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| 14:59.59 | me-sudoer-dentne | today ill be installing devuan |
| 15:00.12 | me-sudoer-dentne | anyone wants to give me some heads up |
| 15:00.27 | me-sudoer-dentne | so that i dont messup |
| 15:00.40 | VulcanRidr | Morning or other timezine approproate greeting. Is it possible to run nvidia drivers on beowulf? I get a ton of unmet dependencies when I apt-get install nvidia-driver. Things like nvidia-installer-cleanup, nvidia-legacy-check, nvidia-driver-libs, etc. Is there a dedicated repo for the nvidia stuff? |
| 15:02.06 | me-sudoer-dentne | are you sure you checked with the 'non-free firmware' part on the official website of devuan? |
| 15:06.25 | VulcanRidr | me-sudoer-dentne: I didn't even know it existed. I was going from https://gist.github.com/Kreyren/cccf642ce672fd8f127ed128cf27749b |
| 15:06.56 | me-sudoer-dentne | ok |
| 15:11.01 | VulcanRidr | I found the non-free firmware section in the Beowulf release notes, but it specifically mentions networking hardware. |
| 15:11.19 | gnarface | you need non-free and contrib for nvidia drivers, just like with debian |
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| 15:12.19 | VulcanRidr | I have this in my sources.list: |
| 15:12.52 | gnarface | use paste.debian.net please |
| 15:13.05 | gnarface | you'll get kicked for spamming if you paste more than 3 lines |
| 15:13.20 | VulcanRidr | I was only going to paste one line, but I can paste the whole thing. Moment. |
| 15:15.59 | VulcanRidr | http://paste.debian.net/1182247/ |
| 15:20.25 | gnarface | change it to this: https://paste.debian.net/1182250/ |
| 15:21.03 | gnarface | dunno if your line #11 is even syntactically accurate, but it's redundant anyway if not, and you're missing contrib |
| 15:22.12 | gnarface | you might not need contrib, but there's not much else that can cause this problem besides that or packages from the wrong repo |
| 15:22.31 | gnarface | you didn't mix other versions of debian or devuan or ubuntu with this? |
| 15:22.41 | gnarface | even backports from the previous release might get in the way and need to be removed |
| 15:23.03 | gnarface | it's important you distinguish the missing dependencies errors from being the wrong versions or not existent in the repo at all |
| 15:23.27 | VulcanRidr | No. Clean Beowulf install. |
| 15:23.57 | VulcanRidr | Yeah, that works much better. :) |
| 15:27.45 | gnarface | me-sudoer-dentne: the experience shouldn't be different from debian except that the installer includes the non-free wifi firmware |
| 15:29.02 | me-sudoer-dentne | and could you please confirm it has support for amd stoney igpu |
| 15:29.24 | me-sudoer-dentne | it has been even a headache for debian installation |
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| 15:35.47 | gnarface | ugh, i hate it when they don't wait for an answer |
| 15:36.18 | gnarface | if me-sudoer-dentne comes back, tell them i don't know but there's a backports kernel and firmware that should |
| 15:36.38 | brocashelm | maybe the headache got worse |
| 15:40.10 | gnarface | you need the backports kernel and nvidia drivers for anything in the 10XX series or newer, too |
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| 15:52.58 | KREYREN | VulcanRidr, someone found my gist helpful? O.o |
| 15:54.01 | KREYREN | also pretty sure that that pinning no longer works |
| 16:02.49 | VulcanRidr | KREYREN: Well, it wasn't perfect, but it pointed me in the right direction. |
| 16:03.03 | KREYREN | ^-^ |
| 16:03.18 | KREYREN | consider updating the docs i flagged it as outdated |
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| 16:21.47 | VulcanRidr | On beowulf, what is the preferred sound system? |
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| 16:42.20 | Guest62209 | anyone know which version of the amdgpu-pro drivers works on beowulf? |
| 16:51.34 | fsmithred | xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu: 18.1.99+git20190207-1 |
| 16:52.28 | fsmithred | Guest62209, ^^^ also see pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 16:53.10 | Guest62209 | i need something that'll get cycles working in blender |
| 16:53.41 | fsmithred | I don't know what that means |
| 16:53.48 | Guest62209 | opencl 2.0+ |
| 16:53.48 | fsmithred | I do know what blender is |
| 16:54.08 | Guest62209 | itsa jewish dating app for linux |
| 16:54.09 | fsmithred | 19.1 is in chimaera/ceres |
| 16:54.21 | fsmithred | blender??? |
| 16:54.23 | Guest62209 | ye |
| 16:54.26 | fsmithred | is a video editor |
| 16:54.50 | fsmithred | blender - Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer |
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| 17:48.19 | gnarface | do we think he was actually looking for amdgpu-pro, or maybe he meant firmware-amd-graphics from non-free? everyone i've asked who should know says the amdgpu-pro driver isn't maintained anymore |
| 17:49.42 | fsmithred | maybe, I don't know |
| 17:50.37 | fsmithred | I got thrown off by blender. |
| 17:50.43 | gnarface | that's where i started at with this, so my suspicion is that it's a common error |
| 17:51.45 | gnarface | however, even if he had it installed, he'd probably need to know to install some specific *libopencl* packages too |
| 17:52.12 | gnarface | i can't imagine if blender supported opencl it'd be through any other libarary |
| 17:53.01 | nemo | gnarface: hm. I could've helped him I guess, since I installed amdgpu-pro in beowulf |
| 17:53.05 | nemo | but. too late now |
| 17:53.15 | gnarface | nemo: which kernel? |
| 17:53.21 | nemo | whatever the default is |
| 17:53.27 | gnarface | hmm, 4.19 i think? |
| 17:53.32 | nemo | sounds right |
| 17:53.48 | gnarface | hmm, news to me they have support for that new of a kernel, i had assumed they stopped before that |
| 17:54.32 | nemo | gnarface: well. you could be right. I think I switched to chimæra specifically because of ubuntu 18.04/devuan mismatches after debian bumped the kernel last fall |
| 17:54.47 | nemo | it worked for a while though ⺠|
| 17:55.27 | nemo | gnarface: https://m8y.org/tmp/amdgpu.html I think I linked to my little description of what that was all about before. |
| 17:55.48 | gnarface | nemo: i'd readily believe you got away with installing it on a beowulf install with the 4.9 kernel left over from ascii |
| 17:56.31 | nemo | no |
| 17:56.37 | nemo | gnarface: I didn't use an ascii kernel |
| 17:56.44 | gnarface | alright, noted |
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| 18:00.48 | fsmithred | the version number has 2019 in it |
| 18:03.13 | gnarface | nemo: hey i don't suppose you'd mind dumping your vdpauinfo output for me? i want to compare it to the regular amdgpu drivers on ceres |
| 18:03.55 | nemo | well. I'm not using amdgpu-pro anymore |
| 18:04.07 | gnarface | nemo: oh, bummer. i became suspicious when it apparently supported less features than my ancient nvidia 5XX and 6XX cards, but i don't know if it's a hardware or driver limitation |
| 18:04.43 | gnarface | (wondering if the open source drivers are being sandbagged upstream) |
| 18:04.58 | nemo | gnarface: basically the ubuntu amdgpu-pro I was using stopped working after a kernel update in beowulf, and I didn't feel like forcing older kernel. since chimæra had gotten fairly reliable at that point according to fsmithred, I just bumped upwards |
| 18:05.07 | nemo | gnarface: I didn't have any great reason for using pro really |
| 18:05.14 | nemo | apart from lack of support in beowulf for my card |
| 18:05.32 | gnarface | nemo: well, that would be my one reason, is if it actually had more features |
| 18:05.50 | gnarface | nothing else i'm doing seems to require it |
| 18:06.12 | nemo | supposedly it's helpful for OpenCL? not sure. haven't gotten around to investigating this. maybe the distro drivers do that too |
| 18:06.21 | nemo | gnarface: there's an opencl vram tester I've been meaning to try out |
| 18:06.31 | nemo | and, darktable and gimp have some opencl support |
| 18:07.19 | gnarface | nemo: that Guest guy was saying he needed it for a blender feature, but i'd also be curious to know if that plain just didn't work with the open source driver or if it's just slower |
| 18:07.44 | gnarface | nemo: (or if it's as i presumed, the same, but he was missing the firmware-amd-graphics package) |
| 18:08.33 | nemo | gnarface: it may well be for opencl support |
| 18:08.50 | gnarface | i don't know what he was talking about specifically either though |
| 18:09.05 | nemo | gnarface: I know that my coworker is using the nvidia blob in his new workstation for darktable |
| 18:09.10 | gnarface | blender runs fine here as far as i can tell, so i assume it's not something that you need just for hardware rendering of the viewport |
| 18:09.14 | nemo | supposedly due to lack of opencl in nouveau |
| 18:09.42 | fsmithred | I have ascii with an amd RS780L |
| 18:09.43 | gnarface | well, nouveau wouldn't even support hardware acceleration of any type on every card |
| 18:09.44 | nemo | gnarface: yeah, the problem is that using opencl in darktable (and perhaps blender) is like 100x faster than on the CPU |
| 18:10.05 | nemo | hm |
| 18:10.07 | nemo | https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/using-opencl-from-amdgpu-pro-in-linux-without-the-rest/td-p/87264 |
| 18:10.10 | nemo | interesting idea |
| 18:10.12 | fsmithred | will that give you any info you want, gnarface ? |
| 18:11.01 | nemo | bookmarks that AMD community page |
| 18:11.08 | nemo | I might give that a shot |
| 18:11.13 | nemo | no need right now, but good to have as a backup |
| 18:11.32 | gnarface | fsmithred: nah, thanks though. nemo has a RX5600 and i have a RX5500 so they should be practically identical aside from any differences in amdgpu-pro behavior, which is why i was curious |
| 18:12.50 | nemo | gnarface: overall I was not very happy with amdgpu-pro |
| 18:13.03 | nemo | gnarface: it seemed to render things less reliably than the distro drivers |
| 18:13.12 | gnarface | yea, i haven't heard a lot of good feedback about it from anyone |
| 18:13.22 | gnarface | i heard it was very crashy |
| 18:13.29 | nemo | gnarface: and I had to drop back to an older release after my upgrade caused reliable crashing in a bunch of games |
| 18:13.40 | nemo | gnarface: I filed a bug with them on that but never got any acknowledgement |
| 18:14.02 | nemo | so I'm pretty happy in chimæra with distro drivers. |
| 18:14.19 | nemo | but that community thing is something I may try if I want faster graphic app performance. |
| 18:15.09 | gnarface | yea that looks like an interesting trick but i notice it's for kernel 4.8 so it's been a while.... |
| 18:17.43 | nemo | hm |
| 18:17.58 | nemo | gnarface: well. says 4.9 |
| 18:18.44 | nemo | gnarface: what I like about the approach is there are a number of amdgpu packages for different ubuntu versions |
| 18:19.01 | nemo | gnarface: it may well be I can just grab a newer one with newer kernel support and apply the same process to it |
| 18:19.18 | nemo | maybe I'll test it out with memtestcl just to see |
| 18:20.23 | gnarface | hmmm, good luck |
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| 18:24.38 | nemo | gnarface: oh. there's also someone at the end saying that 4.10 improved things |
| 18:24.48 | nemo | but yeah, those are all pretty old. it's an old thread |
| 18:25.25 | nemo | I wonder if someone might make a debian amdgpu-opencl-nonfree package using this approach ⺠|
| 18:26.16 | gnarface | that would be nice |
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