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| 05:50.43 | clort | is there a fastboot package for devuan? for android mangling. |
| 05:50.50 | clort | it installs a placeholder script in /usr/bin |
| 05:51.28 | clort | apt-get source grabs a bunch of 'stuff' android-platform-system-core-10.0.0+r36 |
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| 12:42.25 | clort | older fastboot .debs still work btw - don't upgrade fastboot if you are on devuan ceres |
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| 12:45.32 | clort | wb tuxd3v |
| 12:45.51 | tuxd3v | clort, hell how are you? |
| 12:46.07 | clort | ? having some nice tea |
| 12:47.50 | tuxd3v | err, hell -> hello :) |
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| 13:12.03 | n4dir | folks. An old used PC arrived here. I am not sure if it is 32 bit or 64 bit. In the BIOS info it says: Cache Size 64kBx2 |
| 13:12.13 | n4dir | is that a 64 bit PC? |
| 13:14.03 | n4dir | i guess simply trying to boot from the 64 bit CD will do the trick. Sorry, confused. Thanks |
| 13:16.23 | n4dir | uh yeah. works. Sorry again. |
| 13:16.29 | tuxd3v | what is its name? |
| 13:16.33 | tuxd3v | version? |
| 13:16.46 | n4dir | already left the BIOS. Something HP |
| 13:17.07 | n4dir | gimme a sec, will tell |
| 13:17.30 | tuxd3v | check what cpu it has |
| 13:17.31 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 13:17.45 | n4dir | HP xp4600 Workstation |
| 13:19.31 | n4dir | intel processor, more i can't figure out right now, installs already |
| 13:19.41 | r3boot | c2d, thats 64bit |
| 13:20.23 | n4dir | weird what kind of stuff you get for free. 4 Gigs of RAM, 500 Gigs of harddisk. Looks good, for my needs. |
| 13:20.37 | r3boot | not so good for the climate tho :P |
| 13:20.57 | r3boot | But if it works, it works. A hell of a lot of room needed for so little computing power iig |
| 13:21.20 | tuxd3v | it could be a c2quad |
| 13:21.28 | tuxd3v | if the model was HP xw4600 Workstation |
| 13:21.30 | n4dir | it sure is a dual core |
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| 13:21.42 | tuxd3v | ho ok :) |
| 13:21.43 | n4dir | 3.3 Herz, or such |
| 13:22.41 | n4dir | This is much better than anything i had the last 5 or 10 years. Besides the new laptop, which is pretty much similar specs, a Gig less of Ram though |
| 13:23.24 | n4dir | also for free. Ha ha ha. |
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| 14:34.33 | tuxd3v | n4dir, nice job :) |
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| 19:14.45 | TwistedFate | my friend just updated from old stable to beowulf, and he cannot boot into his system, like fstab isn't being called again |
| 19:14.52 | TwistedFate | was there any changes made for fstab? |
| 19:19.14 | TwistedFate | anyone? |
| 19:20.09 | Guest3 | i guess note |
| 19:20.11 | Guest3 | *not |
| 19:24.42 | TwistedFate | he seems to have bunch of errors with core packages |
| 19:24.59 | Guest3 | is there anything wrong with the kernel image? |
| 19:25.07 | Guest3 | i remember running into that issue |
| 19:50.45 | clort | it would be interesting to be the kind of being that would use a 3.3 herz computer |
| 20:09.47 | gordonDrogon | clort, not quite 3.3Hz, but 6.5Khz? http://dmitry.gr/?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit |
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| 20:15.20 | nemo | Say... what's the "proper" way in debian/devuan to deactivate a service? |
| 20:15.27 | nemo | besides just deleting all the runlevel symlinks |
| 20:15.45 | nemo | is there a recommended approach, renaming them instead, a shell wrapper? |
| 20:17.12 | nemo | hm. update-rc.d seems to be used, and not just by package installers |
| 20:20.17 | nemo | yeah, result seems reasonable. good enough |
| 20:21.20 | hagbard_ | I'd assume unlinking the runlevel symlinks is indeed the proper way. |
| 20:29.19 | mason | nemo: update-rc.d is the correct way |
| 20:30.07 | nemo | yeah, was just wondering if there was like... some recommended approach for "do it in a reversible fashion" or something. |
| 20:30.21 | nemo | which it does not seem like update-rc.d worries about at all ⺠|
| 20:31.11 | nemo | ahhh I see. all that is provided in the init info section duh |
| 20:31.16 | nemo | which update-rc.d reads. nice |
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| 20:39.57 | rwp | nemo, If you modify the symlinks then you must leave at least one symlink in place or it will look like a pristine install and get the defaults reset later. See the man page. |
| 20:40.47 | rwp | nemo, Personally I prefer to modify the /etc/default/$foo file to do this. I often put an "exit 0" in there when I want to deactivate the init script. YMMV. |
| 20:41.57 | fsmithred | if you want easy on/off you can use sysv-rc-conf |
| 20:42.44 | nemo | rwp: oh. interesting |
| 20:42.50 | nemo | rwp: yeah. in this case I do indeed want to do that |
| 20:42.51 | clort | some amusing newthings from xscreensaver world https://www.jwz.org/blog/2020/12/xscreensaver-5-45/ |
| 20:43.24 | nemo | rwp: if you're curious, it's snmpd - basically, someone decided that the "default public read" which provides the server name and other deep secrets is a security hazard on a LAN |
| 20:43.41 | nemo | rwp: and while we figure out exactly what they want their snmpd settings to be, I just wanted to turn it off |
| 20:43.59 | nemo | rwp: but I definitely don't want upgrades enabling it again |
| 20:44.23 | nemo | on the other hand, modifying the init script is kinda too non-obvious for me. |
| 20:44.58 | nemo | rwp: actually I'm probably fine with update-rc.d snmpd diable since it leaves all the symlinks in place |
| 20:45.11 | nemo | *disable |
| 20:45.29 | fsmithred | it does? |
| 20:45.40 | nemo | fsmithred: well. as killed |
| 20:45.48 | nemo | S â K |
| 20:46.29 | DHE | kinda weird question. is there a minimum kernel version needed for devuan? I'm going to try running it in a chroot/container but a sorta old distro (kernel 3.10) as the host |
| 20:46.33 | nemo | rwp: I guess I was just thinking it might be more elegant if it did something like changing the symlink name to be K01snmpd-S01 or something for reversability... |
| 20:46.44 | fsmithred | yeah, I'm reading that now |
| 20:46.44 | nemo | but nbd |
| 20:47.34 | fsmithred | aha! -f removes the links |
| 20:47.44 | nemo | DHE: until recently I'd been using ascii kernel just fine in beowulf on a work laptop due to a stupid requirement that I inject my kernel with some dubious binary |
| 20:47.58 | fsmithred | I'm not sure what sysv-rc-does. I never checked to see if the links are still there. |
| 20:48.03 | fsmithred | checking... |
| 20:48.07 | rwp | update-rc.d with disable is okay for me too. But there is at least one user who is very upset about it. https://bugs.debian.org/975591 |
| 20:49.23 | rwp | If the symlinks are all removed then they will get recreated as the default next time because it looks like a fresh installation. So must leave at least one. |
| 20:49.38 | fsmithred | next time what? |
| 20:50.00 | rwp | Either disable with all of them set to K??foo or perhaps leave just the /rc/rc6.d/K??foo link which is for shutdown. Can't see that being an issue for anyone. Except... Bug#975591 |
| 20:50.54 | fsmithred | sysv-rc-conf renames the links |
| 20:51.00 | rwp | nemo, I am contemplating proposing changing symlinks to D??foo if the user wishes them to be neither start nor kill links. |
| 20:51.51 | rwp | The next version of the OS should always be compatible with the previous OS version kernel. Otherwise upgrades are a problem. |
| 20:52.05 | rwp | And the reverse. The next OS version kernel should always be compatible with the previous OS version kernel. |
| 20:52.19 | rwp | But skipping two is possible to be incompatible ABI. |
| 20:52.38 | nemo | rwp: DS01/DK01 would let me easily restore prior state I guess - I've never tried stuff like that since I had no idea how init.d handled it |
| 20:52.39 | rwp | However, I think it will actually work as a matter of practicality over a pretty wide range of kernels. |
| 20:53.09 | rwp | And also many cloud host vendors run the latest bleeding edge kernel that they upgrade routinely running some very old customer OS distributions. |
| 20:53.45 | rwp | nemo, I only said I was contemplating proposing it. At this time I believe those will just be seen as extra files. And it will be as if they do not exist at all. |
| 20:54.05 | nemo | cool |
| 20:54.10 | rwp | Just like the README file in that directory. Therefore changing all links to D??foo right now would be the same as removing all of them. Therefore leave at least one. |
| 20:54.18 | nemo | oh right. shoot |
| 20:54.30 | nemo | well. I guess in this case I'd only want to change the starts |
| 20:54.40 | nemo | so I could just rename those and leave the kills |
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| 20:54.50 | rwp | If disable works changing them to K??foo links then that is a good way to do it. Or modifying the /etc/default/foo script is usually good for me. |
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| 20:55.23 | rwp | has to run! TTYL! |
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