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| 20:55.49 | golinux | I haven't auto removed packages for a while. Does apt ever get it wrong and break things? Or can I just nuke all of them? |
| 20:56.24 | golinux | This was prompted by the need for more disk space in / |
| 21:03.41 | mason | golinux: It generally gets it right, but it should give you a list to confirm. |
| 21:04.25 | golinux | Yes, it does. there are 56 of them and I have no idea what most of them do. |
| 21:04.27 | mason | golinux: It ought never to break anything. The risk is if you independently use functionality from one of the automatic packages. You can make it as manual with apt-mark(8) if that's the case. |
| 21:05.52 | golinux | I need to create an iso and need more space in /tmp |
| 21:06.26 | golinux | Will also purge unused locales. |
| 21:06.52 | golinux | I guess localepurge is the tool for that. |
| 21:07.00 | golinux | Thanks mason |
| 21:07.16 | specing | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.21 | specing | Put it on ram (tmpfs) |
| 21:08.09 | mason | golinux: apt-get clean can also help |
| 21:08.21 | golinux | I only have 8gb of ram and need more than that to create the iso |
| 21:09.46 | golinux | OK. I'll run apt-get clean and compare with autoremove |
| 21:11.35 | rrq | golinux: there might be a way to configure the iso making utility to us a different temporary path than /tmp |
| 21:13.03 | mason | golinux: Different things. The clean will zap cached packages. It's definitely worth doing both to clean up space. |
| 21:13.33 | golinux | root could use a good purge before I shut down jessie. |
| 21:14.07 | golinux | rrq: if I get rid of unnecessary pkgs and still need more room, I'll ping you. |
| 21:14.46 | golinux | I've got about 8gb free atm but it's complaining there's not enough. |
| 21:16.23 | golinux | mason: "clean" got me up to 12 gb free!! |
| 21:16.46 | rrq | .. just woke up so needs to scan backlog |
| 21:16.50 | golinux | I'll do autoremove next. |
| 21:17.30 | golinux | Really appreciate the tips, guys |
| 21:19.42 | mason | golinux: A good cue for autoremove is to run it after you install a new kernel. |
| 21:19.56 | mason | That'll have you running it often enough to be useful but not so often as to be annoying. |
| 21:20.29 | golinux | The problem is remembering to do it! LOL!!! |
| 21:26.17 | mason | This is true. |
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| 21:35.52 | golinux | One down. One to go! |
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| 22:19.50 | sgage | If you use apt-get install it caches a copy of the package. |
| 22:19.59 | sgage | If you use apt install, it does not. |
| 22:20.43 | sgage | Packages are cached in /var/cache/apt |
| 22:20.52 | gnarface | are you sure it doesn't just cache it somewhere else? |
| 22:20.58 | gnarface | interesting if so, though |
| 22:22.04 | sgage | apt-get clean deletes any cached packages |
| 22:22.26 | sgage | apt-get autoremove uninstalls packages that were installed as |
| 22:22.48 | sgage | dependencies of packages that have been uninstalled. |
| 22:23.03 | sgage | I've never had autoremove mess me up. |
| 22:24.05 | sgage | gnarface: yes, I'm pretty sure. But now I'm curious. Where would it put them?... |
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| 22:26.37 | aitor_ | hi |
| 22:28.47 | sgage | ahoy! |
| 22:31.38 | rrq | apparently apt has its own bespoke-format "file system" as a memory-mappable file to store packages in |
| 22:31.38 | aitor_ | i've been improving the live-sdk because it didn't work for testing/unstable |
| 22:32.14 | fsmithred | hi aitor_ |
| 22:32.50 | fsmithred | I can play with that after the beowulf point-release |
| 22:32.51 | aitor_ | hi fsr |
| 22:33.22 | fsmithred | which will be soon |
| 22:33.22 | aitor_ | fsmithred: here you are the generated image: |
| 22:34.10 | aitor_ | https://www.gnuinos.org/Devuan%20Drafts/ |
| 22:35.02 | fsmithred | does it boot? |
| 22:35.17 | aitor_ | yes, of course |
| 22:35.24 | fsmithred | ah, ok |
| 22:35.34 | aitor_ | and the installer worked too |
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| 22:35.42 | fsmithred | you forked live-config for runit? |
| 22:36.08 | aitor_ | sysvinit |
| 22:36.51 | fsmithred | I made a live-config-runit to safisfy the dependency for live-config-backend |
| 22:37.11 | aitor_ | good |
| 22:37.22 | fsmithred | installing runit removes live-config-sysvinit |
| 22:37.29 | aitor_ | the unique packages taken from gnuinos are libnetaid (shared library), simple-netaid-cdk (ncurses interface) and snetaid (the daemon) |
| 22:38.08 | aitor_ | i tested it several times |
| 22:38.40 | fsmithred | one thing that would be good for live-sdk is to be able to bypass the interactive questions |
| 22:38.59 | fsmithred | so that it can be automated |
| 22:39.22 | aitor_ | it's easy |
| 22:39.41 | fsmithred | good. I looked and had no idea where to start. |
| 22:41.36 | fsmithred | can you tell me how to do it in an email? |
| 22:41.58 | aitor_ | one obstacle would be the removal of sysvinit, because you need to type something like; Yes, do what i say! |
| 22:42.09 | aitor_ | yes, i can |
| 22:42.17 | fsmithred | oh, I don't need to make a runit iso with live-sdk |
| 22:42.24 | fsmithred | just sysvinit |
| 22:42.48 | aitor_ | ok i'll prepare you a mini how-to |
| 22:42.54 | fsmithred | thanks! |
| 22:43.22 | aitor_ | time to bed, it's a bit late for me and tomorrow is monday :) |
| 22:43.28 | fsmithred | sleep well |
| 22:43.31 | fsmithred | have good dreams |
| 22:43.37 | aitor_ | bye,fsr |
| 22:43.55 | aitor_ | and rrq, and company... |
| 22:44.47 | rrq | cheers |
| 22:47.15 | rrq | sgage: undocumented config Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true"; |
| 22:49.40 | sgage | rrq: thanks for that! I use apt a lot (too lazy to type -get, I guess) |
| 22:49.59 | sgage | and I have sometimes wished I had a package cached. |
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| 22:53.13 | clort | you can change apt's file-retention rules sgage |
| 22:53.54 | clort | where is that undocumented config Binary::apt thing |
| 22:54.24 | rrq | in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0 |
| 22:55.14 | clort | i think this is settable in /etc somewhere |
| 22:56.05 | gnarface | sgage: sorry i went afk there... would be somewhere else in /var/cache if it's following the rules |
| 22:56.28 | gnarface | sgage: for example, aptitude uses a different cache too, but it's just /var/cache/aptitude |
| 22:56.59 | n4dir | as a test i did apt install sl, then updatedb, then locate sl | grep deb. No nothing. Weird |
| 22:57.25 | gnarface | sgage: if it's really just not caching that's possible but that seems weird to me |
| 22:57.44 | n4dir | i apt-get --download-only to the rescue. :-) |
| 22:57.56 | gnarface | yea, nothing stops you from making your own cache |
| 22:58.04 | clort | i knew how to increase retention for /var/cache/apt/archives but forgot |
| 22:58.17 | n4dir | i for one prefer to just stick to apt-get, but not saying that would be better/good/anything |
| 22:58.58 | sgage | I guess I'll go with apt-get for now. |
| 22:59.19 | gnarface | that's what i use too, i think it's merely the oldest... |
| 22:59.36 | sgage | I must fly - time for the weekly Family Gathering on zoom |
| 22:59.38 | gnarface | it has fairly predictable failure cases and status output that i'm familiar with |
| 22:59.45 | n4dir | to me it is a simple question of muscle memory. As soon i type an a the hyphen just gets there ... |
| 22:59.48 | sgage | Thanks for the info, everyone... |
| 22:59.53 | gnarface | peace |
| 23:00.13 | gnarface | yea that too, n4dir |
| 23:00.51 | n4dir | even earlier, if i surely want to simply try apt, i have to use the del key to remove the - again. Well. Old dogs and all. |
| 23:02.54 | clort | i haven't seen a situation where apt-get install doesn't do the job |
| 23:03.48 | n4dir | i had seriously shitty situtations where aptitude helped. But perhaps 3 times in 15 years. + or minus. apt has a nice output though. |
| 23:03.58 | clort | 'mv'ing multi-gigabytes of files in linux still bogs things down in 2020 |
| 23:04.19 | clort | might be related to ext4 |
| 23:05.42 | clort | maybe rsync is gentler |
| 23:13.14 | clort | this is new to me - after big copies: swapoff failed: Cannot allocate memory |
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| 23:14.39 | clort | https://leizhilong.github.io/post/case-study-swapoff-cannot-allocate-memory/ |
| 23:14.41 | clort | interesting |
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| 23:28.38 | clort | swapoff caused OOM and got killed |
| 23:28.45 | clort | trying with a 2nd swap file |
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