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| 03:16.47 | mh4debuan | Hello! Merry Christmas |
| 03:17.01 | mh4debuan | What do you think I should do if my VPN can not connect? |
| 03:17.15 | mh4debuan | I used apt-get to install the .deb to make sure of dependencies |
| 03:17.31 | mh4debuan | Is there some type of TAP adapter I need? Something Non-Free? |
| 03:17.46 | mh4debuan | user@host:~/Downloads$ sudo surfshark-vpn attack |
| 03:17.46 | mh4debuan | Enter a number to select the VPN connection type. For default UDP, press ENTER |
| 03:17.46 | mh4debuan | 0 TCP |
| 03:17.46 | mh4debuan | 1 UDP |
| 03:17.46 | mh4debuan | 1 selected |
| 03:17.47 | mh4debuan | Checking for connection status... |
| 03:17.48 | mh4debuan | Was unable to connect to VPN server. Please try another server. |
| 03:23.55 | rwp | Hello mh4debuan. Welcome to the channel. Just another user here. |
| 03:24.14 | rwp | What exactly did you install? There must be a hundred different VPN choices. |
| 03:24.21 | rwp | Plus another few thousand possible VPN configurations. |
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| 03:32.34 | mh4debuan | I installed SurfShark VPN client DEB surfshark-release_1.0.0-1.1_amd64.deb |
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| 03:37.48 | gnarface | mh4debuan: there could be a missing tun or tap driver in theory, though last i checked it should be already enabled in the stock kernel. you might have to load it manually though if the vpn software sucks. i notice that one isn't in the repos, so all bets are off, really. |
| 03:39.45 | gnarface | there are a number of VPN solutions already known to work, but at this point we don't even have any particular reason to believe the problem is not at the remote server end (most the time "unable to connect to server" means the problem is at the server) |
| 03:40.53 | gnarface | mh4debuan: i mean, i assume the network is working because you're here talking to me, but that's not necessarily a forgone conclusion either. is it the same machine you're here on IRC with, or is it a separate one? the network connection without the VPN has been verified to work, right? you can ping the server? |
| 03:42.11 | gnarface | you could try to just "modprobe tap" and try again but you might first want to consult the vpn logs and double check the host configuration |
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| 03:45.47 | gnarface | mh4debuan: and i suppose it's worth checking... you're using the stock kernel, too, right? and that build of surfshark VPN is for debian buster, and you're using devuan beowulf? note that debian stretch actually corresponds to the older devuan ascii. |
| 04:02.11 | mh4debuan | I'm contacting their support, usually I just try the OpenVPN client first |
| 04:02.40 | mh4debuan | Theyre telling me to disable IPv6 |
| 04:07.16 | gnarface | mh4debuan: seems worth a try unless you need ipv6 |
| 04:07.57 | gnarface | mh4debuan: i like openvpn too. linus wants everyone to use wireguard now, and it's supposed to be easier to set up, but it's also new and i can't vouch for it personally |
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| 04:25.35 | mh4debuan | Got SurfShark VPN working, it was on their server side, I had to disable IPv6 and point my DNS to their name servers which is fine with me |
| 04:32.32 | rwp | Yay! :-) |
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| 04:50.12 | mh4debuan | TY! |
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| 13:42.23 | tomtastic | If I want to install something from Debian experimental repo, is that as easy as just adding the debian repo to apt and pinning it at some low value ? |
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| 13:57.30 | fsmithred | tomtastic, I think that will work. We don't merge experimental, so you can't just change the /devuan to /merged. Just be careful about what you pull from debian. |
| 13:58.04 | tomtastic | I'm just curious about the ZFS2.0 bits |
| 13:58.36 | tomtastic | I can probably wait until they hit unstable |
| 13:58.39 | fsmithred | I don't know about that. The local zfs expert is mason. |
| 13:58.58 | tomtastic | Thanks fsmithred |
| 13:59.52 | fsmithred | search for zfs on the forum and you'll find a couple of howtos |
| 14:00.21 | tomtastic | Already been using zfs-root on devuan for ?a few years? now |
| 14:00.57 | tomtastic | Just hankering for the ZSTD compression in 2.0 |
| 14:01.01 | fsmithred | ok, then when you're done you can write an updated howto. :P |
| 14:02.24 | tomtastic | Devuan should schedule a hackathon for 2021. documentation can be a nice task for non-developer folk to contribute with. |
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| 14:02.49 | tomtastic | </random thought> |
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| 14:05.32 | fsmithred | new wiki is still gestating |
| 14:06.28 | tomtastic | there's a wiki ?! |
| 14:06.48 | tomtastic | loves a good wiki |
| 14:06.49 | fsmithred | not yet |
| 14:07.21 | fsmithred | well, there's an old one that's pretty much been abandoned |
| 14:08.20 | fsmithred | at some point, there will be a wiki and there will be a need for content. Some can be moved/rewritten from forum and mailing list posts. |
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| 15:24.33 | n4dir_ | sorry, unplugged the power cable. lol |
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| 16:06.40 | user282069 | where did my on board sound go? http://ix.io/2K0U |
| 16:06.54 | user282069 | lol; thank you for any thoughts or help ye :] |
| 16:08.02 | user282069 | thinks more debug info required |
| 16:08.04 | user282069 | hrmmm |
| 16:09.20 | n4dir_ | usually the first thing to look at is the mixer. Using alsa or pulse? |
| 16:10.20 | user282069 | ty n4dir yes using alsa |
| 16:10.50 | n4dir | and alsamixer doesn't show anything muted, as in MM at the bottom? Yes, sorry for asking the obvious |
| 16:12.03 | user282069 | is always good to ask :] nothing muted. the mixer options i would expect to see are absent |
| 16:12.50 | n4dir | I think on some machines i see no mixer options, when i select the soundcard with F6, i get to see them. |
| 16:12.57 | n4dir | odd, but worth a try |
| 16:13.19 | n4dir | user282069: don't get me wrong, i am anything but good with sound-problems. |
| 16:13.34 | user282069 | all help appreciated :] thank you again |
| 16:13.40 | n4dir | there is #lau linux audio users and #opensourcmusicians. Try those too. |
| 16:13.55 | n4dir | minus the typo in opensourcemusicians :-) |
| 16:13.59 | user282069 | ok that's great |
| 16:14.20 | n4dir | you have to wait there, in general, now Xmas in our way, but they sure know what they talk about |
| 16:15.38 | user282069 | yes thank you. to say my problem again: there should be another card in addition to the HDMI and Loopbacks |
| 16:15.45 | user282069 | namely the onboard card |
| 16:15.53 | fsmithred | card 0? |
| 16:15.58 | user282069 | which in the mixer is now a useless PCH thing |
| 16:16.11 | n4dir | thanks god i can hand that problem to fsmithred . am out now |
| 16:16.15 | user282069 | yes perhaps fsmithred; thank you |
| 16:16.21 | n4dir | good luck though |
| 16:16.22 | fsmithred | lol, I won't do any better with it |
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| 16:16.46 | fsmithred | if you go into an audio app, can you select the right card? |
| 16:16.51 | user282069 | no |
| 16:18.00 | n4dir | here is a script i downloaded from ardour, it is originally from jack (audio server). Might help others to identify the problem. I can't make no sense of it: http://paste.debian.net/1178516/ |
| 16:18.04 | fsmithred | if it's very new hardware, it might need a newer kernel |
| 16:18.27 | user282069 | yes thank you for the idea again fsmithred ; i think the board is 6 years old or so |
| 16:18.32 | n4dir | still a script from someone, me, from the internet. Not always a good idea |
| 16:18.33 | user282069 | and for the link |
| 16:20.02 | user282069 | is a nice lookin piece of script |
| 16:20.45 | n4dir | yeah, i think it is pretty good. But i am shy pointing to scripts from "someone". ardour is a reliable source, i asssume. |
| 16:21.18 | fsmithred | I looked at that script quickly and then ran it as user. Pretty sure it's safe. |
| 16:21.43 | fsmithred | wait... |
| 16:21.54 | user282069 | also judges it fine :D |
| 16:21.54 | fsmithred | black SUV just pulled up in front of the house |
| 16:22.02 | fsmithred | j/k |
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| 16:24.14 | n4dir | j/k ? |
| 16:24.20 | fsmithred | just kidding |
| 16:24.25 | n4dir | ah. just .. you said it |
| 16:24.41 | user282069 | ye is nice to simplify digging into the alsa hierarchy with :] nothing relevant here today though |
| 16:24.43 | n4dir | I am prepared. Some clothes and a bit of food. :-) |
| 16:25.36 | fsmithred | maybe run '/etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart' |
| 16:25.39 | user282069 | there is a card0;; although not in aplay -l;;; and not anything that actually works. hrm. |
| 16:25.51 | user282069 | yes have tried |
| 16:25.54 | fsmithred | it should show up in 'aplay -l' |
| 16:26.06 | fsmithred | the right kernel module is loaded |
| 16:26.10 | fsmithred | it shows up on lspci |
| 16:26.21 | user282069 | thats rind the snd_hda_intel |
| 16:26.37 | user282069 | right* |
| 16:27.25 | fsmithred | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 16:27.44 | fsmithred | should show all the cards |
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| 16:29.32 | fsmithred | is jack running? |
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| 16:30.23 | user282069 | no only alsa; thank you for these useful prompts and questions |
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| 16:30.57 | user282069 | cat /proc/asound/cards gives 4;; the first being a PCH |
| 16:31.04 | fsmithred | when did it last work? |
| 16:31.07 | user282069 | last night |
| 16:31.24 | fsmithred | 0 [PCH... ? |
| 16:31.29 | user282069 | ye |
| 16:31.45 | fsmithred | that's what I've got. |
| 16:32.14 | fsmithred | what changed between last night and today? Update or install anything? |
| 16:33.03 | user282069 | ye found it broken; started trying whatever restarts and config stuff i could; then updates |
| 16:33.37 | user282069 | realtek |
| 16:41.23 | user282069 | alsautils; mixer; asoundrc stuff; even slim and finally my pride and uptime :\ |
| 16:42.01 | user282069 | the 'cannot be a solution' solution of shutdown -r0 |
| 16:42.09 | user282069 | ugh... |
| 16:42.19 | fsmithred | you haven't tried a reboot yet? |
| 16:42.22 | user282069 | i have |
| 16:48.55 | fsmithred | I don't know what else to try. |
| 16:49.12 | fsmithred | I'll be in the kitchen. Back in a bit. |
| 16:49.13 | user282069 | thank you again for your mind fsmithred :] no worries |
| 16:53.55 | n4dir | user282069: just a sledgehammer, did you try as root or as a different test user? |
| 16:54.52 | n4dir | not saying it makes sense, but not bad to have that out of the way |
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| 17:03.21 | I_am_nobody777 | Hi Everyone , |
| 17:03.21 | user282069 | ty again ;; tried whatever with root and it appears the same |
| 17:03.55 | user282069 | i did need root to /etc/init.d/alsautils restart |
| 17:04.50 | user282069 | maybe i move this asound.state file; which i read can persist in unwanted ways |
| 17:09.14 | I_am_nobody777 | I have installed devuan in btrfs (in a subvolume) which is inside a LUKS2 encrypted partition . Everything works fine except closing the opened LUKS partition during poweroff or reboot . |
| 17:12.21 | user282069 | how does closing the partition not work I_am_nobody777 ? does it make you wait some seconds ? |
| 17:13.27 | user282069 | also i noticed some debug info flash by while booting;; where is this in /var/log again?? hm |
| 17:15.09 | user282069 | ye maybe syslog or dmesg or boot |
| 17:16.11 | I_am_nobody777 | user282069: yes , it prints " stoping remaining crypto disks <device mapper name >(busy) ....... failed " next proceeds to "stopping early crypto disk < same device mapper name> (busy) failed and then shuts down . |
| 17:18.52 | I_am_nobody777 | So possibly, the btrfs subvolume is not unmounted before the attempt to close the LUKS partition . |
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| 17:40.11 | fsmithred | I_am_nobody777, install cryptsetup-modified-functions to eliminate the shutdown delay |
| 17:40.42 | fsmithred | deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan beowulf-proposed-updates main |
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| 17:40.55 | fsmithred | note that it's /devuan and not /merged |
| 17:42.22 | I_am_nobody777 | Got it , Thanks fsmithred . Will report back. |
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| 17:55.54 | I_am_nobody777 | fsmithred: Also in btrfs, when using compress=zstd , it defaults to compression level 0 . I've created the btrfs filesystem with void and the default compression level for zstd is 3 for the latest btrfs and kernel . so , in devuan , does compress-force=zstd:3 works on the stable btrfs and kernel versions or should I use backport or experimental repo version of them ? . |
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| 17:56.36 | fsmithred | I have no idea. It does whatever it does in debian, because we don't fork any btrfs packages. |
| 17:58.31 | fsmithred | there is btrfs-progs in beowulf-backports 5.9-1~bpo10+1 |
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| 18:12.07 | I_am_nobody777 | fsmithred: The modified crypsetup function worked perfectly (Lovely , to see all the green ok ). Thanks . |
| 18:12.20 | fsmithred | yw |
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| 18:18.09 | I_am_nobody777 | fsmithred: I will check if the stable btrfs and kernel version supports the zstd with specified compression level by mounting with compress-force=zstd:3 . But , I remember reading that , only Kernel 5.1 and above allows setting the compression level . Let's see . |
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| 18:30.41 | mason | tomtastic: Hey there. Just noticed scrollback. My favourite method right now is to follow the "custom package" guide from zfsonlinux.org, as I'm not a huge fan of DKMS. You can also build ZFS into your kernel with relative ease. |
| 18:31.32 | mason | I've not moved over to 2.0.0 yet as I've been waiting for 2.0.1 or similar, but as I fail to see show-stoppers appearing I might jump to it early. On 0.8.x now across my infrastructure. |
| 18:33.18 | I_am_nobody777 | mason: Hi , I was going for zfs but settled on btrfs . |
| 18:34.28 | mason | I_am_nobody777: I hope it works out for you. Since you have to chase the bleeding edge of kernel development for bug fixes, I think it is shaping up way, way more slowly than ZFS, and there are still horror stories of data loss, so please make and trust back-ups. That said, the world will be a better place of BtrFS becomes just as reliable as ZFS, so please submit bug reports if you encounter bugs. |
| 18:34.48 | mason | s/make and trust/make and test so you can trust/ |
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| 18:43.29 | I_am_nobody777 | mason: zfs is fascinating , mature and featureful , but , for various reasons (like building kernel module , booting with zfsbootmenu from encrypted pool and etc ) it's complicated for me . So , I went for btrfs . currently LUKS + btrfs works fine and I have installed devuan and void in subvolumes , dualbooting them . Hey , whatever floats your boat , right . |
| 18:44.04 | mason | I_am_nobody777: Yeah, there are definitely lots of moving parts because it's not shipped with the OS. |
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| 18:46.12 | I_am_nobody777 | mason: Exactly. Maybe in the future , zfs gets integrated in the linux kernel after resolving the license mess . |
| 18:46.42 | mason | I_am_nobody777: There are patent issues that probably have more teeth. |
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| 18:55.00 | I_am_nobody777 | mason: Yeah . see you around ^_^ |
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| 19:47.20 | user282069 | ok noticed some more breakage |
| 19:47.56 | user282069 | in apt history i read upgraded to linux-headers/image 4.19.0.13 |
| 19:48.10 | user282069 | and is not among my grub choices |
| 19:49.03 | user282069 | and the 4.19.0.9 packages ;; which i autoremoved;;; still are |
| 19:53.46 | user282069 | sorry ..it seems no headers were installed for .13 o_O |
| 19:53.47 | mason | user282069: UEFI or legacy? |
| 19:53.50 | user282069 | legacy |
| 19:54.16 | user282069 | and thank you for the reply and consideration mason o/ |
| 19:54.22 | mason | user282069: kk, so you shouldn't have to worry about an ESP. Running update-grub should update the system's notion of what kernels are there. |
| 19:54.57 | user282069 | ye i was fishing around for this command with grub-* |
| 19:55.38 | user282069 | ok i am installing --reinstalling the .13 headers and image; and then i will update-grub also why not |
| 19:55.40 | mason | user282069: You can see what it finds by looking at /boot/grub/grub.cfg after it's run. |
| 19:55.46 | user282069 | ok thank you very much |
| 19:56.16 | mason | start reading that file at "/etc/grub.d/10_linux" and you should see entries for your installed kernels |
| 19:58.00 | fsmithred | install linux-image-<arch> and linux-headers-<arch> and you will always get the latest kernel and headers |
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| 23:40.53 | Criggie | does synergy run under beowulf? I'm doing a dist-upgrade from Ascii and it wants to remove synergy, which is important to me. |
| 23:41.53 | fsmithred | where did you get it? |
| 23:41.58 | fsmithred | it's not in the repo |
| 23:42.24 | Criggie | yeah its the pro version from symless directly, so its packaged for debian generically. |
| 23:42.44 | Criggie | likewise the steam isntaller is going to be removed if I dist-upgrade |
| 23:42.49 | fsmithred | so you're using the stretch version? There should be a buster version. |
| 23:43.29 | fsmithred | I don't know the proper way to handle those things, but you might have to remove them, upgrade, then reinstall newer versions of them. |
| 23:43.30 | Criggie | hang on - checkling |
| 23:44.12 | Criggie | okay thank you - I get confused by all the various names of versions and their equivalents sometimes. |
| 23:44.54 | fsmithred | beowulf=buster, chimaera=bullseye (still in testing) |
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| 23:46.08 | Criggie | yeah but its something I have to go look up, its not top of my head info. |
| 23:47.18 | Criggie | 1569 upgraded, 475 newly installed, 85 to remove and 22 not upgraded. |