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| 01:37.42 | systemdlete | Still not having any luck with my webcam on refracta beowulf. I'd appreciate help with this. |
| 01:38.01 | systemdlete | I am trying "cheese" to see if it will capture video, but it doesn't |
| 01:38.40 | systemdlete | This is running in a VM; on the host by itself it works. Possibly another vbox problem, not surprising, but maybe someone knows something about this already. |
| 01:50.03 | numzob | wow, googled "refracta" and learned something new |
| 01:50.41 | gnarface | systemdlete: i would expect you have to fix permissions in and out of the guest, as well as specifically assign the usb device to the guest |
| 01:50.50 | gnarface | systemdlete: but i don't know crap about vbox |
| 01:51.07 | numzob | and i know crap about webcams |
| 01:51.36 | gnarface | make sure you have v4l2-ctl and uvcdynctl and related tools available in the guest |
| 01:52.35 | gnarface | and make sure a pre-recorded clip of the same format will play in the guest too |
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| 02:31.40 | gnarface | i think there's been problems with vbox before where the solution was just to use an older vbox version? |
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| 04:14.38 | systemdlete | gnarface: vbox is the only major software platform whose quality improvements seems to run backwards by release. |
| 04:14.58 | systemdlete | They continually "improve" the UI, but not the UX. |
| 04:15.36 | systemdlete | One other solution I keep having people nag me with is to drop vbox altogether -- and I've been experimenting with that approach also. |
| 04:16.10 | systemdlete | The main problem is that for the networking I have currently in vbox, under kvm, I will end up with more bridges than Portland, OR. |
| 04:16.40 | systemdlete | (Hint: Virtualized network switches, folks!) |
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| 04:46.29 | Guest4 | i want to try using pdksh as my interactive shell |
| 04:46.55 | mason | Guest4: Works well. I've used it for years. |
| 04:46.59 | Guest4 | i've been thinking about it and i realize that command history is probably helpful |
| 04:47.27 | Guest4 | i do like dash and will probably use it for scripts |
| 04:47.49 | mason | Yep, sticking to POSIX is the right thing for scripts, but dash falls short as a user shell. |
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| 05:05.50 | rrq | mason: pm ? |
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| 06:04.19 | fling | Which command for checking if network is up? |
| 06:04.36 | fling | I mean I need to wait in a script until an interface gets the ip address with dhcp |
| 06:04.40 | fling | I have dhcpcd installed |
| 06:10.03 | ukine | fling: $>ip addr show |
| 06:10.08 | ukine | might give you usable info |
| 06:10.53 | n4dir | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-check-network-adapter-status-in-linux/ |
| 06:11.06 | n4dir | cat /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate |
| 06:11.16 | fling | is not there some 'service â¦' command? |
| 06:11.16 | ukine | there you go |
| 06:11.23 | ukine | sounds a lot more concise of an output |
| 06:11.27 | fling | thanks |
| 06:11.35 | fling | n4dir: this works |
| 06:12.25 | n4dir | well, my first idea was something like /etc/inet.d/networking status; that failed, then it bugged me, then i searched the web |
| 06:12.36 | n4dir | whenever i will need it i will have forgotten it again :-) |
| 06:12.44 | ukine | heh |
| 06:13.33 | n4dir | point of the ramble: i don't know how reliable that is in real life situation. Only found the link |
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| 07:57.01 | fling | n4dir: ukine: it shows up with no ip address |
| 07:57.09 | fling | you are wrong, sorry! |
| 07:58.07 | n4dir | yeah, as said, i got no experience with it in real life |
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| 07:59.30 | n4dir | wait, you want to know the ip address? or you just want to know if it is up? |
| 08:00.27 | fling | I don't know if it is up or not |
| 08:00.38 | fling | I want to wait until it gets an ip address |
| 08:00.47 | n4dir | and /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate doesn't tell you? |
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| 08:04.44 | fling | scripted with lxc instead |
| 08:04.51 | fling | /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate is always up |
| 08:08.11 | n4dir | carrier? |
| 08:08.23 | n4dir | .../carrier; that is |
| 08:11.10 | fling | carrier shows 1 all the time too |
| 08:11.14 | fling | don't need it anymore |
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| 11:44.13 | mns` | Good Morning! |
| 11:57.44 | mns` | Guys, which desktop environments are available in the devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-desktop iso image? |
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| 12:35.57 | mns` | also, downloads from torrent doesn't works |
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| 12:50.51 | fsmithred | mns`, xfce, mate, cinnamon, kde should all be in the dvd. If you want lxde, you can get it from repo after installing a base system. |
| 12:51.42 | fsmithred | torrent was working a couple weeks ago when we updated the torrent file. |
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| 12:54.55 | fsmithred | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf.torrent |
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| 13:11.40 | fsmithred | mns`, I just tested the torrent file and the magnet link. Neither worked in transmission but both worked in qbittorrent. |
| 13:16.42 | xinomilo | .torrent works on transmission here (ceres) |
| 13:17.05 | xinomilo | this brings even more seeders : https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=26940#p26940 |
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| 13:24.36 | mns` | fsmithred: oh, thanks. I'm already downloading from -> https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-desktop.iso |
| 13:27.19 | mns` | fsmithred: Now that I have some time left. I think I will contribute to kde on devuan |
| 13:30.12 | mns` | Guess i should go with Chimaera or Ceres, in a VM |
| 13:30.39 | mns` | xinomilo: thanks |
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| 13:44.31 | fsmithred | go with chimaera or ceres if you're ok with breakage. Current stable is beowulf. |
| 13:46.08 | mns` | If i fix something in ceres, it goes -> testing (chimaera) right? |
| 13:46.09 | fsmithred | although I don't hear about much breakage. |
| 13:46.34 | fsmithred | yes |
| 13:46.54 | fsmithred | what do you want to fix? |
| 13:49.03 | mns` | Nice, i'll tryit in a VM first. If i got a working desktop (I need for my university tasks) i'll install it on the metal |
| 13:50.19 | mns` | fsmithred: I just want to contribute to devuan whatever i can. And since i'm now interested in kde... |
| 13:50.52 | fsmithred | ok. I don't think we've forked any kde packages. |
| 13:51.05 | fsmithred | but hang around and you'll figure out something that needs to be done. |
| 13:51.19 | fsmithred | the list keeps growing |
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| 13:51.49 | mns` | fsmithred: I'll have a look to see if the state o the kde desktop in devuan without systemd, is the same as debian. |
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| 13:52.36 | fsmithred | good start. I haven't tried kde in chimaera. |
| 13:53.13 | mns` | fsmithred: Ok, I'll do my homework :) |
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| 14:37.53 | sgage | I have spent a fair amount of time in KDE in Chimaera, |
| 14:38.05 | sgage | and it seems to be working quite well. |
| 14:41.30 | mns` | Nice |
| 14:43.14 | mason | Ah, I missed Guest4, but if he comes back asking about shells, I tried noting in a PM that oksh is my favourite of the local crop, and building it's not painful. |
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| 16:34.14 | xrogaan | Is Chimaera stable enough to be usable as a desktop environment? |
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| 16:39.53 | gnarface | probably not |
| 16:39.57 | sgage | It is my daily driver, as the kool kidz say. |
| 16:39.59 | fsmithred | xrogaan, some people are using it |
| 16:40.09 | fsmithred | it or ceres and pretty happy with it |
| 16:40.13 | gnarface | i think people are using it, but i remember 3 people having trouble trying it just yesterday alone |
| 16:40.20 | sgage | I have virtually zero problems with it. |
| 16:40.38 | fsmithred | I have chimaera on an old thinkpad and it works well. I don't use it for a lot. |
| 16:40.42 | sgage | I use MATE and KDE as DE's |
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| 16:40.46 | fsmithred | xfce here |
| 16:41.15 | fsmithred | a lot of the devuan packages have been done for ceres/chimaera. |
| 16:41.27 | fsmithred | but yeah, it's possible to have trouble. |
| 16:41.51 | fsmithred | try it in a VM first to see if what you want is working. |
| 16:41.59 | sgage | Everyone pushes different parts of the envelope. |
| 16:42.19 | fsmithred | yeah, let us know if something is broken |
| 16:42.36 | sgage | It seems my use case is not that challenging. |
| 16:42.59 | sgage | I'm talking my personal desktop, not a mission-critical server :-) |
| 16:44.23 | fsmithred | I'm just using the thinkpad for video conference |
| 16:44.27 | xrogaan | I'm pretty tired of the outdated software, like xfce stuck in a 6 years old version. But I don't want to be bleeding edge for most things. |
| 16:45.14 | fsmithred | well, suspend on lid closing did not work in beowulf without jumping through hoops. I upgraded to chiaera and it just works. |
| 16:45.57 | fsmithred | I think the mouse control might still suck. |
| 16:46.04 | xrogaan | xfce 4.14 came out literally weeks after debian's buster and that's reason alone to not integrate it. Sorry for being cranky, just find the idea a bit silly at time. |
| 16:46.09 | fsmithred | trackpad works fine |
| 16:46.14 | xrogaan | anyhow, gotta make diner. Cya. |
| 16:46.25 | fsmithred | bye |
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| 17:30.01 | c-dog | hello * - is anyone else noticing DNS timeouts when trying to connect to deb.devuan.org? |
| 17:31.50 | c-dog | According to mxtools and other web based DNS tools, the DNS for deb.devuan.org is misconfigured - "ns3.devuan.dev is listed as a nameserver for deb.devuan.org but can't be found" |
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| 17:48.50 | gnarface | c-dog: can confirm. looks like ns3 is down |
| 17:49.20 | c-dog | yeah, it's weird. ns3 comes and goes intermittently for me |
| 17:49.23 | gnarface | fsmithred: ns3.devuan.org is not responding to dns queries anymore (on ipv4, anyway) |
| 17:49.34 | gnarface | fsmithred: it's up though, i can ping it |
| 17:49.47 | gnarface | ns2 is fine still |
| 17:51.13 | c-dog | thanks for the info. at least those that need to know, know now. unfortunately, I have to run apt-get update repeatedly until the DNS eventually resolves |
| 17:51.52 | xrogaan | c-dog: you could redirect ns3 to ns2 IP in your /etc/hosts |
| 17:52.25 | xrogaan | may not fully understand the issue |
| 17:53.12 | gnarface | nah, that would work |
| 17:53.24 | gnarface | not an ideal solution though |
| 17:53.30 | c-dog | it would if you didn't have a set up like me :) |
| 17:55.01 | onefang | You could pick a mirror from https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt |
| 17:55.22 | xrogaan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:17.55 | fsmithred | gnarface, thanks, I passed the word on to those who can do. |
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| 19:00.12 | scramblez | I can no longer use root to login on console, or via a terminal in GUI. I tried resetting the passwd, even deleting it from shadow file, but still can't use root. What is the correct way to reset the root passwd on devuan? |
| 19:03.49 | djph | be root, then run passwd |
| 19:05.15 | scramblez | Right, I've booted as rw and init=/bin/bash, then changed the passwd and tried to login as root on the console. Authentication failed! |
| 19:06.04 | scramblez | When I try sudo as plain user, it complains my user is not in the sudoers file. :-( |
| 19:06.38 | scramblez | The question remains, why won't it allow me to login as root? And, why 'su -' also fails in a terminal? |
| 19:12.21 | scramblez | On the console it returns "Login incorrect", although I keep entering the recently changed passwd. |
| 19:12.54 | DashiePie | have you tried previously correct passwords to see if it actually changed the password? |
| 19:13.36 | scramblez | DashiePie: I can't remember the original passwd for root. Last time I used it was 2 months ago or so,. |
| 19:14.28 | scramblez | However resetting it should take and if I delete it completely from the /etc/shadow file it should allow me to login as root without asking for a passwd, yes? |
| 19:14.40 | scramblez | Neither worked. :( |
| 19:15.07 | DashiePie | try your user password |
| 19:15.44 | scramblez | "Login incorrect" ... sigh |
| 19:16.01 | DashiePie | I wouldn't know what it resets it to, unless it's the default for the graphical installer |
| 19:16.26 | scramblez | toor |
| 19:16.27 | scramblez | ? |
| 19:16.43 | scramblez | I thought the installer root passwd is locked? |
| 19:16.46 | DashiePie | I can't remember, I didn't even use that kind |
| 19:17.06 | DashiePie | you can change the password in the graphical installer, and they recommend you do it, according to the guide |
| 19:17.23 | scramblez | This is so weird! I've never had such a problem before. |
| 19:17.51 | DashiePie | either way, I don't really know the inner workings, so if it's something more than common sense, I wouldn't know where to point you except for maybe fsmithred |
| 19:18.22 | scramblez | I'm about to give up on common sense. LOL! |
| 19:19.06 | scramblez | I'm booting with a Ubuntu LiveISO now to chroot into it. |
| 19:19.36 | scramblez | Is there something in Devuan stopping root from login on a console? I'm sure I've logged in like this before. |
| 19:19.51 | fsmithred | what iso did you use to install devuan? |
| 19:20.04 | scramblez | The netinstall from what I recall |
| 19:20.08 | fsmithred | and no, we don't do anything to block root |
| 19:20.36 | scramblez | Why wouldn't a changed root passwd take and fail to login? |
| 19:20.40 | fsmithred | you could chroot from netinstall iso, but buntu should work, too |
| 19:20.51 | gnarface | scramblez: add "single" to the kernel command-line, reboot, run "passwd" after verifying your CAPS LOCK KEY IS OFF, then reboot again |
| 19:20.54 | fsmithred | was that before or after you edited shadow? |
| 19:21.21 | scramblez | gnarface: will do, thanks |
| 19:21.30 | gnarface | scramblez: oh, i guess you'll probably need to reboot, then add "single" from the grub prompt |
| 19:21.31 | scramblez | fsmithred: both before and after. |
| 19:22.12 | gnarface | scramblez: before you follow my advice, put the shadow file back the way it was. i don't know what the failure case would be if it is missing |
| 19:22.14 | fsmithred | you didn't get 'command not found' when you ran passwd? |
| 19:22.28 | scramblez | Nope. |
| 19:22.38 | fsmithred | ok, so not the usual path problem with root |
| 19:23.22 | gnarface | disabling root is a feature the netinstaller can engage, but iirc just setting a root password enables it again. |
| 19:23.23 | scramblez | I changed the kernel line in GRUB to rw and init=/bin/bash, then changed the passwd. I've repeated this half a dozen times so far. |
| 19:24.14 | gnarface | make sure nothing else is in your removable drive bays |
| 19:24.49 | gnarface | xlock will warn you if your capslock key is on but nothing else will |
| 19:25.50 | scramblez | All I'm thinking is the GRUB keyboard is different to the devuan console. :-/ |
| 19:26.11 | scramblez | I'll try changing it with the Ubuntu liveiso just now and see if I can get in |
| 19:27.18 | fsmithred | while you're in there, you might add your user to the sudo group. You can remove yourself later if you don't need it. |
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| 19:32.04 | gnarface | yea, sudo should work in theory too |
| 19:33.53 | scramblez | I'm fast losing the will to live ... LOL! |
| 19:34.43 | scramblez | adding single to the kernel options is no good - it asks for root passwd. |
| 19:34.59 | scramblez | I don't have capitals on, as you can see. |
| 19:35.21 | scramblez | I don't honestly know what else to try. |
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| 19:37.41 | scramblez | OK, I reset it for the last time to a simple passwd for now. Let's see if this takes. |
| 19:37.59 | scramblez | YES! :-D |
| 19:38.08 | scramblez | What the ...?! |
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| 19:39.15 | scramblez | OK, and was able to change it too, to a different passwd. Hmm ... |
| 19:40.14 | scramblez | Now su - from a terminal in the GUI ... |
| 19:40.40 | scramblez | It works! |
| 19:42.45 | scramblez | I'd like cairo-dock to launch when I start xfce, but I always end up starting it manually. Any idea why this is so? |
| 19:44.49 | fsmithred | you added it to the startup apps in xfce? |
| 19:46.27 | scramblez | I think I had done that - also selected the option to launch at start up from its own menu |
| 19:46.44 | scramblez | Rebooting now ... on new kernel ... |
| 19:46.48 | scramblez | holding breath |
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| 19:49.32 | gnarface | key mapping difference is not impossible as a cause for this, if you're not using the defaults |
| 19:49.40 | gnarface | especially if you have a weird keyboard |
| 19:49.56 | gnarface | "single" would have worked though if you did it right |
| 19:50.09 | gnarface | you would have had to do it from the grub prompt itself (press "e" to edit a menu entry) |
| 19:51.05 | scramblez | gnarface: that's what I thought too - anyway it seems to work now. |
| 19:51.18 | scramblez | Perhaps it didn't like too long a passwd? |
| 19:51.40 | gnarface | i've verified passwords in excess of 72 characters in length, but not recently |
| 19:52.01 | scramblez | fsmithred: should I add "/usr/bin/cairo-dock" or "cairo-dock-session"? |
| 19:52.12 | fsmithred | I don't know |
| 19:52.24 | fsmithred | I would try each in a terminal to see what it does |
| 19:52.31 | gnarface | it's more likely some punctuation key or other non-alphanumeric is sending a different symbol at the grub prompt than your system setting, unless you're using utf8 or iso-8859-1 |
| 19:52.34 | fsmithred | or maybe read docs if you like words |
| 19:52.40 | scramblez | Heh! "cairo-dock" worked. :-) |
| 19:53.30 | scramblez | gnarface: it's a VM in QEMU - the host has UTF8 |
| 19:53.45 | scramblez | Thanks guys, appreciate your help! |
| 19:53.55 | scramblez | Got to run. |
| 19:53.59 | gnarface | oh, in a VM? hmm, that could be related.... anyway, something is going on there still that looks self-inflicted, but what is important is that it's doing what you want for now |
| 19:54.51 | scramblez | gnarface: yes, I just couldn't understand why changing the passwd to a long string wouldn't take, but a short temporary passwd did. |
| 19:54.52 | fsmithred | qemu with vnc? |
| 19:54.57 | gnarface | in a VM, the possibility that you're not even saving to the disk image you think you are loading comes up... |
| 19:55.07 | scramblez | No VNC, just qemu. |
| 19:55.29 | scramblez | gnarface: this is the only devuan guest. |
| 19:55.45 | scramblez | I may reinstall at a later point, to get it booting in EFI |
| 19:55.56 | scramblez | OK, got to run - thanks again! |
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