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| 11:11.16 | sammi`_ | for mason |
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| 14:27.42 | I_am_nobody777 | Hello |
| 14:28.53 | I_am_nobody777 | Anyone there ? |
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| 14:35.45 | DHE | intermittently |
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| 14:36.02 | sgage | nope |
| 14:37.24 | I_am_nobody777 | I just downloaded devuan minimal iso . dd ed it to a usb . It didn't boot . |
| 14:37.52 | fsmithred | uefi or bios hardware? |
| 14:38.02 | I_am_nobody777 | uefi |
| 14:38.19 | fsmithred | minimal-live is only bios, but I did make one for uefi |
| 14:38.23 | fsmithred | want the link? |
| 14:38.34 | fsmithred | note: I'm the one who makes all the live isos |
| 14:38.49 | I_am_nobody777 | I thought it should support both . |
| 14:39.34 | fsmithred | the desktop-live supports both |
| 14:39.34 | I_am_nobody777 | Anyways , Thanks , the link would help . ps : I downloaded from torrent . |
| 14:39.43 | fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64_uefi_minimal-live.iso |
| 14:39.45 | fsmithred | oh |
| 14:39.50 | fsmithred | no torrent for this one |
| 14:40.15 | I_am_nobody777 | Thanks very much , will use wget. |
| 14:40.33 | fsmithred | it's usually pretty fast |
| 14:41.00 | I_am_nobody777 | This is my first time at irc , Am I doing fine ? Any advices ? |
| 14:41.10 | fsmithred | yeah, you're doing fine |
| 14:41.27 | fsmithred | as already hinted, don't ask to ask; just ask. |
| 14:41.47 | fsmithred | and sometimes answer will come after minutes or hours |
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| 14:45.44 | I_am_nobody777 | ok , Thank you. |
| 14:46.41 | fsmithred | oh, you missed the last thing I said |
| 14:46.52 | fsmithred | answers may come later |
| 14:46.59 | fsmithred | minutes or hours later |
| 14:47.21 | I_am_nobody777 | ok , this is really cool |
| 14:47.48 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 14:48.02 | fsmithred | also cool that people here are scattered all over the planet |
| 14:48.42 | I_am_nobody777 | yeah , thanks to technology |
| 14:49.40 | I_am_nobody777 | Has anyone tried zfs root with devuan ? |
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| 14:59.38 | sgage | I_am_nobody: If you want something a bit more asynchronous |
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| 14:59.47 | sgage | there is a forum as well |
| 15:00.11 | sgage | https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 15:01.43 | I_am_nobody777 | ok |
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| 15:52.47 | mason | Oh, he left before I could proselytize ZFS on Devuan. |
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| 17:17.43 | rkta | E: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/f/firefox-esr/firefox-esr_78.6.0esr-1~deb10u1_amd64.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:878:346::116 80] Should I just wait? |
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| 17:43.01 | mason | rkta: Do you have IPv6 enabled? |
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| 18:03.42 | rkta | mason: I don't know, I did not configure something after install |
| 18:04.26 | rkta | mason: ifconfig shows multiple inet6 addresses |
| 18:05.48 | mason | rkta: Right, but that doesn't mean you can talk to IPv6 things in the outside world. That depends on your connection to your ISP, or if you're using a tunnelf or it. |
| 18:08.20 | rkta | mason: Yes, my ISP provides IPv6 |
| 18:08.54 | DHE | but the error was specifically 404, suggesting that connectivity is fine |
| 18:09.06 | mason | DHE: Yeah, just not noticed that. =cough= |
| 18:09.09 | mason | Sorry. |
| 18:11.11 | mason | (I was thinking DNS didn't resolve, but as often happens, I was confused.) |
| 18:13.06 | mason | rkta: Anyway, if you try again you might get a different mirror. |
| 18:13.36 | rkta | I tried multiple times, will try again |
| 18:14.33 | rkta | nope, same mirror, same error. Is a cache involved that I can clear? |
| 18:15.17 | mason | rkta: I don't believe so. I believe you're pulling Debian packages from deb.debian.org, a mirror bouncer. |
| 18:16.16 | rkta | Ok, then it is a debian problem, not devuan, is it? |
| 18:16.22 | mason | rkta: If I go to http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/f/firefox-esr/ I'm evidently getting a different mirror, as I see your package. |
| 18:16.31 | mason | rkta: That's what I believe, yes. |
| 18:16.51 | mason | http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/f/firefox-esr/firefox-esr_78.6.0esr-1~deb10u1_amd64.deb seems to exist |
| 18:16.55 | mason | for me anyway |
| 18:18.31 | rkta | mason: wget works here too, but aptitude still fails *shrug* |
| 18:19.20 | mason | rkta: I'm not sure how to get you to resolve a different Debian mirror beyond being tricky with /etc/hosts or something. But you could try that. |
| 18:19.52 | mason | rkta: Maybe add an entry in /etc/hosts giving a more workable mirror in place of deb.debian.org. |
| 18:20.50 | mason | rkta: There's a list here: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 18:21.26 | mason | I've not tested this theory but it might consistently get you faster downloads. |
| 18:22.41 | rkta | mason: thanks, I gonna install the deb with dpkg and try changing the mirror if the problem occurs regularly |
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| 18:26.36 | mason | rkta: That sounds like the best plan. |
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| 20:21.20 | systemdlete | I used dd to create swapfile on an encrypted btrfs, which in turn is on lvm partition. On one system, this works fine, on the other it fails because the dd-generated file has holes in it. Any ideas? |
| 20:22.50 | systemdlete | My dd cmd was thus so: dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/swap bs=1048576 count=100 |
| 20:23.40 | systemdlete | mkswap /home/swap ; swapon /home/swap |
| 20:24.01 | systemdlete | kern.log reports that the swapfile has holes in it. |
| 20:25.18 | systemdlete | (Yes, I ddg'd for it. Just admonitions to use dd, not fallocate, which solved many peoples' problem) |
| 20:27.44 | mason | systemdlete: Be aware that it can be deeply problematic if you are forced into swap, but swap has both a CoW filesystem and an encrypted layer in-between you and it. |
| 20:28.16 | mason | systemdlete: Does btrfs have an equivalent to ZFS volumes? If so, that'd be a better answer, although still far from ideal. |
| 20:28.42 | systemdlete | I did not realize that swap has encrytion already. Is that enabled by default? |
| 20:28.52 | mason | Best would be just saving a raw partition to use for swap, or a raw MD, or even adding LUKS. |
| 20:29.12 | systemdlete | But mason, I am thinking the problem is btrfs. On the system where it worked, it was ext4 (with lvm encrypted) |
| 20:29.38 | systemdlete | I'm using luks for /home, so I figured it would be safe to have a swap on /home |
| 20:30.02 | systemdlete | But since swap apparently has encryption already, maybe I can put the swap on another partition. |
| 20:30.06 | mason | systemdlete: It doesn't on its own, but you can easily support it - reference (for instance) /dev/mapper/swap have something in /etc/crypttab that makes that exist, and give it a swap flag. |
| 20:30.21 | mason | systemdlete: The real issue would be having swap living atop BtrFS. |
| 20:30.22 | systemdlete | oh, I see. Thanks. |
| 20:30.27 | systemdlete | Right. |
| 20:30.45 | systemdlete | I didn't notice that until a moment after I posted, sorry. That would be the kicker, yes. |
| 20:31.18 | mason | systemdlete: It will probably work fine without pressure, but you really want swap when your system has memory pressure. |
| 20:31.19 | systemdlete | So btrfs is likely to have holes in a dd'd file then. |
| 20:33.43 | systemdlete | ? |
| 20:33.54 | systemdlete | what happened -- I just typed something and it is gone |
| 20:34.27 | systemdlete | I'll create a lv for swap and add it to /etc/cryptfs |
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| 20:35.39 | mason | cryptfs? |
| 20:39.31 | systemdlete | crypttab, sorry. |
| 20:39.58 | systemdlete | anyway, is it that btrfs just doesn't support hole-less (non-sparse) files? Why doesn't it work? |
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| 20:46.09 | systemdlete | https://lwn.net/Articles/718805/ -- slightly different problem, but it seems to point to some issue with sparseness on btrfs |
| 20:47.59 | systemdlete | I think I will create a new lv fs for /home (and swap), format it for ext4, copy my existing home to it, and create the swapfile there instead. My objective is to only have to enter the crypt fs password once (I have my system set for autologin) |
| 20:48.26 | systemdlete | Sounds to me like btrfs still needs some maturation or the like. |
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| 20:52.34 | mason | Yeah. Hopefully it gets there someday. |
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| 21:01.25 | systemdlete | I'm not knocking btrfs. It will eventually become the replacement for ext4 and friends. I'm trying an experiment. Instead of dd from /dev/zero, I'm dd'ing from /dev/random (which takes eternity, but...) |
| 21:01.56 | systemdlete | Then I'll see if mkswap/swapon works with that. I don't dare use it for real, though. Just an experiment. |
| 21:02.49 | fsmithred | it should be fine. It's not like swap is always full of zeroes. |
| 21:03.04 | systemdlete | Even if that much works, there is no guarantee that btrfs swap will work in use because maybe it will save zeroed blocks to the swapfile, leaving a hole in the table! |
| 21:03.29 | systemdlete | I'd rather not be a guinea pig for that result. |
| 21:03.45 | fsmithred | why btrfs and lvm? Doesn't the btrfs give you the features of lvm? |
| 21:03.58 | systemdlete | I haven't tried it, tbh. |
| 21:04.17 | systemdlete | I'm not anxious about using btrfs. It's more that I'm trying not to be so... old. |
| 21:04.51 | systemdlete | I'm trying to be a bit... uh. idk. |
| 21:04.53 | systemdlete | daring? |
| 21:05.34 | golinux | Try a couch and a analyst to work that out |
| 21:10.46 | n4dir | most hypes come and go. The de-facto standards stay. I am fine being old and ignoring the hypes. My 2 cents |
| 21:11.45 | golinux | The SNS syndrome is a mental defect IMO |
| 21:13.17 | systemdlete | (I think golinux is reminding us to take this to O.T. channel) |
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| 21:14.47 | golinux | Good idea! |
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| 21:14.57 | systemdlete | (I figured you would!) |
| 21:15.24 | golinux | offtopic is our therapy center |
| 21:15.41 | fsmithred | !!! |
| 21:15.41 | infobot | in #devuan the exclamation mark ("!"), when put as first char in a line, is the infobot attention char (a shorthand for "infobot: ..." highlight). This is on special request, in most other channels the bot uses tilde ("~") as attention char, and you'll find factoids referring to that like "also see ~<factoid>" |
| 21:15.51 | fsmithred | oops. sorry. |
| 21:16.09 | systemdlete | (!) |
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| 21:16.32 | systemdlete | heads over to therapy |
| 21:16.39 | fsmithred | good luck |
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