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| 00:42.59 | man_in_shack | what do you peeps use for managing your wifi connection? |
| 00:43.06 | man_in_shack | gnome-network-manager crap? |
| 00:43.10 | man_in_shack | or something good? (: |
| 00:45.49 | buZz | wicd is nice |
| 00:47.45 | man_in_shack | wicd is no longer in deb/devuan unstable it seems |
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| 01:10.34 | jonadab | uses a wired network. |
| 01:18.15 | DHE | if it's a fixed workstation, definitely. but you can install devuan on a laptop. |
| 01:18.33 | DHE | at least I hope so. plan to do it next week or so... |
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| 01:23.50 | fsmithred | there's also connman or ceni |
| 01:24.24 | fsmithred | yes you can install devuan on a laptop |
| 01:24.24 | DHE | I should write this down |
| 01:25.18 | fsmithred | I'm using network-manager now to see if I like it. It work. I miss wicd. |
| 01:26.11 | tuxd3v | uses wired connection, but for terminal 'ceni' works great |
| 01:26.48 | fsmithred | DHE, how new is the laptop? |
| 01:40.26 | DHE | crap. I think it's a year old HP with an i5 |
| 01:40.37 | DHE | 4 year old |
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| 01:49.42 | tuxd3v | time flies |
| 01:52.15 | fsmithred | that's good. Sometimes new stuff is not yet supported. |
| 01:52.37 | fsmithred | if you want to test it out, try the desktop-live iso |
| 01:53.02 | fsmithred | it has most of the wireless firmwares installed |
| 02:06.16 | DHE | I'm not worried about hardware compatibility. I got centos 6 working on it. |
| 02:06.45 | fsmithred | have you used the debian/devuan installer before? |
| 02:06.55 | DHE | yeah, on a server VM |
| 02:07.27 | daimon | haha getting centos6 working on anything is a miracle |
| 02:07.39 | DHE | 4 years ago? it was adequate |
| 02:08.04 | daimon | I have never had so much pain as CentOS6 installs have caused me |
| 02:08.25 | daimon | especially in regards to network adapters |
| 02:08.38 | daimon | and harddisk controllers |
| 02:16.14 | tuxd3v | 'ESC' key code is '\027' right? |
| 02:16.21 | tuxd3v | or I am missing something.. |
| 02:16.44 | DHE | it's 27 in decimal, which sound be something else in hex |
| 02:16.47 | DHE | er, octal |
| 02:16.48 | tuxd3v | I am with some problems getting 'ESC' events with newt library.. |
| 02:18.10 | tuxd3v | I will compile the library with that, many thanks :) |
| 02:49.42 | gnarface | 1B in hexadecimal, 33 in octal |
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| 05:43.27 | rgh[m] | man ascii |
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| 08:19.43 | mozhaaak | Hello, does devuan have support for linux efistub? |
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| 09:05.41 | gnarface | mozhaaak: stick around for a while, i'm not sure of the answer to that but someone will know |
| 09:05.56 | gnarface | (if debian has it, the answer is probably yes) |
| 09:27.45 | ErRandir | see https://wiki.debian.org/EFIStub |
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| 10:43.14 | mozhaaak | gnarface: Yes, I looked at it. Though I'm not able to find zz-efistub script |
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| 11:33.19 | gnarface | mozhaaak: did you try dpkg -S ? |
| 11:33.34 | gnarface | mozhaaak: maybe check in /usr/share/doc/[package name]/ |
| 11:33.45 | gnarface | or like /usr/share/doc/[package name]/examples/ |
| 11:33.56 | gnarface | i'm not familiar with it myself but sometimes stuff gets left in there |
| 11:37.00 | mozhaaak | gnarface: I wouldn't think locate / |grep efistub wasn't good enoug, though it is like nailing a nail with a shoe |
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| 14:29.00 | daimon | hey all how would I check the current clockrate of my cpu |
| 14:29.23 | daimon | in regards to speedstep etc |
| 14:32.20 | debdog | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.56 | daimon | ah nice |
| 14:33.12 | daimon | 4 cores all at totally different speeds lol |
| 14:33.28 | daimon | anyway I can find out what core an application is on and find out what speed that core is running at |
| 14:34.06 | debdog | there are tools like htop as well |
| 14:34.26 | daimon | installed! |
| 14:34.28 | daimon | lets see |
| 14:34.34 | debdog | esp. when it comes to processes it's much more helpful |
| 14:35.12 | daimon | I am in and found the application I am curious about |
| 14:35.20 | daimon | how do I find what CPU core its bound to |
| 14:36.08 | debdog | hmm, I am no expert there, but I don't think a precess is really 'bond' to any CPU |
| 14:36.15 | debdog | *process |
| 14:36.22 | daimon | ah is there a way I can force one to |
| 14:36.30 | daimon | I am curious what server I need to buy to host it is all |
| 14:36.35 | daimon | its an application I developed |
| 14:36.44 | daimon | CPU: 53.3 (80.0) |
| 14:36.54 | daimon | apparently it peaked at 80% usage, but its only at 40% load |
| 14:36.56 | daimon | at the moment |
| 14:37.25 | daimon | so I would like to leave it running 24 hours and get some details on exactly how bad processor wise its going to be in production :) |
| 14:37.28 | debdog | well, you can just monitor the process to figure out how much ressources it requires |
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| 14:38.20 | debdog | there is a highly configurable system monitor to set such things up, I just cannot recall its name :/ |
| 14:38.49 | debdog | I am sure others will know. just be patient, sometimes it is rather slow in here |
| 14:40.33 | daimon | eh its not to bad :) |
| 14:41.00 | daimon | one of the nice things about devuan is that its just a small enough community to actually be friendly to most people you bump into |
| 14:41.13 | daimon | larger distro's tend to carry a little more ... poison |
| 14:41.21 | daimon | possible exception for gentoo |
| 14:43.30 | Tenkawa | daimon: you can try to use taskset to assign cpu/process affinity |
| 14:45.07 | Tenkawa | sudo taskset -c -p 32694 |
| 14:45.07 | Tenkawa | pid 32694's current affinity list: 0-3 |
| 14:47.28 | daimon | ah nice! let me give that a go |
| 14:48.19 | daimon | pid 30601's current affinity list: 0-3 |
| 14:49.05 | daimon | 30601's |
| 14:49.08 | daimon | pid 30601's new affinity list: 3 |
| 14:49.17 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 14:49.24 | Tenkawa | neat eh? |
| 14:49.26 | onefang | I use collectd to collect lots of system info as RRD data, then graph it. There are LOTs of monitoring systems though, and all have some issue or another. |
| 14:49.27 | daimon | perfect! yes :) |
| 14:50.23 | Tenkawa | have to do it each time you run it but I think you can start it with that |
| 14:50.30 | daimon | this particualr application all I care about is cpu load, its pumping 6000-8000 JSON objects through its self |
| 14:50.40 | daimon | not much ram, nor much anything but a boat load of cpu |
| 14:50.45 | Tenkawa | possibly spawn the process with the taskset |
| 14:51.33 | Tenkawa | minimally batch it that soon as you do start it get the pid and switch it |
| 14:52.10 | daimon | I do not need to really care to much about batching |
| 14:52.21 | daimon | its a never ending task, the stream its reading is as far as it matters |
| 14:52.25 | daimon | infinite |
| 14:52.44 | daimon | this application will get deployed on three systems and that is all they will do for the rest of their natural life |
| 14:52.50 | Tenkawa | nod..ok so you have time to start it and manually switch it then? |
| 14:52.54 | daimon | yep |
| 14:52.55 | daimon | :) |
| 14:52.59 | Tenkawa | ok cool |
| 14:53.19 | daimon | there actually just stripping the protocol from secure websocket, to standard TCP |
| 14:53.38 | daimon | another application reads all three and 'raids' the data into a single consistent stream, there is three incase 1 or 2 fail |
| 14:54.09 | daimon | but it is a single threaded application |
| 14:54.13 | daimon | and that is ALOT of json |
| 14:54.17 | Tenkawa | heh oh joy heheh |
| 14:54.40 | daimon | the application that raids this lot is going to be fun! |
| 14:54.49 | Tenkawa | reminds me too much of my cobol batch processing days |
| 14:54.52 | daimon | :) |
| 14:55.03 | daimon | well its nearly cobol, its perl |
| 14:55.14 | Tenkawa | no!!!! run!!!!! |
| 14:55.17 | Tenkawa | lol |
| 14:55.17 | daimon | I did write it in .NET 5 as well, but it performed no better |
| 14:55.24 | daimon | infact ... nothing performed well |
| 14:55.31 | daimon | I even had to change the way the JSON was actually handled |
| 14:55.37 | daimon | https://i.itsosticky.com/1yjo9o1.png |
| 14:55.43 | Tenkawa | yeah been there (.net) too |
| 14:55.52 | daimon | instead of decoding he json I am doing an index/substr to extract the important data |
| 14:55.55 | daimon | significantly faster |
| 14:56.49 | daimon | and I can likely squeeze a little more from it, at the moment I am outputting things to STDERR/STDOUT for debug reasons which is fairly expensive |
| 14:57.05 | Tenkawa | yet another reason I stayed out of coding except when I "had" to (I'm a sysadmin/dba/network admin) |
| 14:58.10 | daimon | I set out wanting to be an infra guy (for FreeBSD), but because freebsd 4.x and earlier required perl to compile the kernel ... I picked it up |
| 14:58.21 | Tenkawa | hehehe |
| 14:58.24 | daimon | then someone said, hey I will give you some money for that knowledge! |
| 14:58.26 | daimon | :) |
| 14:58.37 | Tenkawa | I started way before then |
| 14:58.58 | Tenkawa | is an old geek |
| 14:59.05 | daimon | the earliest system I have memory of was a spectrum with twin tape drives, but I was 9 or something insane |
| 14:59.11 | daimon | maybe younger |
| 14:59.17 | daimon | I am 36 at the moment |
| 14:59.37 | Tenkawa | yeah I started on this stuff in 79 |
| 14:59.55 | Tenkawa | lol |
| 15:00.02 | daimon | ah so you must have a very long beard! |
| 15:00.05 | daimon | :) |
| 15:00.30 | Tenkawa | yeah I occasionally will get the ZZTop going lol |
| 15:01.02 | onefang | Think you have gone #devuan_offtopic. |
| 15:01.07 | daimon | you likely have some competition with all the covid stuff recently, I know all the remote working has made mine extend at least a few cms |
| 15:01.14 | Tenkawa | sorry |
| 15:01.20 | daimon | ah my apologies onefang |
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| 15:32.51 | tuxd3v | no one in #devuan_offtopic |
| 15:35.05 | Tenkawa | its - |
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| 15:47.09 | fsmithred | Expert install gives you a choice of generic initrd with all available drivers or targeted with just drivers needed for the installed system. How does one undo that choice after the install? |
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| 15:50.53 | iv4nshm4k0v | fsmithred: /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ? Mayhaps dpkg-reconfigure on the owning package as well. |
| 15:51.44 | fsmithred | iv4nshm4k0v, that's what I thought, but someone compared that file between two different initrds and saw no difference |
| 15:52.00 | fsmithred | I just did part of an install to get a targeted one to look at it myself |
| 15:55.36 | iv4nshm4k0v | fsmithred: I'm not sure I understand; what specifically do you observe and how that differs from what you expect? Also, I'm not familiar with the installer, so if the installer somehow fails to commit the user's choice into the initramfs.conf file, I won't probably be of any help. |
| 15:56.12 | fsmithred | there is a difference in size, but I'm trying to find the switch to undo that difference |
| 15:56.28 | fsmithred | from what I heard, a bunch of .ko files are missing |
| 15:56.43 | fsmithred | I'm trying to figure out how to include them in the next update-initramfs |
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| 16:00.32 | iv4nshm4k0v | fsmithred: bash$ diff -du -- <(zcat < small.initrd.img | cpio -t) <(zcat < big.initrd.img | cpio -t) ? Also, I'm not sure that update-initramfs /always/ rebuilds the initrd file. |
| 16:00.57 | fsmithred | I think I found something |
| 16:01.25 | fsmithred | file called driver-policy inside the targeted initrd says MODULES=dep |
| 16:01.50 | fsmithred | says it overrides whatever is set in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| 16:02.37 | iv4nshm4k0v | fsmithred: $ dpkg -S -- driver-policy ? |
| 16:03.11 | iv4nshm4k0v | I'd expect it to come from either someplace under /etc or /usr/share/initramfs-tools . |
| 16:03.23 | fsmithred | apt-file can't find it |
| 16:03.38 | fsmithred | and dpkg does not exist on that system yet |
| 16:04.01 | iv4nshm4k0v | fsmithred: No dpkg? How so? |
| 16:04.12 | fsmithred | still early in the install |
| 16:04.34 | iv4nshm4k0v | fsmithred: $ find /etc /usr/share/initramfs-tools -name driver-policy ? |
| 16:05.14 | fsmithred | yeah, it's in conf.d/ |
| 16:05.31 | fsmithred | so I can tell him to remove that file from the host system and update-initramfs -u |
| 16:05.36 | fsmithred | cool. Thanks for help. |
| 16:13.20 | fsmithred | yeah that works. Removing that file and rebuilding caused initrd.img to grow from 6.7M to 25M |
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| 21:04.05 | aitor_ | hi |
| 21:06.16 | aitor_ | I developed a new terminal emulator in Gtk2, i have it working on my system |
| 21:11.23 | aitor_ | the right click popup menu only has the clipboard features so far (copy&paste), but it'll be quite customizable, including an additional menu associated to the middle mouse button |
| 21:13.51 | aitor_ | my original idea was to develop a gui environment for live-sdk, but i ended up working on a new terminal |
| 21:14.34 | aitor_ | for *the* live-sdk |
| 21:15.23 | aitor_ | suggestions are welcome |
| 21:16.34 | aitor_ | for example, one would be able to customize the popup menu including his/her own most common git commands... |
| 21:18.36 | aitor_ | nobody here? |
| 21:18.47 | aitor_ | ok, time to dinner :) |
| 21:39.13 | jonadab | Do we have !tell in here? |
| 21:40.03 | jonadab | !tell aitor_ If you're developing this for X11-based systems, users will generally expect middle-click to paste from the current-selection buffer. |
| 21:40.39 | jonadab | Guess not. |
| 21:40.59 | jonadab | Well, he'll have to actually stay connected if he wants answers, then. |
| 21:43.20 | debdog | I think there's memoserv on freenode (for registered users) |
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| 21:45.01 | debdog | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19622671 |
| 21:46.06 | debdog | jonadab: ^ |
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| 21:59.19 | jonadab | Yeah, but users who show up, ask a question, and leave, are almost never registered. |
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| 22:02.42 | golinux | jonadab: FYI, aitor is the dev who provides the Mate desktop for Devuan. He doesn't post often and never stays long. He has a life . . . |
| 22:03.39 | golinux | Or is that Antofox |
| 22:03.49 | golinux | is old and confused . . . |
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| 22:10.52 | aitor_ | sorry jonadab, i'm here again |
| 22:11.18 | debdog | or he might read the log :D |
| 22:11.39 | aitor_ | golinux, yes, Antofox is the man who packaged mate-desktop |
| 22:13.36 | aitor_ | debdog, my nickname should be guadiana: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadiana |
| 22:15.10 | aitor_ | this spanish river appeares and disappears over time |
| 22:16.03 | debdog | hehe |
| 22:17.23 | gnarface | hey aitor_ are you also the guy behind wicd? |
| 22:19.04 | aitor_ | no... |
| 22:19.18 | aitor_ | *beyond :) |
| 22:19.30 | aitor_ | no, no, behind simple-netaid |
| 22:19.41 | golinux | And live-sdk? |
| 22:19.51 | aitor_ | a little bit |
| 22:20.22 | golinux | owes aitor an apology for being so forgetful . . . |
| 22:20.29 | tuxd3v | aitor_, you have impmenented wifi configuration of networks in simple-netaid? |
| 22:20.35 | golinux | sends a hug too |
| 22:21.09 | aitor_ | yes |
| 22:21.35 | tuxd3v | ho, so now we can use it intead of wicd, for ethernet and WIFI? |
| 22:21.51 | tuxd3v | Nice! :) |
| 22:22.21 | aitor_ | yes, i only use simple-netaid time ago |
| 22:23.03 | tuxd3v | what repos hold it? |
| 22:23.18 | tuxd3v | or it is only in guinos? |
| 22:23.27 | tuxd3v | gnuinos |
| 22:23.35 | aitor_ | yes, only in gnuinos beowulf |
| 22:24.01 | tuxd3v | does you have pictures of the interface? |
| 22:24.08 | tuxd3v | somewere, many thanks :9 |
| 22:24.11 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 22:24.35 | aitor_ | the isos already have an ncurses interface; but i'm also finishing the gui in gtk |
| 22:25.04 | tuxd3v | ho nice to hear that :) |
| 22:25.49 | aitor_ | the code is not updated: |
| 22:25.50 | aitor_ | https://gitea.devuan.dev/aitor_czr/simple-netaid-gtk |
| 22:26.15 | aitor_ | recently, i did several improvements |
| 22:27.42 | Xenguy | aitor_: wicd is disappearing (unless someone ports it from python2 to python3), so folks are looking around for an alternative these days |
| 22:28.16 | gnarface | yea, network-manager seems to be very polarizing and we need new options |
| 22:28.22 | Xenguy | network-manager is rather large for me, and I would prefer something less bloated |
| 22:28.28 | aitor_ | simple-netaid is quite stable |
| 22:28.32 | gnarface | well, i say we very loosely... i gave up on graphical network management a long time ago |
| 22:28.44 | gnarface | but i have faith for the childrens' future |
| 22:28.48 | Xenguy | hah |
| 22:29.01 | Xenguy | "For the children" |
| 22:29.26 | tuxd3v | aitor_, is has a simple and direct interface, seems very complete, and displays all the info we want, I mean I saw the pictures :) |
| 22:29.27 | aitor_ | network-manager and conman interfere with sysadmins |
| 22:29.35 | aitor_ | *connman |
| 22:29.35 | Xenguy | wicd has worked fine for me, though even it seemed rather buggy at time |
| 22:29.45 | Xenguy | *times |
| 22:30.10 | Xenguy | aitor_: How does connman interfere with sysadmins? |
| 22:30.52 | aitor_ | for instance, remaining in trying to connect again to the network |
| 22:31.12 | Xenguy | Huh |
| 22:32.10 | aitor_ | depending on the way the system has been disconnected, of course; it'll not happen if you used connman for that |
| 22:33.38 | aitor_ | i'm looking for an article i read time ago in the web, saying something like "for a suckless network manager", written by a sysadmin |
| 22:34.19 | aitor_ | on the other hand, all the existent network managers depend on dbus |
| 22:41.04 | aitor_ | golinux: pay no attention to the man behind the curtain |
| 22:41.21 | aitor_ | didn't you like nonsense gibberish? |
| 22:42.09 | aitor_ | ok, it's a silly taken from the code of the live-sdk, line nº 284: |
| 22:42.10 | aitor_ | https://github.com/parazyd/libdevuansdk/blob/7eb4f578833f4b093e224633176a12a214dec300/zlibs/helpers |
| 22:42.38 | aitor_ | as you can see, everybody can contribute to the code of the live-sdk |
| 22:43.18 | aitor_ | this is the most sensible part of the project... |
| 22:43.37 | aitor_ | bye :) |
| 22:46.08 | tuxd3v | hehhe that was nice :) |
| 22:46.40 | fsmithred | it's actually a quote from The Wizard of Oz |
| 22:46.59 | tuxd3v | ho :) |
| 22:47.09 | tuxd3v | I also liked: "A million hamsters are spinning their wheels right now" |
| 22:47.20 | tuxd3v | :D |
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