| 00:02.33 | IanJ | why on earth would installing mpv fetch down modemmanager? |
| 00:04.41 | fsmithred | it's not a dependency or even a recommends |
| 00:05.09 | fsmithred | try with --no-install-recommends |
| 00:05.37 | fsmithred | or if it's already installed, 'aptitude why modemmanager' |
| 00:14.26 | IanJ | https://termbin.com/0jij |
| 00:15.10 | IanJ | There's a lot of irrelavent stuff in there it wants to install. |
| 00:16.12 | IanJ | Same when I try to install firefox-esr. |
| 00:16.16 | IanJ | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 00:16.18 | IanJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.10 | IanJ | Is it my adding non-free on my sources list? |
| 00:17.20 | fsmithred | really, try without recommends |
| 00:17.26 | IanJ | ok |
| 00:17.33 | fsmithred | I don't believe that only one package is a rec |
| 00:17.52 | fsmithred | and no, it should not add non-free or contrib if they aren't already there |
| 00:17.59 | fsmithred | oh |
| 00:18.05 | fsmithred | check sources.list |
| 00:18.26 | fsmithred | you did a new install. If firmware is needed, it usually adds it. So non-free might be there. |
| 00:18.37 | fsmithred | but I don't think that would account for all those packages |
| 00:19.14 | miskatonic | but entries in the apt sourve list can be disabled after the base installation |
| 00:19.39 | IanJ | that --no-install-recommends slims things down considerably. Now I get two packages for firefox-esr not 38, most of which seem totally unrelated. |
| 00:20.27 | fsmithred | that sounds right |
| 00:22.38 | IanJ | I'd added the non-free as I needed firmware for my radeon. |
| 00:23.10 | IanJ | But taking those out I still have the same amount of packages going to be installed. |
| 00:23.59 | fsmithred | yeah, you'll get more cruft from excessive recommends than you will from non-free |
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| 05:11.24 | xenial64-user2 | anybody have luck on a chomebook? |
| 05:13.08 | clort | linus says he won't bother trying to get linux running on apple m1 |
| 05:23.01 | xenial64-user2 | i want a touch screen, then what? |
| 05:25.55 | xenial64-user2 | i also want to run midiox. for a synthesizer |
| 05:35.26 | clort | the thinkpad x-series tablets had touchscreens |
| 05:35.50 | clort | possibly less sick than google products |
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| 06:46.22 | systemdlete | I have a system sporting a nvidia geforce gt710. The problem is that it is freezing up the entire system now. I see occasional errors in the kernel log about some nvidia error. I'll try to get them over to this system so I can paste them |
| 06:57.04 | systemdlete | http://paste.debian.net/1174208/ |
| 07:01.04 | systemdlete | I also (sometimes) see that CSHW ERROR upon login to the console. |
| 07:04.56 | systemdlete | http://paste.debian.net/1174209/ (I forgot to use the -a flag on grep; I pulled out all of the nouveau driver messages) |
| 07:08.44 | gnarface | systemdlete: try the kernel & mesa from backports |
| 07:09.43 | gnarface | systemdlete: they might be able to help in #nouveau but they'll want you to try a newer kernel too |
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| 07:20.01 | clort | systemdlete: using xfce? |
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| 07:59.50 | systemdlete | clort: No, actually mate. |
| 08:00.12 | systemdlete | gnarface: Were you able to make out any clues from the log? |
| 08:00.43 | systemdlete | those messages must have been nasty too because I had to use grep -a to pull out all of the nouveau errors. |
| 08:02.05 | systemdlete | heat? |
| 08:02.22 | systemdlete | It didn't work in my other machine either, and when I removed it, it was very hot! |
| 08:02.30 | systemdlete | there is no fan on this model. |
| 08:03.54 | clort | i don't use fans. i tie small birds to my heatsinks and frighten them with pictures of rachael maddow |
| 08:03.55 | systemdlete | gnarface: OK, I'll try a newer kernel. |
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| 08:13.19 | systemdlete | clort: That probably works very well. She *is* frightening (but this is, again, OT) |
| 08:13.44 | clort | fanless is great though. even if you must enslave small birds |
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| 08:14.10 | systemdlete | gnarface: I upgraded the kernel, but I don't see a newer nouveau driver in backports for beowulf. |
| 08:15.10 | systemdlete | (clort: What about all the bird doo? I mean there's no moving parts to cause a problem, true, but still, it could rot the card) |
| 08:22.41 | systemdlete | (What I am saying, clort, is that we don't have to worry about the s--- hitting the fan, because there is no fan, right? :) ) |
| 08:25.09 | clort | that's a good point :) |
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| 08:35.46 | systemdlete | btw, you were right. It is xfce. I've got a lot of systems here... I forget what has what. |
| 08:36.08 | clort | xcfe has triggered bizarre gpu problems for me - it may be fixed in latest |
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| 08:38.55 | systemdlete2 | logged in from my test box here |
| 08:39.20 | systemdlete2 | the error I get when I launch a VM now is "libvirt.libvirtError: Operation not supported: operation 'setCpusetMemoryMigrate' not supported" |
| 08:39.33 | systemdlete2 | Not too many hits about this. |
| 08:42.57 | systemdlete2 | this seems to have some solution I could try: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=935734 |
| 08:43.14 | systemdlete2 | only came up with google search. ddg only got a few hits |
| 08:45.07 | systemdlete2 | yep. that worked. cgroups |
| 08:47.42 | systemdlete | clort: ANy of those problems when running VM's? |
| 08:50.03 | systemdlete | my beowulf vm in graphical mode gets a blank screen |
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| 09:05.21 | gnarface | systemdlete: the nouveau driver is part of the kernel |
| 09:05.32 | gnarface | systemdlete: it's not packaged separately like the official one |
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| 09:06.04 | gnarface | systemdlete: make sure you get mesa from backports too if you get the kernel from there though.... they're usually tested as a set |
| 09:06.24 | IanJ | Strange thing. I installed nginx, managed to mess up the config so I decided to reinstall it to put the files back but nothing gets written back to /etc/nginx upon reinstalling the nginx package? |
| 09:07.00 | gnarface | IanJ: by default it won't overwrite the old config |
| 09:07.10 | IanJ | gnarface: I removed the entire directory... |
| 09:07.27 | gnarface | IanJ: try removing nginx with --purge |
| 09:07.32 | IanJ | Did that. |
| 09:07.54 | gnarface | ok, maybe the config is in a separate package? |
| 09:08.00 | gnarface | dpkg -l |grep nginx |
| 09:09.24 | systemdlete2 | gnarface: I have about 8 mesa packages installed -- upgrade all from backports? |
| 09:09.51 | gnarface | systemdlete2: yes |
| 09:10.17 | IanJ | says installed, but nothing much else. |
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| 09:11.35 | IanJ | let me find a pastebin |
| 09:12.34 | IanJ | https://termbin.com/4j92 |
| 09:13.12 | gnarface | use paste.debian.net please? |
| 09:13.23 | gnarface | just purge them all |
| 09:13.31 | gnarface | purge every nginx* package |
| 09:13.58 | gnarface | i see 8 in the repos for ceres |
| 09:14.06 | IanJ | ok |
| 09:14.41 | gnarface | shouldn't be anything you can't re-download from the repo unless it came from someone else's repo |
| 09:15.01 | gnarface | bug nginx shouldn't have to |
| 09:15.04 | gnarface | but* |
| 09:15.20 | IanJ | I've only got nginx installed and I'm using a fresh install of devuan beowulf |
| 09:15.54 | IanJ | I've tried purging it and reinstalling several times and had no success with the missing files. |
| 09:16.03 | systemdlete2 | gnarface: Seems they are all up to date? |
| 09:16.17 | gnarface | IanJ: try "dpkg -S nginx" |
| 09:16.20 | IanJ | ok |
| 09:16.33 | gnarface | systemdlete2: apt-get -t beowulf-backports install [package name] ? |
| 09:16.55 | systemdlete2 | right |
| 09:16.59 | systemdlete2 | (similar) |
| 09:17.37 | gnarface | already got it previously? |
| 09:17.54 | gnarface | maybe there isn't a new one for beowulf but i could have sworn there was... |
| 09:18.19 | systemdlete2 | apt install -t beowulf-backports libegl-mesa0 libegl1-mesa libgl1-mesa-dri libglapi-mesa libglu1-mesa libglx-mesa0 mesa-va-drivers mesa-vdpau-drivers |
| 09:18.53 | gnarface | the man page says -t has to come before install |
| 09:19.00 | gnarface | it might be ignoring it |
| 09:19.21 | gnarface | (there might be a warning about it in the output you didn't notice) |
| 09:19.44 | systemdlete2 | No. It tells me each one is already the newest |
| 09:19.55 | systemdlete2 | no warning, no errors |
| 09:20.01 | gnarface | interesting |
| 09:21.19 | gnarface | well, the only real further you can go is compiling it |
| 09:21.23 | gnarface | and the kernel |
| 09:21.42 | gnarface | has it froze again since upgrading to the backports kernel? |
| 09:21.58 | gnarface | if it hasn't maybe just wait and see |
| 09:22.20 | systemdlete2 | so far, so good. |
| 09:22.33 | systemdlete2 | but the blank screen in the VM... |
| 09:23.05 | gnarface | ah right |
| 09:23.07 | gnarface | dunno about that |
| 09:23.08 | systemdlete2 | normally, at least in vbox, if that happens (and it does a lot lately), I can switch to a console and back to vt7 and that fixes it |
| 09:23.15 | systemdlete2 | (until the next reboot) |
| 09:23.35 | gnarface | is there a package for it in backports too? |
| 09:23.36 | systemdlete2 | but I am not running a login manager |
| 09:23.39 | IanJ | ok, I've got it back now. Uninstalling the nginx meta package doesn't uninstall everything, nginx-full / nginx-light |
| 09:23.52 | gnarface | IanJ: good to hear you got it worked out |
| 09:23.57 | IanJ | :) |
| 09:24.17 | IanJ | It was driving me slightly crazy. |
| 09:25.35 | systemdlete2 | the vm is running beowulf, but it is on a vbox .vdi disk image. I haven't converted it. |
| 09:25.45 | systemdlete2 | Not sure if/why that would matter |
| 09:26.40 | systemdlete2 | oh... |
| 09:26.53 | systemdlete2 | lxqt... maybe that is the problem |
| 09:28.31 | gnarface | dunno anything about it, sorry |
| 09:28.50 | gnarface | something could still be mismatched though |
| 09:32.27 | systemdlete2 | well both my vms just crashed, along with virt-manager |
| 09:33.09 | gnarface | there's no libvirt in backports? |
| 09:33.12 | gnarface | or the related stuff? |
| 09:33.43 | gnarface | oh |
| 09:33.54 | gnarface | there isn't a libvirt but there is a virt-manager |
| 09:34.15 | systemdlete2 | correction. The VMs did not crash |
| 09:34.16 | gnarface | also, it's not much but there's glx-alternative-mesa |
| 09:34.32 | systemdlete2 | I upgraded virt-manager |
| 09:34.36 | gnarface | which is weird that it's there alone, but maybe important |
| 09:34.44 | gnarface | (glx-alternative-mesa, that is) |
| 09:36.52 | systemdlete2 | should I install glx-alternative-mesa |
| 09:36.55 | systemdlete2 | ? |
| 09:37.30 | gnarface | since it's in backports and you installed the backports kernel, yes, but like i said, it seems weird that it's there alone |
| 09:37.52 | systemdlete2 | do I need to uninstall mesa first? |
| 09:38.01 | gnarface | no, normally there'd be a dozen or so other mesa packages, as you well know |
| 09:38.07 | gnarface | you'd see them |
| 09:38.18 | gnarface | maybe "coming soon" |
| 09:39.12 | systemdlete2 | it wants to install nvidia-installer-cleanup and update-glx. This sounds promising |
| 09:39.25 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 09:39.46 | gnarface | did you have official binary drivers on there before? |
| 09:39.48 | systemdlete2 | I'm wondering if I need to update or change anything in the guest also |
| 09:39.58 | gnarface | i'm not sure it'd need nvidia-installer-cleanup if you didn't have the official drivers before |
| 09:40.02 | systemdlete2 | gnarface: I just inserted this card about 3 days ago |
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| 09:40.39 | systemdlete2 | before that, it was using another nvidia card, which I stole because my other box was having problems with its onboard hdmi |
| 09:40.45 | gnarface | have you intended to use the official drivers for it? you know the open source nouveau driver will have significantly limited functionality, and depend on mesa, right? |
| 09:40.59 | systemdlete2 | no. I'm no expert on that |
| 09:41.14 | gnarface | oh i see, so you didn't use nouveau on purpose? |
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| 09:41.21 | systemdlete2 | right |
| 09:41.34 | gnarface | you might might want to switch then, unless you have some ethical or security concern |
| 09:41.34 | systemdlete2 | I forget what's on the board on this machine |
| 09:41.53 | systemdlete2 | well, actually... |
| 09:42.10 | systemdlete2 | I'm trying hard to keep my systems free of f-ware |
| 09:42.47 | gnarface | oh |
| 09:43.17 | systemdlete2 | so I finished the alternative install... shut down VMs |
| 09:43.25 | systemdlete2 | should I logout or even reboot? |
| 09:44.09 | systemdlete2 | just to make sure all the parts load, etc. |
| 09:44.40 | systemdlete2 | ctl-alt-backspace: Would that suffice? |
| 09:46.07 | gnarface | you should reboot for this stuff just to be sure |
| 09:46.24 | gnarface | glx no, video drivers yes |
| 09:46.32 | gnarface | sometimes hard to separate the two though |
| 09:47.07 | systemdlete2 | back soon... |
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| 09:51.03 | gnarface | any difference? |
| 09:51.18 | systemdlete2 | eh... yeah. This time, the entire desktop (xorg) crashed. |
| 09:51.23 | gnarface | damn |
| 09:51.33 | systemdlete2 | when I went to launch a VM |
| 09:51.48 | gnarface | well, go back to the previous version then, probably |
| 09:51.48 | systemdlete2 | wish I could get the log for that... |
| 09:52.01 | systemdlete2 | previous version of which? |
| 09:52.17 | gnarface | previous version of glx-alternative-mesa... uninstall those other two, nvidia-installer-cleanup and update-glx |
| 09:52.19 | systemdlete2 | I've upgraded the kernel, libvirt, and mesa |
| 09:52.33 | systemdlete2 | ok |
| 09:52.35 | gnarface | keep the updated virt-manager |
| 09:53.07 | gnarface | unless it still fails after rolling the other stuff back, then roll virt-manager back too |
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| 09:54.38 | systemdlete2 | rebooting... |
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