred | I'm not recommending that you do it |
| 20:12.36 | fsmithred | just telling you how to reproduce the bug |
| 20:12.39 | Tenkawa | i'm stressing "noone" should |
| 20:12.47 | fsmithred | backports exists for a reason |
| 20:12.58 | fsmithred | people sometimes need newer versions of stuff |
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| 20:13.01 | Tenkawa | yeah... so people can be sloppy |
| 20:13.17 | fsmithred | it's linux. If you break it, you get to keep all the parts. |
| 20:13.56 | fsmithred | backports should be used selectively |
| 20:14.25 | fsmithred | the packages have never all been tested together |
| 20:15.17 | Tenkawa | ok.. now I recreated the error.. but I also think I see the problem |
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| 20:18.24 | Tenkawa | ok.. its definitely a bug |
| 20:18.38 | Tenkawa | they wrote the dependency wrong |
| 20:18.48 | Tenkawa | 2 of them |
| 20:18.51 | Tenkawa | not just 1 |
| 20:20.20 | Tenkawa | brb... going to test a workaround |
| 20:22.22 | xrogaan | you could also post your findings to the bug report I linked. |
| 20:24.37 | Tenkawa | the Predeps is whats bothering me |
| 20:29.19 | Tenkawa | it is "definitely" not compatible |
| 20:29.29 | Tenkawa | I forced it to install |
| 20:29.40 | Tenkawa | getting symbol errors running just tune2fs |
| 20:30.13 | Tenkawa | so I dont think that was a mistake |
| 20:30.43 | Tenkawa | they must have made major library changes |
| 20:33.26 | Tenkawa | it was very unhappy about those older versions |
| 20:35.22 | Tenkawa | be back shortly.. |
| 20:43.34 | Tenkawa | back |
| 20:46.53 | xrogaan | ok |
| 20:48.20 | Tenkawa | soon as I put that backported version of the e2fsprogs on it bombed bad |
| 20:49.10 | Tenkawa | (forcing it that is) |
| 20:49.52 | Tenkawa | so obviously there is "something" in that version of libblkid1 it needs |
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| 21:57.05 | xrogaan | golinux: it would be nice to make the document you linked available from the website. |
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| 22:09.19 | golinux | It could be added to the development page at https://www.devuan.org/os/development |
| 22:10.29 | golinux | xrogaan: ^^^ |
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| 23:19.44 | xrogaan | Well, probably? I don't know. |
| 23:20.15 | xrogaan | golinux: I would make a subsection on that page titled "How to contribute". |
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| 23:22.02 | xrogaan | You know, to categorize the information and not have it in a big lump. |
| 23:22.47 | xrogaan | Similarly, I would suggest moving the "old bug list" to an archive sub section. |
| 23:23.04 | xrogaan | What's the most relevant information somebody would want to find on the web page? |
| 23:25.59 | golinux | "Contribute covers more that development so not totally appropriate to that "Development" page |
| 23:26.17 | golinux | We need to keep things focused. |
| 23:27.16 | Xenguy | xrogaan: Feel free to /join #devuan-www. We appreciate all suggestions, and contributions : -) |
| 23:34.00 | golinux | xrogaan: Yes, please join in there. |
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