| 00:13.32 | tuxd3v | in a week or 2 we will have next Linux LTS version 5.10.x |
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| 00:59.10 | tuxd3v | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/12/msg00001.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter |
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| 01:30.42 | mason | Hrm, didn't realize the next Debian was getting that close. Argh. |
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| 01:31.38 | mason | I guess the NetworkManager stuff is happening without a vast amount of time to spare. |
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| 01:32.45 | fsmithred | it's still pre-freeze, isn't it? |
| 01:53.07 | mason | Alpha from that post. |
| 01:53.39 | mason | I assume pre-freeze by a decent margin, but sure not generic testing still. |
| 02:16.20 | fsmithred | Not 'till spring. Here's a summary with links. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=148049 |
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| 02:19.07 | onefang | I guess you meant northern hemisphere spring. Always annoys us southern hemisphere people when seasons are used like that. |
| 02:19.55 | onefang | Spring was last week. I'm living in the future, just waiting for the rest of the world to catch up. B-) |
| 02:20.30 | fsmithred | sorry. Final freeze some time after march 12 |
| 02:20.46 | furrywolf | you're still stuck in spring? we're all the way to winter here. :P |
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| 02:38.52 | mason | onefang: We don't tend to plan things based on the southern hemisphere. I mean, it's only a matter of time before you guys fall off the bottom of the planet, from what I can see. |
| 02:52.21 | onefang | Leaving the planet is starting to sound like a good idea. |
| 02:52.44 | onefang | Think we are off topic, let alone off planet, right now though. |
| 02:53.13 | golinux | Indeed |
| 02:53.50 | mason | I wish there were a usable off-topic channel associated! I've gone through two now. |
| 02:54.01 | mason | But fair enough. |
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| 02:56.11 | pablocastellanos | Hi everybody! I'm trying to make new netinstall cds for buster (actually learning to do them). Until now, only achieved to modify it to use in serial port installations. My objective is to create an installer with the current buster (no old packages like the current netinstall) Any ideas how to proceed? |
| 02:56.45 | mason | Beowulf, FWIW. |
| 02:58.24 | pablocastellanos | Damn, it was confused. What I'm trying to do, is create a beowulf (thanks mason) that resembles debian 10.7 netinstall (our beowulf netinstall has the old kernel with security vulnerabilities) |
| 03:00.02 | fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/devuan/debian-installer |
| 03:00.38 | fsmithred | check the beowulf branches |
| 03:01.27 | fsmithred | there's also this: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/installer-iso |
| 03:01.53 | mason | pablocastellanos: FWIW, a common theme is to use Refracta or similar images and do a debootstrap install. Not quite the same, but it's usable today. |
| 03:02.07 | pablocastellanos | fsmithred: Nice! 20190702+deb10u6+devuan1 looks like 10.6 debian |
| 03:02.29 | fsmithred | we do have recent mini.iso |
| 03:02.36 | mason | That said, I've been sporadically poking at making a Devuanized minimal live CD as Debian's version is an awesome install/recovery platform. |
| 03:03.27 | fsmithred | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
| 03:03.30 | pablocastellanos | mason: My use case is installation of very small servers via serial port. But always downloads updates. I'm looking for a standard installation but with packages up to date inside the ISO image |
| 03:04.06 | pablocastellanos | fsmithred: A mini.iso is even better!!! |
| 03:04.19 | mason | pablocastellanos: Random thing to look at given what you're doing: https://wiki.debian.org/FAI |
| 03:04.36 | mason | I've not used it with Devuan, but most things can be adapted. |
| 03:04.38 | pablocastellanos | fsmithred: Usually I need to uninstall packages after installation. (console-setup for example) |
| 03:09.12 | pablocastellanos | fsmithred: Thanks for the information! |
| 03:09.48 | fsmithred | yw. have fun. good night. zzzzzz |
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| 03:17.51 | KREYREEN | heads-up: created https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/6265 tracking devuan support in QubesOS where i am interested in working on it depending on upstream response. ^-^ |
| 03:19.14 | pablocastellanos | KREYREEN: Yayy! |
| 03:19.59 | KREYREEN | may need help with it though.. seems that qubes expects it to be packaged with their software <https://deb.qubes-os.org/> |
| 03:20.02 | onefang | adds that link to the appropriate TODO. |
| 03:20.15 | KREYREEN | onefang, thanku ^-^ |
| 03:21.10 | onefang | Don't hold your breath though, I have waaay too many TODOs, and I'm waaay behind. lol |
| 03:21.36 | KREYREEN | I should be able to implement it myself they just have some weird build system for these though |
| 03:22.08 | KREYREEN | which seems as a malpractice interpretation x.x |
| 03:22.36 | KREYREEN | namely https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-builder-debian |
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| 07:43.19 | tuxd3v | 5.10-rc6 is already in Debian experimental |
| 07:43.55 | tuxd3v | once 5.10 be released in 1 or 2 weeks it will go into unstable :) |
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| 12:34.59 | shK403 | Greetings folks, is just freshly installed the 'dev-1' and can't get past a tty-console asking for the login. Since the installer gave me no option to create a (super)user-account, I wonder how the correct input for (root)access would be! Any ideas? ;-) |
| 12:36.51 | djph | if you didn't create root's password, you're probably expected to use sudo |
| 12:37.31 | shK403 | Just adding: since I just used another rEFInd distro which boots the kernel (I failed at creating proper bindings manually) is promps me to the terminal with login-question |
| 12:38.02 | shK403 | explicitly asking for a login and the password |
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| 12:44.35 | shK403 | djph: it's the very first login scenario where I'm missing knowledge about useful/working login credentials. I'm not even getting an expeted(?) graphical interface there..! I'm expecting a standard combination so far, eventho it seems wierd in a fresh-made OS-Installation! Any other ideas? no offense - I imagine you have not gotten my question right |
| 12:46.27 | djph | shK403: You mean you're getting tty1 and it's asking you for a username? |
| 12:46.40 | djph | shK403: have you tried the username you created during install? |
| 12:46.42 | shK403 | exact |
| 12:48.18 | shK403 | well guess you will ask me to reinstall, since I did not set any username( not knowing, only remeber the Computers name to be set up) |
| 12:48.52 | djph | so ... you didn't even go through the general user account setup steps? How'd it get as far as installing then? |
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| 12:50.44 | shK403 | netinstaller-got-me-there |
| 12:51.24 | djph | sounds like you were somehow able to skip a couple necessary steps |
| 12:53.54 | shK403 | well im specialized in finding bugs by using unecessarily complicated way of doing things - this time it was seemingly the smallest USB-stick to use getting me there..! lol gonna grab some Coffee and going to retry this somehow! ty so far |
| 13:15.22 | luser977 | tried root login?... |
| 13:20.47 | gnarface | shK403: it doesn't seem like you answered the question of whether you created a root password |
| 13:21.46 | gnarface | shK403: do you remember setting any passwords at all during the installation? |
| 13:22.12 | shK403 | so luser977 I tried roor without any pw, it didn't get me on |
| 13:22.12 | luser977 | reboot with init=/bin/sh in the kernel cli? |
| 13:22.52 | shK403 | gnarface: no I don't remember setting them up! |
| 13:23.03 | luser977 | what's the dfl pw on devuan live again? |
| 13:23.16 | gnarface | toor, i think |
| 13:23.16 | luser977 | toor? |
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| 13:23.23 | luser977 | yes |
| 13:23.31 | gnarface | shK403: if you didn't set any passwords you locked yourself out |
| 13:23.48 | luser977 | shK403: try root login w. pw toor |
| 13:24.00 | shK403 | root/toor didn't work neither, so gnarface must be right somehow i made an unusable install! |
| 13:24.17 | luser977 | then reboot with init= as above imo |
| 13:24.25 | gnarface | shK403: you can fix it fairly easily with the installer disk |
| 13:24.38 | gnarface | shK403: you can just boot into the installer again and re-do the steps you skipped |
| 13:24.55 | gnarface | shK403: assuming we're not talking about the live cd |
| 13:25.35 | gnarface | shK403: either set a root password this time, or create a non-root user you can su or sudo from |
| 13:25.42 | shK403 | alright, I'm about trying these two things! ...we're talkin' bout the netinstall usb thing |
| 13:26.17 | shK403 | thx so far, gonna reply after try |
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| 14:47.41 | shK403 | I managed to get the net-Installer sucessfully finished as the installers guidance was not getting aborted by my input, so I did'nt miss to create users again! thanx to all participants I got the nice devuvan distro running on an older IBM notebook, which combines lovely in together! |
| 15:00.11 | gast0n | hi, any idea how I can list the packages that I have installed ordered by the largest ones? |
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| 15:22.47 | fsmithred | gaston, make a package list: dpkg -l | awk '/ii/ { print $2 }' > list |
| 15:23.23 | fsmithred | Then sort by the "Installed size" line in the output of 'apt-cache show <package>' |
| 15:23.33 | fsmithred | which is a little more scripting than I have time for right now |
| 15:34.17 | onefang | My Beowulf desktop is now running Linux kernel 5.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64, now that it has been signed. |
| 15:34.43 | fsmithred | signed for secure boot? |
| 15:37.28 | onefang | I assume that's what it meant with the previous package name having "-unsigned" at the end. |
| 15:38.37 | fsmithred | bbl |
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| 15:42.24 | onefang | So there is linux-image-5.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64, and linux-image-5.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64-unsigned. Until recently the first one didn't exist. All the other kernel packages have -unsigned versions as well. |
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| 15:54.45 | dormito | for some reason partprobe and blockdev refuse to read/update/probe the partiton table of a loop device (or a /dev/mapper device). My rootfs is stored on a partition of this device. Is there a way to get a non-broke partiton probe in the initrd, or maybe to inject another binary? |
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| 15:56.27 | enyc | meows |
| 15:57.37 | gnarface | dormito: seems like you're missing a package |
| 15:58.47 | gnarface | not sure what, maybe eudev? or something related? |
| 15:58.58 | gnarface | i feel like i've seen this one before |
| 15:59.22 | gnarface | something is either not installed or not running that is supposed to do that, probably... |
| 16:00.58 | dormito | does partprobe use udev to inform the kernel of partition tables? I'd think that'd be just like an ioctl or something |
| 16:01.35 | dormito | pretty sure I have eudev installed, not sure if initramfs-tools is sticking it in the initrd though. |
| 16:03.57 | gnarface | oh hmmm |
| 16:04.45 | gnarface | does losetup work? |
| 16:05.11 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.29 | dormito | it works in that it sets up the loop device, but I think it's provide by busybox and missing the '-P' option (which includes a probe in the setup) |
| 16:15.22 | gnarface | oh, you're using busybox, not bash? i wonder if that's got something to do with it... |
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| 16:16.44 | dormito | I'm using the initrd that update-initramfs generated. |
| 16:17.24 | gnarface | i can't think of any specific examples right now, but i do recall busybox not doing anything i wanted it to do either |
| 16:18.32 | dormito | does initramfs-tools have a nice way to include other specific programs? or do I need to manually edit the initrd image to include both the program and it's lib dependancies? |
| 16:19.03 | gnarface | i don't know, did you look in /etc/initramfs-tools/ ? |
| 16:20.01 | gnarface | it looks extensible, but i don't know details |
| 16:20.13 | dormito | yes, nothing obvously stoodout in the config files. and I've not yet seen a description of the hooks or scripts dirs. Although I suspect neither will directly do what I want. |
| 16:22.04 | dormito | ahh found a man page that describes it |
| 16:22.35 | dormito | seems that the hooks (shell scripts), have a helper function, copy_exec which can be used to install binaries (and does dep resolution) |
| 16:23.17 | dormito | (which of course has the down side of pulling in glibc, but w/e) |
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| 18:34.16 | onefang | xscreensaver on my new Beowulf install on my new desktop doesn't turn off the monitors. |
| 18:34.54 | onefang | On a text console "setterm -blank 1" does turn off the monitors after the appropriate delay. |
| 18:36.38 | onefang | Back on openbox I run this - "while true; do xset dpms force off; sleep 30; done" The screen blanks for about 4 seconds, but doesn't turn off the monitors, then unblanks for the rest of the 30 second sleep. |
| 18:38.52 | fsmithred | good call, onefang. It doesn't work here, either. |
| 18:39.18 | fsmithred | Just tested it for the first time after using it all year. I use xfce4-power-manager to blank the screen. |
| 18:39.25 | onefang | xscreensaver with "Power Management Enabled" and "Quick Power-off in Blank Only Mode" both turned on, and "Blank Screen Only" selected, just blanks the screen, no monitor turn off. |
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| 18:39.48 | onefang | xfce4-power-manager works with openbox? |
| 18:39.49 | fsmithred | oh, here it didn't even blank the screen |
| 18:39.52 | fsmithred | nope |
| 18:39.56 | fsmithred | works with xfce |
| 18:40.14 | fsmithred | not sure what I use with openbox, but it does blank. But that's in ascii. |
| 18:40.35 | onefang | Worked fine in ASCII. |
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| 18:42.28 | onefang | http://openbox.org/wiki/Power_management suggest using xfce4-power-manager. lol |
| 18:42.44 | onefang | Or gnome-power-manager. |
| 18:42.49 | fsmithred | ok, I enabled power management and it now blanks the screen |
| 18:42.57 | fsmithred | huh |
| 18:43.14 | fsmithred | I didn't test if it powers off the screen |
| 18:43.34 | onefang | tries xfce4-power-manager |
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| 18:44.07 | fsmithred | I think the only reason I have xscreensaver running is so I can lock the screen when I go away |
| 18:47.12 | onefang | waits a few minutes to see what xfce4-power-manager will do. |
| 18:56.09 | onefang | It did sfa. lol |
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| 19:02.43 | tuxd3v | fsmithred, I used slimlock for that :) |
| 19:03.13 | fsmithred | tuxd3v, does that need slim to work? |
| 19:03.52 | tuxd3v | https://paste.debian.net/1175969/ |
| 19:04.05 | tuxd3v | at least it need to be installed |
| 19:04.25 | tuxd3v | then it has a config in /etc above ^^ |
| 19:05.22 | mcr | hey. This is a perhaps an ironic place to ask this: I'm working on some network namespace code. Works great on devuan. On ubuntu 20... systemd-logind loses it's mind. I'm looking for some consulting on this. |
| 19:07.51 | onefang | gnome-power-manager isn't helping either. |
| 19:08.16 | fsmithred | but xfce does work? |
| 19:08.31 | fsmithred | mcr, use devuan! |
| 19:08.55 | fsmithred | you know about the change in interface names? |
| 19:09.16 | onefang | I configured xfce4-power-manager to blank after one minute, suspend after two, and turn off the monitors after three. It did none of that. |
| 19:09.42 | fsmithred | eudev uses the old names. If you need new names in devuan, use net.ifnames=1 on boot command. If you want old names with systemd-udev, use net.ifnames=0 on boot command. |
| 19:10.17 | fsmithred | and you added it to the autostart file? (just checking) |
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| 19:29.00 | onefang | gives up and goes back to xscreensaver for locking and setterm -blank 1 for turning off monitors. |
| 19:31.02 | mason | onefang: Yeah, I find too many things that wake up my screens when xscreensaver puts them to sleep. |
| 19:32.13 | onefang | So that's three things I have had to give up on with Beowulf. Getting desktop Signal to relink with my phone, Psi and Psi+ simply not logging on, and this. |
| 19:33.05 | onefang | I tried that "use spectacles" thing with Signal, it just tried to re-autofocus and failed as usual again. |
| 19:34.19 | mason | onefang: FWIW, I've had this same issue with DPMS on all of Devuan, Debian, and Ubuntu, so it's not unique to Beowulf. |
| 19:34.26 | mason | All on the same hardware. |
| 19:34.44 | onefang | It works fine on this desktop on Mint. |
| 19:35.06 | mason | Oh, interesting. Be useful to see what they do differently. I suspect it's not actually related to xscreensaver. |
| 19:35.08 | onefang | But I want to use Devuan. |
| 19:35.13 | mason | Sure. |
| 19:37.25 | onefang | Alas I can't try it on ASCII, the bleeding edge video card wont go into graphics mode, coz kernel is too old. I even have to use a backported kernel for Beowulf. |
| 19:39.14 | onefang | Time to step away for a bit. |
| 19:43.28 | tuxd3v | onefang, what is your card? |
| 19:43.32 | tuxd3v | amd? |
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| 19:49.27 | tuxd3v | 5.9.12 fixes problems with rx 6800 |
| 19:54.26 | mason | tuxd3v: That's why I hate having some drivers upstreamed. You can't have fixes unless you chase the bleeding edge. Might be worth a bug asking Debian to backport the fix. |
| 19:56.14 | tuxd3v | mason, that is true, and the distros take long time to backport newer kernels, obligating yourself to self build a kernel :/ |
| 19:57.16 | tuxd3v | I hope debian does, because kernel 5.10 will take some time to be availlable |
| 19:57.50 | tuxd3v | in less than a month will be almost for sure in unstable |
| 19:58.06 | tuxd3v | but majority of people are not there.. |
| 19:58.06 | mason | I suspect that if BtrFS were maintained outside of the kernel.org tree it'd have caught up to ZFS for stability by now. |
| 20:03.17 | menace__ | there's still bcachefs at some point of time :D |
| 20:04.19 | onefang | Radeon RX 5600 XT BE is my graphics card. |
| 20:05.28 | onefang | 5.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 is the latest kernel in Beowulf backports. |
| 20:05.59 | onefang | Which I installed yesterday. |
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| 21:26.06 | tuxd3v | onefang, I didin't updated in a while and is true, I checkd now and its availlable 5.9 |
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| 22:02.03 | tuxd3v | onefang, I hope they bring 5.9.12 or above, since it also fixs rx 6800 series ,in near future.. |
| 22:02.39 | tuxd3v | and this cards only work with amdgpu, so we don't even have the option for RadeonSI mesa driver :) |
| 22:03.20 | tuxd3v | a split O.o |
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| 23:46.25 | Xenguy | Looks like Debian released a point release today. |