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| 05:12.39 | landley | If I wanted to do an sh4 port of devuan, where would I start? |
| 05:13.12 | landley | Hmmm, really two questions. 1) If I wanted to do a musl-libc port of devuan, where would I start, 2) sh4. |
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| 08:01.37 | unixbsd | hello |
| 08:01.45 | unixbsd | I try to install with installer. |
| 08:01.58 | unixbsd | Installing grub boot loader [NO]! |
| 08:02.22 | unixbsd | Answer from devuan instlaler: "Installing Grub Boot Loader", please make sure that it works. |
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| 14:49.53 | KREYREEN | Referencing https://qubes-os.discourse.group/t/r4-1-x86-64-debian-pv-qube-is-unable-to-use-dgpu-provided-on-pci-00-00-0-through-radeon-on-20089-lenovo-g770/1731 help appreciated.. it's debian-11 running in QubesOS that seems to have userland issue to not use the radeon GPU >.> |
| 14:50.41 | KREYREEN | (debian didn't help x.x) |
| 14:51.30 | danuan | after running update-rc.d , got a load of errors , tracked it down 22 /etc/init.d/ scripts had a filesize of 0 . tracing logs , only thing i found was that server was rebooted earlier in the day . and no reboots after that event |
| 14:53.14 | danuan | plus everything was running so zerooingg did not happend during reboot , as none of those services would have been running , something did it while system was up. and doing a find by date and zero size revealed that /etc/init.d was only one affected |
| 14:56.41 | KREYREEN | danuan, my first guess would be hardware-induced data loss.. did you check the S.M.A.R.T. ? |
| 14:57.30 | KREYREEN | also i would hexdump these to see what those files are storing.. e.g. could be a malformed header that makes them seem like blank |
| 14:57.51 | KREYREEN | also dmesg might help |
| 14:58.50 | danuan | using a 6 gig ide drive so no smart on that yet |
| 15:00.02 | KREYREEN | i see.. in which case i would move the data in backup (in case there is a hardware damage forcing it to do read/write might cause more data loss) and check it agains something like `badblocks` |
| 15:00.27 | KREYREEN | assuming there being any data that you don't want to lose O.o |
| 15:00.48 | KREYREEN | also syslog might show if there was any cronjob or something that touched these files |
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| 15:01.37 | danuan | all happened on exact same date same time , went trough all logs and nothing on that particular date-time |
| 15:01.43 | KREYREEN | might be relevant to health checking https://superuser.com/questions/171195/how-to-check-the-health-of-a-hard-drive |
| 15:02.04 | KREYREEN | danuan, that would point on the hardware failure to me |
| 15:02.48 | KREYREEN | especially when it's on files that are within a same directory where depending on filesystem used these might be on the same block |
| 15:03.08 | KREYREEN | as dataloss usually has these symptoms of leaving blank files behind |
| 15:03.17 | KREYREEN | (at least based on my experience) |
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| 15:03.52 | KREYREEN | afaik because the filesystem stores that file hierarchy and points to the data on the specific blocks to be located.. so files/directories stay, but data on them are not reachable O.o |
| 15:05.06 | KREYREEN | and if it has some sensitive data that you don't want to lose and can't exclude hardware damage (that you should have a procedure for if this is commercial use) then i would rip the system from the wall and gave the HDD to the specialist for data restoration |
| 15:05.41 | KREYREEN | ripping it from the wall so that you are not forcing more runtime on the HDD that may result in more data loss or so i was taught to do x.x |
| 15:05.42 | danuan | its just 6 gig system ide drive with backups , important stuff is on zfs |
| 15:05.54 | unixbsd | hello, what is the sources.list of ascii devuan main repository? (only the packages stable, no security)?# |
| 15:06.04 | unixbsd | for pae i386? |
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| 15:06.57 | KREYREEN | danuan, then i would try self-diagnostics to verify the current health of the device |
| 15:07.17 | unixbsd | please if you had an template or url for it, thank you very much and in advance looking forward reading you -- kind regards |
| 15:07.24 | fsmithred | unixbsd, deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main |
| 15:07.54 | KREYREEN | unixbsd, See http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ ascii has backports, proposed-security, proposed-updates, proposed, security, updates and main available |
| 15:08.25 | danuan | KREYREEN and your question , i can only say i have tested kvm vs xen side by side and kvm came out on top as far as how many things just worked with minimal config . though i never got to gpu passthrough |
| 15:08.25 | fsmithred | ascii ascii-security and ascii-updates are the standard ones to have |
| 15:08.43 | KREYREEN | fsmithred, care to take a look on my issue? ^-^ |
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| 15:08.48 | danuan | xen might have been yesterdays sollution , but today kvm seems to get way more attention |
| 15:09.04 | KREYREEN | danuan, ye so far everything but the GPU passthrough works x.x |
| 15:09.04 | unixbsd | is there a repository that works and that is stable? |
| 15:09.25 | KREYREEN | unixbsd, `stable` |
| 15:09.33 | fsmithred | no, don't use 'stable' |
| 15:09.37 | KREYREEN | x.x |
| 15:09.44 | KREYREEN | though it's an alias to current stable~ |
| 15:09.50 | fsmithred | use codenames, because we are not always in sync with debian |
| 15:10.03 | KREYREEN | ah true sorry x.x |
| 15:10.19 | unixbsd | http://auto.pkgmaster stuffs is offline |
| 15:10.30 | fsmithred | KREYREEN, qubes and radeon? I don't know anything about it. |
| 15:10.35 | KREYREEN | x.x |
| 15:10.55 | KREYREEN | fsmithred, info on diagnosing radeon on devuan would be appreciated as this seems as userland issue O.o |
| 15:11.19 | KREYREEN | basically debian has dGPU on PCI available, but refusing to use it |
| 15:11.24 | fsmithred | unixbsd, if deb.devuan.org gives you problems, pick a nearby mirror from the list |
| 15:11.54 | fsmithred | at devuan.org |
| 15:12.49 | fsmithred | KREYREEN, maybe a bios setting for order of vid cards? |
| 15:12.53 | danuan | KREYREEN if you need to trick to xen maybe try AMD proprietary drivers ? and i would look in to kvm passthrough of that particular card , see what that comunity is saying as it might be applied |
| 15:13.05 | danuan | trick - stick |
| 15:13.29 | fsmithred | gotta go. afk. |
| 15:14.11 | KREYREEN | fsmithred, this is on xen so BIOS should provide the vid card |
| 15:14.22 | KREYREEN | danuan, i never got the AMD proprietary to work on this dGPU |
| 15:14.31 | KREYREEN | noticed something in settings and is trying reboot of the VM |
| 15:14.45 | Junicchi | it might be me or the updates but |
| 15:14.54 | Junicchi | the whole sound system on my machine is broken now |
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| 15:15.08 | danuan | i remeber reading that it is a hit and miss for passthrough , and major hacks with extracting vga bios and passing it to domus to initialise as files for some videocards |
| 15:15.21 | Junicchi | vga passtrough huh |
| 15:18.37 | Junicchi | fuck |
| 15:18.45 | Junicchi | s/vga/pci/g |
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| 15:35.32 | KREYREEN | still no idea x.x |
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| 15:43.17 | danuan | KREYREEN just a though , isnt that lenovo a laptop? and would that mean you are trying to passthrough a primary and only gpu that main system uses ? |
| 15:43.59 | danuan | as far as i know that means you need to make dom0 a headless system somehow |
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| 17:10.29 | unixbsd | is there a webpage with all infos about sources.list? similar to the classical one: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList (old good webpage) |
| 17:13.17 | unixbsd | the only one I know is: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages but not a wiki. |
| 17:13.37 | golinux | That's the only page |
| 17:13.48 | KREYREEN | danuan, it is laptop and it has iGPU and dGPU |
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| 17:14.56 | golinux | We need more people involved to maintain a wiki. |
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| 17:15.48 | golinux | Last effort died a slow death. New effort hasn't launched. And no one to write content so for now the wensite is it. |
| 17:16.02 | golinux | website |
| 17:19.16 | KREYREEN | o.o |
| 17:19.29 | KREYREEN | devuan has a wiki? |
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| 17:21.25 | KREYREEN | https://wiki.devuan.org/ returns "Welcome to nginx!" lol |
| 17:26.00 | specing | Should be "Welcome to systemd-nginx" |
| 17:26.32 | KREYREEN | system dicked would return 404 |
| 17:27.52 | DHE | 500 user tried to use a non-default setting |
| 17:32.11 | KREYREEN | default sucks~ |
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| 17:42.28 | golinux | KREYREEN: https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php |
| 17:42.49 | golinux | It is so out of date Beowulf isn't even mentioned. |
| 17:43.19 | golinux | And no one liked the doku wiki format. |
| 17:43.26 | KREYREEN | like if you want people contributing then i would make an official wiki on wiki.devuan.org and mentioned it on devuan.org.. |
| 17:43.40 | KREYREEN | would be personally interested to contrib :3 |
| 17:44.08 | golinux | As I said above . . . New effort hasn't launched |
| 17:44.36 | golinux | There will be an announcement if it ever happens. You are welcome to contribute |
| 17:44.45 | mason | KREYREEN: It's on my task list, but I've diverted to something less obnoxious. There was a thread on dng if you want to throw in ideas. |
| 17:45.24 | KREYREEN | link it then :p |
| 17:45.38 | KREYREEN | would be currently interested in makeing devuan image for qubesOS tbh |
| 17:46.01 | fsmithred | go for it |
| 17:46.29 | KREYREEN | abstracting it atm |
| 17:46.54 | specing | Honestly the systemd hate kinda subsided |
| 17:47.18 | KREYREEN | doubt |
| 17:47.27 | KREYREEN | new gen likes systemd because they are stupid imho :p |
| 17:48.22 | golinux | Humans are stupid (but that's for offtopic) |
| 17:50.16 | KREYREEN | meh.. the qubes backend is such a garbage x.x |
| 17:50.51 | fsmithred | wiki discussion starts here: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20200904.045101.f4c51de2.en.html |
| 17:53.59 | specing | Is there any development on a systemd competitor? Something that implements similar functionality in a proper way? |
| 17:54.30 | fsmithred | s6 |
| 17:54.55 | fsmithred | at least for init and service management |
| 17:55.14 | fsmithred | not for network, mounting, and whatever else systemd wants to do |
| 17:58.51 | mason | specing: Look at launchd, SMF. Those are what systemd wanted to be, and both are free software and hence can be useful with the free kernels/systems available. |
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| 18:00.52 | mason | But honestly, sysvinit works fine. |
| 18:01.40 | danuan | just wait till systemd gets a registry and deletes /etc |
| 18:02.14 | danuan | the linux can be free of this old unix crap |
| 18:05.02 | Helle | .... you joke, but gconf -> GSettings & dconf |
| 18:05.41 | mason | KREYREEN: Oh, forgot to mention, there's a moribund #devuan-wiki that will one day spring into living colour once a wiki is up. Also, FWIW, current thrust is twiki/foswiki, possibly using custom apparmor profiles to address some of their code structuring issues. |
| 18:06.06 | mason | But I'm working on a repository collider first. |
| 18:16.48 | danuan | Helle yes it seems modern day linux distributions have moved in direction of windows , where it seems very hard to build a minimal server without xwindows interface being a dependancy for one thing or another. |
| 18:17.19 | Helle | danuan: I mean I am actually not too angry about X libs being pulled in |
| 18:17.27 | Helle | so far I've been without X on the server though |
| 18:17.54 | Helle | hell, the main thing that draws in X is the fact I install a full version of vim (which has an X dependency just for clipboards....) |
| 18:18.11 | danuan | even with debian/devuan you have to be picky and careful about installing things , or it pull in a shitload |
| 18:18.59 | Helle | danuan: I mean disabling recommends is important |
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| 18:34.51 | suavedandy | fsmithred: So I followed these instructions: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3258 |
| 18:35.38 | suavedandy | And the installer still asks what file system I should format the partition in. |
| 18:35.53 | fsmithred | see the config file to disable that |
| 18:36.01 | fsmithred | no_format=yes (I think) |
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| 18:38.09 | suavedandy | fsmithred: Alright, will search for it. |
| 18:38.56 | fsmithred | 55:#no_format="yes" |
| 18:39.04 | fsmithred | uncomment that |
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| 18:54.15 | IanJ | Is there a way to --no-install-recommends by default? |
| 18:57.22 | xinomilo | create file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ with 'APT::Install-Recommends "false";' |
| 18:58.19 | IanJ | Thanks xinomilo :) |
| 19:01.37 | IanJ | It was starting to wear having to type that each time I installed something :) |
| 19:06.37 | fsmithred | aptitude -R ... |
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| 19:14.48 | IanJ | Don't have aptitude installed, never had a need for it. |
| 19:15.22 | IanJ | Some of this stuff has crazy dependancies. |
| 19:16.09 | IanJ | I didn't install cpp, but if I try to remove it, it wants to uninstall xorg. |
| 19:17.33 | xinomilo | xorg is a metapackage |
| 19:18.18 | IanJ | Maybe it is, but what has removing a c pre processor got to do with xorg? |
| 19:20.14 | n4dir | aptitude why cpp |
| 19:20.38 | n4dir | will probably only lead that far |
| 19:21.05 | fsmithred | apt rdepends cpp |
| 19:21.11 | fsmithred | will tell you what depends on cpp |
| 19:22.05 | fsmithred | g++, build-essential |
| 19:22.18 | fsmithred | gcc |
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| 19:23.19 | danuan | aptitude is nice for managing things from an interface , took me a while to switch from dselect as i was too used to that |
| 19:23.48 | fsmithred | oh, I just do aptitude on command line. I don't like the interface because it reminds of dselect. |
| 19:24.14 | fsmithred | I had a really hard time with that, coming to debian from suse. |
| 19:24.35 | IanJ | https://82.46.16.105/V/QBY8H7 |
| 19:25.05 | IanJ | I just don't understand why a pre-processor, something you would use to compile. Would be needed by compiled binaries of any kind? Maybe I'm missing something... |
| 19:29.52 | n4dir | i sure heard and experienced weird stuff as soon metapackages are involved, but not that. Sounds weird indeed |
| 19:30.34 | IanJ | *nods* How packge management works is some kind of voodoo. I have no idea how it all works I just know sometimes it has some strange ideas :) |
| 19:31.52 | n4dir | if i simulate a removal of cpp it wants to remove xorg too. Not that info would be of any use for you, but yeah, confirmed |
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| 19:35.11 | danuan | do it enough times and make a procedure list of what to install and what to skip, i do just apt for xless servers , but aptitude when doing a full blown desktop (otherwise it takes forever ) |
| 19:37.19 | n4dir | sounds to me like a different question/problem |
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| 19:39.53 | IanJ | n4dir: who would be responsible for defining the dependencies, the package maintainer of cpp on debian? |
| 19:41.14 | n4dir | now as far i can tell it is the dependency listed in the file debian/rules ? For sure a file in the debian folder of the source code |
| 19:41.30 | n4dir | else apt-cache show <packagename> lists those dependencies |
| 19:41.43 | n4dir | and for xorg it sure doesn't mention cpp |
| 19:42.55 | suavedandy | fsmithred: Found it with a text search. Have no idea how to find a specific line in Nano. |
| 19:43.52 | suavedandy | I wanted to clarify. Do you type the same partition name instead of pressing ENTER when the installer asks you for the home partition? |
| 19:43.55 | fsmithred | it's on line 55 as indicated by the sed output I posted. Not very far to scroll down in a text editor. |
| 19:44.18 | fsmithred | I don't remember how to do the btrfs install |
| 19:44.27 | fsmithred | whatever I wrote, whatever the other guy wrote |
| 19:47.16 | suavedandy | fsmithred: mount -o subvolid=258 "$home_part" /target ; check |
| 19:47.28 | suavedandy | That's one of the lines I had to change. |
| 19:47.52 | fsmithred | that looks a little familiar |
| 19:48.31 | suavedandy | The only difference is "-o subvolid=258" part. |
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| 19:49.34 | fsmithred | and there's a different subvol for root? |
| 19:49.41 | suavedandy | The home partition mounting doesn't happen when you skip choosing the home partition, right? As far as I remember from checking the config, it was inserted into some form of construction. |
| 19:49.44 | suavedandy | Yes. |
| 19:50.06 | n4dir | IanJ: i misunderstood your question, obviously. Yes, the maintainer of a package. |
| 19:50.08 | fsmithred | right |
| 19:50.25 | suavedandy | An if statement, perhaps? |
| 19:50.30 | fsmithred | both subvols are part of /dev/mapper/storage? |
| 19:50.37 | suavedandy | Yes. |
| 19:50.51 | fsmithred | might need to disable a test to put the same thing in for both |
| 19:50.58 | IanJ | n4dir: I will contact them, see if they can take a look at it. |
| 19:51.00 | fsmithred | hang on while I look |
| 19:51.28 | n4dir | IanJ: well, the problem is that cpp is not listed as a dependency of xorg, and the other way around neither. |
| 19:51.50 | suavedandy | fsmithred: The home subvolume still needs to be mounted seperately tho. |
| 19:51.56 | n4dir | I fooled with apt rdepends, apt-rdepends and apt-cache depends, but sure can't make any sense of it (i hardly use those tools) |
| 19:52.06 | suavedandy | Because of "-o subvolid=â¦" |
| 19:52.28 | fsmithred | you took care of that by editing the mount commands, right? |
| 19:52.36 | suavedandy | Yes. |
| 19:54.00 | fsmithred | looks like home_dev gets tested for ending in a digit, which is not fatal, and also checks that it's not the same partition as the esp (efi partition) |
| 19:54.35 | fsmithred | so you should be good to put the same logical partition for both |
| 19:54.48 | fsmithred | dev/mapper/storage |
| 19:55.44 | fsmithred | n4dir, apt-cache depends will tell you the deps for the package you name |
| 19:56.22 | fsmithred | rdepends will tell you what packages depend on the one you name. You have to think backward when you read the output.. |
| 19:56.41 | n4dir | yeah, that i got. But as the man page of apt-rdepends mentioned it, i gave it a try |
| 19:56.55 | n4dir | apt rdepends and apt-rdepends differ quite a bit too |
| 19:57.08 | n4dir | mainly apt rdepends gives me apps i haven't installed |
| 19:57.15 | fsmithred | I don't have apt-rdepends |
| 19:58.07 | fsmithred | how did you get it? |
| 19:58.10 | n4dir | try playstore or ebay |
| 19:58.20 | fsmithred | it's in the repo |
| 19:58.24 | n4dir | ha ha. sorry. i thought you were kidding. just install |
| 19:58.27 | fsmithred | I've never heard of it |
| 19:58.37 | n4dir | i never heard of apt rdpedends. |
| 19:58.51 | fsmithred | apt-cache rdepends has been around for a long time |
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| 19:58.58 | n4dir | but was puzzled as it listed xdm. checked, not installed, installed apt-rdepends, that looks more like what i got |
| 19:59.10 | n4dir | still no clue bout the relation of cpp and xorg though |
| 19:59.12 | fsmithred | yeah, I saw xdm and wondered about that |
| 19:59.33 | n4dir | this install is 3 months old? So as you see: i only need it if i fool around. |
| 19:59.49 | n4dir | most of the time i get away with aptitude why |
| 20:00.06 | n4dir | well: i hardly de-install programs |
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| 20:39.41 | suavedandy | Still wondering if BtrFS's compression works with encrypted volumes. After all, the encrypted volume appears as random data⦠probably⦠|
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| 20:49.53 | mason | suavedandy: It should work anywhere/everywhere. |
| 20:51.09 | suavedandy | Okay. I have no idea how encryption works on GNU/Linux then⦠|
| 20:56.38 | fsmithred | normally you encrypt a partition and then open it and create a filesystem on it. (single filesystem or lvm with multiple logical volumes.) |
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| 21:00.10 | suavedandy | fsmithred: Turns out you can just mount one top subvolume with two subsubvolumes. |
| 21:00.15 | sixwheeledbeast | It depends how you set it up i suppose |
| 21:00.43 | suavedandy | So THAT'S why everyone was saying you must have a top volume. |
| 21:00.58 | fsmithred | sorry, I don't understand |
| 21:01.23 | suavedandy | You see, nested subvolumes get mounted with the top volume. |
| 21:01.55 | fsmithred | since btrfs is a filesystem, you probably want to put that inside an encrypted partition. |
| 21:02.32 | suavedandy | So you can switch subvolumes around that way kinda. |
| 21:02.39 | fsmithred | https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Does_btrfs_support_encryption.3F |
| 21:03.29 | suavedandy | Or maybe not. |
| 21:03.35 | suavedandy | Anyway. |
| 21:03.50 | suavedandy | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs |
| 21:03.52 | suavedandy | Here. |
| 21:04.13 | suavedandy | It says they have a toplevel subvolume in their layout. |
| 21:04.32 | fsmithred | there's nothing about encryption on that page |
| 21:05.26 | suavedandy | It prob works. I remember installing Ubuntu with BtrFS and encryption just fine. |
| 21:06.14 | suavedandy | It has automatic subvolumes like on OpenSUSE. But it's simpler, as you can see. |
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| 21:07.45 | fsmithred | the kernel.org page explains the different ways of encrypting with btrfs |
| 21:07.57 | suavedandy | The @ subvolume is mounted to / using the kernel boot option rootflags=subvol=@ |
| 21:07.57 | suavedandy | The @home subvolume (if it is used), is mounted via the mount option subvol=@home in fstab. |
| 21:08.57 | suavedandy | fsmithred: Not talking about the encryption. Talking about the subvolume layout. |
| 21:09.11 | fsmithred | if you wanted to use luks, make one big partition on the drive, encrypt it, open it, and then do the btrfs setup, then install the system. |
| 21:09.55 | suavedandy | I'm saying that mounting two subvolumes is unnecessary. |
| 21:10.06 | miskatonic | i better stick to good old ext* |
| 21:10.16 | fsmithred | miskatonic, me too. |
| 21:11.17 | suavedandy | miskatonic: The only reason why we have so much fiddling is because Debian/Devuan isn't Ubuntu and doesn't provide installation on BtrFS root in its installer. |
| 21:11.26 | fsmithred | suavedandy, are you saying that you don't need to have /home in fstab? |
| 21:11.32 | suavedandy | Yep. |
| 21:11.53 | fsmithred | ok, I guess you can find out pretty fast if that works or not |
| 21:12.09 | fsmithred | add #, save and reboot. |
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| 21:35.08 | suavedandy | fsmithred: No, I was very wrong. |
| 21:35.21 | suavedandy | I read the instructions wrong. |
| 21:36.30 | suavedandy | The Ubuntu's article just stated that level 5 subvolumes are mounted first. It didn't say only one subvolume needs to be mounted. |
| 21:46.44 | suavedandy | The BtrFS installation sure requires some hard brain flexing. |
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| 22:01.50 | fsmithred | and what do you get for that extra work? |
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| 22:16.21 | mason | suavedandy: Why did you move off of ZFS? |
| 22:17.01 | mason | I might have asked this previously, but I'm not remembering. |
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| 22:21.26 | suavedandy | Well, I wasn't very successful with it. |
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| 22:27.18 | fsmithred | mason, have you got a minute or two to meet me in video chat? I want to test new chromium properly. |
| 22:27.59 | suavedandy | fsmithred: That article seems to be quite helpful in terms of setting BtrFS. https://mutschler.eu/linux/install-guides/ubuntu-btrfs/ |
| 22:28.46 | suavedandy | It's for Ubuntu but, I mean, Debian-based. |
| 22:28.56 | suavedandy | So it applies. |
| 22:29.24 | suavedandy | At least partly. |
| 22:29.35 | fsmithred | btrfs inside luks is what I assumed would work. |
| 22:31.28 | mason | fsmithred: Sure, yes. Devuan meetingspace? |
| 22:31.53 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 22:31.56 | fsmithred | on my way |
| 22:31.59 | suavedandy | There's no other way of encrypting BtrFS. Unlike ZFS which has native encryption. |
| 22:32.29 | mason | I still use LUKS with ZFS. I don't like the native encryption. |
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| 22:40.00 | suavedandy | fsmithred: So apparently every entry in my fstab is mounted with UUID. |
| 22:40.24 | suavedandy | Is that something required for GPT? |
| 22:44.02 | Helle | no, but it is common |
| 22:44.23 | mason | suavedandy: I much prefer human-readable GPT labels. /dev/disk/by-partlabel/foo |
| 22:48.29 | suavedandy | "/dev/disk/by-partlabel/Linux\x20filesystem" |
| 22:48.46 | suavedandy | Now thats pretty |
| 22:51.08 | fsmithred | yeah, uuid is standard now, and it's good if you have multiple disks, in case they come up in a different order. |
| 22:51.12 | fsmithred | but uuid sucks to read |
| 22:51.27 | fsmithred | I use /dev/mapper names if they exist |
| 22:51.38 | fsmithred | and I have used labels in the past. They're nice. |
| 22:54.06 | suavedandy | fsmithred: Can't you just /dev/device_name? |
| 22:54.26 | fsmithred | not on an encrypted partition |
| 22:54.29 | fsmithred | sorry |
| 22:54.36 | fsmithred | encrypted filesystem |
| 22:54.48 | suavedandy | I was referring to ESP. |
| 22:55.00 | fsmithred | not sure how I do that. I'll check. |
| 22:56.22 | fsmithred | on one laptop /dev/sda1 is mounted to /boot/efi, on the other laptop the esp is not mounted. |
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| 22:56.49 | fsmithred | since both are laptops and only have one drive, there's no chance of being out of order |
| 22:56.58 | fsmithred | desktop is bios boot |
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| 22:57.38 | suavedandy | And what about a desktop with one drive? |
| 22:58.10 | fsmithred | I use dev names in that case. Also in my VM tests. |
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| 22:58.24 | fsmithred | least work involved |
| 23:00.12 | fsmithred | need to go to the kitchen. bbl. |
| 23:05.56 | suavedandy | I'll go get some sleep. Will wrap everything up after I wake up. |
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| 23:25.56 | Xenguy | Does anyone happen to know if zsh typically gets installed by default? |
| 23:26.35 | Xenguy | Right now I'm getting this: |
| 23:26.37 | Xenguy | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 23:26.37 | Xenguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.09 | Xenguy | If I try to install zsh-common, then it wants to remove zsh, strangely enough... |
| 23:27.14 | Xenguy | This is on Ascii |
| 23:29.14 | gnarface | i assume no |
| 23:29.43 | gnarface | because the stock kernel doesn't support it, and there are license issues |
| 23:29.59 | gnarface | wait, sorry |
| 23:30.01 | fsmithred | zsh not zfs. I did the same thing |
| 23:30.09 | gnarface | i did that last time too |
| 23:30.10 | gnarface | sigh |
| 23:30.16 | gnarface | but the answer is the same anyway |
| 23:30.23 | fsmithred | blame mason for talking about zfs. |
| 23:30.28 | gnarface | zsh won't be installed by default, the default is bash unless you tell it to be dash |
| 23:30.45 | gnarface | other options have to be manually configured&installed |
| 23:31.01 | gnarface | eh, there might be some cases where you can get busybox too |
| 23:31.09 | Xenguy | Thanks folks, I think I'll just uninstall zsh, since I use bash |
| 23:31.23 | fsmithred | I have zsh and zsh-common |
| 23:31.30 | gnarface | lots of people like zsh, i wouldn't knock it, but if you're not using it, you won't miss it |
| 23:31.37 | fsmithred | 5.7.1-1 in beowulf |
| 23:32.03 | fsmithred | and I only have it because live-sdk uses it |
| 23:32.07 | Xenguy | zsh sounds pretty good, but I prefer to just stick with the default shell |
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| 23:32.16 | gnarface | i can't see it installed anywhere here |
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| 23:32.25 | Xenguy | This is Ascii, FWIW |
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| 23:32.46 | Xenguy | I may have installed it myself, and just forgot I did |
| 23:33.06 | fsmithred | I have both on ascii, too, but they are not the same version |
| 23:34.15 | fsmithred | I don't have the newest version. |
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| 23:34.22 | danuan | trying to autorun a script in runlevel1 without logging in the console , trough an init.d script but anything after rc1.d/S02single does not seem to run after it switches actual runlevels |
| 23:34.52 | fsmithred | zsh depends on zsh-common, so you should be able to install both |
| 23:35.38 | Xenguy | There, that's that issue dealt with, and I just increased my disk space by 15Mb ; -) |
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| 23:35.56 | fsmithred | oh |
| 23:36.16 | Xenguy | Or rather, saved myself 15Mb of space |
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