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| 04:22.16 | DashiePie | hello |
| 04:22.37 | DashiePie | I have a question, if anyone's available |
| 04:24.13 | debdog | shoot |
| 04:25.05 | DashiePie | so, I'm trying to install something in Wine, and I need wine-gecko, where could I find that? |
| 04:26.22 | debdog | it should⢠ask for permission to download and install it when running a wineprefix for the first time |
| 04:26.45 | DashiePie | I don't remember if it did, but I don't think it did |
| 04:26.56 | gnarface | DashiePie: use the wine-gecko it asks to install on a fresh prefix |
| 04:27.00 | debdog | otherwise: https://wiki.winehq.org/Gecko |
| 04:27.04 | gnarface | DashiePie: (but use the mono package from the repo) |
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| 04:51.06 | DashiePie | so, which one of those do I use for wine 4.0? |
| 04:53.41 | debdog | good question. I'd try 2.47 and 2.47.1 |
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| 05:04.00 | DashiePie | 2.47 worked, thanks guys |
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| 16:01.05 | tuxd3v | new improvements to power management for AMD graphics cards are queued for linux 5.11.. |
| 16:01.23 | tuxd3v | I assume they wilkl be backported to the 5,10 LTS.. |
| 16:01.38 | tuxd3v | err, wilkl -> will |
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| 20:00.31 | sixwheeledbeast | navi or big navi? |
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| 21:20.15 | tuxd3v | sixwheeledbeast, for a lot of boards, a lost of improvements but the part that interests me is - GCN 1.1 Sea Islands GPU power management :) |
| 21:23.36 | sixwheeledbeast | oh that old, I upgraded from Cape Verde to Polaris a while back. |
| 21:24.10 | tuxd3v | yeah , I have a Kavery APU :) |
| 21:24.17 | tuxd3v | it has a r7 inside :) |
| 21:24.26 | tuxd3v | GCN 1.1 |
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| 21:25.01 | suavedandy | How often do backports get upgraded? |
| 21:25.13 | suavedandy | Thought about backporting the kernel. |
| 21:25.35 | suavedandy | Having some problems with the swapfile on BtrFS. |
| 21:26.27 | tuxd3v | I just use ext4, for fs and Zram for swap :) |
| 21:26.56 | fsmithred | suavedandy, wheneverly |
| 21:27.01 | suavedandy | I wanted to install BtrFS so I won't screw everything up. |
| 21:27.04 | fsmithred | it's up to whoever backported it |
| 21:27.45 | fsmithred | avoiding btrfs would increase the odds of not screwing up |
| 21:28.11 | suavedandy | But backups⦠|
| 21:28.20 | suavedandy | I mean, snapshots. |
| 21:28.27 | suavedandy | Rollback, yes. |
| 21:28.30 | suavedandy | Rollback. |
| 21:28.51 | fsmithred | there are ways to get those things without btrfs |
| 21:28.56 | suavedandy | Restore points. What if I'll screw up the configs? |
| 21:29.34 | fsmithred | I used to always make a backup copy before editing a config file. I rarely do it now. |
| 21:30.36 | fsmithred | I think rsnapshot does what you want. Not sure. |
| 21:31.05 | suavedandy | But if the maintainer upgrades the backport wheneverly, does that mean I'll have to update and upgrade every week? |
| 21:31.16 | fsmithred | huh? |
| 21:31.28 | fsmithred | what backport are you looking for? |
| 21:31.38 | suavedandy | The kernel. |
| 21:32.05 | suavedandy | linux-images-amd64 and and linux-headers-amd64 |
| 21:32.14 | fsmithred | those will probably continue to be backported until bullseye settles on a kernel. |
| 21:32.51 | fsmithred | final freeze will happen some undetermined date after next March |
| 21:33.10 | fsmithred | why would you have to keep upgrading it? |
| 21:33.26 | suavedandy | To keep it up-to-date? |
| 21:33.41 | fsmithred | I assume you need a newer kernel for some newer hardware |
| 21:33.47 | suavedandy | How often do you upgrade backports? |
| 21:33.47 | fsmithred | in which case you use what works |
| 21:33.53 | fsmithred | never |
| 21:34.04 | fsmithred | I don't have anything in backports |
| 21:34.06 | suavedandy | I mean, I thought backports are kinda rolling. Like Arch. |
| 21:34.30 | fsmithred | anto backports mate and cinnamon |
| 21:34.31 | suavedandy | fsmithred: Nah, just for BtrFS. |
| 21:35.07 | fsmithred | kernels are backported to support new hardware. Same with firmware (occasionally) |
| 21:35.26 | fsmithred | that's important because debian always uses old software |
| 21:35.27 | suavedandy | Swap files don't work with BtrFS on kernel version <5.0. |
| 21:35.43 | fsmithred | what's in backports now? |
| 21:35.49 | suavedandy | 5.9. |
| 21:35.50 | fsmithred | oh < |
| 21:35.58 | fsmithred | so any of those should work |
| 21:36.23 | fsmithred | if you want to pay attention to kernel security updates, look at chimaera. Backports will follow (maybe) |
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| 21:55.05 | sammi`_ | never thought that systemd-free debian is such active |
| 21:57.04 | gnarface | people trying to trace the installation base by the amount of noise in this channel are going to get their metrics very far off, i think |
| 21:57.13 | fsmithred | lol |
| 21:58.12 | suavedandy | I think it's just people being helpful here. |
| 21:58.24 | n4dir | in #linux you hear devuan mentioned not that seldom. Not all the time, but some seem to have it in their mind. That the word devuan pops up in #debian now and then seems obvious |
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| 21:58.54 | n4dir | in my experience at least more often than antix/MX |
| 21:59.25 | suavedandy | Those are newer, I think. |
| 21:59.57 | n4dir | newer? |
| 22:00.11 | suavedandy | Devuan kinda got forked when Devuan devs changed their minds regarding SysVinit. |
| 22:00.39 | suavedandy | A portion of the devs disagreed with Debian adding systemd. |
| 22:00.51 | suavedandy | And it was a looooooong time ago. |
| 22:01.07 | fsmithred | huh? We didn't change our minds about sysvinit. |
| 22:01.26 | gnarface | i think the first "devuan" in that sentence was a typo and meant to be "debian" |
| 22:01.26 | suavedandy | I'm talking about Debian shipping systemd |
| 22:01.30 | mason | I think one of the preceding line's Devuans was intended... that |
| 22:01.38 | fsmithred | thousands of people disagreed with debian's choice |
| 22:01.53 | suavedandy | I know that the init question is still highly debated in Devuan forums. |
| 22:01.58 | suavedandy | *Debian |
| 22:02.00 | fsmithred | no it's not |
| 22:02.03 | fsmithred | not debated |
| 22:02.15 | gnarface | anyway, it wasn't that long ago either. go make me feel old with offtopic stuff in #devuan-offtopic |
| 22:02.23 | fsmithred | we get a little upset every time someone upstream drops the init scripts from a package |
| 22:02.38 | fsmithred | yeah, thanks gnarface |
| 22:02.44 | n4dir | well, as far it is me: not much point in discussing it. Debian uses systemd. If you don't want systemd, best is to use a different OS |
| 22:02.50 | suavedandy | I remember Debian devs discussing replacing systemd in their mailing list. |
| 22:02.55 | n4dir | it only leads to trouble discussing it. |
| 22:03.40 | n4dir | i replaced systemd with sysv, and that did work. But it really is kinda pointless. imho. |
| 22:05.09 | suavedandy | fsmithred made cool Refracta installer tho. Good compromise between the standard Debian installer and debootstrap, IMHO. |
| 22:05.21 | suavedandy | There's another reason to install Devuan. |
| 22:06.12 | suavedandy | It's more⦠willing to experiment, I think? |
| 22:06.25 | suavedandy | The guys are still adding more init systems. |
| 22:06.43 | fsmithred | OT |
| 22:06.51 | suavedandy | Sorry. |
| 22:07.06 | suavedandy | Damn, that happens sometimes. |
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| 22:29.03 | aitor_ | dconf-service now depends explicitly on a package named dbus-session-bus, and this is a virtual package pointing directly to dbus: |
| 22:29.05 | aitor_ | https://packages.debian.org/buster/dconf-service |
| 22:29.51 | aitor_ | this dependency didn't exist in stretch: |
| 22:29.52 | aitor_ | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/dconf-service |
| 22:30.50 | aitor_ | i removed it because i consider it superfluous |
| 22:32.25 | aitor_ | otherwise libgtk-3-dev wouldn't be installable without dbus |
| 22:33.37 | aitor_ | dconf-service is present in the package_list of fsmithred's nondbus iso image based on ascii, together with dconf-gsettings-backend |
| 22:34.34 | fsmithred | really? |
| 22:34.40 | aitor_ | yes |
| 22:34.49 | fsmithred | I did not remember and would have guessed otherwise. |
| 22:37.28 | aitor_ | the changelog says: Make dconf-service pull default-dbus-session-bus | dbus-session-bus, this way leaf packages don't have to add this explicitly (Closes: #849095) |
| 22:37.49 | aitor_ | dated on 15 Oct 2017 |
| 22:38.41 | aitor_ | it makes no sense |
| 22:40.04 | aitor_ | according to d/changelog, the changes related to dbus are previous to your building |
| 22:41.59 | aitor_ | fsmithred: i'm building a dbus mitigated repository, it might be interesting for your experimental images |
| 22:42.21 | fsmithred | upi |
| 22:42.23 | fsmithred | re |
| 22:42.24 | fsmithred | \ |
| 22:42.26 | fsmithred | fuck |
| 22:42.28 | fsmithred | sorry |
| 22:42.36 | fsmithred | you're removing dbus deps? |
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| 22:43.15 | aitor_ | yes, today i removed it from xorg and dconf-service; yesterday from the whole Gtk3 |
| 22:44.08 | aitor_ | i wonder how many projects have includet it by inertia |
| 22:45.05 | aitor_ | *included |
| 22:45.55 | fsmithred | let me know when the repo is ready. Maybe I'll make new nodbus isos with the extra repo. |
| 22:46.10 | aitor_ | ok, of course |
| 22:47.00 | aitor_ | bbl, i'm doing things :) |
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