| 00:00.51 | rapha | fsmithred: i read the debian wiki and created a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ ... but that doesn't seem to have had any effect. does it have to be enabled somehow first? |
| 00:01.07 | fsmithred | it has to be correct |
| 00:02.08 | fsmithred | Package: * |
| 00:02.08 | fsmithred | Pin: release n=chimaera |
| 00:02.09 | fsmithred | Pin-Priority: 50 |
| 00:02.11 | aitor_ | fltk is a gui library |
| 00:02.16 | rapha | ah n=, not o= |
| 00:02.48 | unixbsd | aitor_: ah yes, it allows to make little frontend with an ide |
| 00:03.01 | fsmithred | yeah, and for beowulf-backports or experimental, it's a= |
| 00:03.04 | rapha | ah, much nicer: "2 packages can be upgraded" |
| 00:03.14 | fsmithred | cool |
| 00:03.18 | fsmithred | good luck |
| 00:03.28 | aitor_ | yes, fltk seems good |
| 00:03.33 | fsmithred | btw upgrade to chimaera might not be bad. |
| 00:03.42 | fsmithred | depends on how much stuff you got installed |
| 00:03.48 | unixbsd | well, it is C++. that's unreliable |
| 00:03.59 | rapha | okay, sitll wants to upgrade 94 packages |
| 00:04.04 | rapha | that all seems half-baked |
| 00:04.19 | fsmithred | mostly related to the ruby stuff? |
| 00:04.22 | rapha | if you're saying that chimaera atm is quite okay, i think i'll do the full upgrade |
| 00:04.37 | rapha | no, fsmithred ... including libc stuff |
| 00:04.40 | fsmithred | some people have run into problems, but others are doing fine |
| 00:04.41 | fsmithred | oh |
| 00:05.01 | aitor_ | crossed conversations :) |
| 00:05.02 | fsmithred | according to what I was seeing, it needs libc6 >2.14 |
| 00:05.16 | fsmithred | which is old |
| 00:05.45 | rapha | i don't think i did anything special to the system so far, or installed anything weird |
| 00:05.46 | fsmithred | I upgraded my Refracta install to chimaera on old thinkpad. It seems fine. |
| 00:06.01 | fsmithred | get rid of metapackages if you can |
| 00:06.19 | fsmithred | task-whatever-desktop, task-desktop, desktop-base |
| 00:06.25 | fsmithred | those aren't fully ready |
| 00:06.50 | fsmithred | and have horrible dependencies to deal with if you try to change stuff |
| 00:07.32 | rapha | it's a headless system |
| 00:07.34 | fsmithred | if it's a new install, it's probably worth the risk |
| 00:07.40 | fsmithred | no desktop??? |
| 00:07.44 | rapha | nope |
| 00:07.56 | fsmithred | I predict little or no trouble |
| 00:07.58 | fsmithred | lol |
| 00:08.06 | rapha | development server ... so also not that bad if stuff breaks |
| 00:08.31 | rapha | how do you find out though which task-* thing you might have installed? |
| 00:08.43 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep task- |
| 00:08.59 | fsmithred | oh |
| 00:09.03 | rapha | task-console-productivity task-english task-ssh-server |
| 00:09.07 | fsmithred | you might possibly have |
| 00:09.09 | fsmithred | those |
| 00:09.24 | fsmithred | apt show task-console-productivity |
| 00:09.28 | fsmithred | don't post it here |
| 00:09.32 | AnimaInvicta | :part |
| 00:09.53 | AnimaInvicta | ops, sorry. Typo. |
| 00:10.00 | AnimaInvicta | :part |
| 00:10.04 | rapha | wow those are pulling in quite a bit of stuff i'm pretty sure i'll never use or need |
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| 00:10.18 | fsmithred | ssh-server you want |
| 00:10.29 | fsmithred | task-english? dictionaries I guess |
| 00:10.37 | fsmithred | the other one has a lot of packages |
| 00:10.55 | rapha | there's a package called "toilet-fonts" lol |
| 00:11.03 | fsmithred | lol |
| 00:11.38 | onefang | Don't use toilet-fonts, they are shit. B-) |
| 00:12.06 | fsmithred | TOIlet prints text using large characters made of smaller characters. |
| 00:13.17 | rapha | okay, set those that i care about to manually installed |
| 00:18.12 | fsmithred | you got rid of the pin file? |
| 00:18.20 | rapha | yup |
| 00:18.25 | fsmithred | also, there's only one repo |
| 00:18.32 | fsmithred | no -security or -updates |
| 00:18.37 | fsmithred | until it goes stable |
| 00:19.25 | fsmithred | two if you have a deb-src line for it |
| 00:20.20 | rapha | oh damn |
| 00:20.25 | rapha | left the update one in |
| 00:20.42 | rapha | but no 404 like fore the security one |
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| 00:35.25 | rapha | hmm ... seems it went well |
| 00:35.54 | fsmithred | :) |
| 00:36.09 | fsmithred | did you get new kernel? |
| 00:42.54 | rapha | 5.10.0-1? |
| 00:43.35 | fsmithred | yeah, that's probably the newest |
| 00:44.17 | fsmithred | my laptop still has 5.9 |
| 00:45.45 | rapha | it's not of much consequence for a VM :P |
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| 02:38.04 | Guest24 | should i turn off root during the install process? |
| 02:40.02 | fsmithred | why? You don't like to use a root account? |
| 02:40.21 | Guest24 | idk isn't it good for security or smth? |
| 02:40.31 | Guest24 | i don't really have a problem but it recommended changing the root password |
| 02:40.41 | Guest24 | the installer guide that is |
| 02:40.46 | fsmithred | the live installer? |
| 02:40.48 | Guest24 | yes |
| 02:41.00 | fsmithred | yes, change the root password, because EVERYONE knows it |
| 02:41.04 | Guest24 | did that |
| 02:41.06 | fsmithred | everyone in the whole world |
| 02:41.15 | Guest24 | i changed it bc i'm paranoid |
| 02:41.28 | Guest24 | i'm aware that i didn't have to |
| 02:42.26 | fsmithred | I don't change it when I'm doing a test install in a VM |
| 02:43.04 | fsmithred | but for a real system, really. It's public knowledge. |
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| 03:29.40 | gnarface | Guest24: it's not actually more secure to disable the root account unless you have a mental problem that prevents you from remembering two passwords. |
| 03:30.16 | gnarface | Guest24: you should however absolutely disable remote root access to sshd (which is different from disabling the root account as a whole) |
| 03:30.59 | gnarface | the reason for this is ultimately you'll still need root access for certain administration tasks, and without an actual root account you must resort to sudo |
| 03:31.07 | gnarface | or su |
| 03:31.45 | gnarface | and it's a longer discussion but neither of those things actually make you more secure either |
| 03:32.04 | gnarface | if properly used, su just won't make you less secure |
| 03:32.13 | gnarface | but there's no situation where sudo is safer for a single-user system |
| 03:33.46 | gnarface | it's more for shared systems where the root password would be a liability - but under the default configuration even then it would be ridiculously insecure |
| 03:34.21 | gnarface | (you are supposed to limit commands through it but nobody without a CS degree ever succeeds at that) |
| 03:35.54 | gnarface | paranoia is good though. paranoia will make you a better admin. |
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| 03:46.21 | gnarface | actually i'm not even sure you can use su if you mark the root account as disabled |
| 03:46.30 | gnarface | i think it depends on whether it's disabling the shell or the password |
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| 04:09.35 | Xenguy | gnarface: That's definitely a quotable quote: "paranoia will make you a better admin." |
| 04:15.06 | Guest24 | i'm far from being anything near an admin lmao |
| 04:15.09 | Guest24 | but thanks |
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| 04:24.38 | Guest24 | well i fucked up the partitions |
| 04:24.45 | Guest24 | well one |
| 04:24.50 | Guest24 | i forgot a boot partition |
| 04:24.58 | Guest24 | should be an easy fix |
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| 04:29.16 | bru | disconnect |
| 04:29.52 | Guest24 | funny |
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| 04:58.07 | furrywolf | ok, that's odd. wicd is still installed, but no longer seems to have a menu entry after the beowulf upgrade. |
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| 06:39.02 | gnarface | furrywolf: might be an old glitch, try "touch /usr/share/icons/hicolor ~/.local/share/icons/hicolor" and "gtk-update-icon-cache" |
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| 06:39.35 | gnarface | (just guessing, but that was the fix for a similar problem at one point) |
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| 09:07.21 | e3d3 | fsmithred: Can it be that I have issues with RefractaSnapshot because I added Devuan to the Grub2 menu of another installed distro ? |
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| 10:03.10 | fsmithred | e3d3, it doesn't matter which grub in booting the system. It should still make a bootable snapshot. Maybe you should install eudev from beowulf-proposed-updates and then make another snapshot. That could either fix it or rule out the bug in eudev. |
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| 10:14.05 | e3d3 | fsmithred: How do I rule out the bug in eudev ? By uncomment the line with: ifnames_opt="net.ifnames=0" ? |
| 10:14.40 | e3d3 | in /etc/refractasnapshot.conf |
| 10:14.42 | fsmithred | please forget about that line |
| 10:14.45 | fsmithred | do not use it |
| 10:15.07 | fsmithred | you do not want that (you do not want your password stored inside the iso) |
| 10:15.31 | fsmithred | rule out the bug in eudev by using the version of eudev that doesn't have that bug |
| 10:16.25 | e3d3 | so the fix it or rule out is the same as the suggestion before; install eudev from proposed-updates repo ? |
| 10:16.36 | fsmithred | ywa |
| 10:16.38 | fsmithred | yes |
| 10:16.54 | e3d3 | okay, then I try that |
| 10:17.34 | fsmithred | deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan beowulf-proposed-updates |
| 10:17.37 | e3d3 | I know how to do that now. |
| 10:17.41 | fsmithred | add taht line to sources |
| 10:17.51 | fsmithred | note /devuan NOT /merged |
| 10:18.10 | e3d3 | noted |
| 10:19.03 | fsmithred | you could also get newer refractainstaller from there |
| 10:20.19 | e3d3 | just before you posted the repo I found it on https://pkginfo.devuan.org/xsl-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=eudev |
| 10:20.33 | e3d3 | but here they used merged: http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-proposed-updates/main amd64 |
| 10:32.43 | e3d3 | I upgraded eudev from the given "devuan"-repo, without errors. Guess I need a reboot before trying to make another snapshot, not ? |
| 10:36.32 | e3d3 | nm, I'll reboot to be save, and rapport after trying a new snapshot. Thanks again for the help so far |
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| 11:15.05 | e3d3 | fsmithred: I made a new snapshot, got no errors, but an iso that is too big; 6.9 GB. I has /live/filesystem-squashfs twice, 1 is 4 GB, the other 2,8 GB. |
| 11:18.21 | e3d3 | maybe it is because I remembered to close all other apps halfway the snapshot was made |
| 11:20.22 | e3d3 | I used the same config & exclude list as before, and the upgrade eudev |
| 11:21.03 | e3d3 | (and without audio file or other additions) |
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| 11:26.58 | e3d3 | I just see that my previous snapshot occupies only 227 MB on the DVD, while the snapshot (deleted) was x GB |
| 11:28.02 | e3d3 | maybe some magic will shrink the 7 GB to 1 GB while burning the iso ? |
| 11:34.39 | e3d3 | maybe I should (have) upgrade all packages with the proposed-repo, incl refractainstaller ? |
| 11:34.42 | fsmithred | how can you have two copies of filesystem.squashfs. They must have idfferent names |
| 11:34.57 | e3d3 | indeed, I'll check again |
| 11:35.22 | fsmithred | look at the error log, too |
| 11:35.30 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.31 | fsmithred | log |
| 11:36.11 | e3d3 | okay. I checked again, with the famous isomaster, and here they have really the same name |
| 11:37.29 | fsmithred | you can't have two files with the same name and the same path |
| 11:38.02 | e3d3 | I know but that is what isomaster shows. Can I see the content of the iso in another way ? |
| 11:38.26 | e3d3 | I don't see anything suspisious in the log |
| 11:38.42 | fsmithred | you could look at the iso directory that was used to create it |
| 11:38.52 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.56 | e3d3 | okay |
| 11:39.07 | fsmithred | I don't understand what isomaster is showing you |
| 11:39.23 | fsmithred | how do you perceive two of the same file? |
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| 11:41.08 | fsmithred | mount <isofile> /mnt |
| 11:41.10 | e3d3 | I have no /home/work directory. Isomaster is a GUI app. When it list the content of the iso I see 2 lines for the same file, but with different sizes. I'll check again with a lens to be sure. |
| 11:41.29 | e3d3 | yes of course, mount |
| 11:42.15 | fsmithred | ok, did you change the location of work_dir in the config file? Or is save_work=no? |
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| 11:45.22 | e3d3 | no I didn't change location of the work dir. I didn't change the default for save_work but must check its value. In the mounted iso there is only 1 filesystem.squashfs with size 6.8 GB |
| 11:46.52 | e3d3 | save_work=no is uncommented, but I can't think that I have done this. I have no reason for this. |
| 11:48.19 | e3d3 | e3d3: still struggling with partly set global key bindings in this fresh Devuan |
| 11:50.50 | e3d3 | The comment above save_work tells that no is the default. |
| 11:58.44 | fsmithred | yeah, default is not to save the work directory. I asked you to change that the other day to re-squash the iso. I don't know if you still need to do that. |
| 11:59.13 | fsmithred | I like to save the work dir because it makes a re-run go faster and it leaves evidence if there's a problem. |
| 11:59.48 | fsmithred | you need to check your excludes file to make the iso smaller |
| 12:02.14 | e3d3 | I didn't change the exclude file, checked but will do it again, and set save_work to yes. I (now) only changed snapshot_basename and volid in the config file. |
| 12:07.07 | e3d3 | my exclude file is default, except I don't exclude my tiny ~/.bash_history file |
| 12:09.13 | e3d3 | I don't know what you mean with re-squash. Do I need to compress the iso manually ? |
| 12:10.34 | e3d3 | or does this only apply after modifying the work dir ? |
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| 12:17.36 | fsmithred | re-squash is for editing work_dir/myfs and making a new iso without copying the system again |
| 12:18.01 | fsmithred | if your iso is 6GB you need to exclude some files from the copy. |
| 12:20.08 | fsmithred | why do you want to keep bash_history? |
| 12:22.32 | e3d3 | okay, so that is not the case here. The ca 3 GB difference between this & previous snapshot must be because I installed apps in between, although I all expect them to be lightweight: feh & viewnior (image viewer), exa (ls replacement), fzf (fuzzy search), moc (CLI audio player), neofetch (system info in terminal), shellcheck and ag (silver searcher). I'll need to check exact installed sizes. My Devuan partition used |
| 12:22.32 | e3d3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:23.03 | fsmithred | there's an option in the config file to use better compression |
| 12:23.13 | e3d3 | fsmithred: I cleaned my bash-history. Normally I depend on my own cheat-tools & marker (CLI bookmark tool) but I need to install these |
| 12:23.15 | fsmithred | that will help |
| 12:25.22 | e3d3 | I recently replace Nano by Micro editor, nice but I easily make a mess by using Emacs key bindings here. one moment |
| 12:27.31 | e3d3 | I've set compression to the smallest size. I hope it will be enough to get the 6.8 GB to a DVD. |
| 12:30.37 | e3d3 | I'm going to make a new snapshot, with save_work=yes and using highest compression. Following the advise I close all other apps, incl IRC. I'll rapport on succes, and drink some booze on failure ;) Thanks again so far, and please tell me if I bother you or waist too much of your time. |
| 12:32.11 | fsmithred | good luck. If the iso is too big, there's a way to copy the iso dir to usb and make it bootable. |
| 12:32.52 | e3d3 | it's hybrid not ? |
| 12:33.28 | fsmithred | yeah, it's isohybrid. |
| 12:33.37 | fsmithred | you can use dd or cat to put the iso on a usb |
| 12:33.54 | fsmithred | but there's also a way to copy the iso dir (contents of the iso file) to usb |
| 12:34.09 | fsmithred | not isohybrid. Multi-boot usb is possible. |
| 12:34.22 | e3d3 | that won't be this week. My usb-stick require a lot administrative work, that I keep avoiding. |
| 12:34.54 | e3d3 | but I can try is multisystem (multiboot app) accepts the snapshot |
| 12:35.12 | e3d3 | but I don't think I have enough space for this |
| 12:35.18 | fsmithred | maybe not |
| 12:36.13 | e3d3 | Its good to know that I was right about that I can't have enough USB-sticks, instead of re-organize them |
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| 12:50.11 | e3d3 | fsmithred: Seeing the snapshot being made I remembered that last night I copied 2 movies to a custom temp folder. Sorry that I bothered you with this. Does a higher iso compression ratio slow down booting ? |
| 12:50.50 | fsmithred | I don't know. I never timed it in comparison to un-compressed. |
| 12:51.05 | fsmithred | It does make the squashing take longer. |
| 12:51.34 | e3d3 | Than I try without compression, guessing the iso will still fit on a DVD(RW) |
| 12:51.58 | e3d3 | Must be, the 2 movies where > 5GB |
| 12:52.48 | e3d3 | going to snapshot again |
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| 13:31.47 | e3d3 | fsmithred: If you can read this than the snapshot works, incl networking connecting |
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| 13:35.04 | e3d3 | Now running from same laptop that made the snapshot. I'm going to test it also on my other laptops. |
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| 13:45.33 | fsmithred | good |
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| 13:45.52 | fsmithred | hi |
| 13:46.08 | fsmithred | you're on a different laptop now? |
| 13:46.13 | e3d3 | fsmithred: snapshot boots also on my HP laptop. |
| 13:46.24 | fsmithred | yay! |
| 13:46.33 | e3d3 | but I don't know how to activate the hardware network button/key |
| 13:46.48 | fsmithred | what do you mean? |
| 13:47.52 | e3d3 | The HP laptop is the only one with a network button. I need to enable this first, but it has no default key for it, and don't react on pressing it |
| 13:48.18 | fsmithred | make sure the right firmware is installed for the wireless |
| 13:48.25 | e3d3 | it's specific for that HP laptop (I'm now back on normal Devuan laptop again (Asus)) |
| 13:48.53 | fsmithred | when you next boot that laptop, run lspci to see what network hardware you have |
| 13:49.00 | e3d3 | you warned me before about install specific hardware. |
| 13:49.30 | e3d3 | I have an inxi rapport of that laptop, somewhere |
| 13:49.31 | fsmithred | I warned you before that the wireless hardware usually requires specific firmware packages |
| 13:49.40 | e3d3 | yep, I remember that |
| 13:50.06 | e3d3 | The HP has Realtek network stuf |
| 13:50.41 | fsmithred | ok, and firmware-realtek should be installed (unless you removed it) |
| 13:50.43 | e3d3 | Realtek TRL8111/8168/8411 for wireless |
| 13:51.02 | fsmithred | RTL |
| 13:51.22 | e3d3 | But that won't activate the network (touch)button on this HP |
| 13:51.34 | e3d3 | indeed RTL |
| 13:52.01 | e3d3 | I think my "good" friend google can help me with the switch |
| 13:52.11 | fsmithred | install rfkill and run that |
| 13:54.21 | fsmithred | afk, bbl |
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| 14:09.52 | e3d3 | I see that rfkill is already installed, only /usr/sbin is not in PATH !? |
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| 14:10.42 | e3d3 | and it can only unblock soft wifi block, not a hard block, that is; blocked by a hardware switch |
| 14:10.43 | n4dir | e3d3: you need to either use: su - ; instead of su; or make an according change in a config file i need to search for |
| 14:10.46 | djph | e3d3: normal for non-root (and if you su without loading root's login session) |
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| 14:11.13 | Xenguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.20 | n4dir | ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes |
| 14:11.31 | n4dir | in /etc/default/su ; if that is what you want |
| 14:12.21 | e3d3 | n4dir: sory but I can't follow you. Do I need su - with rfkill for a hard block ? |
| 14:12.44 | n4dir | e3d3: i don't know about rfkill, but if you only type "su" you don't get roots PATH |
| 14:13.09 | n4dir | so either use: su - (plus the hyphen), or if it bugs you, make the change in said config file |
| 14:13.14 | n4dir | clear? |
| 14:14.41 | e3d3 | sorry but I don't get the context of your remarks. Has it to do that /usr/sbin is not in the path ? If so I solved that for now by using the command with whole path |
| 14:15.12 | n4dir | yes, root not getting the PATH when only using "su" is what i speak of |
| 14:15.44 | e3d3 | Okay, but I wasn't even using sudo to invoke the rfkill command |
| 14:15.58 | n4dir | i didn't speak of sudo at all |
| 14:16.09 | n4dir | do: su; echo $PATH |
| 14:16.15 | n4dir | then: su -; echo $PATH |
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| 14:18.10 | e3d3 | I did and see the differences. This is new for me. I'm used to use only sudo in Debian distro's. In PClinuxOS I used su. |
| 14:18.57 | n4dir | it is pretty new. |
| 14:19.46 | e3d3 | so now I have to choice between sudo, su and su - to invoke stuff ? |
| 14:20.25 | e3d3 | nm. I'll will read about it |
| 14:21.23 | n4dir | you could have done su - ; all the time, but now it is necessary, if you want the PATH. There are even more ways to do it. |
| 14:21.54 | e3d3 | incl adding /usr/bin to PATH in ~/.bashrc ? |
| 14:22.11 | e3d3 | bin = sbin |
| 14:22.51 | n4dir | i don't know. Never heard of it, thats for sure. |
| 14:23.02 | n4dir | well, not for that case/problem |
| 14:26.06 | e3d3 | nm. Its a problem for later. First I need to find out how to enable a hardware network switch |
| 14:26.43 | e3d3 | thanks for explaining cq pointing to the su 'thing' |
| 14:27.11 | n4dir | pretty much everyone seems to run into it, including me. |
| 14:27.35 | n4dir | good luck with the real problem. |
| 14:28.01 | e3d3 | then I have to read about sooner that I hoped, but np |
| 14:28.04 | e3d3 | thanks |
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| 14:56.05 | KREYREEN | seeded 1.74 of 10.82 GB worth of devuan torrent~ |
| 14:56.15 | KREYREEN | came to expect virtual headpats |
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| 15:35.47 | KREYREEN | ^-^ |
| 15:36.01 | KREYREEN | thanku~ |
| 15:36.03 | KREYREEN | do that more often~ |
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| 16:18.02 | fsmithred | hardware network switch normally requires a finger. Look carefully at the sides, back and front of the laptop for a physical switch. e3de |
| 16:18.10 | fsmithred | still worng |
| 16:18.18 | fsmithred | e3d3 |
| 16:18.23 | fsmithred | not here |
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| 18:49.25 | ibanja | I need to move var/ data to a new LVM partition. I was going to user rsync -aHAX to sync from old directory to the new partition. Is this the proper way? I'm concerned about preserving permissions, links... and avoiding other unforeseen consequences. |
| 18:51.25 | ibanja | that's use 'rsync -aHAX' |
| 18:52.53 | onefang | Stuff in /var likely has open files currently being written to. That's another unforeseen consequence. |
| 18:53.54 | ibanja | I am using an LVM snapshot |
| 18:55.06 | ibanja | looking at https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/96523/how-can-a-filesystem-be-copied-exactly-as-is |
| 18:55.15 | ibanja | I think I'll give it a go. |
| 18:55.29 | onefang | Things like databases in /var where in a consistent state when this snapshot was made? |
| 18:56.25 | onefang | When I did this not so long ago, I booted into another system with it's own /var, then mounted and copied the other /var. |
| 19:00.37 | ibanja | are you saying you booted from a usb drive and then did it from within the usb system? |
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| 19:03.19 | onefang | Similar, I had another partition with another Linux install on it, and booted from that. |
| 19:07.18 | ibanja | got it... did you rsync or just cp? |
| 19:08.49 | onefang | I used the mc (midnight commander) "copy and preserve attributes" function. |
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| 19:10.00 | ibanja | hmm... good idea. good old mc. thanks. I'm going to try that. |
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