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| 00:00.33 | Xenguy | fsmithred: Way up-buffer you were mentioning aptitude's 'why' command, and I thought that was so cool that I just installed aptitude, which cost me a few seconds of time and 15 Mb of diskspace, *just* for that 1 command : -) |
| 00:02.02 | Xenguy | Also read a very well written/explained article today on 'apt' syntax, and am going to start using it instead of apt-get and apt-cache for awhile, just for a test drive. |
| 00:02.40 | numzob | turtles all the way down |
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| 00:06.17 | Xenguy | numzob: familiar with the phrase, but how does it apply here? |
| 00:07.49 | numzob | when i first started with debian, i used the gui front end for package management, i forget what it was called. then eventually I moved to aptitude, the ncurse one... |
| 00:08.13 | Xenguy | Aha, gotcha... |
| 00:08.17 | numzob | then I moved to apt-get and apt cache, but i know there is dpkg and apt and it's still a bit confusing |
| 00:08.46 | Xenguy | dselect I think |
| 00:08.53 | onefang | Pressure is on you now rrq, you are a good example that others watch. B-) |
| 00:08.57 | numzob | so i wonder, even now, what is the real package manager under everything |
| 00:09.02 | Xenguy | That's the one I first started with |
| 00:09.10 | mason | numzob: dselect? |
| 00:09.16 | mason | dselect, Xenguy beat me to it |
| 00:09.19 | mason | I used to use that. |
| 00:09.34 | numzob | i didn't know that |
| 00:09.37 | Xenguy | Actually took me a minute to remember its name; it's been awhile |
| 00:09.40 | fsmithred | dpkg |
| 00:10.10 | fsmithred | I do remember dselect |
| 00:10.31 | Xenguy | People always complained about that tool, but I thought it worked fine |
| 00:12.08 | fsmithred | that was my first exposure to installing debian after coming from suse and redhat |
| 00:12.15 | fsmithred | anyway: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=511 |
| 00:12.25 | mason | bbiab, dinner |
| 00:12.37 | fsmithred | some nifty aptitude commands in that thread |
| 00:13.48 | Xenguy | Interesting... |
| 00:14.40 | Xenguy | I do recall deciding that aptitude and I were not going to be best friends when I saw the weird search syntax. Ghastly 8 -D |
| 00:15.06 | fsmithred | yeah, that's why I posted it - so I could find it easily |
| 00:16.15 | Xenguy | They say the syntax was inspired by mutt, which I used and loved, except for that aspect of it |
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| 01:09.39 | gabriel_ | is there a package to download the virtio windows drivers image? |
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| 01:29.46 | Xenguy | rodper45: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ <-- good site to search for, er, package info |
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| 01:49.58 | dagal | short update on my experiment installing Devuan's root on zfs: i got to install it all in zfs, but managed to mess up grub configuration because i'm a noob, so it won't boot yet |
| 01:50.27 | dagal | 95% sure it's fixable, but will probably do it another day, kind of tired now |
| 01:52.57 | gnarface | dagal: while you were gone someone mentioned you should just use the packages in beowulf-backports |
| 01:53.04 | mason | dagal: 18:10 < mason> If dagal comes back, someone should note that it's not necessary - Devuan has beowulf-backports that'll work just fine if he wants ZFS via DKMS. |
| 01:53.32 | dagal | i couldn't find zfs there, only the fuse version |
| 01:53.59 | mason | dagal: As for GRUB, it can presumably read different sorts of ZFS, but I let my initramfs handle that, and park the initramfs either in my ESP (UEFI) or an MD-RAID1 /boot |
| 01:55.06 | mason | dagal: https://bpa.st/RCKQ |
| 01:55.35 | dagal | oh wow |
| 01:55.58 | dagal | i could've sworn i've added the repo and searched |
| 01:56.35 | mason | dagal: Did you use -t to turn it on for the search? |
| 01:56.42 | dagal | no |
| 01:56.49 | dagal | is it deprioritized by default? |
| 01:56.51 | mason | And did you 'apt update' after adding it to your source.list? |
| 01:56.58 | mason | yes, as it should be |
| 01:56.59 | dagal | pretty sure i did |
| 01:57.00 | mason | given what it is |
| 01:57.01 | dagal | lemme check the log |
| 01:57.39 | mason | FWIW, I think I'm going back to custom kernels here. |
| 01:58.34 | dagal | yep, did update, but didn't search with -t |
| 01:58.49 | mason | dagal: You probably want to keep it off by default. Safer. |
| 01:58.59 | mason | You don't want random backports things creeping in unnoticed. |
| 01:59.46 | dagal | maybe after installing I'll remove it |
| 01:59.55 | dagal | but then again, VMs are for breaking :-) |
| 01:59.58 | mason | dagal: Nah, keep it around for updates, but don't enable it explicitly. |
| 02:02.54 | mason | FWIW, I tend not to use ZFS inside VMs. I use zvols as backing store for VMs, and I snapshot the zvols. |
| 02:04.32 | dagal | oh i'm aware it's not very beneficial, it's just for playing around |
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| 02:11.02 | mason | Perfectly valid then. |
| 02:11.19 | mason | If you have questions, I'm the local zealot. Also, there's #zfsonlinux that's very friendly. |
| 02:11.31 | mason | dagal: ^ sorry, lagged and then replied without a highlight |
| 02:13.49 | dagal | thanks a lot! |
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