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| 01:01.58 | sgage | Hello? Is anybody home? |
| 01:03.48 | stiltr | sgage: You'll usually have better luck just asking your question. |
| 01:04.58 | qaluH | that bot |
| 01:07.13 | stiltr | Ah |
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| 01:10.09 | sgage | I didn't have a question - I was just wondering if the channel was broken. |
| 01:10.57 | sgage | I haven't seen any activity on it all day. |
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| 01:12.16 | stiltr | Oh, yeah. Some days are like that. |
| 01:17.19 | sgage | I'd never seen it so quiet before, in years of experience, except if something was broken. |
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| 01:17.51 | sgage | Glad to see it's not. Everyone's Devuan is working perfectly, so no need for questions :-) |
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| 01:25.12 | stiltr | That must be it! :) |
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| 02:01.34 | Xenguy | *nix was kind of designed that way too: 'no news is good news' |
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| 07:36.02 | clort | that's it for me |
| 07:36.40 | clort | we could each run a once a day 'my devuan's still not broken' paste in the channel |
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| 10:02.03 | timkenhan | so i noticed we're at python3.9 now. anyone else think it's moving too fast? |
| 10:10.28 | Joril | I do, but I fear this is OT here :D |
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| 10:42.07 | ShorTie | i'd say, it's at what ever Debian has it at |
| 10:42.25 | ShorTie | maybe go talk to them about it |
| 10:43.13 | ShorTie | not trying to be smart at all |
| 10:44.44 | ShorTie | but in reality, Devuan has very few packages |
| 10:47.19 | ShorTie | basically, any thing Debuan has systemd required is rebuilt without systemd |
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| 14:03.59 | suavedandy | So I wanted to insert my encrypted partition's UUID and found this command: "sed -i '/GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=/s/"$/ rd.auto=1 cryptdevice=UUID=135f3c06-26a0-437f-a05e-287b036440a4:lvm&/'" |
| 14:04.51 | suavedandy | How do you pass UUID as a variable to this command instead of writing this gibberish that's hard to read. |
| 14:04.55 | suavedandy | ? |
| 14:07.37 | suavedandy | Because there are some anchors like $ that sed reads and when you use double quotes that $ is read as a variable sign. |
| 14:07.56 | suavedandy | And I fear that this will mess up everything. |
| 14:13.45 | fsmithred | the dollar sign tells sed to replace the final double quote with the string of options. Not sure, but I think it's missing a final quote. |
| 14:14.23 | fsmithred | instead of using sed you could edit the file with a text editor |
| 14:15.27 | fsmithred | if you can't copy/paste it, you only need to type it once. |
| 14:16.11 | suavedandy | fsmithred: How exactly am I supposed to copy it to Nano? |
| 14:16.25 | suavedandy | Is there an option or something? |
| 14:16.37 | suavedandy | Hm, maybe there is. Let me check⦠|
| 14:16.47 | fsmithred | if you're in a terminal in a graphical environment, copy/paste works |
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| 14:17.19 | fsmithred | rd.auto=1 cryptdevice=UUID=135f3c06-26a0-437f-a05e-287b036440a4:lvm |
| 14:17.30 | fsmithred | is that correct for the options? |
| 14:18.18 | suavedandy | Nnnope. |
| 14:18.32 | fsmithred | where does the :lvm come from? |
| 14:18.46 | suavedandy | Xorg? Nope, I don't have Xorg. |
| 14:19.03 | suavedandy | Ah, it's just a name of the device. |
| 14:19.07 | fsmithred | what's not correct? |
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| 14:19.31 | fsmithred | you're just trying to add some boot options to /etc/default/grub, right? |
| 14:19.38 | suavedandy | Yeah. |
| 14:19.47 | suavedandy | I want to boot from LUKS. |
| 14:19.53 | fsmithred | so just edit the file to add what you need and run update-grub |
| 14:21.05 | suavedandy | fsmithred: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13799789/expansion-of-variables-inside-single-quotes-in-a-command-in-bash |
| 14:21.24 | suavedandy | '"$variable"' |
| 14:21.59 | fsmithred | yeah, I've done: sed -i "s/something/$variable/" |
| 14:21.59 | suavedandy | I'm a cool hackerman now. |
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| 14:22.17 | fsmithred | you have to use double-quotes around the sed expression |
| 14:22.24 | fsmithred | why do you need to use sed? |
| 14:22.29 | fsmithred | either way, you have to type it all |
| 14:22.36 | fsmithred | actually more with the sed command |
| 14:22.38 | suavedandy | Double quotes aren't safe 'cause meta-characters. |
| 14:23.01 | suavedandy | sed's quick at times when you know how to use it. |
| 14:23.12 | suavedandy | And typing UUID by hand isn't safe. |
| 14:23.24 | fsmithred | you still have to type it by hand for sed |
| 14:23.43 | suavedandy | As I said, '"$variable"' |
| 14:23.46 | fsmithred | oh, I get it. You want to make |
| 14:23.47 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 14:23.55 | fsmithred | have fun solving it. |
| 14:23.59 | suavedandy | I'm a hacker guy. |
| 14:24.08 | fsmithred | I'm a 'get it done' guy |
| 14:24.41 | suavedandy | Retrowave starts playing |
| 14:25.12 | miskatonic | fsmr has hacked together stuff like refracta, so he is even more of a hacker guy |
| 14:25.25 | r3boot | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQGbXmkSArs :] |
| 14:25.38 | fsmithred | shhh |
| 14:26.01 | fsmithred | Kick it around 'till it does what you want. |
| 14:26.05 | fsmithred | you may quote me on that |
| 14:26.46 | onefang | And if your feet get sore, use a sledjhamr. |
| 14:26.54 | fsmithred | lol |
| 14:27.17 | fsmithred | I use one to install packages |
| 14:28.05 | miskatonic | dragonflybsd uses a filesystem called Hammer... or similar. |
| 14:30.04 | fsmithred | suavedandy, is this btrfs or ext? |
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| 14:30.35 | suavedandy | BtrFS. |
| 14:30.48 | fsmithred | ok, I guess mine is too different |
| 14:31.17 | fsmithred | encrypted lvm with separate /boot, only boot option is "quiet" |
| 14:31.32 | miskatonic | xfs is weirder... and some people even use zfs with linux |
| 14:31.35 | fsmithred | not btrfs |
| 14:32.07 | fsmithred | yes, I think there's a zfs howto (or two) on the forum |
| 14:32.12 | suavedandy | fsmithred: It was an example. |
| 14:32.29 | suavedandy | I have BtrFS on LUKS. |
| 14:32.37 | suavedandy | Not LVM LUKS. |
| 14:32.40 | fsmithred | oh |
| 14:32.42 | suavedandy | That's redundant. |
| 14:32.48 | fsmithred | yeah, you're right |
| 14:32.54 | suavedandy | You can replace lvm with whatever. |
| 14:33.07 | suavedandy | Like cryptroot or somethin'. |
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| 14:34.09 | suavedandy | Don't you, like, have LUKS setup in your script? I thought you know that already. |
| 14:34.37 | fsmithred | know what already? |
| 14:34.51 | suavedandy | How you configure GRUB. |
| 14:35.06 | fsmithred | yeah, I don't do anything special for luks in grub |
| 14:35.33 | fsmithred | crypttab has stuff in it, and yeah refractainstaller handles that |
| 14:36.26 | suavedandy | Did you configure LUKS differently? I thought you have to edit GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT. |
| 14:37.00 | fsmithred | mine just has "quiet" which I forgot to remove. |
| 14:37.44 | suavedandy | Is quiet even needed? |
| 14:37.57 | fsmithred | crypttab has: mapper-name UUID=uuid... none luks |
| 14:38.02 | mason | suavedandy: I like removing it. If I'm going to see some messages, might as well see them all. |
| 14:38.07 | fsmithred | same here |
| 14:38.21 | fsmithred | I think it does suppress system messages on the console |
| 14:38.43 | fsmithred | seem to recall reading that somewhere |
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| 14:40.53 | suavedandy | Well, in the end of the topic you send ( https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3258 ) the guy read that you need to edit GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT along with the crypttab. |
| 14:41.05 | suavedandy | So I thought. |
| 14:41.21 | suavedandy | I did enter the UUID to the crypttab. |
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| 14:42.50 | suavedandy | "cryptdata UUID=<UUID> none luks" |
| 14:44.10 | fsmithred | and update-grub does not put the right stuff in grub.cfg? |
| 14:44.12 | suavedandy | He also said you need to set CRYPTSETUP=y in /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook |
| 14:44.20 | fsmithred | yes |
| 14:44.26 | suavedandy | Well, I dunno. |
| 14:44.46 | fsmithred | no |
| 14:44.49 | fsmithred | not anymore |
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| 14:45.47 | suavedandy | Well, the previous time when I proceed with GRUB installation without tinkering with /etc/default/grub it says ENABLE_CRYPTODISK isn't enabled. |
| 14:46.26 | suavedandy | Did I just need to enable it and not change anything else? |
| 14:47.15 | fsmithred | you don't have a separate /boot partition? Then you do need a line in default/grub |
| 14:47.41 | suavedandy | No, I don't. /boot is on the encrypted partition. |
| 14:47.55 | fsmithred | echo -e "\nGRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y\n" >> /target/etc/default/grub |
| 14:48.06 | fsmithred | from the installer |
| 14:48.06 | suavedandy | That's it? |
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| 14:48.25 | fsmithred | GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y |
| 14:48.51 | suavedandy | I've just wasted my time on that sed command. |
| 14:48.52 | fsmithred | then grub knows to unlock the luks volume to find what else it needs |
| 14:49.08 | fsmithred | you obviously wanted to understand about quoting variables in sed |
| 14:49.25 | fsmithred | otherwise you would have done it the quick way and be onto something else by now |
| 14:50.35 | suavedandy | Actually, I just wanted to insert that UUID in there. |
| 14:51.00 | suavedandy | That too but it was a secondary goal. |
| 14:51.14 | fsmithred | I don't think you need to, but I could be wrong. Maybe btrfs needs something different. |
| 14:51.48 | fsmithred | but if luks is the lowest layer, telling grub to use cryptodisk is probably enough |
| 14:51.51 | suavedandy | Because, well, I'm tired to type UUIDs all the time. My vision sucks and making sure that every character is correct is hard. |
| 14:52.08 | suavedandy | Ah. |
| 14:52.12 | suavedandy | Thanks. |
| 14:52.23 | suavedandy | I shall not waste my time any longer then. |
| 14:52.45 | fsmithred | let us know how it works out |
| 14:53.36 | suavedandy | And it's good that you told me that CRYPTSETUP=y isn't needed. I went back and noticed that I haven't put "y" to the variable. |
| 14:53.47 | suavedandy | That would've been a disaster. |
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| 14:58.45 | suavedandy | Well, GRUB's installed. GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT still only has quiet. |
| 15:01.07 | suavedandy | I have a question, fsmithred. When installing Debian on encrypted partition with a standard method the installer adds the discard option to /etc/crypttab. Is it continuous TRIM? |
| 15:04.02 | mason | suavedandy: It means TRIM is passed through. It doesn't speak to the schedule or style. |
| 15:05.07 | suavedandy | Ah. And if I change the crypttab do the changes apply after a reboot? |
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| 15:06.48 | suavedandy | "error: compression type 0x3 not supported" |
| 15:08.13 | suavedandy | Maybe I needed to upgrade stuff⦠|
| 15:08.30 | mason | suavedandy: I've not followed this closely, but GRUB might not be happy with newer LUKS. |
| 15:08.47 | mason | suavedandy: I tend to avoid this entirely by having my /boot unencrypted. |
| 15:10.18 | fsmithred | mason you're right. If /boot is part of the encrypted partition, it has to be luks type1 |
| 15:15.19 | suavedandy | Well, when I formated, I set --type to luks1. |
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| 15:26.29 | fsmithred | that's correct |
| 15:26.54 | suavedandy | Oh, shit. Here we go again. http://imgur.com/a/0HHLDA2 |
| 15:27.27 | fsmithred | adding CRYPTSETUP=y would not be a disaster |
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| 15:27.51 | fsmithred | I think you only need that to force cryptsetup into the initramfs when the system is not encrypted |
| 15:28.11 | fsmithred | pretty sure it's automatic now if cryptsetup-initramfs is installed |
| 15:29.18 | fsmithred | suavedandy, are you doing this in chroot? |
| 15:29.26 | suavedandy | Yes. |
| 15:29.39 | suavedandy | OH, SH-- |
| 15:29.39 | fsmithred | you need to bind-moun proc dev and sys |
| 15:29.47 | fsmithred | mount |
| 15:29.53 | suavedandy | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-- |
| 15:30.05 | onefang | Oopsie? |
| 15:30.15 | suavedandy | I did an oopsie. |
| 15:30.17 | fsmithred | don't feel bad, I always try to reboot from a chroot |
| 15:30.57 | suavedandy | Do I⦠upgrade again or⦠reinstall? |
| 15:31.09 | fsmithred | what? |
| 15:31.20 | suavedandy | After the upgrade crashed. |
| 15:31.34 | fsmithred | that was update-initramfs |
| 15:31.46 | fsmithred | you need to run it again after you create the missing directories |
| 15:31.48 | fsmithred | not create |
| 15:31.53 | fsmithred | mount them from the real system |
| 15:32.06 | fsmithred | mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys |
| 15:32.19 | fsmithred | assuming you're going to chroot whatever is mounted at /mnt |
| 15:32.29 | fsmithred | do same with /proc and /sys |
| 15:32.32 | suavedandy | You think the system is fine? |
| 15:32.39 | fsmithred | then chroot /mnt and run update-initramfs again |
| 15:32.58 | fsmithred | you have to bind-mount sys proc dev to the chroot if you want to do certain tasks |
| 15:33.09 | fsmithred | like grub-install or update-initramfs |
| 15:33.39 | fsmithred | "Can't open /proc/mounts. No such file or directory." |
| 15:33.50 | suavedandy | I understand. |
| 15:33.56 | fsmithred | cool |
| 15:34.22 | fsmithred | you might need to do |
| 15:34.34 | fsmithred | CRYPTSETUP=y update-initramfs -u |
| 15:35.08 | suavedandy | I mean, I know that you need to bind proc, dev and sys |
| 15:35.14 | suavedandy | I just forgot. |
| 15:35.19 | suavedandy | As always. |
| 15:35.38 | onefang | That's what scripts are for. |
| 15:35.40 | fsmithred | yeah, so I think everything should still be ok. Just repeat it. |
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| 15:43.02 | suavedandy | Still. Compression not supported. |
| 15:43.54 | suavedandy | I did format in the LUKS1 format, I swear. |
| 15:44.20 | suavedandy | Can it be the zstd compression? |
| 15:44.31 | fsmithred | what |
| 15:44.33 | fsmithred | s |
| 15:44.36 | fsmithred | that? |
| 15:44.41 | fsmithred | or where is that? |
| 15:44.54 | suavedandy | On my encrypted partition. |
| 15:45.09 | suavedandy | I installed Devuan with zstd compression. |
| 15:45.35 | suavedandy | mount -o subvol=@,compress=zstd |
| 15:46.05 | fsmithred | I'm confused. You encrypted twice? |
| 15:46.11 | suavedandy | No. |
| 15:46.25 | fsmithred | I thought the whole thing was on a luks partition |
| 15:46.33 | fsmithred | i.e. btrfs is inside luks |
| 15:46.34 | suavedandy | Compression does not equal encryption. |
| 15:46.36 | fsmithred | oh |
| 15:46.38 | fsmithred | duh |
| 15:46.44 | fsmithred | sorry, I'm not fully awake today |
| 15:47.00 | suavedandy | BtrFS is inside LUKS and has zstd compression. |
| 15:47.09 | fsmithred | maybe you need to have /boot as a separate un-compressed subvolume |
| 15:47.19 | fsmithred | just a guess |
| 15:47.43 | suavedandy | You think so? |
| 15:47.47 | fsmithred | or find out if there's a way to tell grub to use zstd |
| 15:49.01 | suavedandy | According to a topic on Arch's forums, it seems to only affect the zstd compression. The lzo compression works fine. |
| 15:49.30 | suavedandy | "I rebooted and I found grub rescue because grub didn't goes with compress level 3." |
| 15:50.26 | suavedandy | Perhaps GRUB's too old on Devuan. |
| 15:50.31 | suavedandy | Big oof. |
| 15:50.36 | fsmithred | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GRUB-Btrfs-Zstd-Support |
| 15:50.41 | fsmithred | I didn't read it |
| 15:51.25 | fsmithred | 2018 should be in debian/devuan somewhere |
| 15:51.52 | suavedandy | Will try with lzo then. |
| 15:54.02 | suavedandy | fsmithred: Don't forget that I'm on Buster. Some packages can get pretty old there. |
| 15:54.03 | fsmithred | beowulf has grub 2.02, chimaera has grub 2.04 which is probably new enough for zstd |
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| 15:54.19 | suavedandy | *Beowulf |
| 15:54.25 | fsmithred | yeah, same |
| 15:54.44 | suavedandy | lzo it is then. |
| 15:55.33 | suavedandy | As I remember, it is for "Lempell-Zev-Something." |
| 15:56.31 | suavedandy | I don't remember the guy with his last name starting with "O." |
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| 16:00.46 | suavedandy | fsmithred: Now I'm thinking. If there's automatic compression, what happens when you share 7-ZIP files between PCs? After all, it's compression within compression. |
| 16:08.37 | fsmithred | compressing compressed stuff doesn't make it much smaller, and I think it sometimes can make it bigger. |
| 16:09.08 | fsmithred | gzip an mp3 file won't give you much |
| 16:10.45 | suavedandy | I'm just thinking how it affects transmitting files between the computer with compression and computer with no compression. |
| 16:11.11 | suavedandy | Is the file uncompressed first? |
| 16:13.04 | fsmithred | yeah, if the compression is at the level of the filesystem, then it gets uncompressed when you boot up |
| 16:13.27 | fsmithred | no, maybe that's wrong |
| 16:13.34 | fsmithred | I'm thinking of encryption again |
| 16:13.45 | fsmithred | gonna go move firewood. I'm good for that right now. |
| 16:13.49 | fsmithred | bbl. |
| 16:14.07 | suavedandy | "Accessing a byte in the middle of the given 128 KiB range requires to decompress the whole range." |
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| 17:28.03 | suavedandy | How often do backports get upgrades? |
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| 18:54.40 | suavedandy | fsmithred: I have both grub-common, grub-efi and grub2-common installed. Which of these are unnecessary? |
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| 19:24.44 | fsmithred | suavedandy, if you are booting uefi, you need grub-efi-amd64 and grub-efi-amd64-bin. The -common packages will be automatically installed. Don't fight with it. |
| 19:26.18 | fsmithred | if you are booting with secure boot, you need grub-efi-amd64-signed |
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| 19:36.12 | suavedandy | You can use secure boot? |
| 19:36.54 | suavedandy | The more you know⦠|
| 19:38.08 | suavedandy | https://youtu.be/Zmvt7yFTtt8 |
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| 19:54.48 | eyalroz | Hello Devuaners, |
| 19:55.11 | eyalroz | where does one get installation images of Devuan Chimaera? |
| 19:55.25 | eyalroz | They don't seem to be available on the mirrors, e.g.: |
| 19:55.25 | eyalroz | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/ |
| 19:59.50 | mason | eyalroz: Typically you don't install testing directly, you upgrade from the latest stable. |
| 20:00.04 | mason | Doesn't mean someone can't make an install image, of course. |
| 20:01.19 | brocashelm | eyalroz: i know fsmithred hosts a few experimental refracta (devuan-based) chimaera images |
| 20:01.40 | brocashelm | https://get.refracta.org/files/testing/ |
| 20:01.49 | brocashelm | use at your own risk |
| 20:02.56 | brocashelm | i like refracta better as far as ootb goes. ticks most of the right boxes for a starting debian install |
| 20:06.01 | fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental is much more interesting |
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| 20:27.16 | eyalroz | @mason: Why don't I install testing directly? |
| 20:27.55 | fsmithred | how? |
| 20:28.09 | fsmithred | debootstrap is probably the only way right now |
| 20:28.27 | fsmithred | well, other than my experimental chimaera isos |
| 20:28.27 | eyalroz | I think Debian offers installer images of bullseye: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:28.37 | fsmithred | those have openbox, lxpanel and lxterminal |
| 20:29.13 | fsmithred | yeah, I would advise against installing debian and then migrating to devuan |
| 20:29.28 | eyalroz | fsmithred: That's not what I meant... |
| 20:29.33 | fsmithred | especially since we don't have a guide for it yet, which means you would be the trailblazer |
| 20:29.39 | fsmithred | oh |
| 20:29.41 | eyalroz | I mean that if Debian offers images of its testing, why shouldn't we offer the same? |
| 20:29.43 | miskatonic | no one makes a ratpoison iso, so I always have to do everything by hand |
| 20:29.50 | fsmithred | I agree we should |
| 20:30.08 | fsmithred | and maybe we will after we get the beowulf point-release out, which should be any week now. |
| 20:30.12 | eyalroz | (sorry for using the first person plural, I'm not really part of the project) |
| 20:30.22 | fsmithred | you're part of the community |
| 20:30.30 | eyalroz | grins |
| 20:31.05 | fsmithred | ratpoison? |
| 20:31.17 | fsmithred | WarfarinOS? |
| 20:31.26 | miskatonic | ratpoison the window manager |
| 20:31.57 | fsmithred | is there a file manager that goes with it? |
| 20:32.10 | fsmithred | trying to remember a name |
| 20:32.47 | fsmithred | oh, I'm thinking of rox, not rat |
| 20:32.59 | miskatonic | true ratpoisoners use a terminal file manager or unix command line utilities |
| 20:33.25 | fsmithred | meeting time. bye. |
| 20:36.40 | brocashelm | i agree with officially distributing non-lts builds. i've already been using ceres for a lot longer than beowulf and ascii combined |
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| 21:25.52 | eyalroz | fsmithred: When you create such an image, then, in addition to publishing it on the website, please also post an answer here: |
| 21:25.52 | eyalroz | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/523157/ |
| 21:26.25 | eyalroz | On a related note... |
| 21:26.44 | eyalroz | How safe is it, at the moment, to dist-upgrade from beowulf into chimaera? |
| 21:28.19 | fsmithred | eyalroz, I upgraded refracta beowulf to chimaera a few times, pretty easily. That's xfce without metapackages. |
| 21:28.56 | eyalroz | ... what would you predict for Cinnamon? |
| 21:29.08 | fsmithred | don't know |
| 21:29.44 | fsmithred | I won't open an account at stackexchange, but I can announce on dng mailing list and forum and here |
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| 21:30.28 | fsmithred | or email me in a few weeks and ask me about it |
| 21:30.29 | eyalroz | good enough. |
| 21:30.52 | eyalroz | On an unrelated note - a couple of points about Devuan financies |
| 21:30.58 | eyalroz | 1. There's a typo in the FY 2019 financial report. dyne.org is a "stichting", not a "stitching". |
| 21:31.58 | clort | what is a stichting |
| 21:31.59 | eyalroz | 2. How is the project doing financially this year? I see the FY 2019 report which suggests quite a bit of money has been amassed. Has the same trend (of slow increase in funds) continued? |
| 21:32.11 | eyalroz | clort: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stichting |
| 21:32.30 | fsmithred | last I heard we still have a lot of money |
| 21:32.44 | fsmithred | a lot for us |
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| 21:34.12 | eyalroz | In that case, maybe some money could be spent on some kind of promotional efforts. I was specifically wondering if there were T-shirts or large posters one could get. |
| 21:34.44 | eyalroz | (that might not even need to be a money-loser, it could be an at-cost kind of a thing) |
| 21:35.44 | eyalroz | I realize right now is perhaps not the best time for T-shirts - since it's winter and there's covid-19 - but next year, if things improve |
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| 21:38.20 | onefang | It's only winter on half the planet. |
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| 21:39.03 | suavedandy | fsmithred: Is GRUB backported? |
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| 21:41.00 | fsmithred | suavedandy, I don't know. |
| 21:41.13 | suavedandy | Damn. |
| 21:41.47 | fsmithred | no grub-efi-amd64 in beowulf-backports |
| 21:42.10 | suavedandy | Well, that sucks. Now I have to do it all over again. |
| 21:42.25 | suavedandy | is severely upset |
| 21:43.39 | debdog | eyalroz: there is some merch https://shop.spreadshirt.net/devuan |
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| 21:49.11 | suavedandy | Goddamnit. No purple. |
| 21:49.28 | suavedandy | I want to paint myself in the forum's color scheme. |
| 21:49.44 | suavedandy | It just looks so right. |
| 21:53.04 | suavedandy | Do the devs get any money from this? |
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| 21:54.46 | eyalroz | @debdog: Those are ok, but they do basically nothing to attract the attention of people who don't already know what Devuan is. |
| 21:56.35 | eyalroz | ... but they are also extremely expensive. 20 EUR for a T-shirt, delivery not included? |
| 21:57.17 | eyalroz | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32915356430.html |
| 21:57.40 | eyalroz | ~10.5 USD + 1.5 USD shipping to where I live |
| 21:57.47 | eyalroz | (that's for Arch Linux) |
| 21:58.14 | eyalroz | Oh... Devuan face masks :-) |
| 21:58.21 | eyalroz | that's a thought for ya. |
| 21:59.20 | debdog | that's too political |
| 22:02.55 | suavedandy | Kinda agree, for $20 it's not particularly fancy. |
| 22:03.12 | suavedandy | You can get something like this for $15. https://www.levelupoutfitters.com/products/pirates-gold |
| 22:08.57 | suavedandy | It's not just a logo. There's, like, a girl sitting on top of a huge pile of coins, a bunch of dudes lying on the ground. Like, really detailed stuff. Especially for a T-shirt. |
| 22:09.21 | suavedandy | $15. |
| 22:09.40 | suavedandy | Just saying. |
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| 22:14.37 | suavedandy | It's also purple. |
| 22:15.54 | fsmithred | eyalroz, suavedandy, you can also download the devuan logo and print your own iron-on for any T-shirt, mask, underwear, whatever... |
| 22:15.57 | fsmithred | https://www.devuan.org/ui/img/devuan-logo_tm_600dpi.png |
| 22:17.17 | eyalroz | Yeah, that doesn't look that great. But the point is - it should be some slogan and graphic which emphasizes the point of Devuan (at least the generic "Software freedom your way", and hopefully better and more expressive) |
| 22:18.40 | fsmithred | the T-shirts from the conference were nice. I don't know if there are any left. If so, they are probably at the dyne.org office in Amsterdam |
| 22:20.41 | fsmithred | it was a smaller devuan logo on the left upper chest and a big swoosh on the back. White on black shirt. |
| 22:21.12 | suavedandy | If only I could print T-shirts. |
| 22:22.03 | fsmithred | you can print iron-on decals |
| 22:22.16 | fsmithred | I think any inkjet printer will do it |
| 22:22.54 | miskatonic | do inkjets work with non-proprietary drivers? |
| 22:23.00 | suavedandy | Kek, you can probably take the first picture of the Shantae T-shirt design, put it into waifu2x to increase the detalization, make the BG transparent in Photoshop and print it out. |
| 22:23.24 | suavedandy | That would prob be hella mean but hey, you can do that. |
| 22:24.00 | suavedandy | Any inkjet printer⦠except the black-and-white ones. |
| 22:24.12 | suavedandy | Because I only have this. |
| 22:24.33 | suavedandy | Yes, I'm poor and this is my old school printer. |
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| 22:25.21 | miskatonic | why do colour inkjets work without proprietary drivers, whereas bw ones do not? |
| 22:25.42 | suavedandy | I don't think it even prints properly now. It groans like an old man. |
| 22:26.05 | fsmithred | using a 25 year old laser printer here. |
| 22:26.19 | fsmithred | I don't know about inkjets. |
| 22:26.31 | suavedandy | miskatonic: Maybe because they're old and aren't manufactured anymore. |
| 22:27.50 | suavedandy | Also, the older the hardware, the less likely the Linux kernel supports it. Because there's a lot of that stuff. |
| 22:29.13 | suavedandy | And more companies are using OSS nowadays. In the 80's noone even knew what the hell open-source is. |
| 22:29.56 | golinux | Please take to offtopic. Not a devuan support question anymore |
| 22:30.08 | clort | got to have those serial numbers in the microdots :P |
| 22:30.16 | suavedandy | :| |
| 22:30.33 | qaluH | intall a old one? lol |
| 22:30.46 | qaluH | safer u cant be |
| 22:36.26 | suavedandy | Damn it. It's night again. Need to finish with the installation, quick. |
| 22:36.45 | suavedandy | Goddamn, goddamn, goddamn. |
| 22:42.46 | suavedandy | I'll never get a normal sleeping habit. ;( |
| 22:46.48 | qaluH | im done, just believe, i could believe it too that im getting my shit done today |
| 22:47.02 | qaluH | *not |
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| 23:48.07 | suavedandy | What is asynchronous discard? |
| 23:48.22 | suavedandy | Is it continuous discard or� |
| 23:48.43 | suavedandy | I mean, continuous TRIM. |
| 23:51.02 | gnarface | i think the discard mount option enables continuous TRIM, yes, correct |
| 23:51.23 | gnarface | according to my sources though, whether it is synchronous or asynchronous TRIM is a hardware thing |
| 23:51.35 | gnarface | some brands do one, some brands do another |
| 23:51.52 | gnarface | different performance impacts for both |
| 23:52.11 | gnarface | the generally accepted advice i've heard though in either case is not to use it |
| 23:52.59 | gnarface | and to cron fstrim instead |
| 23:54.17 | gnarface | i think that the less that gets written to the disk the less it matters though too |
| 23:55.12 | gnarface | (the advice not to use discard is based on both the higher load impact and the higher wear impact) |
| 23:56.56 | suavedandy | "â¦we did not add discard to the crypttab. This is due to the fact that Btrfs async discard support is quite new, but [Ubuntu] 20.04 still runs kernel 5.4â¦" |
