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| 05:19.23 | rrq | fyi: dev1galaxy ("the forum") is being upgraded |
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| 05:58.51 | systemdlete | I have an ascii install that seems to have a broken "who" command -- it returns nothing. Not sure when this might have broken. |
| 06:04.11 | systemdlete | Well, call me a liar... it is working again. (After a reboot) |
| 06:04.27 | systemdlete | bangs head against desk. HARD. |
| 06:11.46 | tarzeau | systemdlete: next time try to run "reset" and then "who" |
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| 07:08.38 | systemdlete | tarzeau: Thanks. I'll TRY to remember that! |
| 07:09.35 | systemdlete | fsmithred: Is there an easy way to create LVM partitions for refracta install? Or will I need to do this with tools outside the installer? |
| 07:09.41 | tarzeau | it could maybe fix the terminal i/o |
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| 07:26.36 | DPA | systemdlete: I think that can happen if the /var/log/[uwb]tmp files are missing. Not sure which one it needs. Logins are only logged in there if the file already exists. |
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| 07:29.20 | systemdlete | Well, I did *nothing* other than reboot. The wtmp file is there now. Maybe rebooting creates the file? |
| 07:29.36 | systemdlete | The question, though, is why it disappeared at some point before I rebooted. |
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| 10:43.02 | fsmithred | systemdlete, lvm with refractainstaller is not difficult: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2323 |
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| 12:50.45 | unixbsd | For debootstrap failing regularly, I create my own apache server, mount DVD devuan iso on it /var/www .. and then I can debootstrap cleanly. it works. |
| 12:51.03 | unixbsd | In August, debootstrap wasnt working either. quite unstable. |
| 12:51.27 | unixbsd | i havent tested yesterday |
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| 15:04.36 | luser977 | did you see firefox update to 78.4.1 esr today? |
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| 15:12.20 | fsmithred | 78.4.1esr-1~deb10u1 is in beowulf-security |
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| 15:53.02 | luser977 | it updated in-app here, not from repo. |
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| 15:59.53 | Joril | Thunderbird on Linux auto-updating? That doesn't look good |
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| 16:02.10 | xinomilo | if you installed from upstream it auto-updates. if you installed from deb repo it doesn't.. |
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| 16:11.39 | luser977 | i edited about:config to make it ask permission. default .deb auto updates from firefox.com |
| 16:12.57 | gnarface | luser977: debian doesnt' support out-of-band updates. don't do this. |
| 16:13.12 | gnarface | or well, do it at your own risk |
| 16:15.17 | gnarface | if mozilla releases updates that debian thinks are actually important, they'll be included in the next beowulf-security update |
| 16:15.53 | luser977 | 78.4.1esr-1~deb10u1 is included as fsmithred said and i just checked now |
| 16:15.53 | gnarface | any other option means bypassing Debian support, and thereby also Devuan support |
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| 16:17.10 | user_____ | I don't expect #devuan to offer any support other than to install/deinstall the official .deb ff package really. |
| 16:18.22 | gnarface | they actually review every line of every patch with human eyes, and integrate it manually |
| 16:18.36 | fsmithred | they=debian |
| 16:18.54 | gnarface | yes, the scenario where they (debian) just blindly introduces binary stuff to main is imaginary |
| 16:19.00 | user_____ | Human eyes are somewhat thwarted by encrypted sqlite3 databases holding default configs as shipped in the ff. |
| 16:19.04 | fsmithred | and we inherit their changes |
| 16:19.08 | gnarface | now, non-free on the other hand isn't always very well audited.... |
| 16:19.27 | user_____ | isn't ff in the non free channel anyway? |
| 16:19.37 | gnarface | but getting direct updates from Mozilla through their built-in backchannel is bascially just like drinking unfiltered greywater |
| 16:19.44 | gnarface | no, ff is actually in main |
| 16:19.57 | user_____ | interesting, thanks for pointing that out |
| 16:20.30 | gnarface | uh... oh but beowulf might still only have firefox-esr becasue Rust became a build dependency but didn't clear the Buster freeze |
| 16:21.09 | gnarface | but even that isn't about licensing as much as just Mozilla not meeting deadlines |
| 16:21.34 | user_____ | just for laughs, anyone who did not edit about:config to change the default update options in ff 78.4.1 :: do you see auto update (from ff.com) on or off in settings? |
| 16:22.32 | user_____ | because no ff distributed by debian as .deb so far has had any way to update itself other than from ff.com |
| 16:24.02 | gnarface | well, you're supposed to update it with the built-in distro tools, not it's own mechanism |
| 16:24.46 | user_____ | yes. But it is safer [tm] to toggle the built in ff Preferences [update] setting to "check for updates and ask" instead of "auto install" which is the default as-shipped :) |
| 16:25.20 | gnarface | where are you actually seeing that preference setting? |
| 16:25.54 | gnarface | because i'm not finding it here |
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| 16:26.05 | gnarface | i think my preferences panel just has a link to firefox.com instead |
| 16:26.06 | user_____ | ff Edit -> Preferences ;; enter update in search box -> Allow Forefox to: ... |
| 16:26.35 | user_____ | Interesting, I will try to sort this later. There must be a difference between the deb shipped ff and the upstream. |
| 16:26.39 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 16:26.50 | gnarface | the test "Allow Firefox to:" doesn't even appear when i enter that search |
| 16:27.05 | gnarface | instead, i get "Firefox Home Content" |
| 16:27.11 | gnarface | Choose what content you want on your Firefox Home screen. |
| 16:27.14 | user_____ | Sounds like I've been kidnapped by the oem's version :) |
| 16:27.15 | gnarface | (4 unchecked boxes) |
| 16:27.22 | gnarface | i think so |
| 16:27.31 | gnarface | i think you're not even seen the same preferences panel as us anymore |
| 16:27.40 | user_____ | indeed |
| 16:28.01 | gnarface | Debian would have disabled this functionality in as cheap and low-impact way as possible, which would mean you could easily sabotage yourself by re-enabling it manually |
| 16:28.02 | user_____ | I will sort this later, need to do some things. Adblock etc seem to work as before the update. |
| 16:29.49 | gnarface | it *might* get around the root permissions barricade by bundling updates into your ~/.mozilla/ directory somewhere. maybe you can roll back to the system version by just purging ~/.mozilla/ |
| 16:30.10 | gnarface | not sure though |
| 16:30.13 | user_____ | that is very unsafe, the working profiles are there |
| 16:30.15 | gnarface | if you ever ran it as root all bets are off |
| 16:30.32 | user_____ | never ran it as root, but the system is not particularly secured |
| 16:30.37 | user_____ | I am not worried. Yet. |
| 16:30.43 | gnarface | well, let me remind you that you already crossed the furthest extent of lines drawn in the sand to protect you |
| 16:30.58 | user_____ | Yeah, need to feed the sandworms. |
| 16:31.01 | gnarface | so saying "that is very unsafe" is kinda hysterical right now |
| 16:31.47 | gnarface | i would suggest don't actually delete ~/.mozilla/ to test this theory, simply rename it temporarily so that you can put it back |
| 16:32.19 | user_____ | I did the deletion thing before once, it's filed away tagged "never do that again" |
| 16:33.45 | user_____ | <unrelated> EU is trying to puss master decryption keys for all online services. Devuan will be affected if it passes. |
| 16:33.59 | user_____ | *push |
| 16:34.56 | user_____ | Imagine every server would have to have a "master' key permitting "authorized persons" to access it at any time. I'm sure systemd can provide that (indirectly). |
| 16:45.58 | user_____ | Hey, maybe the ubuntu desktop exploit I linked in #*-offtopic is that universal access means! |
| 16:46.49 | gnarface | user_____: leave it in #devuan-offtopic. this channel is for support. |
| 16:46.57 | user_____ | yes |
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