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| 03:31.11 | anjan | hi, I keep getting downloading a file failed under "configure the package manager" |
| 03:31.20 | anjan | I can ping google.ca on tty2 |
| 03:31.29 | anjan | and I have tried the other mirror |
| 03:34.43 | anjan | alright, I just decided not to select an archive |
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| 03:38.20 | golinux | Are you using http://deb.devuan.org in your sources.list? |
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| 03:40.55 | golinux | anjan: More info here: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages |
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| 03:47.42 | anjan | golinux: interesting, I didnt gave beowulf main in my sources.list |
| 03:47.57 | anjan | but I had beowulf-security and beowulf-updates |
| 03:48.09 | anjan | just added it thanks. |
| 03:49.10 | anjan | golinux: Im getting "File has unexpected size. Mirror sync in progress?" during my apt update |
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| 05:20.50 | alv | morning all !!! |
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| 05:23.52 | alv | there is a problem with the i386 packages on the repository deb.devuan.org and pkgmaster.devuan.org |
| 05:25.21 | alv | the Error "Packages.xz was corrupt" !!! |
| 05:28.17 | rrq | pkgmaster should be ok now; it'll propagate to all deb.devuan.org hosts within 3 hours |
| 05:31.59 | anjan | I have had problem with that too |
| 05:32.09 | anjan | good to know it's fixed |
| 05:32.46 | anjan | I was pulling my hair out why it wasnt working during my install. I ended up installing chimera |
| 05:35.44 | alv | ohhh thanks guys !!!!!!! |
| 05:37.37 | alv | what was the problem ???? |
| 05:47.23 | rrq | not sure; disturbed my breakfast, then lunch then afternoon tea :) |
| 05:48.49 | onefang | So the problem is that you should eat more regular meals. |
| 05:56.27 | alv | seems to work now !!! anyway i'm waiting he will finish the installation !!! |
| 05:57.42 | alv | just to be sure no problem arise !!! |
| 05:58.50 | onefang | Most of the mirrors update every 30 minutes, only some of them take up to 3 hours. |
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| 06:11.09 | alv | ok @onefang !!! |
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| 06:30.50 | alv_ | ok it worked like a charm !!! |
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| 10:30.23 | gnarface | did you check the release notes? in both cases to get the gui tools working there is stuff to do, i think |
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| 14:36.08 | toorcie | Hi. Anyone know how to be allowed to make a thread on r/devuan? The only mod is 'reddit.com/user/AutoModerator'. ð |
| 14:37.11 | toorcie | To be an approved user, I clicked the button to send a request to the moderators but that was days ago and nothings happened. |
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| 15:03.09 | MinceR | sounds like reddit is not the way to go |
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| 18:24.09 | sammi` | howdy |
| 18:24.27 | mason | o/ |
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| 18:48.23 | anjan | Hi, I have tried to find chromium in the repos and I cannot find it. I have main, non-free, and contrib enabled |
| 18:49.42 | mason | anjan: apt update - it should be there |
| 18:49.48 | fsmithred | $ apt policy chromium |
| 18:49.48 | fsmithred | chromium: |
| 18:49.48 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.48 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.53 | anjan | Im using chimaera |
| 18:50.04 | fsmithred | ok, hang on |
| 18:50.06 | mason | Ah, it's there in Beowulf. Unsure of Chimaera. |
| 18:50.58 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.06 | mason | anjan: Yeah, there was some notion that it might be removed, and it appears to have been dropped. |
| 18:51.09 | fsmithred | 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera/main amd64 Packages |
| 18:51.17 | fsmithred | oh |
| 18:51.29 | mason | fsmithred: It's that thing I brought up in the last meeting. |
| 18:51.36 | mason | I hope it returns. |
| 18:51.43 | fsmithred | well, it's showing up in chimaera and ceres |
| 18:51.49 | fsmithred | and sid |
| 18:52.03 | mason | It's not showing up in Bullseye any more. |
| 18:52.10 | anjan | it's not showing up =( |
| 18:52.17 | fsmithred | 83.0.4103.116-3.1+b2 50 in sid/ceres |
| 18:52.24 | mason | It's still in Sid, yeah. |
| 18:52.34 | fsmithred | anjan, I'm using 86.x from ubuntu 18.04 |
| 18:52.36 | mason | So I guess it'll work its way back down. |
| 18:52.53 | mason | anjan: This is why stable is generally recommended, FWIW. |
| 18:52.55 | fsmithred | I just downloadede the deb and installed it. It's called chromium-browser |
| 18:53.23 | fsmithred | 86.0.4240.198-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 |
| 18:53.37 | fsmithred | works in chimaera |
| 18:53.46 | anjan | fsmithred: where can I download? |
| 18:53.50 | mason | Just need to make sure you manually check for security updates, in a manual install. |
| 18:53.57 | anjan | mason: ya, I know. it's just stable is ancient |
| 18:54.10 | mason | I'm ancient. What are you trying to say? |
| 18:54.14 | anjan | heh |
| 18:54.19 | anjan | I installed debian stable for my dad |
| 18:54.30 | anjan | it's a great distro for my dad who doesnt like things changing |
| 18:54.50 | anjan | Im a linux enthusiast - used arch/void for years. So I like more up to date packages |
| 18:55.03 | anjan | I think Im becoming like my dad so I installed devuan testing |
| 18:55.14 | mason | I like stuff that works so I don't have to think about it, so I can focus on projects. |
| 18:55.34 | fsmithred | https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=chromium |
| 18:55.52 | fsmithred | get the one for bionic. Looks like it's on 87 already. I'm out of date. |
| 18:55.58 | fsmithred | just installed it last week. |
| 18:57.24 | anjan | fsmithred: thanks |
| 18:57.29 | fsmithred | you also need |
| 18:57.47 | anjan | mason: is changing my release from chimaera to beowulf supported? |
| 18:57.54 | fsmithred | chromium-codes-ffmpeg or chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra |
| 18:58.11 | fsmithred | I think one or the other. Pretty sure I installed both, and one replaced the other |
| 18:59.00 | fsmithred | yeah, I just have the -extra installed |
| 18:59.26 | mason | anjan: Moving backwards is generally unsupported. "Move forward or reinstall" generally. |
| 18:59.47 | mason | anjan: If I were you, since it's in unstable, I'd probably grab the unstable source package and do a local backport. |
| 19:00.09 | mason | You're still left on your own tracking security updates. |
| 19:00.13 | anjan | mason: I have no idea what any of those words mean |
| 19:00.19 | fsmithred | ouch. I just read that. Yes it's possible to downgrade. I don't advise it. |
| 19:00.32 | anjan | fsmithred: I see |
| 19:00.42 | mason | anjan: You can get source packages, and generally you can build them with little change against the version of the OS you've got. They'll link against the versions of libraries you've got, etc. |
| 19:01.40 | fsmithred | If you added the bionic security repo, and pinned it to a low priority, you could periodically check for updates from the command line or synaptic |
| 19:01.49 | fsmithred | and not have anything installed by accident |
| 19:02.25 | fsmithred | otherwise, bookmark that page I gave you and check it regularly |
| 19:02.36 | anjan | fsmithred: ya, Im deciding between not getting security updates and muddying up my pristine system by installing an ubuntu repo |
| 19:02.43 | anjan | or that |
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| 19:03.10 | fsmithred | you know how to do pinning? |
| 19:03.24 | anjan | I think Ive done it once when I was 10 |
| 19:03.31 | anjan | (im 23 now) |
| 19:03.51 | fsmithred | if you're comfortable with that, you can be safe. I have sid and ceres repos in my beowulf, but nothing will be installed from them unless I tell it to pull from one of those. |
| 19:03.59 | fsmithred | and I never do that. I only check. |
| 19:04.03 | fsmithred | 13 years ago? |
| 19:04.14 | anjan | ya, thats when i first installed debian |
| 19:04.16 | fsmithred | maybe this is not the first pin you should practice with. |
| 19:04.17 | fsmithred | lol |
| 19:04.41 | anjan | is calling in firefox fixed tho? |
| 19:04.52 | fsmithred | is what? |
| 19:04.59 | anjan | like jitsi, zoom, etc. |
| 19:05.01 | anjan | in firefox |
| 19:05.03 | anjan | is it ok? |
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| 19:05.13 | fsmithred | only thing I use chromium for is jitsi and zoom |
| 19:05.21 | anjan | same |
| 19:05.26 | anjan | thats the only reason I need it |
| 19:05.37 | fsmithred | some people have entered the chat in ff |
| 19:05.54 | anjan | ok |
| 19:06.06 | fsmithred | not sure how long they stayed |
| 19:06.06 | anjan | well, if it's an important call, like my exam, Ill just load up my laptop |
| 19:06.30 | anjan | is chromium expected to be added to testing soon? |
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| 19:07.47 | fsmithred | sid/ceres still has 83.x |
| 19:07.58 | fsmithred | and it's a different one today than it was a week ago |
| 19:08.22 | fsmithred | I don't know if they backported patches |
| 19:08.53 | fsmithred | when I looked at the list of unfixed vulnerabilities in chromium, it was the longest such list I've ever seen |
| 19:09.19 | anjan | ya web browsers were a mistake |
| 19:09.27 | fsmithred | might not be a bad idea to only run that sucker inside a VM |
| 19:11.51 | anjan | fsmithred: ungoogled chromium seems to have a portable version |
| 19:12.00 | anjan | do you think they have an autoupdating mechanism? |
| 19:12.08 | anjan | their builds are unreproduceble tho |
| 19:26.22 | fsmithred | I have no idea |
| 19:26.25 | fsmithred | anjan, |
| 19:26.42 | anjan | fsmithred: they have it in the open suse open build system |
| 19:26.45 | fsmithred | portable means what? appimage? |
| 19:26.58 | anjan | just a tarball |
| 19:27.07 | fsmithred | try it |
| 19:27.09 | anjan | of compiled binaries and the needed libraries |
| 19:27.27 | fsmithred | if it's like ff tarballs, you can unpack it in your home |
| 19:27.28 | rwp | FYI: Ubuntu package names it as chromium-browser. Debian package names it as chromium. |
| 19:27.44 | fsmithred | yeah, I have both installed at once |
| 19:27.46 | anjan | fsmithred: ya thats how this program is too |
| 19:28.36 | anjan | No usable sandbox! Update your kernel |
| 19:28.40 | anjan | Im on 5.9.0 |
| 19:28.41 | rwp | Jitsi definitely works acceptably well in Firefox. No real problems. Just missing a few menu selections. |
| 19:28.41 | anjan | wth |
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| 19:29.05 | anjan | rwp: ah cheers. I was having trouble with video calls in firefox |
| 19:29.15 | anjan | I wonder if thats cause I wasnt running firefox-esr |
| 19:29.30 | rwp | I definitely use Beowulf Firefox for Jitsi no problem. Routine usage here. |
| 19:29.51 | anjan | okie dokie |
| 19:29.54 | anjan | thanks rwp |
| 19:29.55 | rwp | Including sharing of the desktop. |
| 19:30.02 | mason | anjan: If you can pull something from an OpenSuSE build system repo, that's not a bad way to track new builds. If the builder is diligent, it can be useful. |
| 19:30.03 | fsmithred | cool, thanks |
| 19:30.29 | anjan | mason: the only issue is which one do I choose https://build.opensuse.org/search?search_text=ungoogled+chromium |
| 19:30.31 | rwp | Chromium definitely works "better" in that all of the menu items exist for all of the little things. |
| 19:30.42 | mason | FWIW, you might read about Jitsi not working with Firefox. There were issues up until earlier this year. |
| 19:31.05 | anjan | mason: no, I tried using jitsi in firefox for like 6 months earlier this year |
| 19:31.11 | anjan | actually ya, that was earlier this year |
| 19:31.15 | anjan | thanks for the heads up guys |
| 19:31.22 | anjan | I prefer firefox over chromium 100% |
| 19:31.47 | rwp | If I run Mozilla Firefox then it only works with pulseaudio and therefore I run Mozilla Firefox as "apulse firefox" with the apulse adapter for audio. That works well actually. |
| 19:31.47 | fsmithred | ungoogled-chromium_87.0.4280.88-1.1_linux/chrome: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.29' not found (required by ungoogled-chromium_87.0.4280.88-1.1_linux/chrome) |
| 19:32.22 | anjan | wow, devuan has emoji support by default |
| 19:32.27 | fsmithred | looks like I have 2.28 in beowulf |
| 19:32.29 | anjan | I could never get that to work with void/arch |
| 19:32.56 | rwp | firefox-esr runs with either pulse or alsa so when I tried upstream Mozilla Firefox I had no sound until I figured out to use the apulse adaptor. |
| 19:35.15 | fsmithred | ok, I got it to install and run in chimaera but it complained about sandbox, and I can only start it with --no-sandbox |
| 19:36.24 | fsmithred | looks like it works. |
| 19:36.30 | fsmithred | until I try to close the window |
| 19:36.44 | rwp | Personally I wish that instead of handling web browser upgrades through the security path that they had simply moved them to the "volatile" area of $suite-updates next to tzdata and the other things that change continuously. |
| 19:37.46 | rwp | Since they are not backpatched like other security fixes are handled but are just jumped ahead to the latest top of tree upstream version. |
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| 19:50.21 | anjan | anyone tried zoom over firefox? |
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| 20:04.24 | rwp | anjan, Zoom? Not I. |
| 20:04.42 | anjan | rwp: I hate it but I need it for university |
| 20:05.02 | anjan | the fact that spyware is required for getting an education now........ |
| 20:05.04 | anjan | very unhappy |
| 20:10.00 | golinux | Soon we will all be surrounded by spyware whatever we buy or wherever we go. |
| 20:10.00 | rwp | Understood. It's the times we life in now. "Sad life. Probably have sad death. But at least there is symmetry." --Zathras |
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| 20:10.35 | golinux | It's good time to be old . . . |
| 20:11.51 | rwp | I am starting to have those dreams where you are dreaming that you have an exam but haven't been to class all semester... |
| 20:12.54 | anjan | rwp: Ive heard those dreams dont end after you graduate and Im terrified of that |
| 20:13.08 | anjan | my mom is like "ya, Ive had that dream so many times, I have strategies" |
| 20:13.09 | anjan | lmfaooooo |
| 20:13.31 | clort | those dreams do not end after you graduate |
| 20:13.35 | clort | for me. it's weird |
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| 22:06.59 | clort | vpn borked: ip6tables-save: symbol lookup error: ip6tables-save: undefined symbol: xtables_ |
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| 22:07.22 | clort | iptables -L |
| 22:07.22 | clort | iptables: symbol lookup error: iptables: undefined symbol: xtables_fini |
| 22:07.39 | clort | i hate nvidia |
| 22:07.47 | clort | halp tux3d |
| 22:07.54 | clort | need a good kernel |
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| 22:53.17 | rwp | clort, That is an odd error. I assume you are on Beowulf? Does "ldd -d -r /usr/sbin/iptables" resolve all libs okay? Does it find libxtables.so.12 okay? |
| 22:53.55 | rwp | An example from a Beowulf system here. https://paste.debian.net/1176794/ |
| 22:54.53 | rwp | I am suspecting a mixup that if an executable can't find a symbol then I suspect a mixup of executable and libs. |
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| 22:56.30 | clort | undefined symbol: xtables_fini (/usr/sbin/iptables) |
| 22:56.51 | clort | from ldd -r |
| 23:08.19 | rwp | Well... That's not good. More comparison with my up to date Beowulf system: https://paste.debian.net/1176796/ |
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| 23:09.13 | clort | it's the crappy nvidia kernel |
| 23:11.24 | clort | and the internet has one person with that error |
| 23:11.43 | clort | maybe it's some state's trojan causing probs |
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| 23:34.27 | gnarface | i dunno, valve's steamlink kernel throws iptables overboard too |
| 23:34.46 | gnarface | as does the kernel on my gp2x wiz, for whatever that's worth |
| 23:35.03 | gnarface | it seems like a common thing for all hardware vendors to |
| 23:35.05 | gnarface | to do* |
| 23:36.05 | gnarface | i don't like it either, but it's possible you can still build and load missing stuff |
| 23:37.20 | gnarface | trojan or no, they clearly don't care about security at that layer |
| 23:37.37 | gnarface | you might have to rebuild the whole kernel |
| 23:38.02 | gnarface | sometimes that might require sourcing patches and firmware that don't exist or are protected under NDA |
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| 23:38.38 | gnarface | but sometimes it's just that nobody has done the work |
| 23:38.48 | gnarface | (sometimes it's a lot of work) |
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| 23:53.02 | gnarface | on the steam link apparently you can just kexec a whole different kernel after boot if you build it with their toolkit |
| 23:53.19 | gnarface | not sure if that'll work for tegra stuff or not though |