| 00:03.56 | bmelo | is there any bsd-style init out there for debian systems? |
| 00:06.57 | Guest3 | ok there are some unmet dependencies for eudev |
| 00:07.55 | Guest3 | should i do apt --fix-broken install or keep going by the guide |
| 00:11.28 | Guest3 | are these questions easy to answer or something? |
| 00:13.43 | Xenguy_ | Guest3: Hang in and idle for awhile; people come and go who can help |
| 00:13.52 | Guest3 | sorry |
| 00:13.58 | Xenguy_ | Not at all |
| 00:14.41 | Xenguy_ | It's New Years Eve also, so you may have to practice patience more than usual |
| 00:15.28 | Guest3 | that's understandable |
| 00:15.50 | Guest3 | is there any way to ensure the pc doesn't go into sleep while i wait? |
| 00:16.39 | Xenguy_ | I'm not sure about the errors you're getting, but if it were me I'd just plow ahead and see how far you can get, i.e. let the errors ride if you can |
| 00:17.17 | Guest3 | went into xfce power manager to turn display power management off |
| 00:17.23 | Guest3 | hopefully that should do it |
| 00:17.30 | Xenguy_ | See what you end up with, and if a reinstall is needed, oh well |
| 00:18.16 | Xenguy_ | Yeah you found it, it's all largely configured there |
| 00:18.42 | Guest3 | reboot just comes up as not found |
| 00:18.48 | Guest3 | shutdown -r should work right? |
| 00:19.58 | Guest3 | apt-get -f install works, so i guess i'll just install eudev after |
| 00:20.30 | fsmithred | yeah, sometimes you have to repeat the upgrade to get more packages |
| 00:21.50 | Guest3 | alright so shutdown, halt, and poweroff do not work |
| 00:21.55 | fsmithred | if you're in buster, you shoul |
| 00:21.56 | fsmithred | oh |
| 00:22.07 | fsmithred | I guess you don't know about root's path changes |
| 00:22.10 | Guest3 | just says that command isn't found |
| 00:22.12 | Guest3 | no |
| 00:22.16 | fsmithred | did you do 'su' to get root? |
| 00:22.19 | Guest3 | yes |
| 00:22.23 | fsmithred | use full path |
| 00:22.28 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.34 | Guest3 | ok |
| 00:22.35 | fsmithred | or use 'su -' to get root |
| 00:23.05 | fsmithred | or put 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in /etc/default/su |
| 00:23.17 | fsmithred | to get the old behavior |
| 00:23.31 | Guest3 | sbin reboot works |
| 00:23.58 | Guest3 | unfortunately bc of how the comp is setup i have to go into windows to boot into debian |
| 00:24.12 | fsmithred | loadlin??? |
| 00:24.54 | Guest3 | have not tried loadlin |
| 00:25.18 | Guest3 | i installed grub on the linux partition and never fixed it i guess |
| 00:26.53 | Guest3 | ok so |
| 00:27.04 | Guest3 | should i abort kernel removal? |
| 00:27.16 | Guest3 | just did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:28.57 | fsmithred | what kernel removal? |
| 00:29.05 | fsmithred | that should not happen automatically |
| 00:29.30 | fsmithred | you can keep the old kernel until you're sure the new kernel works |
| 00:29.38 | Guest3 | alright i'll probably keep the old kernel then |
| 00:30.23 | Guest3 | says that errors were encountered processing the linux 4.19 image |
| 00:30.42 | Guest3 | everything else seems ok though |
| 00:31.04 | Guest3 | should i purge the systemd libs now? |
| 00:31.16 | fsmithred | autoremove should be safe |
| 00:31.28 | fsmithred | or wait and do it later. |
| 00:31.32 | Guest3 | ok |
| 00:31.35 | fsmithred | the old stuff won't do anything |
| 00:33.03 | fsmithred | if you're sure sysvinit is running, I think it's safe to remove systemd |
| 00:33.08 | Guest3 | so apt-get purge also ran into issues, |
| 00:33.15 | Guest3 | unmet dependencies |
| 00:33.21 | fsmithred | purge what? |
| 00:33.28 | Guest3 | the systemd stuff |
| 00:33.48 | Guest3 | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf |
| 00:33.50 | fsmithred | is elogind installed? |
| 00:33.59 | Guest3 | after dist-upgrade |
| 00:34.06 | fsmithred | and libpam-elogind |
| 00:34.13 | Guest3 | how do i check? eloginid --version? |
| 00:34.26 | fsmithred | dpkg -l | grep elogind |
| 00:35.01 | Guest3 | it's dpkg -l is a lowercase L right? |
| 00:35.07 | fsmithred | yes |
| 00:35.11 | fsmithred | it lists installed packages |
| 00:35.14 | Guest3 | ok nothing came up |
| 00:35.24 | fsmithred | what desktop you got? |
| 00:35.28 | Guest3 | xfce |
| 00:35.47 | fsmithred | is libpam-systemd still installed? |
| 00:36.26 | Guest3 | did the same thing except with grep libpam-systemd |
| 00:36.30 | Guest3 | nothing came up |
| 00:36.37 | Guest3 | however hostnamectl works |
| 00:36.44 | Guest3 | so i'm assuming not all packages are gone |
| 00:37.30 | fsmithred | cat /proc/1/comm |
| 00:37.49 | Guest3 | systemd comes up |
| 00:37.52 | Guest3 | that's it |
| 00:37.54 | fsmithred | ok |
| 00:38.52 | fsmithred | I guess you need to install sysvinit-core |
| 00:39.08 | Guest3 | apt install sysvinit-core? |
| 00:39.13 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 00:39.24 | fsmithred | and then a reboot |
| 00:39.30 | Guest3 | ok that didn't work |
| 00:39.38 | Guest3 | i'm going to try apt --fix-broken install |
| 00:39.40 | fsmithred | won't let you install it? |
| 00:39.50 | Guest3 | yea |
| 00:39.51 | Guest3 | well |
| 00:40.03 | Guest3 | it says Reading state info... done |
| 00:40.13 | Guest3 | and then it pulls up the unmet dependencies |
| 00:40.29 | Guest3 | which are the 4.19 kernel image, which depends on initramfs |
| 00:40.36 | Guest3 | systemd-sysv |
| 00:40.52 | fsmithred | you don't need systemd-sysv |
| 00:41.15 | Guest3 | well |
| 00:41.17 | Guest3 | what should i do |
| 00:41.22 | Guest3 | it's not letting me install stuff |
| 00:41.26 | fsmithred | get debian out of your sources.list |
| 00:41.35 | fsmithred | or sources.list.d/whatever |
| 00:41.42 | fsmithred | there is no systemd-sysv in devuan |
| 00:42.01 | Guest3 | i commented all of the debian stuff out |
| 00:42.11 | fsmithred | and then apt update? |
| 00:42.23 | Guest3 | all right so i guess i could do that |
| 00:42.43 | fsmithred | that updates the package cache so that apt knows what's available |
| 00:42.51 | fsmithred | brb |
| 00:43.56 | Guest3 | still brings up unmet dependencies |
| 00:51.37 | fsmithred | what deps? |
| 00:53.52 | Guest3 | the linux image depends on the initramfs-tools, systemd-sysv conflics with sysvinit core, and sysvinit depends on initscripts, sysv-rc/openrc/file-rc, and conflicts with systemd-sysv |
| 00:54.22 | Guest3 | one of the sysvinit deps can be met with sysv-rc, openrc or file-rc |
| 00:56.29 | fsmithred | install sysv-rc |
| 00:56.41 | fsmithred | maybe a few others with it |
| 00:57.22 | Guest3 | so |
| 00:57.47 | fsmithred | any progress? |
| 00:57.52 | Guest3 | that depends on on innserv and startpar |
| 00:58.12 | Guest3 | i guess i'm starting to understand where the term dependency hell comes from |
| 00:58.29 | fsmithred | yeah, and it seems to be getting worse |
| 01:00.52 | Guest3 | ok so i tried fix broken install |
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| 01:02.51 | Guest3 | brb |
| 01:02.59 | Guest3 | will be back in some time |
| 01:03.06 | fsmithred | ok, here's a discussion that may help https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17716#p17716 |
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| 01:11.38 | Guest3 | so |
| 01:11.41 | Guest3 | i should reboot? |
| 01:12.02 | Guest3 | that seems to be what worked for this person |
| 01:12.26 | Guest3 | i believe i've installed wicd |
| 01:13.03 | Guest3 | so i'll reboot and try to fix my install |
| 01:14.47 | Guest3 | ok |
| 01:14.57 | Guest3 | now it's asking to enter a runlevel |
| 01:15.02 | fsmithred | what? |
| 01:15.20 | Guest3 | because no inittab was found |
| 01:15.36 | fsmithred | this is a reboot attempt? |
| 01:15.39 | Guest3 | yeah |
| 01:16.09 | fsmithred | maybe you can still boot systemd |
| 01:16.20 | Guest3 | how |
| 01:16.27 | fsmithred | press e at the boot menu |
| 01:16.34 | fsmithred | scroll down to the linux line |
| 01:16.40 | fsmithred | add the following to that line |
| 01:16.55 | fsmithred | init=/lib/systemd/... uh-ho |
| 01:16.59 | fsmithred | you need to look |
| 01:17.06 | fsmithred | is it /lib/systemd/systemd? |
| 01:17.23 | Guest3 | ok |
| 01:17.41 | Guest3 | i thought it would be a good idea to do level 3 bc it started it normally |
| 01:17.55 | Guest3 | but it says no more processes are left at the runlevel |
| 01:18.07 | Guest3 | well that was stupid |
| 01:18.12 | fsmithred | you have runlevel 3 configured specially? |
| 01:18.16 | Guest3 | no |
| 01:18.32 | fsmithred | does that file exist or not? |
| 01:18.46 | fsmithred | if so, boot systemd |
| 01:18.54 | fsmithred | otherwise you have to fix it in chroot |
| 01:18.55 | Guest3 | can't type anything |
| 01:19.03 | fsmithred | at the boot menu? |
| 01:19.09 | Guest3 | i guess |
| 01:19.34 | fsmithred | what does it look like? |
| 01:19.39 | Guest3 | black screen |
| 01:19.46 | fsmithred | read me some words |
| 01:19.48 | Guest3 | it says INIT: version 2.93 booting |
| 01:19.56 | Guest3 | INIT: No inittab file found |
| 01:20.00 | Guest3 | Enter runlevel: |
| 01:20.01 | fsmithred | yeah, that's not going to work |
| 01:20.02 | Guest3 | so i typed 3 |
| 01:20.03 | fsmithred | reboot |
| 01:20.06 | Guest3 | and it sas |
| 01:20.16 | Guest3 | init: entering runlevel: 3 |
| 01:20.17 | fsmithred | and when you get to the boot menu, press e to edit |
| 01:20.23 | Guest3 | no more processes left |
| 01:20.27 | Guest3 | and i can't type anything |
| 01:20.27 | fsmithred | yeah, ok |
| 01:20.38 | fsmithred | because it can't use sysvinit |
| 01:20.57 | fsmithred | you must boot systemd |
| 01:21.00 | Guest3 | i guess i'll turn the systemoff then |
| 01:21.05 | Guest3 | bc i can't type anything |
| 01:21.25 | fsmithred | yeah, power button |
| 01:23.20 | Guest3 | ok i'm in grub |
| 01:23.26 | Guest3 | it's booting debian |
| 01:23.37 | Guest3 | once again it's at the runlevel part |
| 01:23.45 | fsmithred | you have to tell it to use system |
| 01:23.49 | fsmithred | reboot |
| 01:23.57 | fsmithred | at the boot menu press e to edit |
| 01:24.03 | Guest3 | ok so 6 |
| 01:24.19 | Guest3 | 6 is supposed to reboot |
| 01:24.21 | fsmithred | does that work? |
| 01:24.24 | Guest3 | uh |
| 01:24.30 | Guest3 | well it's saying no more processes |
| 01:24.31 | fsmithred | yeah, if you're using sysvinit, 6 is reboot |
| 01:24.36 | fsmithred | but you are not using sysvinit |
| 01:24.39 | Guest3 | i think i am |
| 01:24.40 | fsmithred | or any other init system |
| 01:24.46 | fsmithred | it's dead |
| 01:24.53 | Guest3 | because it just says INIT: version 2.93 |
| 01:25.07 | Guest3 | ah ok |
| 01:25.10 | Guest3 | so reinstall then |
| 01:25.11 | fsmithred | you think it was booting debian becausae you saw a menu that said Debian? |
| 01:25.16 | fsmithred | nNONONO |
| 01:25.20 | fsmithred | reboot systemd |
| 01:25.24 | Guest3 | i'm trying |
| 01:25.27 | fsmithred | olisten to what I'm telling you to do |
| 01:25.33 | Guest3 | ok |
| 01:25.35 | fsmithred | do you know what the boot menu looks like? |
| 01:25.37 | Guest3 | so i should press e in grub then? |
| 01:25.41 | fsmithred | yes |
| 01:25.44 | Guest3 | ok |
| 01:25.48 | Guest3 | god i'm an idiot |
| 01:25.55 | Guest3 | i thought i asked that but i guess i never did |
| 01:26.03 | fsmithred | now with arrow keys, scroll down to the linux line |
| 01:26.15 | fsmithred | and to the end of that line |
| 01:26.28 | fsmithred | and I have to guess the path |
| 01:26.44 | Guest3 | one sec i need to boot linux again |
| 01:26.47 | fsmithred | maybe I don't |
| 01:26.55 | fsmithred | boot what linux? |
| 01:27.11 | Guest3 | i need to go into windows uefi boot to do this |
| 01:27.39 | Guest3 | ok it's starting |
| 01:27.58 | Guest3 | at linux line |
| 01:28.16 | Guest3 | the /boot/vmlinuz-4.19 line |
| 01:28.46 | Guest3 | the top part says setparams 'Debian GNU/Linux' |
| 01:29.21 | fsmithred | scroll down to the line that starts wtih linux |
| 01:29.27 | Guest3 | i'm tere |
| 01:29.30 | Guest3 | what do i do |
| 01:29.34 | fsmithred | end of the line, type |
| 01:29.41 | fsmithred | init=/lib/systemd/systemd |
| 01:29.58 | fsmithred | then press ctrl-x |
| 01:30.20 | Guest3 | ok so everytime i type a forward slash a backslash accompanies it |
| 01:30.40 | fsmithred | only when the line wraps, I hope |
| 01:30.47 | Guest3 | yeah |
| 01:30.50 | fsmithred | ok |
| 01:31.06 | Guest3 | so ctrl+x then |
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| 01:33.34 | Guest3 | so uh |
| 01:33.43 | Guest3 | now i'm in emergency mode |
| 01:33.45 | Guest3 | for systemd |
| 01:33.59 | fsmithred | it booted? |
| 01:34.09 | fsmithred | you're at a command prompt? |
| 01:34.15 | Guest3 | well |
| 01:34.26 | Guest3 | now it says give root password for maintenance |
| 01:34.31 | Guest3 | or control d to continue |
| 01:35.29 | Guest3 | but yeah i guess it did boot in emergency mode |
| 01:35.35 | Guest3 | if that counts |
| 01:35.38 | fsmithred | give root password |
| 01:35.55 | Guest3 | ok |
| 01:35.59 | Guest3 | i'm in a shell |
| 01:36.05 | fsmithred | look in /boot and make sure there's initrd.img-<version> to match the running kernel |
| 01:36.12 | fsmithred | uname -r |
| 01:36.17 | fsmithred | to see the kernel version |
| 01:36.20 | Guest3 | seems like there is |
| 01:36.36 | Guest3 | initrd.img-4.19.0-11-amd64 |
| 01:36.40 | Guest3 | same as the kernel |
| 01:36.47 | fsmithred | ok, that's good |
| 01:37.41 | fsmithred | you probably don't have internet connection |
| 01:38.12 | Guest3 | should i do a connection test? |
| 01:38.20 | fsmithred | ping google.com |
| 01:38.30 | fsmithred | ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 01:38.47 | Guest3 | tried google.com, said ping: google.com: name or service not known |
| 01:39.01 | fsmithred | try the numbers |
| 01:39.09 | Guest3 | 8.8.8.8 says network is unreachable |
| 01:39.13 | fsmithred | ok |
| 01:39.14 | Guest3 | i think you're right about networks |
| 01:39.43 | fsmithred | I don't know how to get to multi-user graphical whatever they call it with systemd |
| 01:39.59 | Guest3 | well |
| 01:40.08 | Guest3 | it failed to raise network interfaces |
| 01:40.11 | Guest3 | that might be impossible |
| 01:40.30 | fsmithred | you're in rescue mode or equivalent of runlevel 1 |
| 01:40.37 | fsmithred | but systemd does not have runlevels |
| 01:40.39 | fsmithred | it has targets |
| 01:40.43 | fsmithred | and I have no arrows |
| 01:40.52 | Guest3 | ah ok |
| 01:41.00 | fsmithred | how to change |
| 01:41.03 | Guest3 | so it says target network is reached |
| 01:41.09 | Guest3 | target network is online |
| 01:41.12 | fsmithred | oh, cool |
| 01:41.22 | fsmithred | did you do something to connect? |
| 01:41.24 | Guest3 | network time synchronization |
| 01:41.29 | Guest3 | and system time synchronized |
| 01:41.31 | Guest3 | no |
| 01:41.37 | Guest3 | this is just the systemd boot thing that comes up |
| 01:41.51 | fsmithred | ip a |
| 01:42.06 | fsmithred | look for an ip address on your interface |
| 01:42.12 | Guest3 | alright |
| 01:42.14 | fsmithred | eth0 or enpsxxxxx |
| 01:42.39 | Guest3 | http://127.0.0.1/ |
| 01:42.43 | fsmithred | no |
| 01:42.45 | Guest3 | shows up for lo |
| 01:42.46 | fsmithred | lol |
| 01:42.50 | Guest3 | uh |
| 01:42.54 | fsmithred | yeah, that's localhost. you. |
| 01:43.01 | Guest3 | i can't see anything for eno2 |
| 01:43.08 | fsmithred | try |
| 01:43.12 | fsmithred | dhclient eno2 |
| 01:43.20 | fsmithred | that's really the interface name? |
| 01:43.42 | Guest3 | nothing came up for dhclient eno2 |
| 01:44.04 | fsmithred | no error? |
| 01:44.07 | fsmithred | ip a |
| 01:44.27 | Guest3 | this time an ip came up |
| 01:44.32 | fsmithred | cool |
| 01:44.40 | fsmithred | that means you can continue with the upgrade |
| 01:44.49 | fsmithred | if only we knew what commands to use |
| 01:45.00 | fsmithred | history |
| 01:45.08 | fsmithred | will show you what commands you used before |
| 01:45.14 | fsmithred | might help to reorient you |
| 01:45.36 | Guest3 | yeah ik that, so i should just continue with the migration? |
| 01:45.48 | fsmithred | try it |
| 01:45.50 | fsmithred | I would |
| 01:46.11 | fsmithred | actually, I would be pretty angry if I were in your position |
| 01:46.24 | fsmithred | and I'm pretty angry right here in mine |
| 01:47.09 | Guest3 | this isn't the first time i've had issues |
| 01:47.22 | Guest3 | debian unstable screwed up for some reason |
| 01:47.29 | Guest3 | probably bc i didn't use a minimal netinst |
| 01:47.51 | Guest3 | maybe if i retry with a minimal netinst it'll not screw up as badly? |
| 01:47.57 | Guest3 | i'm not sure |
| 01:48.11 | Guest3 | anyways i guess it's a good time to mention the livecd image i used |
| 01:48.29 | Guest3 | it was one of the ones that came preinstalled with a DE(xfce in my case) |
| 01:49.13 | Guest3 | so it took up a lot more than the netinst(i think the netinst was a couple hundred mb, the one i used this time took at least 2 gb) |
| 01:49.43 | fsmithred | yeah, the full system is in the iso |
| 01:49.58 | Guest3 | i'm mentioning this bc the debian wiki says that minimal isos are better for upgrading to testing or unstable |
| 01:50.02 | fsmithred | you end up with about the same amount on the hard disk after install |
| 01:50.11 | Guest3 | ah |
| 01:50.19 | fsmithred | oh, this was a new buster install? |
| 01:50.23 | Guest3 | well |
| 01:50.30 | Guest3 | yeah more or less |
| 01:50.41 | Guest3 | i installed, i think i installed git |
| 01:50.49 | Guest3 | and that was kind of all i've done with this specific install |
| 01:50.51 | fsmithred | that's the hard way to get devuan |
| 01:51.06 | fsmithred | easier to start with a devuan iso |
| 01:51.44 | fsmithred | the advice about netinstall is probably for upgrading to the testing suite when there are no isos for it. |
| 01:52.02 | fsmithred | do a minimal install, then upgrade, then add the rest of what you want. |
| 01:52.09 | fsmithred | rather than upgrade a full system |
| 01:52.51 | Guest3 | ah ic |
| 01:53.27 | fsmithred | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/ |
| 01:53.43 | fsmithred | there are netinstall isos on that page |
| 01:53.58 | Guest3 | i can live-test this right? |
| 01:54.12 | fsmithred | live iso are up one level and over |
| 01:54.30 | fsmithred | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/desktop-live/ |
| 01:54.55 | Guest3 | ok |
| 01:54.56 | fsmithred | You can install from the live isos, but it's a different installer (refractainstaller) |
| 01:55.10 | Guest3 | have you used both? |
| 01:55.15 | fsmithred | also, the live isos have nonfree firmware installed so you can test wireless |
| 01:55.34 | fsmithred | lol,yeah, I've used them more times than I care to think about |
| 01:55.43 | fsmithred | I make the live isos, and I help test all of them |
| 01:55.56 | Guest3 | i think the computer uses ethernet |
| 01:56.10 | fsmithred | good. that works better. |
| 01:56.58 | Guest3 | i'll try that then tomorrow |
| 01:57.48 | fsmithred | I think that will be easier than sorting out the migration |
| 01:58.36 | Guest3 | well thank you for putting up with me |
| 01:58.45 | Guest3 | and thank you for all the help |
| 01:58.47 | fsmithred | yw |
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| 03:06.48 | DashiePie | hey, if I want newer stuff for Beowulf, what do I put in sources.list for backports? |
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| 03:17.05 | gnarface | DashiePie: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main contrib non-free |
| 03:17.35 | DashiePie | okay, thanks |
| 03:18.01 | gnarface | np |
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| 04:09.23 | Xenguy_ | Looks like wicd has been removed from Debian, pending Upstream's effort to port from Python2 to Python3... |
| 04:10.11 | Xenguy_ | The current maintainer intends to bring it back, once Upstream is finished porting, which apparently won't be next Tuesday after lunch |
| 04:12.20 | Xenguy_ | Work in progress |
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| 04:14.02 | Xenguy_ | Looks like I have to install Network Manager, or hack at wpa-supplicant. Anyone use the latter? |
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| 04:23.36 | metalune[m] | Hi |
| 04:24.11 | metalune[m] | I've been thinking about trying out devuan, because I switched from artix to debian (searching for a more stable system do to my work on) but I miss runit |
| 04:24.26 | metalune[m] | but I am unsure about how stable devuan is |
| 04:27.59 | Xenguy_ | Devuan is Debian with some omissions I think |
| 04:28.28 | Xenguy_ | So if you consider Debian stable, then I would say Devuan must needs be also |
| 04:29.30 | Xenguy_ | I've used both over the years, and I see no real difference (besides the obvious systemd) |
| 04:31.42 | metalune[m] | hum.. because I had tons of problems with setting up pulseaudio myself and also with SDL (on artix) and I don't wanna re-encounter that in devuan if possible |
| 04:32.54 | Xenguy_ | For me, audio (with PA) just works. Beowulf required me to comment out 1 line in a PA file, and it was well documented in the Release Notes |
| 04:33.22 | Xenguy_ | What is your hardware? And did it work on Debian? |
| 04:34.13 | metalune[m] | It works flawlessly on debian |
| 04:34.18 | metalune[m] | and hardware wise... I have no idea |
| 04:34.25 | metalune[m] | I just use a ThinkPad x230 |
| 04:34.34 | metalune[m] | there are usually no compatibility problems with i t |
| 04:34.34 | Xenguy_ | So if you are installing Devuan on the same hardware, it should work also |
| 04:34.40 | metalune[m] | neat |
| 04:34.47 | metalune[m] | I will give it a try then |
| 04:34.55 | Xenguy_ | Oh yeah, that should be no problem, I run the same thinkpad issue here |
| 04:35.58 | metalune[m] | thinkpad issue? |
| 04:35.59 | Xenguy_ | Say, got any good X230 batteries to sell? ; -) |
| 04:36.07 | metalune[m] | heh, no, sorry |
| 04:36.10 | metalune[m] | I need mine |
| 04:36.14 | Xenguy_ | I just mean I run Thinkpads also |
| 04:36.20 | metalune[m] | I love this laptop |
| 04:36.57 | Xenguy_ | I have an X220, and I love it the same way, but it's costing me money lately. Any OT I suppose. |
| 04:37.27 | Xenguy_ | There is #devuan-offtopic for that |
| 04:38.40 | metalune[m] | I am on there too |
| 04:38.51 | Xenguy_ | cool |
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| 05:00.49 | metalune[m] | omfg |
| 05:00.59 | metalune[m] | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/ |
| 05:01.17 | metalune[m] | why is the devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64_desktop.iso 3.6GB large?? |
| 05:01.23 | metalune[m] | what the hell is in that thing |
| 05:04.06 | Xenguy_ | I always use the netinst ISO |
| 05:05.11 | metalune[m] | xD |
| 05:05.18 | Xenguy_ | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall.iso |
| 05:05.19 | metalune[m] | can't even consider that with my shitty internet |
| 05:05.28 | Xenguy_ | damn |
| 05:05.44 | metalune[m] | I'm gonna go to bed now |
| 05:05.49 | metalune[m] | it's 6AM and I was up all night long |
| 05:05.57 | Xenguy_ | HNY then |
| 05:06.21 | metalune[m] | ty ditto |
| 05:06.36 | metalune[m] | I'll tell you how it went after I dual-boot devuan in the morning |
| 05:06.38 | metalune[m] | *evening |
| 05:06.47 | Xenguy_ | o/ |
| 05:08.01 | DashiePie | fsmithred: 'scuse me, but I have a question about my upgrade to Chimaera |
| 05:11.32 | DashiePie | or if anyone else can help me understand why this is happening... so, I did apt upgrade, and it's telling me that it wants to switch "user irc's directory from /var/run/ircd to /run/ircd" |
| 05:12.09 | DashiePie | I'm just unsure why this popped up? |
| 05:18.28 | fsmithred | because some package changed that dir. Say yes. |
| 05:19.15 | fsmithred | g'night |
| 05:19.17 | fsmithred | zzzzz |
| 05:21.04 | Xenguy_ | HNY fsmithred |
| 05:23.27 | DashiePie | thanks, fsmith |
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| 09:00.43 | dashie_ | hello |
| 09:01.12 | dashie_ | I'm in irssi right now, trying to figure out why X is being stubborn |
| 09:01.58 | dashie_ | specifically, I just upgraded, mostly, from Beowulf to Chimaera, and now X's auth portion is telling me that the MIT MAGIC COOKIE is invalid |
| 09:02.28 | dashie_ | I'm using MATE as well |
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| 09:46.42 | unixbsd | Happy New Year, Best wishes for 2021! |
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| 10:01.41 | dashie_ | anyone here? |
| 10:19.43 | metalune[m] | I am here |
| 10:20.06 | dashie_ | oh, good |
| 10:20.25 | dashie_ | so, I upgraded to Chimaera, and X stopped authenticating me |
| 10:20.59 | dashie_ | my latest discovery, with the help of my dear friend, seems to have revealed that MATE can't find /etc/securetty |
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| 10:23.01 | bernte | happy new year everyone |
| 10:23.25 | dashie_ | can anyone help me? at all? |
| 10:29.14 | metalune[m] | uhm... I am not on devuan yet |
| 10:29.20 | metalune[m] | kinda new here myself |
| 10:29.58 | dashie_ | I don't expect miracles, it's okay |
| 10:30.27 | metalune[m] | maybe go to #devuan-dev |
| 10:30.47 | metalune[m] | I think it's likely that you'll be able to get in contact with a dev there |
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| 10:55.28 | unixbsd | Would *Java* be into the base cacerts? https://termbin.com/iykc |
| 11:07.35 | dashie_ | I think I found out why |
| 11:07.43 | dashie_ | MATE was pretty much gutted |
| 11:08.08 | dashie_ | unsure why |
| 11:08.16 | unixbsd | what do you mean by gutted? |
| 11:08.19 | unixbsd | I use evilwm ;) |
| 11:08.47 | dashie_ | I mean when I upgraded, it removed a lot of MATE's packages |
| 11:09.07 | dashie_ | when I autoremoved the rest of the packages, it was way less than the 223 it wanted to install |
| 11:09.21 | dashie_ | 30 or so vs 223 |
| 11:09.22 | dashie_ | gutted |
| 11:09.47 | dashie_ | and I have zero idea why |
| 11:10.13 | dashie_ | I mean, zero idea why it didn't reinstall all those packages it was apparently missing |
| 11:10.22 | unixbsd | it can happen with upgrading, this is why, I usually debootstrap, and apt-get on clean /target, then put on another partition. |
| 11:10.53 | dashie_ | if I reboot to a nice, clean desktop, I'll be happy |
| 11:11.07 | dashie_ | the past 6 hours have been torture |
| 11:11.14 | dashie_ | and tiring |
| 11:12.08 | dashie_ | there were three packages that weren't ever updated, though |
| 11:12.38 | dashie_ | all three of them are python2, but the dependents that are keeping them from upgrading are python? |
| 11:12.44 | unixbsd | I use an evilish script/c to create a new system within max. 5 min. on my own devuan apache2 server. this crap C code allows to install devuan in max. 5 min with own server: https://termbin.com/r2sd |
| 11:12.46 | dashie_ | like, python 1 |
| 11:16.21 | dashie_ | brb, rebooting |
| 11:16.31 | unixbsd | good luck |
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| 11:19.34 | dashie_ | aaaaaaaaaa, it didn't work |
| 11:19.35 | dashie_ | why |
| 11:21.19 | unixbsd | did you missed lib/modules? does it has a kernel... log? you can show us if you arent scared or dmesg... : cd / ; find -iname "*" | nc termbin.com 9999 (<-- dangerous) |
| 11:21.54 | dashie_ | as far as I can tell, it's not authenticating me in VT7, only VT1-6 |
| 11:22.24 | dashie_ | I'm stuck in the VTs |
| 11:22.37 | dashie_ | command line* |
| 11:22.46 | unixbsd | ah, it may no start X11. |
| 11:23.03 | dashie_ | VT7 comes up, allows me to input my login |
| 11:23.04 | dashie_ | just |
| 11:23.06 | unixbsd | maybe apt-get install slim and add legacy to help a bit: apt-get install -y xserver-xorg-legacy |
| 11:23.07 | dashie_ | nothing |
| 11:23.55 | dashie_ | it says it fails to... hang on |
| 11:24.04 | dashie_ | failed to start session |
| 11:24.30 | unixbsd | normally "slim" is pretty ok to start X11 as login manager. |
| 11:24.44 | unixbsd | what about " startx -- :2 " ? |
| 11:24.52 | dashie_ | once I input my login, I have to click the login button again to even get that error message |
| 11:25.11 | unixbsd | is .xsession in $USER missing? |
| 11:25.29 | dashie_ | I'm tired and also dumb |
| 11:25.31 | unixbsd | echo xterm > .xsession <-- and try to login with slim |
| 11:27.26 | dashie_ | I need sleep |
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| 16:36.35 | dashie_ | what's the command to fix broken packages with apt? |
| 16:37.53 | fsmithred | apt -f install |
| 16:38.54 | dashie_ | well that's not good, it didn't find any broken packages |
| 16:39.45 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.07 | dashie_ | okay, so here's the problem, VT7 refuses to load into MATE, I try to login, it blinks to a black screen, one of the other VTs, and then it says "failed to load session" or something similar |
| 16:40.26 | dashie_ | I just upgraded to Chimaera last night, and this is the result |
| 16:41.04 | dashie_ | if it's relevant, there are 3 packages still held back, all related to python2, and python1 seems to be what's preventing them from updating |
| 16:41.42 | n4dir | You start the GUI session with startx? |
| 16:42.49 | dashie_ | well, I just did, and it looks like a bunch of stuff is missing |
| 16:43.39 | fsmithred | stuff in mate is missing? |
| 16:43.43 | fsmithred | you got to desktop? |
| 16:44.10 | dashie_ | I tried startx in VT3, and it loaded, just not with everything intact |
| 16:44.28 | dashie_ | some options are missing from the system dropdown, not all of my programs are showing up |
| 16:44.39 | dashie_ | my wallpaper isn't loaded |
| 16:44.55 | fsmithred | create a new user, log in as that user and see if the desktop looks complete |
| 16:45.09 | dashie_ | okay, what's the command to do that? |
| 16:45.17 | fsmithred | as root or with sudo |
| 16:45.26 | dashie_ | not what I meant |
| 16:45.27 | fsmithred | adduser fred |
| 16:45.30 | dashie_ | okayt |
| 16:46.00 | dashie_ | how do I stop the X session in VT3? |
| 16:46.19 | fsmithred | log out of it? |
| 16:46.23 | fsmithred | ctrl-c? |
| 16:46.29 | n4dir | display-manager involved? if yes: /etc/init.d/name_of stop. |
| 16:46.40 | n4dir | But i think startx will then start the display-manager again. |
| 16:46.58 | fsmithred | no, it won't |
| 16:47.07 | fsmithred | it'll just start the desktop |
| 16:47.16 | n4dir | ages ago i had a display-manager. |
| 16:47.26 | fsmithred | ages ago I did not |
| 16:47.27 | fsmithred | lol |
| 16:47.50 | dashie_ | it seems frozen now |
| 16:48.00 | dashie_ | nope, it shut down |
| 16:48.11 | dashie_ | what does it mean by "room number"? |
| 16:48.16 | fsmithred | what graphics card you got? |
| 16:48.28 | dashie_ | hd 7770 vapor-x from sapphire |
| 16:48.29 | fsmithred | you can ignore those personal fields |
| 16:48.37 | dashie_ | just enter through them? |
| 16:48.42 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 16:48.52 | fsmithred | I even leave real name blank |
| 16:49.14 | dashie_ | didn't do anything, no dice |
| 16:49.23 | fsmithred | is firmware-amd-graphics installed? |
| 16:49.39 | fsmithred | you saying no desktop with the new user? |
| 16:49.54 | dashie_ | yes, it's installed |
| 16:49.59 | dashie_ | same error with new user |
| 16:50.44 | fsmithred | is task-mate-desktop installed? |
| 16:50.53 | n4dir | now try a WindowManager. |
| 16:50.54 | dashie_ | yes, I did purge it, but I reinstalled it |
| 16:50.55 | fsmithred | or desktop-base? |
| 16:51.02 | dashie_ | desktop-base unsure about |
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| 16:51.11 | fsmithred | those probably aren't ready in chimaera |
| 16:51.18 | fsmithred | I'm sure desktop-base isn't ready |
| 16:51.19 | dashie_ | desktop-base installed |
| 16:51.45 | fsmithred | but that probably wouldn't cause a problem |
| 16:51.56 | fsmithred | there's not really anything in it for mate |
| 16:52.23 | fsmithred | the task-desktop package might cause problems due to dependencies |
| 16:52.34 | dashie_ | it didn't seem to |
| 16:52.39 | fsmithred | ok |
| 16:52.50 | fsmithred | try dist-upgrade again, I guess |
| 16:52.57 | fsmithred | see if you can get the missing packages |
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| 16:53.47 | dashie_ | now it's trying to remove 6 packages, |
| 16:53.58 | fsmithred | which? |
| 16:54.13 | dashie_ | a bunch of python ones, python, python-pygame, python-numpy |
| 16:54.29 | dashie_ | python-olefile, python-pathlib |
| 16:54.32 | fsmithred | maybe try 'aptitude full-upgrade' and see what other options it offers you |
| 16:55.52 | dashie_ | it wants to remove one more file, as well as leave a couple dependencies unresolved |
| 16:55.55 | fsmithred | I don't see either python-numpy or python-pygame in chimaera |
| 16:56.05 | fsmithred | didn't check the others |
| 16:56.14 | dashie_ | hum |
| 16:56.29 | dashie_ | it wants to remove libpython-stdlib, I think it was called |
| 16:56.33 | fsmithred | there is python-pygame in ceres |
| 16:56.42 | fsmithred | so it will probably move into chimaera |
| 16:56.57 | dashie_ | I think I needed them for one of my games |
| 16:57.00 | dashie_ | don't remember |
| 16:58.13 | fsmithred | interesting. I don't see libpython-stdlib in chimaera or ceres, but I have it installed, and it's a newer version than the one in beowulf |
| 16:58.23 | fsmithred | welcome to the joys of running a testing system |
| 16:58.37 | dashie_ | yeah, it's complaining about versions is why python 2 was held back |
| 16:59.09 | fsmithred | you might need to add ceres to sources.list and pin it to a lower priority |
| 16:59.45 | dashie_ | hm |
| 16:59.48 | fsmithred | then you can selectively pull fixes from ceres |
| 16:59.53 | n4dir | if you don't you might just as well remove the testing lines from sources.list, don't you? |
| 17:00.12 | fsmithred | yeah, if you don't pin it, you'll upgrade to ceres |
| 17:00.40 | fsmithred | then you not only get the fixes earlier, you get the breakage earlier, too |
| 17:01.08 | dashie_ | how would I pin it in sources.list? |
| 17:01.10 | n4dir | the opinions if it is better to run testing, mixed testing-unstable or unstable differ quite a bit. I am in favor of the latter |
| 17:01.30 | dashie_ | and is that what you recommend? |
| 17:01.47 | fsmithred | create a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ |
| 17:01.52 | fsmithred | call it whatever you want |
| 17:01.59 | fsmithred | three lines |
| 17:02.34 | fsmithred | Package: * |
| 17:02.35 | fsmithred | Pin: release n=ceres |
| 17:02.35 | fsmithred | Pin-Priority: 50 |
| 17:02.52 | dashie_ | thankfully not a lot of typing, I can't exactly copy paste |
| 17:02.59 | fsmithred | you could make it 100 instead of 50 |
| 17:03.27 | n4dir | dashie_: i'd say that testing-unstable testing set to Default, aka pinning, is the most healthy way. Pure unstable is less fiddling, but more risk of breakage. |
| 17:03.31 | n4dir | APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 17:03.36 | dashie_ | what does pin-priority do? |
| 17:03.56 | n4dir | that in /etc/apt/apt.conf ; would work too, set "testing" accordingly (ceres? I wouldn't know) |
| 17:04.31 | n4dir | less typing, more i didn't say |
| 17:04.40 | fsmithred | pin-priority determines whether/when packages get installed or upgraded from that repo |
| 17:04.44 | fsmithred | 500 is default |
| 17:05.00 | fsmithred | if you don't pin ceres, then any installed packages will get upgraded to ceres |
| 17:05.16 | fsmithred | pin it to less than 500 and you have to specify that you want to install from ceres |
| 17:05.26 | dashie_ | okay |
| 17:05.26 | fsmithred | apt -t ceres install python-pygame |
| 17:05.53 | fsmithred | set ceres to 100 and the packages from ceres will be upgraded whenever you upgrade |
| 17:06.04 | fsmithred | less than 100 and they will only upgrade when you say so |
| 17:06.44 | fsmithred | see man apt_preferences for full explanation of pinning |
| 17:07.41 | dashie_ | okay |
| 17:07.48 | fsmithred | reading it now, maybe the 50 should be 1 |
| 17:08.28 | dashie_ | it comes up with an error |
| 17:08.36 | n4dir | i got it set to 100 and that seems to work too. |
| 17:08.51 | dashie_ | it basically says "that's not a source |
| 17:08.53 | dashie_ | " |
| 17:09.11 | dashie_ | oh, I forgot to add it to my sources.list |
| 17:09.16 | dashie_ | cause I am dumb |
| 17:09.30 | n4dir | well, in the middle of a fight it happens to everyone, i guess |
| 17:09.32 | fsmithred | lol |
| 17:09.35 | fsmithred | yup |
| 17:09.37 | n4dir | or i am dumb too, fine with that |
| 17:10.01 | fsmithred | set to 100 and any installed packages from ceres will get automatic upgrades |
| 17:10.01 | dashie_ | yep, I'm fighting my computer... and losing terribly |
| 17:10.22 | fsmithred | you have to swear at it, really bad stuff |
| 17:10.30 | fsmithred | the worst you can think of |
| 17:10.55 | dashie_ | it's the same everything as Chimaera, just Ceres instead? |
| 17:11.12 | dashie_ | should I use main contrib and non-free? |
| 17:11.28 | dashie_ | considering I have to manually install anything from there anyway |
| 17:12.00 | n4dir | I think once you installed a package with -t ; then it will get the according upgrades. So not really "manually" |
| 17:12.20 | n4dir | contrib and non-free depends if you need them. |
| 17:12.24 | dashie_ | I have it set to priority 50 |
| 17:12.39 | fsmithred | you need it for firmware-amd-graphics |
| 17:13.02 | n4dir | And Sid and Ceres only have the "main" line, not security or such |
| 17:13.44 | fsmithred | thanks, you just reminded me that I need those lines commented out in the isos I'm making today |
| 17:13.48 | dashie_ | I really think I'll just stick to what's in Chimaera |
| 17:14.00 | dashie_ | you're welcome |
| 17:14.08 | dashie_ | I'm glad my misfortune has helped someone |
| 17:14.21 | dashie_ | not being sarcastic, but I'm still salty about it |
| 17:14.23 | fsmithred | yeah, if you have a problem, then you can see if there's a fix in ceres |
| 17:14.24 | n4dir | good choice too. Adding sid is only useful as sometimes packages are "held", and a problem in testing can't be quickly fixed. |
| 17:14.44 | n4dir | i don't think that happens all the time. It can happen. |
| 17:15.34 | n4dir | dashie_: Is the actual problem that you have no working GUI? Mate, that is? If so, install something working (or test if something else works). Then you got a GUI to troubleshoot more |
| 17:15.38 | n4dir | just a proposal |
| 17:15.46 | dashie_ | and yet again, I forgot to do apt update |
| 17:15.55 | dashie_ | and I do have a gui, I just can't log in |
| 17:16.09 | n4dir | yeah, i meant a working one |
| 17:17.05 | n4dir | which always can be the display-manager, which is the first thing i would move out of the way (for the troubleshooting) |
| 17:17.46 | fsmithred | you still have policykit-1 and policykit-1-gnome installed? |
| 17:18.03 | fsmithred | elogind and libpam-elogind also |
| 17:18.04 | dashie_ | will check |
| 17:18.12 | fsmithred | I need to go make lunch |
| 17:18.33 | fsmithred | I'll be back in about 20 minutes |
| 17:18.59 | dashie_ | how do I search installed packages? |
| 17:19.05 | dashie_ | because I'm dumb |
| 17:19.18 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep <pattern> |
| 17:19.38 | fsmithred | bbiab |
| 17:19.56 | dashie_ | policykit packages are installed |
| 17:20.25 | dashie_ | yep, it's all installed |
| 17:21.04 | dashie_ | brb |
| 17:30.00 | dashie_ | back |
| 17:32.10 | dashie_ | n4dir: by the way, I think it has something to do with authentication, from some of the logs I've looked through, it says it's failed to authenticate the session |
| 17:32.22 | dashie_ | not me, just the session |
| 17:33.52 | n4dir | There is a lot of if and when and then (which softeware, so on). |
| 17:33.59 | n4dir | Still: you use a display-manager |
| 17:34.01 | n4dir | ? |
| 17:34.14 | n4dir | The other thing: ages ago i had problems with the file ~/.Xauthority |
| 17:34.39 | dashie_ | I use MATE, and that's all I know |
| 17:34.41 | n4dir | i removed it, and the problem was solved. remove might mean: mv ~/.Xauthority ~/Xauthority_Backup |
| 17:34.58 | dashie_ | my friend actually had me try that |
| 17:35.00 | dashie_ | no dics |
| 17:35.00 | n4dir | the thing before you see Mate itself. The login screen. Where you enter username and passwd |
| 17:35.02 | dashie_ | dice* |
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| 17:35.20 | dashie_ | what about it is supposed to tip me off? |
| 17:35.52 | n4dir | You got such a login screen? Which most call display-manger? |
| 17:36.03 | dashie_ | uh, yeah, I get a login screen |
| 17:36.42 | n4dir | Good. So, first test, i would install a small WM, say "apt-get install fluxbox", and choose that from the display-manager |
| 17:36.53 | n4dir | Check if that works. If it does, the problem is within Mate |
| 17:37.14 | n4dir | If it doesn't, stop the display-manager, say /etc/init.d/name-of stop; then use startx to start X |
| 17:37.31 | n4dir | If that fails too, then i ran out of ideas. You already tested a different user above, iirc |
| 17:37.40 | dashie_ | it had two options by default, actually |
| 17:37.52 | dashie_ | "default X session" was the other |
| 17:37.54 | dashie_ | for some reason |
| 17:38.17 | dashie_ | I tried that, unintentionally, if that matters |
| 17:38.29 | n4dir | Then there are log file. ~/.xsession-errors , or similar |
| 17:38.39 | xinomilo | never had issues with MATE, do you have elogind+lightdm installed along MATE? |
| 17:39.08 | xinomilo | i think slim DM had some issues, but never really used it tbh. |
| 17:39.29 | dashie_ | I have elogind and lightdm |
| 17:39.36 | dashie_ | I actually purged and reinstalled lightdm |
| 17:39.42 | dashie_ | along with the entire MATE desktop |
| 17:39.58 | dashie_ | to try to fix this |
| 17:41.04 | xinomilo | try n4dir suggestions |
| 17:42.15 | xinomilo | install a different WM/DE , check ~/.xsession-errors, auth/syslog/xorg logs.. |
| 17:42.31 | xinomilo | there should be a hint someplace |
| 17:43.02 | dashie_ | for some reason, the authentication "conversation" is failing |
| 17:43.44 | dashie_ | it seems like it's looking for systemd components |
| 17:44.12 | dashie_ | it also hasn't created /etc/securetty |
| 17:44.54 | fsmithred | libpam-elogind |
| 17:45.41 | dashie_ | gkr-pam says it can't find the daemon it wants |
| 17:47.53 | fsmithred | installing on hardware or is this a VM? |
| 17:48.20 | dashie_ | hardware |
| 17:49.22 | xinomilo | gkr-pam could be missing `libpam-gnome-keyring` |
| 17:49.27 | xinomilo | not sure |
| 17:50.26 | dashie_ | it's installed |
| 17:50.35 | dashie_ | wow |
| 17:50.41 | dashie_ | I've never seen anything fuck me over this hard |
| 17:51.28 | dashie_ | brb |
| 17:51.34 | dashie_ | I gotta help cook |
| 17:52.17 | n4dir | isn't there a contradiction between the last sentence and the one before that? ha ha . Sorry, i couldn't resist |
| 18:15.30 | dashie_ | oh so true, but I'm back now |
| 18:16.43 | dashie_ | has anyone come up with why this is happening? |
| 18:19.14 | dashie_ | that's not a good sign |
| 18:26.17 | djph | why what is happening? |
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| 18:27.55 | dashie__ | I apologize, fsmith, I don't know how to use irssi either |
| 18:27.57 | dashie__ | anyway |
| 18:28.03 | dashie__ | I do have libpam elogind |
| 18:28.16 | fsmithred | ok, anything in ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 18:28.42 | fsmithred | or /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 18:29.02 | fsmithred | look for lines starting with EE in the Xorg log |
| 18:29.04 | dashie__ | from xsession-erros I think |
| 18:29.35 | dashie__ | lightdm gkr-pam: unable to locate daemon control file |
| 18:29.38 | dashie__ | something like that |
| 18:30.23 | n4dir | there is a mouse for TTY. But before that is figured out the actual problem is probably solved |
| 18:31.51 | fsmithred | I can't find a package or file named gkr-pam |
| 18:32.40 | dashie__ | it's something lightdm is trying to do |
| 18:32.47 | dashie__ | apparently |
| 18:33.01 | fsmithred | you have this version of lightdm? 1.26.0-7+devuan1 |
| 18:33.09 | dashie__ | no errors in Xorg.0.log |
| 18:33.38 | dashie__ | yes, that version |
| 18:34.30 | fsmithred | dpkg -l | egrep "policykit|polkit|consolekit|elogind|libpam" > kits |
| 18:34.40 | fsmithred | nc termbin.com 9999 < kits |
| 18:34.45 | fsmithred | then give me the link |
| 18:35.55 | systemdlete | systemdlete |
| 18:36.04 | systemdlete | oops |
| 18:36.11 | systemdlete | was trying to search back... |
| 18:36.18 | systemdlete | is red-faced |
| 18:36.37 | dashie__ | I just did that in /root by accident, should I put it somewhere else/ |
| 18:36.48 | dashie__ | I can cd real quick, I just need to know |
| 18:36.48 | fsmithred | no, it doesn't matter |
| 18:36.52 | dashie__ | okay |
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| 18:38.40 | systemdlete | I've been able to implement cgroups for limiting ram usage. It does seem to be working. Just following up on this issue. Configuring cgroups is simple, but only after much searching for clues. |
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| 18:39.03 | dashie__ | I just quit and restarted irssi to get out of that |
| 18:39.11 | dashie__ | I wish I knew how to control this client |
| 18:39.26 | dashie__ | did you recieve the termbin, fsmith? |
| 18:39.33 | fsmithred | yes |
| 18:39.41 | systemdlete | So now I no longer have run-away firefox sessions eating up all my memory. Eventually, it does crash, just as predicted. But that is preferable over hanging the entire system and having to reboot, etc. |
| 18:39.42 | dashie__ | okay |
| 18:39.59 | fsmithred | that looks ok |
| 18:40.09 | dashie__ | damn |
| 18:40.27 | fsmithred | did you try a plain window manager? |
| 18:40.28 | systemdlete | I still can't wait for my new TV to arrive from Newegg. Wish I had ordered it from Walmart, they would have gotten it here much faster. But oh well. So I read books instead. Probably better anyway. |
| 18:40.42 | dashie__ | a plain window manager? |
| 18:40.47 | dashie__ | like what n4dir suggested? |
| 18:40.48 | fsmithred | install jwm then try 'startx /usr/bin/jwm' |
| 18:40.49 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 18:40.58 | fsmithred | I think that command is right |
| 18:41.33 | systemdlete | NEW TOPIC. Does anyone know of an add-on for firefox that creates a log of network traffic, noting the web pages and javascripts, ip addresses, etc? I know how to use the web developer tools, but that's not what I am looking for. |
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| 18:42.00 | systemdlete | I want to generate a log which I can run a script over later on to pull out various information. |
| 18:42.02 | fsmithred | not ff addon, but iptraf will do that |
| 18:42.13 | fsmithred | not sure about saving it to a log. I think it's possible. |
| 18:42.29 | systemdlete | fsmithred: THanks. Will it note which javascript the traffic originated from? |
| 18:42.36 | dashie__ | the only thing it loaded with is a taskbar at the bottom |
| 18:43.09 | fsmithred | no, just addresses |
| 18:43.20 | fsmithred | what? jwm? |
| 18:43.22 | dashie__ | yes |
| 18:43.27 | fsmithred | yeah, that is correct |
| 18:43.38 | fsmithred | there's a menu in there to start apps or open a terminal |
| 18:43.51 | fsmithred | oh |
| 18:43.59 | fsmithred | as user, in your home dir |
| 18:44.09 | fsmithred | mv .config config.old |
| 18:44.12 | fsmithred | log out log in |
| 18:44.38 | fsmithred | no |
| 18:44.47 | fsmithred | that's the same as making a new user, which you already did |
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| 18:45.58 | dashie__ | jwm outputted to Xorg.1.log, checking it out now |
| 18:47.00 | n4dir | didn't i warn you people 2021 will get bad. What lousy problems to start a new year. But i think we are close |
| 18:47.13 | dashie__ | everything is fine |
| 18:47.29 | dashie__ | that log looks pristine |
| 18:47.37 | fsmithred | maybe check the mate startup apps to see if things got turned off |
| 18:47.51 | fsmithred | assuming no mate packages are missing |
| 18:48.12 | dashie__ | I just startx'd AND MATE LOADED |
| 18:48.17 | dashie__ | it loaded my wallpaper, all my stuff |
| 18:48.22 | fsmithred | ??? |
| 18:48.51 | dashie__ | I used startx in VT5 and it loaded my wallpaper and files |
| 18:48.57 | dashie__ | I see all my emulators and everything |
| 18:49.06 | dashie__ | except for the network thing |
| 18:49.10 | dashie__ | in the top right taskbar |
| 18:49.14 | fsmithred | soyou should be able to log out and then get in through lightdm |
| 18:49.32 | fsmithred | oh, you probably didn't replace wicd |
| 18:49.45 | dashie__ | O |
| 18:49.48 | dashie__ | I'm on wired |
| 18:49.50 | dashie__ | do I need it? |
| 18:49.55 | fsmithred | make sure wicd is all gone and install |
| 18:49.57 | fsmithred | oh, maybe not |
| 18:50.08 | dashie__ | if it's just for wifi, I don't need it |
| 18:50.10 | dashie__ | eth0 |
| 18:50.14 | fsmithred | you probably need something in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:50.41 | dashie__ | it's loading power manager, pulseaudio, and the keyring |
| 18:51.03 | fsmithred | this is with lightdm now? |
| 18:51.10 | dashie__ | yes |
| 18:51.21 | fsmithred | sounds like it might be fixed |
| 18:51.26 | dashie__ | I mean |
| 18:51.30 | dashie__ | it's the display manager |
| 18:51.33 | dashie__ | the login screen |
| 18:51.36 | dashie__ | it won't let me log in there |
| 18:51.39 | fsmithred | oh |
| 18:51.41 | dashie__ | but it works in VT5? |
| 18:52.06 | fsmithred | same version of lightdm that I'm using in chimaera on my laptop |
| 18:52.08 | fsmithred | with xfce |
| 18:52.16 | fsmithred | which I upgraded from beowulf |
| 18:52.27 | dashie__ | it's definitely just the login screen |
| 18:53.22 | dashie__ | I don't understand at all |
| 18:54.16 | fsmithred | got a command prompt? |
| 18:54.24 | dashie__ | I can get terminal and root both |
| 18:54.29 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 18:54.31 | fsmithred | both |
| 18:54.49 | dashie__ | at your command, sir |
| 18:55.11 | fsmithred | cat /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/01_debian.conf |
| 18:55.20 | fsmithred | look at xserver-share |
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| 18:55.26 | fsmithred | is it true or false? |
| 18:56.02 | dashie__ | xserver-share is FALSE |
| 18:56.31 | fsmithred | ok, check /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to see that the same thing is commented or false |
| 18:57.45 | fsmithred | it'll be the second instance of xserver-share in lightdm.conf |
| 18:57.52 | dashie__ | okay, looking now |
| 18:57.53 | fsmithred | first one is just part of the instructions |
| 18:58.45 | dashie__ | it's true |
| 18:58.53 | dashie__ | it's commented out, though I think? |
| 18:59.02 | fsmithred | starts with # |
| 18:59.04 | dashie__ | yeah, it's #xserver-share = true |
| 18:59.15 | fsmithred | ok, try uncommenting that line |
| 18:59.19 | fsmithred | and restart lightdm |
| 18:59.23 | fsmithred | see if it fixes it |
| 18:59.32 | dashie__ | under seat*? |
| 18:59.33 | fsmithred | that's something that was changed in recent version |
| 19:00.00 | fsmithred | the one that has no space between the = and the words around it |
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| 19:00.49 | fsmithred | yeah, in the seat section |
| 19:00.53 | dashie__ | no, that didn't fix it |
| 19:01.16 | dashie__ | still getting failed session error on login screen |
| 19:01.33 | dashie__ | should I comment that back out/ |
| 19:02.03 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 19:03.17 | dashie__ | I find it weird that the login screen is what's causing so much pain |
| 19:04.20 | n4dir | i find it weird that people keep it installed :-) |
| 19:05.01 | fsmithred | well, without it you can't shutdown or reboot from the desktop unless you do some fiddling with it |
| 19:05.30 | n4dir | i think i can |
| 19:05.47 | n4dir | but usually i do it from the terminal. and usually i don't use xfce |
| 19:05.49 | dashie__ | you can fiddle with it? that's great |
| 19:05.58 | dashie__ | I'm dumb and can't do that |
| 19:06.30 | dashie__ | am I cool to use the x session in vt5 until we've found out why it won't me log in on vt7? |
| 19:06.33 | fsmithred | when I use a window manager, I usually configure sudo with no password for my user to shutdown and reboot |
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| 19:06.50 | fsmithred | you could try a different login manager |
| 19:06.58 | fsmithred | slim or lxdm |
| 19:07.12 | dashie__ | hm |
| 19:07.25 | fsmithred | but none is ok, too |
| 19:07.54 | dashie__ | I mean, it's just me on this computer, but I have two users for real use |
| 19:08.01 | dashie__ | mine, and a mangos user to run my wow server |
| 19:09.06 | fsmithred | as soon as I clear some hard drive space, I'll copy my beowulf mate VM and then upgrade it to chimaera |
| 19:09.20 | dashie__ | you may not get the same results as me |
| 19:09.26 | fsmithred | yeah, I know |
| 19:09.49 | dashie__ | though, it was mostly stock, I did have some python stuff for that game I mentioned |
| 19:09.55 | dashie__ | well, anyway |
| 19:10.07 | dashie__ | uhm, am I free to use the session in VT5 without worry? |
| 19:10.28 | dashie__ | or should I stop the login manager and use vt7? |
| 19:11.46 | fsmithred | I would stop the login manager and use vt1 because that's where I would be after booting up |
| 19:12.25 | dashie__ | I just wanna watch some youtube videos |
| 19:13.54 | dashie__ | I guess I'm cool to just use my desktop in vt5? |
| 19:14.03 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 19:14.07 | dashie__ | okay, thanks |
| 19:14.08 | fsmithred | doesn't have to be 5 |
| 19:14.21 | fsmithred | any one you choose |
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| 19:17.41 | DashiePie | oh sweet gui |
| 19:17.51 | DashiePie | I can finally eat and sleep soundly |
| 19:18.16 | DashiePie | thanks to all of you who've helped me get to this point |
| 19:18.30 | fsmithred | yw |
| 19:18.47 | DashiePie | <3 |
| 19:19.08 | n4dir | upgrade to unstable, then we can have fun tomorrow again :-) |
| 19:19.36 | n4dir | kidding aside: glad this is solved. congrats |
| 19:21.20 | xinomilo | sid/ceres is not what it used to be.. could just be called stable-proposed-backports :D |
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| 19:25.14 | brocashelm | yeah, sid is hardly living up to its name these days |
| 19:25.31 | brocashelm | may as well just call it arch linux with apt |
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| 20:11.18 | DashiePie | well |
| 20:11.24 | DashiePie | I can't play youtube videos |
| 20:13.13 | DashiePie | or webms |
| 20:13.55 | DashiePie | it just breaks the page and says "error 256" and suggests restarting my stuff |
| 20:14.26 | DashiePie | doesn't happen with just images |
| 20:15.08 | DashiePie | so much for usable :c |
| 20:15.29 | fsmithred | in the middle of upgrading here |
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| 20:23.13 | DashiePie | hm |
| 20:34.42 | fsmithred | rebooting |
| 20:34.53 | DashiePie | I think it has something to do with pepperflash now |
| 20:35.30 | fsmithred | OH! |
| 20:35.45 | fsmithred | sorry I could not reproduce your error |
| 20:35.59 | fsmithred | I just had one of the smoothest upgrades I've ever done |
| 20:36.28 | fsmithred | this was a recent netinstall with speech synth (it reads to me) |
| 20:36.44 | fsmithred | orca was not working in lightdm or mate |
| 20:36.51 | fsmithred | after the upgrade, it works |
| 20:37.16 | DashiePie | I'm a magnet for disaster |
| 20:37.21 | DashiePie | I'm that disaster kid meme |
| 20:37.45 | fsmithred | well, if we can figure out what breaks, we should keep you around for QC |
| 20:38.13 | fsmithred | I can't think of all the ways people can break stuff, so any help is appreciated. |
| 20:38.44 | fsmithred | to be fair, I've seen a number of upgrades and migrations go badly |
| 20:38.50 | DashiePie | ah shit, I just reinstalled pepperflash |
| 20:38.55 | DashiePie | it did nothing |
| 20:39.07 | fsmithred | well, are you sure it's the same version you had before? |
| 20:39.24 | fsmithred | flash died yesterday |
| 20:39.27 | fsmithred | give it up |
| 20:40.53 | DashiePie | really wish they hadn't killed it |
| 20:41.13 | DashiePie | it doesn't even have anything to do with pepperflash |
| 20:41.22 | DashiePie | how can I diagnose this? |
| 20:42.45 | DashiePie | how do I run chromium in terminal? |
| 20:43.05 | mason | DashiePie: Just type "chromium" |
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| 20:44.17 | brocashelm | i just use mpv/youtube-dl for youtube videos |
| 20:44.33 | DashiePie | https://pastebin.com/Rr8RrNDw |
| 20:51.11 | DashiePie | oh boy, today's just great |
| 20:51.20 | fsmithred | try this... |
| 20:51.38 | fsmithred | ln -s /var/lib/dbus/machine-id /etc/machine-id |
| 20:51.53 | fsmithred | then try starting chromium in terminal again |
| 20:51.56 | DashiePie | as root or myself? |
| 20:52.00 | fsmithred | root |
| 20:52.05 | fsmithred | user for chromium |
| 20:53.01 | DashiePie | 2 less warnings, another stack track |
| 20:53.03 | DashiePie | trace* |
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| 20:58.11 | DashiePie | I never should've upgraded |
| 21:07.51 | DashiePie | I found and tried glxinfo | egrep "(OpenGL vendor|OpenGL renderer|OpenGL version) |
| 21:07.55 | DashiePie | it sat there with a > |
| 21:08.12 | DashiePie | no words, just that > |
| 21:08.32 | DashiePie | I have the package installed that allows me to do that |
| 21:09.39 | debdog | try glxinfo | egrep "(OpenGL vendor|OpenGL renderer|OpenGL version)" |
| 21:09.39 | DashiePie | funnily enough, this command glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" |
| 21:09.42 | DashiePie | returns yes |
| 21:09.48 | debdog | missing " at the end |
| 21:10.14 | DashiePie | well, there it is |
| 21:10.18 | DashiePie | oh boy |
| 21:14.06 | DashiePie | could this have anything to do with the vulkan side of things? |
| 21:14.52 | DashiePie | I don't know |
| 21:14.54 | DashiePie | I have no idea |
| 21:19.14 | DashiePie | I have 32-bit libraries |
| 21:19.17 | DashiePie | anything with that? |
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| 21:29.05 | DashiePie | y'know what's funny? |
| 21:29.18 | DashiePie | it loaded an n64 rom just fine, no issues loading that at all in my emulator |
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| 21:31.35 | Guest9 | how do i abort refracta |
| 21:31.42 | DashiePie | oh, and if you want my Xorg.0.log... https://pastebin.com/49YZVg2v |
| 21:32.18 | Guest9 | alright uh |
| 21:32.24 | Guest9 | i just clicked the exit option |
| 21:32.32 | Guest9 | and it asked me for a password |
| 21:32.48 | Guest9 | when i input nothing the install xterm window closed |
| 21:32.58 | Guest9 | so hopefully i solved my issue |
| 21:34.25 | fsmithred | Guest9, where were you in the install? |
| 21:34.30 | Guest9 | partitioning |
| 21:34.37 | Guest9 | forgot to write down my device names |
| 21:34.40 | fsmithred | you should be fine |
| 21:34.47 | Guest9 | k |
| 21:34.49 | fsmithred | oh, cli installer? |
| 21:35.06 | Guest9 | i used gdisk i think |
| 21:35.12 | fsmithred | when it gets to rsync, it's harder to stop, because it's multi-threaded |
| 21:35.26 | Guest9 | Alright then, that's good |
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| 22:18.51 | DashiePie | also, web-based games aren't working |
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| 22:26.59 | fsmithred | DashiePie, https://games.slashdot.org/story/21/01/01/029259/its-game-over-for-farmville-as-flash-also-buys-the-farm |
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| 22:28.06 | DashiePie | >farmville |
| 22:28.12 | DashiePie | as if I'd be caught dead playing that |
| 22:28.21 | DashiePie | caught dead, alive, or otherwise |
| 22:28.27 | fsmithred | you mentioned flash earlier |
| 22:28.32 | fsmithred | and then online games |
| 22:28.47 | fsmithred | if any of your online games are flash, they might get shut down |
| 22:29.06 | Guest9 | they could also be js |
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| 22:29.22 | fsmithred | that is still very much alive |
| 22:29.37 | Guest9 | they could have an extension blocking it |
| 22:30.05 | Guest9 | idk much about the issue so i'm not sure |
| 22:30.31 | DashiePie | well, I'm definitely talking about games that don't need flash to run |
| 22:30.46 | DashiePie | so many good games, though, like Decision and Last Stand |
| 22:30.50 | DashiePie | gone |
| 22:31.25 | Guest9 | newgrounds made something for it i think |
| 22:31.32 | Guest9 | and some people have made flash emulators as well |
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| 22:31.52 | DashiePie | true, true |
| 22:33.12 | Guest9 | also some people like bennett foddy and the henry stickmin guy ported their games to other platforms(HTML5 and PC respectively) |
| 22:34.36 | DashiePie | they're good people |
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| 22:35.43 | Guest9 | what does the devuan keyring do? |
| 22:38.07 | fsmithred | authenticates packages that get installed |
| 22:38.11 | fsmithred | from the devuan repo |
| 22:38.14 | Guest9 | ah rihgt |
| 22:38.41 | Guest9 | That's why there was the allow unauthenticated thing in the debian migration thing |
| 22:40.11 | DashiePie | what version of dxvk should I install in wine 5.0? |
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| 23:17.22 | DashiePie | I reinstalled Chromium and it works now |
| 23:18.42 | fsmithred | whew |
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