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| 08:30.26 | e3d3 | 2 questions: 1) synaptic package manager gives error messages (https://pastebin.com/CmngvCzC), if I understand well because the post-install script of linux-image-amd64 can't find grub, that is indeed installed on another distro. How can I get rid of this error messages ? |
| 08:31.24 | e3d3 | 2) What is the best way to transfer this system to a new sata hard disk ? |
| 08:33.23 | e3d3 | Current disk is bad aligned so I thought about coping it to a new/formated disk. |
| 08:33.34 | e3d3 | it = Devuan |
| 08:36.29 | e3d3 | For now Devuan will be the only distro on the new disk so it needs grub again. Maybe I can solve both isues at the same time ? |
| 08:48.37 | furrymcgee | grub, that is indeed installed on another distro? |
| 08:50.27 | e3d3 | yes, grub is managed by another distro |
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| 08:52.38 | xinomilo | copy devuan to new disk, chroot/boot devuan from a live usb, and install grub to the new hdd |
| 08:53.16 | e3d3 | what copy method do you advise ? |
| 08:54.26 | e3d3 | dd, cp, rsync ?? I normally only use cp :) |
| 08:54.44 | xinomilo | i use clonezilla but usually copy disk2disk, not partition2disk |
| 08:55.27 | xinomilo | sometimes a new install is faster, and you can just copy /home over.. :) |
| 08:56.27 | e3d3 | maybe the last is indeed the easiest, specially because I've made a snapshot just before or after the update |
| 08:56.56 | e3d3 | and if I remember well the Devuan install was easy peasy |
| 08:58.10 | e3d3 | and if I remember well clonezilla has a lot of required documentation |
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| 09:05.08 | e3d3 | xinomilo: Think I going to install from the snapshot and copy /home. Thanks for your answer. |
| 09:05.17 | furrymcgee | tar cC /mnt/old . | tar xC /mnt/new |
| 09:10.12 | e3d3 | thanks, but I need some time to decode tar commands. tar --help is >300 lines. |
| 09:10.59 | e3d3 | https://xkcd.com/1168/ |
| 09:14.05 | e3d3 | I have ^^^ this cartoon above my desk but still learn more tar usage than 'tar cfvz', that is; tar-zip stuff |
| 09:14.36 | e3d3 | ... but still have NOT learned more |
| 09:21.07 | e3d3 | thanks all for helping, and sharing the more than nice Devuan. Think I'll manage from here. |
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| 09:30.34 | sixwheeledbeast | I always look at that too logically and think why wouldn't you just "tar --help" :) |
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| 13:17.09 | adilix | hi all |
| 13:18.30 | adilix | can someone explain me how to install devuan , when i need a firmware? i cant install it without the rtxx.bin firmware, tried both isos the server cd1 and the network iso |
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| 13:47.00 | fsmithred | adilix, did you try ignoring that first question about firmware and proceeding? I think you need firmware-realtek which is included in all the isos. |
| 13:47.43 | bru | adilix: What version of Devuan are you trying to install? Because according to https://www.devuan.org/os/install , "Non-free firmware packages are available on all Beowulf install media." |
| 13:48.13 | bru | It could be that Jessie/ASCII installers don't have the packages you need |
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| 13:58.40 | adilix | i use the latest version 3.1 |
| 14:04.23 | adilix | if i remeber right i was running in a loop, but let me try to install it again |
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| 14:33.13 | adilix | so.... i am now on Detect hardware where it says Some of your Hardware needs non-free firmware..... in my case it the rt2860.bin , i confirm now with yes |
| 14:33.59 | fsmithred | NO |
| 14:34.16 | adilix | aaaa |
| 14:34.20 | fsmithred | you're still early in the install, right? |
| 14:34.25 | fsmithred | skip that |
| 14:34.26 | adilix | yes |
| 14:34.31 | adilix | ok |
| 14:34.36 | fsmithred | did you choose expert or regular install? |
| 14:35.06 | adilix | ok now i am on the selection between eth0 and wlan0 |
| 14:35.11 | adilix | regular install |
| 14:35.13 | fsmithred | if regular, the firmware should be installed automatically. If expert, you'll be asked if you want non-free. |
| 14:35.43 | adilix | i will choose now wlan0 as my default network interface |
| 14:35.45 | fsmithred | if you're going to choose a mirror, choose the interface you want to use. |
| 14:36.02 | fsmithred | ok, but eth is faster downloads if you're using a mirror. |
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| 14:37.22 | adilix | the problem is when i add my essid and password i run into a loop and i get asked again and again, because i get Attempting to find an available wireless network failed, so i believe there are no drivers for the card |
| 14:38.27 | xinomilo | ...or firmware bug or card issue... |
| 14:39.22 | fsmithred | sometimes the module needs to be reloaded |
| 14:39.33 | fsmithred | I think I've seen that with rtl |
| 14:39.36 | adilix | its more firmware bug , card is working flawlessly with an other linux installed on the machine |
| 14:39.47 | xinomilo | if you see wifi networks it's working.. maybe you need newer firmware |
| 14:40.44 | adilix | my other laptops and this one i try to install devuan are getting ip from wy virtoual router |
| 14:41.30 | fsmithred | are you installing in a VM? |
| 14:41.39 | adilix | i am not sure... it looks like the firmware doesnt gets loaded or so |
| 14:41.52 | adilix | no , on laptop asus eeepc 901 |
| 14:41.57 | fsmithred | alt-F4 should give you a console with output |
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| 14:42.05 | fsmithred | alt-F1 to return |
| 14:42.23 | adilix | aha we got it there is a problem with the firmware |
| 14:43.59 | adilix | kernel: [ 463.542661 ] rt2800pci 0000:01:00.0: Direct firmware load for rt2860.bin failed with error -2 |
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| 14:44.49 | adilix | and what now? |
| 14:45.03 | adilix | should i go for 3.0 beowulf ntwrok installer |
| 14:46.08 | fsmithred | go for install without network and add the firmware after |
| 14:46.33 | fsmithred | if apt can't find it on the media, you can still get to it manually - it's in /firmware |
| 14:47.04 | fsmithred | apt install firmware-realtek |
| 14:47.11 | fsmithred | ^^^ after reboot into new system |
| 14:48.17 | fsmithred | do you know for a fact that the 3.0 isos work on this machine? |
| 14:48.20 | adilix | wou mean i should download the cd1 server cd |
| 14:48.34 | adilix | i dont know |
| 14:48.52 | xinomilo | i think firmware-ralink |
| 14:49.05 | xinomilo | https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 14:49.43 | fsmithred | oh, maybe. |
| 14:50.30 | adilix | do you think it will work ? i think it would be the same thing if i install the firmware afterwards |
| 14:57.09 | fsmithred | yeah, I think you have a better chance. Other option is to force the hardware detect again. |
| 14:57.33 | fsmithred | that's a little trickier, especially since I don't remember the files you need to delete. |
| 14:58.19 | fsmithred | is using a network cable an option? That would be faster. |
| 14:59.51 | adilix | yeah i have cable option, but i need the wlan later on when i am going out and so on |
| 15:00.06 | fsmithred | you will be able to install it later |
| 15:03.25 | adilix | ok, just downloading the server cd |
| 15:09.15 | fsmithred | I thought you had it already |
| 15:09.35 | fsmithred | any of the installer isos will do a netinstall |
| 15:11.42 | adilix | good to know, but i had the netinstall atm here |
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| 16:28.03 | adilix | where can i download the firmware package, any repo link? |
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| 16:56.29 | adilix | can someone send me this one https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=firmware-ralink=20190114-2 |
| 16:56.49 | adilix | i cant download it |
| 16:57.42 | golinux | adilix: Try pkgmaster.devuan.org |
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| 17:04.33 | adilix | hmmm no firmware-ralink https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/f/ |
| 17:07.16 | adilix | can i use the package from debian |
| 17:16.51 | golinux | It would be in non-free |
| 17:31.45 | adilix | there iks no such folder |
| 17:32.21 | adilix | normally it should be in pool/main/non-free like in debian |
| 17:33.13 | plasma41 | adilix: non-free is not a subset of main, but rather a neighp |
| 17:33.41 | plasma41 | adilix: non-free is not a subset of main, but rather a neighbor set of main along with contrib |
| 17:34.54 | plasma41 | grumbles something about "keyboard layouts" |
| 17:35.15 | adilix | i need to download the package |
| 17:36.30 | adilix | like so http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/?C=S;O=A can i download it from this sit |
| 17:48.13 | adilix | are these correct settings? |
| 17:48.18 | adilix | https://www.devuan.org/os/packages |
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| 17:53.23 | golinux | Yes but take note of this after the examples: |
| 17:53.30 | golinux | Note that all software shipped with Devuan in the main component is free software. But if needed, non-free software is also available. Just add the non-free and contrib components to the appropriate line(s) in /etc/apt/sources.list like this: |
| 17:53.30 | golinux | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main non-free contrib |
| 18:16.53 | tuxd3v | adilix, what is your device? |
| 18:43.35 | adilix | all ok thx, finally i got the network to work (cable) |
| 18:44.16 | adilix | but when i try to install firmware-ralink i get Unable to locate package .... |
| 18:46.20 | adilix | got it |
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| 22:05.36 | mes | does anyone know of a list of mirrors for apt? |
| 22:06.46 | plasma41 | mes: see https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan |
| 22:07.22 | onefang | That's the ISO mirrors, for apt package mirrors - https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt |
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| 22:09.38 | mes | I did see the get-devuan page but onefang is right most at least are iso mirrors |
| 22:11.44 | mes | berkeley.edu is 35ms, but mirror is empty |
| 22:12.16 | onefang | Yes, they have been very slack on actually getting it set up. |
| 22:13.09 | onefang | And I've been very slack on getting people to fix their mirrors. lol |
| 22:13.26 | fsmithred | package mirror list is on pkgmaster.devuan.org |
| 22:13.36 | fsmithred | mirrors.txt pretty sure |
| 22:14.02 | onefang | I said that already fsmithred, B-) |
| 22:14.35 | fsmithred | sorry, I just got done spending a couple hours getting windows xp and samba to cooperate with the printer |
| 22:14.53 | fsmithred | feeling shell-shocked |
| 22:15.22 | onefang | Yeah, that'll kill brain cells. No worries. |
| 22:16.06 | mes | looks like dev.beard.ly is only one on this side of the Atlantic, (or Pacific) |
| 22:17.09 | fsmithred | if you're in the eastern half, some of the euro mirrors are fast |
| 22:17.49 | onefang | I think there is South American mirrors from memory. |
| 22:22.15 | mes | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.21 | onefang | They are slightly less slack than berkeley.edu. |
| 22:26.10 | mes | I'm on Vancouver Island where I'm doing the build out. Instance will ultimately go to a linode in Cali. Anyone have a suggestion in europe? |
| 22:27.19 | onefang | devuan.c3sl.ufpr.br is in Brazil, sledjhamr.org in Netherlands (my own server) is always good. |
| 22:27.41 | onefang | devuan.c3sl.ufpr.br is in the middle of updating right now though. |
| 22:28.04 | mes | I should ask if linode would be willing to host a mirror. |
| 22:28.16 | onefang | That would be cool. |
| 22:29.12 | mes | It isn't a prebuilt option right now, but I wouldn't be surprised if it got used if it were. |
| 22:30.31 | fsmithred | ungliech.ch ? is pretty fast |
| 22:31.31 | fsmithred | sledj rulz |
| 22:32.17 | onefang | Brazil is closer to Vancouver, so might have less ping time. |
| 22:32.37 | onefang | smiles at fsmithred's endorsement. |
| 22:33.45 | mes | for me sledjhamr.org is 160 - 260 ms, same for mirror.ungleich.ch |
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| 22:36.32 | mes | devuan.c3sl.ufpr.br is slower, I bet it is actually farther away as the plane flies and who knows where the cables run |
| 22:37.43 | onefang | Sledjhamr.org is in Iron Mountain in Amsterdam, very well located for Internet. |
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| 22:46.06 | mes | sledjhamr.org it is, much faster than the default |
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| 23:04.50 | bru | mes: I thought it was empty until I set the URL to the merged directory, which is roughly up-to-date |
| 23:05.20 | bru | For instance my sources.list is "deb http://espejito.fder.edu.uy/devuan/merged chimaera main non-free contrib" |
| 23:06.33 | bru | ... Although it seems that Berkeley's site is really empty |
| 23:08.07 | onefang | Berkeley joined us as an ISO mirror, and kinda tacked on package mirror as an afterthought, then just dropped it, sorta. They kept promising me they'll pull their finger out. |
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