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| 00:43.22 | phidoux | finaly worked it out |
| 00:43.24 | phidoux | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples - https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=259661 - ln -s to create /usr/share/alsa-card-profile/mixer/ using profile-sets directly from /usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer/profile-sets |
| 00:43.40 | phidoux | i had to manualy create the new directory |
| 00:43.48 | phidoux | but the custom profile is working correctly |
| 00:45.30 | phidoux | thanks for your help the other day fsmithred and n4dir |
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| 09:26.14 | Fudge | hi, is it known what appened to the blind friendly spin that was at devuan.kalos.mine.nu |
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| 11:51.25 | fsmithred | Fudge, that would probably be the devuan minimal-live iso. Try files.devuan.org |
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| 17:05.30 | APic | Hi. I am trying to build esound-0.2.41 and get â/usr/bin/ld: esd.o: undefined reference to symbol 'sin@@GLIBC_2.2.5'â under chimaera/ceres |
| 17:05.34 | APic | What can i do? |
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| 17:08.07 | APic | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16006145/ld-undefined-reference-to-symbol-log2glibc-2-2-5 says i probably need -lm |
| 17:08.17 | GyrosGeier | sounds right |
| 17:08.28 | GyrosGeier | sin would also live in -lm |
| 17:08.37 | APic | *nod* |
| 17:08.57 | APic | âsinâ just sounds more sinful ð |
| 17:09.17 | APic | LDFLAGS='-lm' ./configure did the Trick ⺠|
| 17:09.38 | GyrosGeier | it's just the sine function, which most CPUs have as a builtin |
| 17:10.08 | GyrosGeier | so people often don't notice the missing -lm because the only functions they used were inlined |
| 17:10.11 | APic | ⺠|
| 17:11.05 | GyrosGeier | except pedantic compilers will not inline without -ffast-math |
| 17:11.23 | GyrosGeier | because fsin is not IEEE conformant |
| 17:11.29 | APic | ⺠|
| 17:11.51 | GyrosGeier | sorry, obligatory rant about *real* CPUs :) |
| 17:12.22 | APic | Whoah, long Time no esd |
| 17:12.25 | APic | How do i start it? |
| 17:12.58 | APic | âesdâ in a Shell just sits there and my Terminal shows a blinking Cursor |
| 17:13.38 | APic | Ah |
| 17:14.02 | APic | âesd -bind localhostâ at least shows â- accepting connections on port 16001â ð |
| 17:14.36 | APic | Sad that 16001 is not in my /etc/services though ð |
| 17:17.25 | APic | xarchon in my Debian-Etch-Chroot still has no Sound though |
| 17:17.36 | APic | Looks like i have to try some simpler EsounD-Clients first ð¸ |
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| 17:27.15 | APic | Inside esound-0.2.41: zsh: ./test-script: bad interpreter: /bin/tcsh: no such file or directory |
| 17:27.32 | APic | At last a Reason to install csh ⺠|
| 17:28.30 | APic | Okay, csh installs bsd-csh, so i actually need to install tcsh too ⺠|
| 17:31.33 | APic | But the test-script works, yay ð |
| 17:31.40 | miskatonic | is there a reason for using both csh and tcsh? |
| 17:33.49 | IanJ | I guess, if you have scripts in something that are written to use a certain shell type that's not compatible. |
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| 17:37.16 | miskatonic | i used tcsh 25 years ago on an SGI Indigo workstation. |
| 17:38.24 | IanJ | I still own an indigo2... |
| 17:45.13 | miskatonic | especially netbsd fans often revive unix workstations from the last millennium |
| 17:46.03 | r3boot | not just netbsd fans. It's also fun to go on OS archaological expeditions :) |
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| 17:47.50 | Guest92 | can i install debian testing packages on devuan? |
| 17:48.57 | gnarface | you can but you shouldn't |
| 17:49.04 | gnarface | you should use the devuan testing packages instead |
| 17:49.13 | gnarface | the ones that are the same are the same |
| 17:49.25 | gnarface | and the ones that are different will probably break your install so you don't want them anyway |
| 17:49.38 | gnarface | (most of them are the same, luckily) |
| 17:50.02 | Guest92 | i can't find the devuan testing packages on the site so i was curious |
| 17:50.17 | miskatonic | mixing stable and testing is generally problematic |
| 17:50.44 | Guest92 | to reword my question, how would install devuan testing |
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| 17:50.54 | Guest92 | *how would i install devuan testing |
| 17:52.07 | gnarface | Guest92: the process isn't different from upgrading to debian testing, except it's called "chimera" instead of "bullseye" |
| 17:52.55 | gnarface | Guest92: https://www.devuan.org/os/releases |
| 17:53.37 | Guest92 | ok so i just replace beowulf in sources with chimera |
| 17:53.42 | gnarface | yep |
| 17:53.46 | Guest92 | thanks |
| 17:53.49 | gnarface | no problem |
| 17:53.51 | gnarface | good luck |
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| 18:06.57 | IanJ | I found a link the other day about migrating debian buster to devuan beowulf, I can't seem to find it again... |
| 18:07.35 | IanJ | I got it! |
| 18:07.57 | fsmithred | https://www.devuan.org/os/install |
| 18:08.05 | IanJ | thanks fsmithred :) |
| 18:08.52 | IanJ | Are there significant differences other than the default init system? |
| 18:09.14 | fsmithred | no. 99% of the packages in the repo are unchanged from debian |
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| 18:09.56 | gnarface | IanJ: just that one is enough to be a headache if you've never learned how to manage unix filesystem permissions though |
| 18:10.18 | fsmithred | oh |
| 18:10.23 | gnarface | IanJ: (at least, if you never learned to and really didn't want to, anyway) |
| 18:12.17 | gnarface | IanJ: the primary difference other than init behavior itself (which desktop users mostly shouldn't have to touch with either system) is that systemd bypasses all security defaults to give the local physical console user access to everything by default. |
| 18:13.06 | gnarface | IanJ: (with all other init systems, you have to grant yourself access to protected stuff) |
| 18:13.22 | IanJ | I used slackware for a number of years and then debian long before it jumped to systemd. |
| 18:13.23 | fsmithred | isn't that a desktop environment thing anyway, even without systemd? |
| 18:13.36 | gnarface | IanJ: oh, you should be fine then. it'll be just like debian wheezy |
| 18:13.47 | IanJ | gnarface: neat! |
| 18:14.16 | fsmithred | just be aware of the tricky points in the migration. They are in the guide. |
| 18:14.29 | gnarface | fsmithred: no actually, but if you're running NVidia drivers in Xorg in suid-root mode, they'll do it for the core keyboard on the dl |
| 18:14.30 | fsmithred | yeah, welcome home |
| 18:15.05 | gnarface | fsmithred: (so when i switched to amdgpu just recently, i thought my keyboard batteries had died for a panicked moment) |
| 18:15.43 | gnarface | fsmithred: (they were fresh batteries) |
| 18:16.10 | IanJ | I'll follow the instructions to the word. I would ideally jump to runit, it sounds like the best balance. But I'll save that shot in the foot for later :) |
| 18:16.23 | gnarface | fsmithred: (basically, that cleared up a long-standing confusion i had about why i didn't seem to need to be in the "input" group) |
| 18:16.52 | fsmithred | IanJ, there are a couple of devatives that have runit isos to play with |
| 18:17.13 | fsmithred | wow, that's kind of an obscure thing |
| 18:17.18 | IanJ | fsmithred: but probably no documented path from debian buster. I'll stick with the instructions :) |
| 18:17.30 | fsmithred | yeah, migrate first |
| 18:17.51 | fsmithred | switching to runit is not difficult. Do it later. |
| 18:18.00 | IanJ | cool, will do :) |
| 18:18.18 | fsmithred | there are instructions for that on the forum |
| 18:19.22 | fsmithred | oh, had to re-read what you said. The derviatives have live-isos with runit. There is no migration path to those from anywhere. |
| 18:21.54 | IanJ | That's fine. I'm happy enough to go buster -> beowulf and then look at runit later. |
| 18:28.58 | brocashelm | i've had runit on my systems since july and have had no issues, even if it's not a "complete" implementation (compared to artix or void) |
| 18:32.57 | IanJ | brocashelm: good to hear that :) |
| 18:33.13 | IanJ | I've changed my sources list and going through the steps one at a time. |
| 18:33.56 | brocashelm | nice |
| 18:34.56 | IanJ | uhoh |
| 18:35.33 | IanJ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:35.35 | IanJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.37 | IanJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.12 | IanJ | wish me luck, reboot time |
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| 18:42.06 | IanJ | OK! |
| 18:42.11 | IanJ | Still hangin in there :) |
| 18:42.36 | IanJ | I have /sbin/init as pid1 |
| 18:44.51 | IanJ | I have an alert screen warning me of it trying to uninstall the same version of the kernel as I'm meant to be running. |
| 18:45.24 | IanJ | It doesn't mention anything about this in the howto.. |
| 18:51.29 | IanJ | which linux image should I be on for x86 64 bit? |
| 18:57.35 | IanJ | Hoping it's this one linux-image-4.19.0-12-amd64 |
| 18:58.06 | ErRandir | ending in amd64 is good |
| 19:01.28 | IanJ | I'll try rebooting, that should complete the migration. |
| 19:01.35 | IanJ | brb, I hope :) |
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| 19:16.05 | fsmithred | he's migrating from buster, so it's the same kernel |
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| 19:16.57 | Soltis | Sidegraded Debian 10 to Ceres; no special config aside from that - cron is not emailing root or anywhere else when jobs fail. |
| 19:17.20 | Soltis | Why would something as fundamental as cron be completely hosed by default? |
| 19:17.43 | miskatonic | sidegraded ... what a word |
| 19:18.22 | Soltis | miskatonic: Got a better one? |
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| 19:25.13 | fsmithred | we usually say 'migrated' |
| 19:25.28 | fsmithred | or upgraded, which is more what you did |
| 19:26.51 | Soltis | Anyway, I followed the steps on the Devuan site for this process & didn't apparently end up with a fully working system. |
| 19:27.18 | fsmithred | I seem to be getting no system mail in chimaera. |
| 19:27.43 | fsmithred | This is the first time I checked. There are no directories in /var/mail or /var/spool/mail |
| 19:27.46 | Soltis | Interesting. |
| 19:28.24 | fsmithred | I have an exim4 init script and exim4 is running |
| 19:32.24 | fsmithred | if I change the hostname, then the FQDN for exim should also be changed, shouldn't it? |
| 19:32.50 | Soltis | I'd expect so, but I'm less familiar with exim. |
| 19:32.51 | fsmithred | I'm running 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' and it has the old hostname. |
| 19:33.09 | fsmithred | oh, they call it the mail name |
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| 19:37.04 | fsmithred | I thought that would ask me who should receive system mail, but it didn't |
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| 19:51.05 | Soltis | system mail should IIRC go to 'root' |
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| 19:51.15 | Soltis | I.e. no hostname, just the user |
| 19:53.01 | fsmithred | the debconf config used to ask who should receive the system mail. In the past, it was usually the primary user. (In the long ago past, root used to get it, but I think that was when I was on suse or redhat.) |
| 19:53.44 | fsmithred | in beowulf it is going to root. Actually to /var/mail/mail which only root can read. |
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| 19:54.24 | miskatonic | would it be possible to forward system mail to everyone in the wheel group? |
| 19:55.03 | fsmithred | 2014 bug report says edit /etc/aliases. The question only gets asked if that file does not exist. |
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| 20:02.15 | fsmithred | miskatonic, I don't know. I haven't come across anything like that. I think you would have to list them all. |
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| 20:45.35 | macondo123 | hi all, i tried to install dev1 on my other box, server down, anybody knows if it is up now? |
| 20:46.17 | fsmithred | macondo123, when did you try? |
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| 20:47.08 | macondo123 | befor noon EST |
| 20:47.11 | fsmithred | it was down a few days ago for maintenance, but ony for a short time |
| 20:47.25 | fsmithred | oh, maybe a mirror was syncing. Try again. |
| 20:47.58 | macondo123 | ok, thank you |
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| 23:42.34 | IanJ | That really didn't go well... |
| 23:43.22 | IanJ | I think I'd avoid following that migration until someone can verify it works for them. It certainly didn't work for me. |
| 23:43.58 | fsmithred | IanJ, I haven't done it lately, but I've done it a few times and it worked. |
| 23:44.00 | mason | IanJ: I've gone through it a few times. You should document what broke and we can work you through it. |
| 23:44.06 | fsmithred | where did you have trouble? |
| 23:44.38 | IanJ | Well, I managed to reboot ok after switching the packages and installing sysvinit. |
| 23:44.54 | IanJ | So I had sysvinit as pid1 |
| 23:45.07 | clort | popcorns at people spending time with 'os issues' |
| 23:45.28 | IanJ | When I tried to remove the packages systemd and libnss-systemd it wouldn't remove them. |
| 23:45.35 | mason | clot: Take unhelpful/antagonistic stuff to #devuan-offtopic. |
| 23:45.55 | tuxd3v | mason +1 |
| 23:46.19 | mason | IanJ: Did you capture output such that you can pastebin it? |
| 23:46.45 | mason | IanJ: Dinner now, but between everyone here we can likely help you complete the migration. |
| 23:46.50 | mason | I'll check in soon. |
| 23:47.03 | IanJ | Unfortunately it had all gone pretty wrong by then. I copied the bits of data I needed to the home partition to save them and did a fresh install. |
| 23:47.41 | IanJ | So I'm on devuan now, but the migration didn't go too well. |
| 23:48.44 | clort | i had one hairy migration too |
| 23:48.53 | IanJ | It was like an rpm dependancy hell, I couldn't install stuff because it said other packages conflicted and I couldn't remove packages because they were required by other packages... |
| 23:48.56 | clort | ended up making a big list of packages to dpkg-i |
| 23:49.55 | clort | after some renormalization cycles, it got straightened out |
| 23:49.55 | fsmithred | it's possible the guide needs to be upgraded or it's possible your configuration has a significant difference from what was tested |
| 23:50.08 | floofywolf | IanJ: apt-get -f install sometimes fixes that, apt-get dist-upgrade often fixes that, aptitude occasionally fixes that. changing distros isn't always trivial. |
| 23:51.24 | IanJ | floofywolf: I did try -f and updates, upgrades etc. But it was in some kind of gridlock. It did at one point ask me to run apt --fix-install or something but then complained about a user not being present. |
| 23:51.32 | fsmithred | IanJ, what desktop were you using in buster? |
| 23:51.40 | miskatonic | I avoid these migration turmoils and prefer to install from anew |
| 23:51.52 | IanJ | miskatonic: that's what I did in the end. |
| 23:52.40 | IanJ | fsmithred: I was using i3wm. |
| 23:53.13 | fsmithred | ok, that should work, but there must be some trick. |
| 23:53.24 | IanJ | After fighting with it the reboot started, gave me three kernel module errors and then failed to mount the drive partitions. |
| 23:53.34 | fsmithred | and I'm gonna guess that it had to do with elogind and libpam-elogind |
| 23:53.52 | fsmithred | and maybe libelogind0 |
| 23:53.53 | IanJ | It got to the press ctrl-d to repair system, but the keyboard was unresponsive. |
| 23:54.06 | IanJ | At that point I figured I was pretty hosed. |
| 23:54.25 | fsmithred | sometimes you have to install those specifically |
| 23:54.27 | fsmithred | ouch |
| 23:54.52 | IanJ | initramfs: couldn't load /aesni-intel.ko |
| 23:55.22 | IanJ | padlockaes.ko, crc32c-intel.ko |
| 23:55.50 | IanJ | that's all the notes I made unfortunately. |
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| 23:56.29 | IanJ | Anyway, much work to do now to get me back to where I was :) |
| 23:56.58 | fsmithred | thanks for reporting, and sorry it didn't go so well |
| 23:57.15 | IanJ | No problem, I forgot to start irc in tmux. brb |
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| 23:58.29 | IanJ | There's a lot to be said for having a separate /home partition at times like this :) |
| 23:59.01 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 23:59.29 | fsmithred | when you get around to upgrading to chimaera, it should go a lot better. |
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