| 00:02.19 | Xenguy | Jeybe[m]: fluffywolf is an 'all software sucks' person ; -) |
| 00:04.45 | Xenguy | You check a checkbox to get more fine-grained message feedback (I like that configuration as it's more precise) |
| 00:05.11 | Xenguy | i.e. re: connection status |
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| 08:42.30 | KREYREN | https://bin.snopyta.org/?d282ad2fe56476c0#CiK3L7Z6RA89BRWYyRnncsoKW3yR2b6mF1trLZtCCNU3 |
| 08:42.36 | KREYREN | why am i getting 404 on torvuan? x.x |
| 08:42.46 | KREYREN | did the syntax for tor sources changed or something? |
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| 09:18.30 | wikan | hi |
| 09:18.59 | wikan | do you know what happen if I could execute any command but I could not ls files? |
| 09:19.18 | wikan | and even graphucal file manager couldn't get list of files |
| 09:40.34 | gnarface | wikan: my hypothesis is you don't have permissions for your own home directory |
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| 09:41.59 | gnarface | wikan: (or whatever it is you're trying to ls, anyway) |
| 09:48.29 | wikan | gnarface: well, i restarted os and was ok |
| 09:48.55 | wikan | actually it wasn't permission error but hang |
| 09:49.16 | wikan | file manager and ls command hung after ran |
| 09:49.34 | wikan | but i could run apps and commands still |
| 10:02.15 | luser977 | does one of the default start scripts on devuan set sane permissions on $HOME? |
| 10:02.50 | wikan | luser977: it is to me or about my issue? |
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| 13:33.36 | Jim38 | Hello! is this the right place to find support? |
| 13:34.03 | n4dir | yes |
| 13:34.52 | Jim38 | Thank you, total noob here, with the goal in mind of ditching windows |
| 13:36.23 | n4dir | in IRC you can just ask your question, but sometimes you have to give it a bit of time until someone answers |
| 13:37.10 | Jim38 | Right |
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| 13:37.57 | onefang | Coz you might have to wait for someone knowledgeable about your question to wake up or something. |
| 13:38.11 | Jim38 | :D |
| 13:38.17 | fsmithred | we have the globe surrounded. |
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| 13:39.36 | Jim38 | So, my issue is the BUG: soft lockup |
| 13:41.19 | fsmithred | say more |
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| 13:43.07 | Jim84 | well, I'm running beowulf 3.0 stable |
| 13:43.42 | fsmithred | describe what happens |
| 13:43.43 | Jim84 | hm idk what else to say XD |
| 13:44.23 | Jim84 | I boot and it asks for login, but then it prompts the bug right away |
| 13:45.41 | fsmithred | what does "prompts the bug" mean? |
| 13:45.48 | fsmithred | got a bug number? |
| 13:46.11 | Jim84 | I am sorry for my vocabulary |
| 13:46.37 | Jim84 | I will reboot to get exactly what it says and I will be back |
| 13:46.38 | Jim84 | thank you |
| 13:46.40 | fsmithred | so you give your password in the login screen, and then what happens? |
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| 13:53.20 | jim43 | Hello again. So, I boot. Before I get to login, in terminal it shows:rcu_sched self-detected stall on CPU |
| 13:53.52 | jim43 | Then it continues: blocking rcu_node structures: |
| 13:54.31 | jim43 | Watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s! |
| 13:55.18 | cronolio | disable splash screen and you will see a lot more ;) |
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| 14:11.22 | fsmithred | jim43, is this a brand new installation? Have you been able to log in before this? |
| 14:11.52 | jim43 | This is indeed a brand new installation |
| 14:12.03 | fsmithred | which iso did you use? |
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| 14:12.39 | fsmithred | desktop-live or desktop installer dvd? |
| 14:13.28 | fsmithred | or netinstall iso? |
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| 14:17.16 | fsmithred | and did you install to a virtual machine or to real hardware? |
| 14:18.21 | jim43 | Good question, I went over those options for so long that I forgot already. I have been able to log in though, by pressing E on the boot option and setting nouveau to 0. But I don't know how to save this change. And I have installed to hardware. |
| 14:20.38 | fsmithred | to save changes in the grub menu, edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub to update the boot menu |
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| 14:21.15 | fsmithred | you could replace 'quiet' on the linux line with your nouveau option |
| 14:21.32 | fsmithred | or leave quite and append the option |
| 14:22.07 | fsmithred | do you know how to edit a system file as root? |
| 14:22.42 | jim43 | Thank you for your help. |
| 14:23.07 | jim43 | I'm trying now to edit as root |
| 14:25.17 | fsmithred | Here's a good beginner's guide: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=58557 |
| 14:26.01 | jim43 | So if I understand right, I get root with su. But then after trying to open /etc/default/grub it says permission denied. I will try a different way |
| 14:26.13 | fsmithred | exit and then use 'su -' |
| 14:26.51 | fsmithred | oh |
| 14:27.05 | fsmithred | what text editor are you using? |
| 14:27.15 | fsmithred | trying to use a graphical editor? |
| 14:27.21 | fsmithred | nano /etc/default/grub |
| 14:27.39 | fsmithred | arrow keys to navigate |
| 14:27.47 | jim43 | I was trying to do it from the terminal XD should I use Vim? : D |
| 14:27.58 | fsmithred | if you know vim, go for it |
| 14:28.50 | jim43 | I literally just installed my first distro ever after getting pissed at Windows last week |
| 14:29.05 | jim43 | So I don't "know" anything. But I will try |
| 14:30.17 | Xenguy | jim43: nano is an easier text editor to use than vim, but both will work |
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| 14:34.42 | fsmithred | yeah, the instructions are on the bottom of the screen. Can't go wrong. |
| 14:35.56 | gnarface | jim43: i've seen some hardware run into that error due to a buggy "C1E powersaving mode" implementation, which possibly can be disabled in the bios... it doesn't really save much power anyway |
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| 14:42.51 | msiism | So, as it turns out, my font rendering problem was simply dues to a newer version of FreeType not being able to render the fonts I use properly. |
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| 14:43.44 | fsmithred | which version msiism ? |
| 14:44.06 | msiism | Putting `FREETYPE_PROPERTIES='truetype:interpreter-version=35` into my shell envrionment, as suggested by hexnewbie in ##linux, completely solved it. |
| 14:44.21 | msiism | fsmithred: I'm not sure what the defult version is. |
| 14:45.15 | numzob | msiism: never in a million years would i have figured that out :o congrats :) |
| 14:45.31 | fsmithred | libfreetype6 2.9.1-3+deb10u2 is in beowulf |
| 14:46.01 | fsmithred | 2.10.4+dfsg-1 is in chimaera/ceres (bullseye/sid) |
| 14:48.07 | fsmithred | so you didn't have to change the version? |
| 14:48.58 | msiism | numzob: I knew it had to do with the rendering instead of the driver, at some point. But yeah, I would have taken a few days, probably weeks, to figure it out. |
| 14:49.21 | msiism | fsmithred: I just used that environment variable. |
| 14:49.30 | fsmithred | I'm gonna try it |
| 14:49.30 | msiism | That's all I had to do. |
| 14:49.45 | msiism | So, I'll put that into my ~/.profile, I guess. |
| 14:49.53 | msiism | And export it there. |
| 14:51.45 | jim43 | Thank you guys! It helped a lot |
| 14:52.42 | fsmithred | yw |
| 14:52.43 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 14:56.52 | fsmithred | msiism, that didn't change anything here |
| 14:57.07 | msiism | fsmithred: It might depend on the fonts you use. |
| 14:57.12 | fsmithred | oh, maybe |
| 14:57.22 | fsmithred | I'm using whatever came with xfce |
| 14:57.22 | msiism | Here's a screenshot from ym system: https://www.msiism.org/fd/bgdW3l/FreeType--The_older_the_better--URxvt.png |
| 14:57.35 | fsmithred | but I did notice that I use custom dpi 96 |
| 14:57.59 | msiism | So, the left window runs with the newer FreeType and the right one with the older version. |
| 14:58.06 | msiism | And this is the same font, by the way. |
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| 14:58.29 | msiism | DejaVu Sans Mono. |
| 14:59.15 | fsmithred | I can read the one on the left better |
| 14:59.31 | fsmithred | but I don't see a lot of difference |
| 14:59.42 | msiism | As I understand it, in the left window the type of font and the means used to rende rit collide a bit. |
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| 15:00.50 | msiism | fsmithred: Well, yeah, at this size, the right seems a bit crisp, maybe, especially in direct comparison. For my taste, it's quite right, though. And I usually blow the font size up quite a bit for better readability. |
| 15:02.14 | fsmithred | yeah, I see it when I blow it up |
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| 15:04.31 | msiism | So, this makes a very nice looking Beowulf then. :) I think I should probably put a note into that forum thread I had opened about this a while back. |
| 15:05.09 | jim98 | I had installed from desktop-live in case it is still of interest. |
| 15:10.07 | msiism | goes to log out and in again |
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| 15:10.13 | fsmithred | oh |
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| 16:42.38 | Smilex | Hey. Is there any repo available to get GCC 9 on beowulf? |
| 16:44.15 | gnarface | did you check beowulf-backports? |
| 16:45.53 | gnarface | if it's not in beowulf-backports you'd have to build the one from chimera or ceres yourself |
| 16:45.57 | Smilex | nope, but I just enabled the repo and it's sadly not there |
| 16:46.24 | gnarface | if you're just building something else with it you could just run chimera or ceres in a chroot |
| 16:46.59 | Smilex | I need it to install a newer kernel |
| 16:47.16 | gnarface | well there is a newer kernel in beowulf-backports |
| 16:47.24 | gnarface | maybe you don't need gcc at all for that task |
| 16:48.04 | Smilex | oh? I looked at apt list --upgradable and there wasn't any newer kernel. Am I looking at it wrong |
| 16:48.26 | gnarface | apt-get update && apt-cache -t beowulf-backports search linux-image- |
| 16:48.43 | gnarface | or better yet |
| 16:48.51 | gnarface | apt-get update && apt-cache -t beowulf-backports search '^linux-image-' |
| 16:49.03 | gnarface | you probably need to get the corresponding '^linux-headers-' too |
| 16:49.23 | gnarface | well, assuming nvidia drivers |
| 16:49.38 | gnarface | or anything using dkms |
| 16:52.12 | Smilex | so they are called "bpo". You know what that means? |
| 16:52.33 | gnarface | in the case of nvidia, you'll want to get the corresponding nvidia packages from backports too, if you're using amdgpu you'll want to get the various mesa packages from there and the firmware-amd-graphics package |
| 16:52.48 | gnarface | they have bpo in the names yes, i don't know what it means unless it's short for backports |
| 16:53.19 | gnarface | you will find that none of these are different from debian's |
| 16:54.12 | Smilex | so what do I search to find the corresponding nvidia packages? |
| 16:54.20 | Smilex | because I'm getting a nvidia dkms error |
| 16:54.37 | gnarface | dpkg -l |grep nvidia -i |
| 16:54.45 | gnarface | then make sure every one of those packages is the latest version |
| 16:54.58 | gnarface | all but one of them will be in non-free |
| 16:55.03 | gnarface | or maybe all of them |
| 16:55.04 | gnarface | i'm not sure |
| 16:55.18 | gnarface | but the point is that except for the ones where the version is some datestamp, they should all have the same version |
| 16:55.26 | gnarface | make sure it's the version in backports |
| 16:55.55 | gnarface | searching the repo: apt-cache -t beowulf-backports search ^nvidia- |
| 16:57.40 | Smilex | did they change the package names from just nvidia to nvidia-tesla ? |
| 16:58.24 | gnarface | no idea, not that i know of |
| 16:58.31 | gnarface | i would assume those are for tesla hardware |
| 16:58.53 | golinux | Smilex: You can also explore packages with pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 17:04.54 | Smilex | seems like the newer nvidia driver is in chimera, and the newer kernel is in backports, but something "nvidia dkms" won't compile with the newer kernel in backports |
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| 17:07.00 | gnarface | yes, you need nvidia drivers and the kernel and headers all from backports or dkms doesn't work |
| 17:07.22 | gnarface | there's a known issue going between certain versions |
| 17:07.28 | gnarface | which kinda ruins the point, i know |
| 17:07.36 | Smilex | but there isn't a newer nvidia driver from backports |
| 17:07.42 | gnarface | certainly there must be |
| 17:07.50 | Smilex | or do you want me to install the same one, just from backports? |
| 17:08.41 | gnarface | oh, you installed the same or a later version from elsewhere? i don't know why that wouldn't work, i could only guess you missed something |
| 17:08.41 | Smilex | nvm that made no sense |
| 17:09.00 | Smilex | I can see some nvidia-tesla stuff in backports |
| 17:09.45 | Smilex | I have this installed https://pkginfo.devuan.org/xsl-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=nvidia-driver=418.152.00-1 |
| 17:09.50 | gnarface | i would recommend using the packages from beowulf-backports instead of from some other distro, or from nvidia.com, but as long as the version is recent enough i expected it to work with the dkms thing |
| 17:10.01 | Smilex | it's from http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/non-free amd64 |
| 17:10.46 | gnarface | what version? |
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| 17:11.25 | gnarface | oh, 418? |
| 17:12.28 | Smilex | I'm pretty sure I have that installed. Don't know how to verify |
| 17:12.46 | gnarface | like i said: dpkg -l |grep nvidia -i |
| 17:13.28 | gnarface | the version in backports is higher than 418 for sure |
| 17:13.36 | Smilex | oh right |
| 17:13.58 | Smilex | yeah I have 418.152.00-1 |
| 17:14.38 | gnarface | apt-get --no-install-recommends -t beowulf-backports install ^nvidia-driver |
| 17:14.43 | gnarface | no |
| 17:14.47 | gnarface | apt-get --no-install-recommends -t beowulf-backports install nvidia-driver |
| 17:14.50 | gnarface | without the carrot |
| 17:14.56 | gnarface | what does that do? |
| 17:15.12 | gnarface | it should prompt to update a dozen or so files |
| 17:15.50 | gnarface | but if you re-run the dpkg -l command again afterwards you'll see it inevitably misses a few, which you have to name individually |
| 17:16.10 | Smilex | 36 upgrades |
| 17:16.16 | Smilex | I assume I should go ahead? |
| 17:16.25 | gnarface | are you already booted into the backports kernel? |
| 17:16.32 | gnarface | and you have the corresponding headers file? |
| 17:16.36 | Smilex | no the backports kernel wouldn't install |
| 17:16.37 | gnarface | er, headers package, i mean? |
| 17:16.40 | gnarface | hmm |
| 17:16.46 | Smilex | the headers package |
| 17:17.10 | gnarface | it should have installed, even if the dkms errored out |
| 17:17.18 | Smilex | oh ok |
| 17:17.26 | Smilex | should I get the image part too, and boot into it? |
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| 17:17.59 | gnarface | yes, tell me which one you're getting first so i can make sure it's right |
| 17:18.52 | gnarface | i don't know if it really matters what order you do it in as long as you get all the right packages |
| 17:18.56 | gnarface | you can re-run dkms at any time |
| 17:19.01 | Smilex | linux-image-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 17:19.22 | gnarface | looks fine |
| 17:19.37 | Smilex | ok and then the nvidia-driver? |
| 17:19.52 | gnarface | get that one and the linux-headers-5.8.... both first, THEN the nvidia-driver and nvidia-driver-bin packages |
| 17:20.28 | gnarface | and yes, when i did it, i booted into the backports kernel first |
| 17:20.30 | Smilex | how do I revert btw? |
| 17:20.39 | Smilex | could be that my GPU isn't supported by this newer driver |
| 17:20.53 | gnarface | you're not doing this because it wasn't supported by the old one? |
| 17:21.30 | Smilex | No my audio hardware gets supported by this https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.5.8/ |
| 17:23.07 | gnarface | same way as debian, you'd just remove all the nvidia packages and install the beowulf ones again |
| 17:23.20 | gnarface | it won't uninstall the old kernel, you can just select it from grub |
| 17:23.30 | Smilex | would that be automatic if I disabled the backports source? |
| 17:23.58 | gnarface | no, packages wouldn't automatically downgrade to an lower version under any circumstances |
| 17:24.13 | gnarface | you could call them by version specifically instead |
| 17:24.19 | gnarface | but it wouldn't downgrade automatically |
| 17:25.24 | gnarface | unless your card is 600 era or older it's probably gonna be fine |
| 17:25.35 | Smilex | it's 750 |
| 17:25.39 | Smilex | pretty old |
| 17:25.45 | gnarface | it should be fine |
| 17:26.04 | gnarface | they're not killing off 700's yet |
| 17:27.13 | gnarface | you can "apt-get download [package]" instead of "apt-get install [package]" and it'll just download the package to the current directory |
| 17:27.33 | Smilex | ok I went through dpkg -l and fixed the version mismatches |
| 17:27.34 | gnarface | you could do that ahead of time for all the stock beowulf nvidia packages, so you don't have to panic if it doesn't work and somehow kills your network connection too |
| 17:27.38 | Smilex | I guess it's time I reboot? |
| 17:27.54 | Smilex | network is ethernet, it should be fine? |
| 17:28.02 | gnarface | yes, it should be fine. did dkms run without error this time? |
| 17:28.09 | Smilex | how do I run it? |
| 17:28.16 | gnarface | i think just dkms -a |
| 17:28.26 | Smilex | I'm haven't rebooted yet, so shouldn't it test against this older kernel? |
| 17:28.45 | gnarface | it would have run either way i thought |
| 17:28.55 | Smilex | dkms -a is not an action |
| 17:29.16 | gnarface | is your world gonna end if it comes up without a gui? |
| 17:29.33 | Smilex | no I use weechat, so I'll be back here for support :D |
| 17:29.36 | gnarface | you might have to run dkms afterwards |
| 17:29.42 | gnarface | then reboot once more |
| 17:30.05 | msiism | golinux: Could you possibly mark the following forum thread "[Solved]": https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=26869. I can't edit the first post anymore, probably because it's been too long since I've submitted it. |
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| 17:33.05 | Smilex | seems to have worked! |
| 17:33.12 | Smilex | any sanity checks I should do? |
| 17:33.46 | gnarface | the sanity check i was expecting was you seeing it run dkms without error |
| 17:34.06 | gnarface | which, presumably it must have if it's working... |
| 17:34.06 | Smilex | how do I call dkms? dkms -a didn't work |
| 17:34.15 | gnarface | try it with no parameters |
| 17:34.16 | gnarface | but actually |
| 17:34.21 | gnarface | first just check the xorg log |
| 17:34.31 | gnarface | it'll say which version of the nvidia drivers it loaded |
| 17:34.53 | Smilex | Error! No action was specified. |
| 17:35.04 | Smilex | that's for dkms |
| 17:35.08 | gnarface | yea i forget how to call it, i'd have to consult the man page |
| 17:35.12 | Smilex | xorg log. Where are those? |
| 17:35.36 | gnarface | either /var/log/Xorg.*.log or ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.*.log |
| 17:35.40 | Smilex | OpenGL core profile version string: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 450.80.02 |
| 17:35.43 | Smilex | from glxinfo |
| 17:36.30 | gnarface | should be correct too afaik but i wouldn't claim to be sure it knows the difference between the installed library versions and the running kernel module if there's a discrepancy |
| 17:36.44 | gnarface | anyway, all signs point to it's fine |
| 17:36.53 | gnarface | usually when it doesn't work you see the errors |
| 17:38.13 | gnarface | if you ever have to, the other way you can re-trigger the dkms build is to just force reinstall the packages with apt-get |
| 17:38.25 | gnarface | apt-get --reinstall install [package name] |
| 17:38.33 | Smilex | there are some messages about failing to install nvidia kernel module |
| 17:38.50 | gnarface | where? |
| 17:39.14 | Smilex | in Xorg |
| 17:39.19 | Smilex | Xorg.0.log |
| 17:39.38 | gnarface | paste.debian.net? |
| 17:40.06 | gnarface | make sure it's the right one |
| 17:40.28 | gnarface | check both locations, it may have moved from /var/log to ~/.local/share/xorg, so you might be looking at an old version |
| 17:41.13 | Smilex | oh it's old |
| 17:41.38 | Smilex | that was .local/share/xorg |
| 17:43.22 | Smilex | ok found the actual one and it seems to be fine |
| 17:43.27 | gnarface | alright, cool |
| 17:43.32 | Smilex | now let's see if my audio device actually works |
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| 17:49.46 | Smilex | well it shows up but doesn't work |
| 17:49.51 | gnarface | hmm |
| 17:49.54 | Smilex | gnarface: anyway thanks a lot! |
| 17:50.04 | gnarface | you checked volume levels in alsamixer and pavucontrol both, right? |
| 17:50.10 | gnarface | and you added yourself to the "audio" group? |
| 17:50.13 | Smilex | Yeah it freezes Jack |
| 17:50.16 | Smilex | something is wrong |
| 17:50.27 | gnarface | damn, i got nothing then, sorry |
| 17:50.34 | Smilex | I also get two error messages, which might be solved by upgrading the firmware |
| 17:50.55 | gnarface | oh, if there's non-free firmware for it, it probably needs to come from backports to match the kernel too |
| 17:51.31 | Smilex | I think I need to boot into windows, download their software, and then upgrade the firmware that way |
| 17:51.43 | gnarface | yikes |
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| 18:00.02 | golinux | msiism: Will do! |
| 18:00.25 | msiism | golinux: Thank you. |
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| 19:10.34 | msiism | Now, is there some inherent security risk in setting ALWAYS_SET_PATH to "yes" in /etc/default/su? |
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| 19:14.33 | fsmithred | not that I know, msiism. The behavior of su changed when it got moved from the shadow package to util-linux |
| 19:14.46 | fsmithred | so I think it's just a dev's preference (not sure of that) |
| 19:15.41 | msiism | Yeah, I had read about it in the release notes. I'll just set it then. Also, strange they don't use an equal sign for setting this. |
| 19:17.19 | fsmithred | man su |
| 19:18.17 | fsmithred | I set it that way. The new default does not work for me. |
| 19:18.24 | msiism | Same here. |
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| 19:39.54 | unixbsd | I try to get the game Starcraft, running on Devuan. It needs stratagus and Stargus. Have you ever managed to get that thing compiled on devuan and running?= |
| 19:41.55 | DashiePie | just curious, 1 or 2 unixbsd? |
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| 19:42.27 | unixbsd | "Starcraft I" the first one, about year 1999 2000 |
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| 19:44.01 | DashiePie | ah |
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| 20:14.21 | leafwiz | Heya, I just cloned , https://git.devuan.org/devuan/wicd/src/tag/1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan1# , changed the interpreter to python2 and uploaded it here: https://github.com/torstefan/wicd |
| 20:15.27 | leafwiz | Seems to install with "./setup.py configure --no-install-gnome-shell-extensions --no-install-i18n --no-install-i18n-man && ./setup.py build && sudo ./setup.py install" |
| 20:15.42 | leafwiz | The reason I did this was that I had some issues when I changed my default python to python3 |
| 20:16.17 | leafwiz | I talked to someone here and it seemed like there was a need for a small change to the code. |
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| 20:16.55 | leafwiz | I'm kinda a newbie when it comes to these sorts of things. But wicd seems to run fine on my devuan system now. Which has just been dist upgraded |
| 20:17.14 | unixbsd | wicd is easy and working with xfce4 |
| 20:17.23 | unixbsd | kde does not have a working wireless. |
| 20:17.40 | leafwiz | Jupp, I'm running it under mate |
| 20:18.15 | unixbsd | I might have a little script with bash that does your wireless... |
| 20:20.26 | leafwiz | I'm good, I have wicd , remember :) |
| 20:21.13 | fsmithred | leafwiz, is your version working on chimaera or beowulf? |
| 20:21.49 | leafwiz | fsmithred, its working on beowulf |
| 20:22.12 | leafwiz | Its the system i'm currently using |
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| 22:13.34 | leafwiz | Just curious , what do you guys in think about Wayland |
| 22:13.36 | leafwiz | ? |
| 22:14.59 | leafwiz | Does it look like a good replacement for x11 ? |
| 22:15.21 | leafwiz | Given time |
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| 22:23.34 | mason | leafwiz: Not a fan, not interested in it, but ideally we need people to take up the reins of X11 to avoid Wayland supplanting it. |
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| 22:25.32 | DashiePie | wayland can only git gud if it matches and exceeds X11, and so far, it doesn't impress me, from what I've heard about it |
| 22:25.52 | DashiePie | Sway is the only implementation of VRR? what if I don't want a tiling window manager? |
| 22:26.39 | DashiePie | just one example of many, I'd say |
| 22:27.26 | fsmithred | you shouldn't need a window manager if all your apps have their own controls, right? |
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| 22:29.33 | DashiePie | I'm not sure if that question is a dig at Wayland or a legit question, but all I can say is, it all depends on whether you're a dev or a user, and what your priorities as said dev or user are |
| 22:29.53 | fsmithred | yes, sarcasm |
| 22:30.10 | fsmithred | I like vnc over ssh, so wayland is a no-go |
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| 22:30.22 | DashiePie | ah, well, yeah |
| 22:30.44 | DashiePie | Wayland just doesn't impress me from a user standpoint because of the aforementioned lack of implementations and such |
| 22:31.11 | DashiePie | it's definitely better for AMD users, but I know that team green isn't so happy about Wayland's incompatibility |
| 22:31.51 | DashiePie | or should I say, Nvidia's lack of co-operation with OSS |
| 22:32.19 | DashiePie | (not that they'd tell you it's their favorite corp.'s fault) |
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