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| 10:51.31 | polar_flux | hello |
| 10:51.55 | polar_flux | Where can I get hold of xen-tools? |
| 10:54.27 | debdog | apt-get install xen-tools (or your question lacks info) |
| 10:55.30 | polar_flux | Thanks. I tried. |
| 10:55.44 | polar_flux | I configured sources and so on. |
| 10:56.43 | polar_flux | I get a lot of messages about failure to fetch and failure to resolve. |
| 10:57.38 | polar_flux | Other packages were found ok. I installed xen domu already, on top of Beowulf, on a server. |
| 10:58.54 | polar_flux | The merged/pool branch is not showing on deb.devuan.org |
| 11:01.35 | polar_flux | I suppose I can get source from somewhere, but I am new to devuan. |
| 11:02.32 | polar_flux | I've used linux for ages, and got solaris sys admin cert before Oracle stamped on it...so I can find my way around. |
| 11:03.54 | polar_flux | I just can't find much documentation, and when codebases are close but different, then I could be climbing up the wrong tree for ages. |
| 11:08.20 | gnarface | polar_flux: first thing you should do is just try again. there are temporary failures often |
| 11:08.43 | gnarface | there's possibly an issue with your sources.list, too |
| 11:10.46 | gnarface | if you paste your sources.list to paste.debian.net someone here can sanity check it for you |
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| 11:10.53 | deldenzen | test |
| 11:10.59 | deldenzen | alright irc works |
| 11:11.07 | deldenzen | was wondering where i can get a minimal devuan iso? |
| 11:11.27 | gnarface | there was a mini.iso |
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| 11:11.54 | deldenzen | was is past tense so im assuming there is no mini iso anymore |
| 11:11.57 | deldenzen | thats sad |
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| 11:12.25 | gnarface | maybe there still is, try here: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/minimal-live/ |
| 11:13.03 | gnarface | maybe this is it and they just renamed it |
| 11:16.28 | rrq | https://www.devuan.org is not a bad place to start |
| 11:25.17 | fsmithred | mini isos are in the debian-installer tree |
| 11:26.12 | fsmithred | not quite... |
| 11:26.17 | fsmithred | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
| 11:26.25 | fsmithred | go up and over for i386 |
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| 11:27.19 | deldenzen | oh yeah baby lets go |
| 11:27.24 | deldenzen | @fsmithred, thanks! |
| 11:27.31 | polar_flux | @gnarface : Thanks, I tried variations. I pasted into paste bin..with my name...do I just send? |
| 11:29.06 | fsmithred | deldenzen, I'm not certain if that is still good. If there have been kernel changes since Feb 2, it might not work. If that's the case, use the netinstall iso. |
| 11:29.12 | gnarface | polar_flux: please use paste.debian.net because there's no ads, and no, don't put your name in it |
| 11:29.19 | polar_flux | number 1187042. |
| 11:29.30 | polar_flux | My user name is on it |
| 11:29.48 | polar_flux | in the name field. |
| 11:30.11 | deldenzen | @fsmithred, i could just update the kernel after installing it right? |
| 11:30.13 | deldenzen | manually? |
| 11:32.04 | gnarface | polar_flux: you probably don't want to just leave backports uncommented while you're not using it, but i dont' see anything else obviously wrong with it.... must be something else |
| 11:32.50 | fsmithred | deldenzen, you won't get through the installation if kernel does not match modules |
| 11:33.14 | polar_flux | I enabled backports to try...I didn't expect a change because the error messages were referencing a branch which is not present at deb.devuan.org |
| 11:33.14 | gnarface | polar_flux: have you tried it a second time since then? just run "apt-get update" again? |
| 11:33.14 | fsmithred | It happens early, so you won't waste a whole lot of time. |
| 11:33.39 | deldenzen | no i mean install a newer kernel AFTER installing everything and rebooting |
| 11:34.18 | fsmithred | the kernel in the iso must match the modules in the repo or you won't complete the install. |
| 11:34.31 | fsmithred | it's only been a few weeks, so it should be good. |
| 11:35.16 | polar_flux | @gnarface: I tried with --fix-missing too. Thanks for your help. I will try to download some DEB packages. Then just use a different distro for the Xen host. |
| 11:36.51 | deldenzen | got it |
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| 11:52.39 | gnarface | polar_flux: well, the package might be broken too, but it seems weird... i still suspect you have a different issue |
| 11:53.46 | gnarface | polar_flux: here's the IPs i get right now for deb.devuan.org: https://paste.debian.net/1187047/ |
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| 11:54.20 | fsmithred | gnarface, I just gave him the package mirror list to select a different mirror |
| 11:54.41 | gnarface | oh ok |
| 11:55.19 | fsmithred | I see the package and aptitude says it would install it for me |
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| 11:56.45 | polar_flux | @gnarface : got pointers from devuan-dev, relating to mirrors. They also pointed to a different directory with the package. Thanks again. |
| 12:00.02 | fsmithred | different directory? |
| 12:08.30 | polar_flux | @fsmithred : no worries. Different directory to which the error messages were pointing me. |
| 12:09.04 | fsmithred | polar_flux, can you get it now? |
| 12:11.26 | polar_flux | I will, but I've been at it since 02:30, and I can see sunlight outside. I'll get back onto it in the dark. |
| 12:12.02 | polar_flux | I'm on a different server. |
| 12:12.33 | polar_flux | They are proliants and they take their time to post. |
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| 12:16.31 | polar_flux | I copied all the information. |
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| 17:33.14 | eyalroz | Ok, peops... I've found the culprit for my audio output device switching to HDMI... |
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| 17:33.26 | eyalroz | gnarf_08: In case you're interested... |
| 17:33.48 | eyalroz | There's a setting for this in /etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 17:33.57 | eyalroz | (which is textual, not binary...) |
| 17:34.15 | eyalroz | It's a pulseaudio module... load-module module-switch-on-port-available |
| 17:39.19 | fsmithred | eyalroz, did you change the line or did you comment it out? |
| 17:40.17 | eyalroz | fsmithred: Commented it out just now and reloaded. Actually, I still haven't verified this does the trick |
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| 17:40.24 | eyalroz | but "AskUbuntu" says it should. |
| 17:40.49 | fsmithred | they are often right |
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| 17:47.48 | eyalroz | I wonder if Devuan shouldn't, by default, have automatic default output audio device switching disabled. |
| 17:48.39 | fsmithred | what does it mean? |
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| 17:55.57 | eyalroz | fsmithred: What does what mean? |
| 17:56.12 | eyalroz | I mean, that the configuration file should ship with that line disabled by default |
| 17:56.23 | eyalroz | Actually, I'm just writing the PA package maintainers suggests this. |
| 17:56.25 | fsmithred | what does it do? |
| 17:56.32 | fsmithred | and who does it do it to? |
| 17:56.50 | eyalroz | fsmithred: Just a second. |
| 17:57.05 | eyalroz | I'm writing this up and will paste a link. |
| 17:57.10 | fsmithred | cool, thanks |
| 17:57.25 | xinomilo | python3-libvirt 7.0.0 uploaded in ceres/sid, conflicts with libvirt0 6.7.0-3+devuan1 |
| 17:58.38 | xinomilo | just a note, don't know if a bug report is needed (?) |
| 18:00.14 | fsmithred | not sure if a bug report is needed, but that's the second one today |
| 18:00.28 | eyalroz | fsmithred: https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/636044/34868 |
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| 18:03.14 | fsmithred | eyalroz, so the edit causes it not to switch if a new device becomes available |
| 18:03.21 | fsmithred | and it uses whatever device it used last |
| 18:03.26 | fsmithred | I assume |
| 18:03.27 | eyalroz | fsmithred: Yes, exactly. |
| 18:03.37 | fsmithred | so what if it never used a device before? |
| 18:03.45 | fsmithred | what does it do? |
| 18:04.09 | fsmithred | tricky to test that |
| 18:04.44 | eyalroz | fsmithred: 1. I don't know. 2. It will likely choose some arbitrary default, which is not qualitatively different than what it does now, as it sees multiple available devices when it starts up. |
| 18:05.28 | eyalroz | I realize that, on a laptopt, auto-switching may be quite useful, |
| 18:05.32 | fsmithred | I'm concerned that it may need you to tell it to pick an available device |
| 18:05.42 | fsmithred | if it doesn't already know |
| 18:05.53 | fsmithred | which would cause it to fail for everyone the first time |
| 18:06.27 | eyalroz | fsmithred: That's a reasonable concern. Although even if you don't need to tell it that, it might still be "failing" by choosing something invalid. |
| 18:07.15 | eyalroz | I've just written pkg-pulseaudio-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org about this. |
| 18:07.22 | fsmithred | I'm going to save the link and content of |
| 18:07.25 | fsmithred | oh, good. |
| 18:07.32 | fsmithred | They probably know the answer. |
| 18:07.43 | eyalroz | I wonder if it's possible to create exceptions to the default-device-switching |
| 18:08.12 | fsmithred | at the very least this info will get onto the forum and future wiki and maybe future release notes |
| 18:08.36 | fsmithred | a little checkbox would be nice |
| 18:08.56 | eyalroz | By the way - when I restarted pulseaudio, it arbitrary chose some device - which wasn't the last device I had selected, |
| 18:09.30 | fsmithred | so it's still doing the same thing, or different now? |
| 18:10.11 | eyalroz | fsmithred: I still don't know. I'll need to reboot to be 100% sure. |
| 18:10.21 | fsmithred | ok |
| 18:10.43 | eyalroz | a little checkbox would be nice <- You mean in pavucontrol? Yes, but I'd want this choice during the package configuration on installation |
| 18:11.26 | fsmithred | :) |
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| 19:07.06 | scoofy | so... here is how a typical system restart scenario plays out in systemd-linux: |
| 19:07.22 | scoofy | '$ reboot now'. system hangs after some time, black screen. |
| 19:07.48 | scoofy | press ctr-alt-del. message appears, waiting for zramswap, timeout: [0/35s] |
| 19:08.12 | scoofy | waited the timeout. then new timeout appears: [0 / 2min 5s] |
| 19:08.40 | scoofy | ctrl-alt-del restarts the timer. so start pressing ctrl-alt-del like crazy |
| 19:09.03 | scoofy | warning message appears: "you have pressed ctrl-alt-del more than 7 times in 2 seconds. forcing reboot" |
| 19:09.26 | scoofy | system still hangs. unresponsive. unplug device from socket |
| 19:09.41 | scoofy | plug device back in. congracts. you have sucessfully rebooted. |
| 19:11.05 | scoofy | the fact that "ctrl-alt-del more than 7 times in 2 seconds" is a special command means that the devs thought you'll at some point start pressing ctrl-alt-del like crazy, and made that into a function. (that still failed tho) |
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| 19:13.54 | scoofy | should have tried sysrq but there's no sysrq key on this mini keyboard |
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| 19:18.28 | DHE | did you still have shell access? |
| 19:20.52 | scoofy | nope. ttys unresponsive |
| 19:21.15 | scoofy | no prompt, nothing |
| 19:22.09 | scoofy | i encountered bugs with zramswap earlier (i was testing that). made the reboot fail. |
| 19:31.03 | scoofy | albeit i was testing how much can i push zramswap to the limit. that crashes too (dunno if that a kernel bug or what) |
| 19:32.01 | scoofy | page file read errors (from zram) made the subsequent reboot fail |
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