| 00:01.37 | fsmithred | leafwiz, I've been using network-manager. I don't like it, but it seems to be working. I've also tried connman. Some people like that one. |
| 00:02.02 | fsmithred | both of those will work with vpn, which wicd does not. |
| 00:02.08 | leafwiz | So wicd is kinda the one we kinda want to use? |
| 00:02.10 | fsmithred | but I miss wicd |
| 00:02.20 | leafwiz | But it should be updated to p3_ |
| 00:02.22 | leafwiz | ? |
| 00:02.27 | leafwiz | aka python3 |
| 00:02.34 | fsmithred | it's the one we have been using |
| 00:02.39 | leafwiz | mm |
| 00:02.41 | fsmithred | some like n-m better |
| 00:03.08 | fsmithred | I'm using it because I figure it's the most likely one to replace wicd |
| 00:03.55 | leafwiz | Sure, if wicd was updated to python3 do you think people would like that better? |
| 00:04.14 | fsmithred | I think we'd probably stick to that as the default |
| 00:04.26 | fsmithred | got someone in mind to do the work? |
| 00:06.53 | leafwiz | maybe.. :) Well, I was just thinking about updating all of the env statements in it to point to python2. That would prob be a nice small fix |
| 00:07.28 | fsmithred | oh, that might work |
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| 00:08.15 | leafwiz | Do you know the source of the source-code devuan uses for its wicd install? |
| 00:09.21 | fsmithred | yeah, getting the link now |
| 00:09.39 | fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/devuan/wicd |
| 00:09.46 | fsmithred | hasn't been touched in a long time |
| 00:10.03 | fsmithred | newest is probably in the unstable branch |
| 00:10.23 | leafwiz | I see. |
| 00:11.20 | fsmithred | 1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan1.1 is the version in beowulf and ceres |
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| 00:12.42 | leafwiz | yeah, so its the unstable branch that is the , well, newest? |
| 00:16.05 | leafwiz | Ah.. I get it. It was the tag |
| 00:20.05 | leafwiz | Sure okay, so that is the newest version which I should clone if I wanted to update the code |
| 00:20.50 | leafwiz | I have been using Linux/bsd for a while, but i have never actually worked on other peoples code like this before :) |
| 00:21.18 | leafwiz | I'll have a further look tomorrow. |
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| 00:58.51 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 01:01.18 | rwp | I'll be sad if I have to leave wicd behind. I have been wanting to try out connman since I haven't ever tried it before. |
| 01:01.52 | Xenguy | Yeah that's disappointing news, I use wicd as my daily driver |
| 01:03.02 | golinux | Me too |
| 01:03.37 | golinux | Hope someone gets it working for devuan. |
| 01:05.20 | rwp | Since it is all python it would seem like that someone who was a python person could walk through it and convert it from 2 to 3 syntax relatively easily. |
| 01:05.50 | rwp | I am not a python person but I keep getting told by python people how good it is... |
| 01:06.32 | rwp | NetworkManager works acceptably well on personal laptops and things okay. Really not going to have a problem there. Since that is where it was designed to work. |
| 01:07.14 | rwp | But my experience with it on servers is that it is *terrible* for remote systems. Too often it has left things disconnected and won't automatically reconnect. |
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| 03:09.29 | systemdlete | I think the latest firefox has a bad leak in it. |
| 03:10.08 | systemdlete | I've been (trying to) watch Pluto TV and it eats up the memory in about a half hour or so. I've had to reboot the system about 3 times now. |
| 03:11.04 | tuxd3v | systemdlete, probably it uses /tmp to store the video, and it will grow with time.. |
| 03:14.27 | systemdlete | I call that leaking. Others may use other terms for it. |
| 03:14.40 | systemdlete | tuxd3v: I think you are probably correct. |
| 03:15.02 | systemdlete | But still, if it ends up eating all the memory, what is the difference what we call it? |
| 03:15.22 | tuxd3v | hehe you need to be monitoring the /tmp |
| 03:15.37 | tuxd3v | for example if you know that a episode consumes X memory |
| 03:15.41 | systemdlete | Either firefox is run amok, or pluto's code has run amok. Either way, I don't think I have much control over it. |
| 03:15.57 | systemdlete | (I'm actually measuring that very thing atm) |
| 03:16.18 | systemdlete | So, essentially, I have to babysit Pluto's poor coding... right. |
| 03:16.27 | tuxd3v | and you know the amount of ram you have in the computer, you need to restart the application so that he can cleanup the /tmp |
| 03:17.12 | tuxd3v | where do you got that application? |
| 03:17.54 | tuxd3v | you are watching directly from https://www.eu-landing.corp.pluto.tv/ ? |
| 03:18.21 | systemdlete | I'm half way through an episode of All in the Family, and it has already eaten close to a gig of memory. |
| 03:19.15 | tuxd3v | yeah specially 1080p it hits hard :( |
| 03:19.22 | systemdlete | My TV decided to go moving partial black screen on me after just 2 years. So I am watching on my desktop. |
| 03:19.34 | systemdlete | I've ordered a new TV, but it will be a few days... |
| 03:19.51 | tuxd3v | what is the app you are using? |
| 03:19.58 | systemdlete | firefox? |
| 03:20.14 | systemdlete | is there pluto app for linux? |
| 03:21.53 | systemdlete | I don't know which I love more, Pluto or Youtube. Neither one of them has nearly enough commercials. Neither one repeats the same ones nearly enough for MY liking. |
| 03:21.57 | tuxd3v | I believe not :(, at least not yet |
| 03:22.33 | tuxd3v | in the web version you need to create an account right? |
| 03:23.21 | onefang | I tend to watch youtube (which is rare to be honest) via my VPN to a country where the main language is one I don't understand. Makes the adverts fun. |
| 03:24.35 | onefang | Did leave me wondering why the Dutch are always trying to sell cars to children. |
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| 03:24.55 | onefang | stops being OT and wanders out for groceries. |
| 03:31.44 | systemdlete | hopes onefang FINDS groceries... |
| 03:32.10 | systemdlete | tuxd3v: I looked and noticed there were no temp files in /tmp opened by firefox |
| 03:32.25 | systemdlete | I even killed the tab running pluto.tv |
| 03:33.36 | numzob | ps -e something may still be running and holding that memory |
| 03:33.43 | systemdlete | firefox has barely released memory, even a couple minutes after killing that tab. |
| 03:33.45 | tuxd3v | systemdlete, it will probably get that ramspace somewere, a lot of applications use /tmp and store the video |
| 03:34.17 | systemdlete | I'm watching the process in ps output, measuring usage every 30 seconds. |
| 03:35.03 | systemdlete | I watched it run while my program was running. It continually ate memory, and even after I killed the tab running pluto, it still has not released all the memory it ate while pluto tab was open. |
| 03:35.28 | systemdlete | The other tabs are more or less quiescent. At very least, I did not open any of them. |
| 03:35.44 | tuxd3v | it could be a memory leak indeed |
| 03:35.52 | systemdlete | Look, it would not be the first time firefox got a leak... |
| 03:36.23 | systemdlete | And, depending on how pluto has "programmed" its javascript and such, who knows what impact that might have. |
| 03:37.13 | systemdlete | Pluto could well be using one of those javascript include files with all the fancy routines that make coding js easy. |
| 03:37.21 | systemdlete | And who knows what dwells within that... |
| 03:39.36 | systemdlete | Some months ago, I had run into this memory management issue (leak) with ff. At that time, someone suggested I try to use ulimit to force oomkill or the like. That did not seem to work though. |
| 03:40.28 | systemdlete | I'm guessing when one thread can not brk() any more, maybe it goes and grabs a new thread and continues eating memory there. But I'm not a threads programmer, so I really don't know. |
| 03:41.59 | systemdlete | I'd really rather have firefox itself govern memory limits (which should be configurable, of course) and have a tab crash than having to reboot the entire system after it has strangulated it. |
| 03:42.12 | systemdlete | s/after it/after ff/ |
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| 03:51.32 | tuxd3v | I just limit the amount of threads in preferences to 3 threads.. case closed :) |
| 04:11.37 | rwp | systemdlete, My Firefox hovers around 4 GB of memory in steady state. I don't think I have ever seen it as small as only 1 GB. |
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| 07:35.24 | Criggie | ~3.5 hours till the flash killswitch goes off. |
| 07:35.32 | Criggie | (for my timezone anyway) |
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| 07:48.47 | golinux | off topic (and does anyone really care?) |
| 07:56.37 | gnarface | Criggie: there's #devaun-offtopic now |
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| 08:28.20 | Criggie | gnarface: thank you. |
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| 11:57.14 | APic | Hi. I want to upgrade my Server-VM from ascii to beowulf. aptitude shows me this: https://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1326494 |
| 11:57.24 | APic | What can i do please? |
| 11:58.41 | APic | Current /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.list is https://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1326495 |
| 12:01.02 | APic | What is maybe important that Devuan ascii was preinstalled on my VM |
| 12:03.16 | fsmithred | APic, you're using a deprecated repository |
| 12:03.38 | fsmithred | change packages.devuan.org to deb.devuan.org or choose a specific mirror from the list |
| 12:04.24 | fsmithred | and you can comment out the deb-src lines if you're not downloading sources to rebuild packages |
| 12:05.21 | APic | I do download Sources from Time to Time |
| 12:05.28 | APic | Thanks for the quick Answer! |
| 12:05.46 | fsmithred | edit, update and try again |
| 12:06.05 | fsmithred | you shouold be getting libc6 2.28-10 |
| 12:10.39 | APic | (apt update && aptitude full-upgrade) | tee apt.log â still https://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1326498 |
| 12:13.26 | APic | Maybe i should finish the few upgradable Packages it shows me first. apt full-upgrade gives me no Error like aptitude full-upgrade: https://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1326499 |
| 12:14.28 | n4dir | using apt-get i usually first upgrade, then dist-upgrade |
| 12:15.05 | n4dir | no idea what the according switches for apt or aptitude are |
| 12:15.05 | APic | full-upgrade _is_ dist-upgrade nowadays i think |
| 12:15.33 | APic | Yup, dist-upgrade shows exactly the same Output as full-upgrade |
| 12:15.51 | n4dir | i think it is the difference between apt, aptitude and apt-get. I meant first upgrade. Did you do that? |
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| 12:16.07 | n4dir | though i don't think it should result in problems. |
| 12:17.25 | APic | lol |
| 12:17.33 | APic | I did it, and now it created this: |
| 12:17.36 | n4dir | also it is recommended to first upgrade the release one is coming from |
| 12:17.42 | APic | # Devuan repositories |
| 12:17.42 | APic | deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged unstable main |
| 12:17.42 | APic | deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/merged unstable main |
| 12:18.03 | APic | I think i want to change that back to beowulf again |
| 12:18.06 | APic | unstable is ceres, no? |
| 12:18.30 | n4dir | yes |
| 12:18.56 | n4dir | you sure want to upgrade leaving out one release in between (even if you would want to go all the way up to unstable) |
| 12:19.11 | n4dir | oh. you sure *don't want* |
| 12:19.19 | APic | Yes |
| 12:22.06 | APic | Nah, now it still shows the same broken fdisk-Deps |
| 12:22.28 | APic | Maybe i shall try another Mirror than deb.devuan.org |
| 12:23.36 | fsmithred | try installing libc6=2.28-10 |
| 12:24.06 | fsmithred | is libc6-dev installed? I had trouble with that on a couple upgrades |
| 12:25.44 | fsmithred | yes, sometimes you have to run the upgrade a few times to get everything |
| 12:26.16 | APic | # aptitude install libc6=2.28-10 |
| 12:26.16 | APic | Unable to find a version "2.28-10" for the package "libc6" |
| 12:26.16 | APic | Unable to apply some actions, aborting |
| 12:27.17 | fsmithred | maybe I need to update |
| 12:27.54 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.04 | fsmithred | apt policy libc6 |
| 12:28.24 | fsmithred | 2.28-10 500 |
| 12:28.24 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.48 | fsmithred | run 'apt update' |
| 12:28.52 | fsmithred | after changing sources |
| 12:28.58 | APic | libc6: |
| 12:28.58 | APic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.58 | APic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.58 | APic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.58 | APic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.00 | APic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.18 | fsmithred | yeah, that's the one you have installed. It's probably the ascii version. |
| 12:29.22 | APic | Yes |
| 12:29.46 | APic | Need to collect my Pizza now |
| 12:29.49 | APic | cul8r |
| 12:30.16 | n4dir | i would check anything in preferences or apt.conf in /etc/apt to be sure there is nothing standing in the way. The command "apt-get policy" should tell too, if i am correct |
| 12:30.48 | n4dir | sure would tell about pinning? i think |
| 12:32.43 | n4dir | as not sure what "apt-cache policy" tells me (not apt-get, sorry), i have to check the according files and folders manually anway. |
| 12:32.54 | fsmithred | looks like he's running without dbus. That might cause trouble, too. But I'd expect it would say more about that. |
| 12:33.20 | fsmithred | you can just do 'apt policy' now |
| 12:33.27 | n4dir | i don't apt |
| 12:33.30 | fsmithred | lol |
| 12:33.45 | fsmithred | apt search gives sucky output |
| 12:33.58 | n4dir | i saw a nice output, but it is more easy for me to stick to muscle memory. And in general i see no advantage in apt (yet) |
| 12:34.03 | fsmithred | apt show and apt policy look the same as the other commands |
| 12:34.19 | fsmithred | less to type |
| 12:34.44 | n4dir | Well. Compared to what i typed only in this little chat, i can live with it. |
| 12:34.58 | n4dir | i'd say if you don't like typing, use a different OS |
| 12:35.13 | n4dir | or get used to command expansion/completion |
| 12:35.40 | n4dir | but to each his own, sure |
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| 12:39.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | happy new year! |
| 12:40.34 | n4dir | sounds like neither US, nor south America, nor Europe :-) But happy new year |
| 12:43.09 | fsmithred | I think he's near you. |
| 12:43.32 | fsmithred | happy new year (early) DocScrutinizer05 |
| 12:43.58 | n4dir | 2 PM, some european regions might be 3 PM. Some 1. weird stuff, time |
| 12:44.26 | n4dir | US is 6 or 7 AM, i assume |
| 12:44.42 | fsmithred | yeah, a little before 8am now |
| 12:52.37 | onefang | It'll be my turn to "happy new year" everyone in a bit over an hour. |
| 12:54.20 | fsmithred | yeah, I think Doc has his AM and PM confused |
| 12:54.27 | fsmithred | or he's in Japan today |
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| 13:00.41 | APic | Re |
| 13:00.46 | APic | # apt-cache policy |
| 13:00.46 | APic | Package files: |
| 13:00.46 | APic | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.46 | APic | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.46 | APic | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.49 | APic | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.51 | APic | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.54 | APic | Pinned packages: |
| 13:01.12 | APic | Ok, sorry, will use a Pastebin in Future again |
| 13:01.25 | fsmithred | did you run apt update after editing sources.list? |
| 13:01.40 | fsmithred | you should be able to see the newer libc6 |
| 13:03.13 | APic | Yes, i did. But now i changed it to http://sledjhamr.org/devuan/merged and now it shows: 573 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. |
| 13:03.25 | APic | So deb.devuan.org/devuan seems b0rk? |
| 13:03.45 | fsmithred | whatever mirror you're hitting with deb.devuan.org may be down |
| 13:03.48 | APic | apt full-upgrade seems to work fine now: 573 upgraded, 155 newly installed, 6 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:03.52 | fsmithred | cool |
| 13:03.55 | APic | ⺠|
| 13:03.58 | APic | Thanks to You all |
| 13:04.01 | fsmithred | yw |
| 13:04.11 | n4dir | slow hand clapping from here. As in: respect |
| 13:08.36 | fsmithred | here is the mirror checker: https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html |
| 13:09.25 | fsmithred | and here is the mirror list, in case you want to pick one close to you: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt |
| 13:09.27 | APic | ic |
| 13:09.32 | APic | Thanks |
| 13:09.37 | fsmithred | yw |
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| 13:27.24 | onefang | Take note of the "EXPERIMENTAL CODE - double check all results you see here, and read the logs if it's important." warning at the top of https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html, there's a few bugs in it I need to fix. It's mostly accurate though. |
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| 14:02.18 | onefang | Hippy GNU Year! |
| 14:02.39 | danyspin97 | can I report a bug regarding chimaere here or should I use #devuan-dev? |
| 14:02.45 | danyspin97 | onefang: happy GNU Year :) |
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| 14:18.56 | fsmithred | danyspin97, you can start here |
| 14:19.13 | danyspin97 | fsmithred: I see, thanks! |
| 14:20.09 | fsmithred | don't paste a bunch of lines here |
| 14:20.35 | danyspin97 | while building a chimaera version, we encountered a problem with btrfs. Some package that depends on btrfs-tools hasn't been updated |
| 14:21.15 | danyspin97 | because btrfs-tools was a virtual provided by btrfs-progs in beowulf |
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| 14:21.37 | fsmithred | yeah, -tools doesn't exist |
| 14:22.05 | fsmithred | what package wants btrfs-tools? |
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| 14:24.13 | danyspin97 | one of the following https://pastebin.com/HwshdKV9 |
| 14:24.19 | danyspin97 | though I don't know which one for sure |
| 14:24.25 | danyspin97 | Has this been already reported? |
| 14:24.25 | fsmithred | ok, I'll look |
| 14:24.30 | danyspin97 | thank you |
| 14:24.59 | danyspin97 | this error has been generated by a CI, so I don't have shell access |
| 14:25.43 | fsmithred | np |
| 14:26.05 | fsmithred | once I remember how to get one package on a line, I'll figure out which one needs btrfs-tools |
| 14:26.26 | danyspin97 | you need to split them in bash? |
| 14:26.32 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 14:27.02 | danyspin97 | for word in "pkg1 pkg2" |
| 14:27.49 | fsmithred | I'll try that |
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| 14:30.19 | fsmithred | ok, nothing in that list depends on any package that has btrfs in the name |
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| 14:32.17 | fsmithred | danyspin97, was this live-sdk-beowulf #1 build? Or do you have a link so I can look at the console output? |
| 14:32.36 | danyspin97 | fsmithred: yup, live-sdk-beowulf |
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| 15:52.31 | Guest32 | Hi All, sorry if this has been noted already but I've just tried to access `https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt` and got a cert expiry error. |
| 15:52.50 | Guest32 | Looks like the Let's Encrypt cert expired a couple of days ago. |
| 15:53.45 | Guest32 | Only realised because I've (finally) got around to upgrading from Ascii to Beowulf and thought that I ought to read the release notes... ;-) |
| 16:01.55 | fsmithred | thanks, I passed the word along |
| 16:01.56 | Guest32 | After a painful 2020, I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has worked on Devuan in any way, and to wish you all a much better 2021! |
| 16:02.08 | Guest32 | Thanks fsmithred! |
| 16:02.10 | fsmithred | :) |
| 16:02.27 | fsmithred | I think everyone is looking forward to the new year |
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| 16:05.12 | n4dir | if 10% of the news is right, than you sure don't hope for 2021. |
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| 16:25.24 | nemo | fsmithred: guess a cron job is having trouble, normally that sort of thing doesn't happen |
| 16:25.46 | nemo | I do appreciate LE emailing me. avoided that situation on my teensy domain just last month |
| 16:29.23 | APic | Happy YOLD 3187 to all of You ⺠|
| 16:47.26 | systemdlete | rwp, tuxd3v: My memory snooping script shows that firefox grew in memory usage overnight -- as I slept -- so there is definitely something going on here. I will look into limiting the number of threads and memory, thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 17:09.58 | nemo | systemdlete: yeah, my SO had that issue when tabs were open on facebook or gmail |
| 17:10.06 | nemo | systemdlete: something in the JS leaking memory |
| 17:10.22 | nemo | systemdlete: about:memory for more info there, about:performance for a bit higher level... |
| 17:11.01 | nemo | can also be due to addons. adblock with huge blocklists plus a dynamic site seems problematic. |
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| 17:15.03 | DashiePie | I was planning on upgrading to Chimaera today, and then I saw that Guest32 brought up that error, and wondered if that would affect my upgrade |
| 17:17.12 | nemo | DashiePie: certificate is updated now |
| 17:17.19 | nemo | 2021-03-31 expiration |
| 17:17.30 | DashiePie | welp, that solves that, I guess |
| 17:17.52 | nemo | plus that wasn't the update server anyway |
| 17:21.16 | DashiePie | about the only thing I could tell you is that error codes are easy to google |
| 17:21.43 | DashiePie | that's the extent of my knowledge on stuff like that |
| 17:23.22 | gnarface | you really should read that file then |
| 17:23.45 | DashiePie | the release notes? |
| 17:24.00 | gnarface | yes |
| 17:25.09 | nemo | gnarface: hm. he's already on beowulf though, there's no chimaera release notes yet, are there? |
| 17:25.22 | DashiePie | how would the Beowulf release notes help my knowledge of server backends or my upgrade to Chimaera? |
| 17:25.36 | DashiePie | also, what nemo said |
| 17:25.58 | DashiePie | I'm already on Beowulf, cause that was the latest release when I installed it like, last month |
| 17:27.54 | nemo | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf might possibly be helpful mapped to chimaera, even though a few of the steps are obviously not necessary. |
| 17:28.13 | nemo | (the jessie/ascii specific stuff) |
| 17:29.11 | nemo | " |
| 17:29.12 | nemo | This site is free of cookies and javascript" ⥠|
| 17:33.41 | gnarface | oh, i just misread as him upgrading to Beowulf |
| 17:36.32 | DashiePie | Guest was the one who did that, not me :P |
| 17:39.55 | gnarface | yea i just got the relevance transposed because i wasn't paying close enough attention |
| 17:40.13 | gnarface | i'm not sure that there's not already chimera release notes though |
| 17:40.51 | fsmithred | no chimaera release notes yet |
| 17:44.13 | nemo | fsmithred: so... chimaera will be released at same time as next debian stable? 'cause I was poking around and seems that is due out in 1 year? |
| 17:44.27 | nemo | fsmithred: or will it be an incremental update to current stable? |
| 17:44.29 | fsmithred | lol |
| 17:44.31 | nemo | not sure how these things work |
| 17:44.39 | fsmithred | when have we ever been in sync with debian releases? |
| 17:44.56 | fsmithred | if we get it out less than a year after debian, we'll be doing better than before |
| 17:45.14 | fsmithred | and actually there's a good chance of that because a lot of forked packages have already been forked |
| 17:45.14 | nemo | fsmithred: ok. so... I guess I worded that badly |
| 17:45.33 | nemo | fsmithred: "the absolute earliest chimaera could be stabilised is after next debian stable in at least a year?" |
| 17:46.21 | fsmithred | yeah, I supposed it's possible we could release after final freeze and before debian release, and I keep hoping for that, but I doubt it will happen. |
| 17:47.00 | n4dir | i don't even know when the next debian might happen. Next year? |
| 17:47.33 | nemo | I thought their wiki said 2021-12 |
| 17:47.39 | fsmithred | final freeze will be some time after March |
| 17:47.41 | nemo | oh |
| 17:47.49 | n4dir | ah. well. good enouogh |
| 17:47.52 | nemo | oh.. just freeze |
| 17:47.55 | fsmithred | beginning freeze might be in a couple weeks |
| 17:48.07 | nemo | damn... we need to get another release out. *sigh* |
| 17:48.11 | nemo | if only we weren't so laaaazy |
| 17:48.28 | fsmithred | we need to get beowulf point-release out |
| 17:48.47 | nemo | the backport system is a nice idea, but it does so suck for unimportant software like games where users still expect to have the latest hotness and have no idea how to do a backport install |
| 17:49.21 | n4dir | something like a dual boot? |
| 17:49.26 | nemo | wish there was another overlay like stable-noncritical-fun |
| 17:49.47 | n4dir | There is that old list of Markus or Michal or such Kraft (or such), when you want and when you don't want debian |
| 17:50.08 | nemo | every time we do a release where we miss the debian release we end up spending the next year or two supporting debian/ubuntu/mint users |
| 17:50.29 | nemo | I guess if we can get it in before final freeze our odds are good |
| 17:51.55 | fsmithred | DashiePie, you might want to look at this post. I made notes of my upgrade to chimaera back in july. Don't follow these instruction exactly because you'll probably run into different stuff. https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=26252#p26252 |
| 17:55.46 | bmelo | will devuan really switch to openrc in next release? |
| 17:57.01 | fsmithred | bmelo, who told you that? It's not true. |
| 17:57.18 | fsmithred | the default is sysvinit and there are no plans to change that (yet) |
| 17:57.34 | fsmithred | the installer gives you a choice of sysvinit, openrc or runit |
| 18:00.42 | DashiePie | if there's no security or updates, then does that mean the single line does all of that? |
| 18:01.08 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 18:01.23 | DashiePie | ah, okay |
| 18:01.30 | fsmithred | if you want fixes faster, add a line for ceres but also pin it to a lower priority |
| 18:01.46 | fsmithred | then you can selectively install stuff before it moves down into chimaera |
| 18:02.10 | fsmithred | if you're motivated to pay attention to which packages are at what stage |
| 18:02.42 | DashiePie | I think what I need from Chimaera is just some updates so amdgpu stops crashing... if the problem is with amdgpu, and not my actual gpu |
| 18:02.54 | fsmithred | oh |
| 18:03.18 | fsmithred | first thing to try would probably be newer kernel from beowulf-backports |
| 18:03.44 | fsmithred | and firmware-amd-graphics from the same |
| 18:10.13 | gnarface | and maybe mesa too if it's in there |
| 18:11.00 | nemo | DashiePie: yeah, the random crashing is worrying for sure... hope you're not getting overheating or bad vram |
| 18:11.43 | nemo | DashiePie: but... I had a ton of probs w/ amd gpu on beowulf that went away in chimaera - mostly due to being able to ditch that stupid "pro" thing I was force-fitting into debian ⺠|
| 18:11.43 | DashiePie | I hope so too, I want to play a bit of WoW again (1.12, compiled my own cmangos) |
| 18:11.50 | nemo | but also 'cause their stupid "pro" thing was just buggy |
| 18:12.02 | nemo | sent them a bunch of stack traces from games |
| 18:12.44 | nemo | I think I'll only ever try that again if I wanna try OpenCL, and I certainly don't have time for that right now |
| 18:13.04 | nemo | s/debian/devuan/ |
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| 18:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | >><fsmithred> I think he's near you.<< isn't the location of destination more relevant than that of source? I wish "happy b-day" when YOU have, not when I ;-D |
| 18:48.20 | fsmithred | so you were speaking to the new zealanders? |
| 18:48.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | to those, and "on pull when due" for everybody else |
| 18:52.19 | n4dir | git pull? or is there a cron job? |
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| 19:38.54 | systemdlete | tried ulimit with memory set to 100 (which is k, per man page), then launched firefox, but ff grabs memory as usual, or at least I did not notice any constraint. The memory for just one thread was well over 500k |
| 19:39.13 | systemdlete | is ulimit broken in recent linux kernels? Or am I doing something wrong. |
| 19:39.26 | systemdlete | (and, yes, I started ff from the SAME shell as ulimit) |
| 19:40.31 | systemdlete | So I went and tried cgroups. But that opens an entirely new can of worms. I had to install several packages for cgroups, then rebooted. |
| 19:40.59 | systemdlete | so now the cgmanager is running, but if I try to create a cgroup, I am told that cgroups is not mounted. And on and on... |
| 19:41.04 | nemo | systemdlete: I've successfully set ulimits for firefox, but it tends to crash things |
| 19:41.19 | systemdlete | I'm ok with ff crashing. |
| 19:41.22 | nemo | systemdlete: don't forget that the tabs are run in separate processes |
| 19:41.27 | nemo | by default anyway |
| 19:41.33 | nemo | no idea if that option can be disabled anymore |
| 19:41.34 | systemdlete | I know. |
| 19:42.01 | systemdlete | It doesn't matter for me. As long as each tab is limited, I'd be OK. |
| 19:42.43 | systemdlete | Does devuan have a sort of "default" cgmanager/cgroup configuration? There is no /etc/cgmanager.conf or anything like that. |
| 19:43.14 | systemdlete | And the instructions for cgroups seems to be written in Redhatese, not linuxese. |
| 19:43.26 | systemdlete | (not too surprisingly I think) |
| 19:44.26 | systemdlete | nemo: You say you've gotten ulimit to work? Or was that ulimits? |
| 19:45.00 | systemdlete | I was using ulimit in bash. I can try ulimits; maybe bash's ulimit is buggy, idk. |
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| 19:47.35 | nemo | systemdlete: a few years ago. haven't had issues with firefox memory usage since (probably due to umatrix/noscript, but also maybe due to not using social media and gmail's crappy new interface) |
| 19:47.47 | nemo | systemdlete: have you tried in a clean profile without addons? |
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| 19:48.07 | nemo | systemdlete: at the time I think I just set ulimits on any processes that matched firefox or content process names, and it just worked |
| 19:48.10 | nemo | apart from crashing |
| 19:48.30 | nemo | at the time it was necessary 'cause firefox grew to like 100% of system memory, so I restricted it to a few gigabytes. |
| 19:48.36 | nemo | prefer crashing before locking up desktop |
| 19:48.55 | nemo | I don't know of any way firefox could possibly dodge a system ulimit... |
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| 19:49.04 | nemo | so long as you keep doing it to new content processes that are spawned |
| 19:49.15 | nemo | but debugging it might be worthwhile |
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| 19:49.23 | nemo | I'm a fan of about:memory |
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| 19:49.44 | nemo | was added as part of the memshrink project long ago |
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| 23:37.08 | Guest3 | i'm going to switch from debian buster to devuan, why am i not changing the deb-src links and commenting them out? |
| 23:38.13 | fsmithred | you want us to tell you why you are or are not doing something? |
| 23:38.46 | Guest3 | is there something wrong with that? |
| 23:38.59 | Guest3 | i trust the devuan project i'm just curious |
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| 23:39.59 | fsmithred | you can comment out or change the deb-src lines |
| 23:40.07 | fsmithred | they won't be used during the migration |
| 23:40.34 | fsmithred | they only get used if you want to download debian/devuan source packages to compile your own |
| 23:41.03 | fsmithred | you're following the migration guide here? https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf |
| 23:41.26 | Guest3 | yes |
| 23:42.27 | fsmithred | good |
| 23:47.00 | Guest3 | ah goddammit |
| 23:47.06 | Guest3 | i wanted to try manual wifi config |
| 23:47.14 | Guest3 | i guess i'll just install wicd as per the guide |
| 23:47.41 | Guest3 | it's going well so far though |
| 23:50.16 | Guest3 | got an error: GDbus.Error: org.freedesktop.systemd1.NoSuchUnit: Unit packagekit.service not found. |
| 23:50.21 | Guest3 | this isn't a big deal right? |
| 23:55.36 | Guest3 | it happened after doing apt-get upgrade |