| 00:00.45 | rennj | fonts same deal |
| 00:04.31 | rennj | for over decade i do kernel/firmware/gnu coreutils/xorg/vmware player 128MB - 360MB.iso |
| 00:04.42 | rennj | soon 500MB! |
| 00:05.12 | rennj | in-memory ramos poor mans version of vmware esxi with vcenter |
| 00:05.22 | rennj | back when vcenter required winblows box |
| 00:07.13 | golinux | Is there a support question in there? |
| 00:07.27 | rennj | gatekeeper! |
| 00:07.39 | rennj | want less bloat go embedded buildroot |
| 00:07.47 | rennj | dump the gnu glibc |
| 00:07.53 | rennj | musl uclibc |
| 00:08.01 | rennj | perhaps redhats newlibc |
| 00:08.04 | rennj | hehe |
| 00:09.36 | golinux | Yeah. Maybe take your rant to OT |
| 00:11.10 | mason | To be fair, rennj was answering suavedandy's question about achieving less bloat, maybe just taken to endgame. :P |
| 00:11.32 | mason | suavedandy: The best way to avoid bloat is generally to install with --no-install-recommends. |
| 00:11.36 | rennj | gatekeeper doesnt care about that |
| 00:11.41 | rennj | this is repeated pattern |
| 00:11.49 | rennj | facts dont matter |
| 00:11.53 | rennj | heh |
| 00:12.10 | mason | rennj: Suggesting a different libc might have been pursuing the goal with an unusual amount of zeal. |
| 00:12.40 | rennj | you want less bloat you got to make choices.. |
| 00:15.29 | mason | I think --no-install-recommends is the best balance of effort and reward at persent. He's already skipping a desktop environment, which is a good move. |
| 00:15.49 | rennj | openbsd6.8 is bloat free for sure |
| 00:16.02 | rennj | and comes with a compiler |
| 00:16.07 | rennj | like 1.5GB |
| 00:16.25 | rennj | nice unice for size and time period we live in |
| 00:16.43 | rennj | whats slackware like 6GB |
| 00:17.05 | rennj | my ramos is 360Mb.iso 1.2GB unsquashfs |
| 00:17.16 | rennj | no compiler |
| 00:17.40 | mason | rennj: Ah, you should be in #devuan-offtopic just to idle. I went to reply to the Slackware thing there, but you weren't there. |
| 00:18.05 | rennj | tinycore linux is what 14MB |
| 00:18.27 | rennj | once i switch to kvm/qemu and dump vmware |
| 00:18.30 | rennj | ill be good |
| 00:18.44 | mason | Slackware weighs in well north of 6GB, FWIW. |
| 00:19.08 | rennj | without tex/tcl/tk/games/kde |
| 00:19.12 | mason | kk |
| 00:19.24 | rennj | just enough os |
| 00:19.30 | rennj | remember jeos |
| 00:19.49 | rennj | just enough os to run everything else in a vm, or lxc container |
| 00:20.16 | mason | So, *I'd* be more comfortable talking about it in #devuan-offtopic, since I'm in there and I agree with keeping the main channel on-topic. That said, I'm going to go have dinner, so I'll be back in a bit. |
| 00:20.19 | rennj | vmware and joyent smartos only onces doing it |
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| 00:32.17 | rennj | proxmox |
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| 00:47.50 | suavedandy | Okay, I went with rennj's instructions. |
| 00:48.26 | rennj | not mine, that the link i googled |
| 00:48.37 | rennj | google for you! |
| 00:48.43 | suavedandy | Apparently, even with --without-recommends xorg metapackage still pulls some nouveue stuff. |
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| 00:49.01 | rennj | google : devuan xorg minimal install |
| 00:49.15 | rennj | yeah nouveue is needed |
| 00:49.36 | rennj | rust compile is my guess |
| 00:49.45 | suavedandy | Well, I have Intel Integrated Graphics Registered Trademark. |
| 00:49.53 | rennj | i removed libvouveue and xorg breaks |
| 00:50.07 | rennj | im talking about the build of the binarys |
| 00:50.11 | rennj | mesa or something |
| 00:50.25 | rennj | some libs are linked in |
| 00:50.42 | rennj | and even if you dont have nvidia hardware you still need some libs |
| 00:50.43 | suavedandy | No, it, like, pulled xserver-xorg-video-nouveue |
| 00:51.01 | suavedandy | Sure I set switches correctly. |
| 00:51.09 | suavedandy | I did -Ry. |
| 00:51.26 | suavedandy | -R for --without-recommends. |
| 00:51.43 | suavedandy | And -y for self-explanatory lazy trick. |
| 00:52.06 | suavedandy | But the method above works. |
| 00:52.10 | rennj | like libLLVM you cant avoid some things |
| 00:52.17 | suavedandy | No nouveue drivers. |
| 00:52.27 | rennj | i have no nouveue driver |
| 00:52.34 | rennj | and i still have to have libnouveue |
| 00:52.39 | rennj | do you understand!!!!!! |
| 00:52.42 | suavedandy | Me too. |
| 00:52.44 | rennj | and i still have to have libnouveue |
| 00:52.55 | rennj | because the compile most likely |
| 00:52.55 | suavedandy | libnouveue2 |
| 00:53.17 | suavedandy | The only nouveue package I have right now. |
| 00:53.37 | suavedandy | Tho Rust I don't have. |
| 00:53.57 | suavedandy | I don't make stuff with Rust. |
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| 00:54.16 | rennj | libcuda/libvulkan there is bunch of things going to pull in other things |
| 00:54.19 | suavedandy | Although I heard some packages depend on it. |
| 00:55.18 | rennj | dll hell |
| 00:55.29 | suavedandy | Lel. |
| 00:55.41 | suavedandy | It's like Windows all over again. |
| 00:55.59 | rennj | always go back to static compiling, vs this dynamic mess |
| 00:56.24 | rennj | why nix/guix declarative build systems |
| 00:56.35 | suavedandy | I prefer sticking to binary repos. |
| 00:56.35 | rennj | reproducible build system |
| 00:57.24 | rrq | please move chit-chat to #devuan-offtopic |
| 00:57.42 | suavedandy | I wasn't chit-chatting. |
| 00:57.45 | suavedandy | Not me. |
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| 00:57.57 | suavedandy | I was just passing by. |
| 01:10.05 | golinux | Are you talking about libnouveau? |
| 01:33.35 | golinux | If so, would help to spell it correctly. suavedandy ^^^ |
| 01:34.05 | suavedandy | The package is called libnouveue2 |
| 01:34.39 | suavedandy | "2" may be just a version number. |
| 01:35.00 | suavedandy | *libnouveau2 |
| 01:35.23 | suavedandy | golinux: Come on, noone can spell this darn package correctly. |
| 01:35.31 | suavedandy | It's a mess of a name. |
| 01:35.46 | suavedandy | libnewwauw |
| 01:36.03 | suavedandy | libneuwu |
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| 01:39.26 | suavedandy | uwus to furrywolf |
| 01:40.20 | golinux | Basic French |
| 01:40.29 | furrywolf | awoo! |
| 01:40.53 | suavedandy | OwO |
| 01:41.16 | golinux | Sounds like that needs to move to #offtopic . . . please |
| 01:41.27 | suavedandy | Basic French. Which I never learned. |
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| 01:42.10 | suavedandy | golinux: We barely said anything. |
| 01:43.15 | golinux | Actually you said nothing. |
| 01:43.24 | golinux | take it to the right place. |
| 01:44.02 | suavedandy | shrugs |
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| 16:34.38 | suavedandy | I still don't understand why OpenRC can't stop anacron. |
| 16:36.52 | gnarface | only anacron? |
| 16:37.19 | suavedandy | Yeah. |
| 16:37.30 | gnarface | weird |
| 16:37.36 | gnarface | any error? |
| 16:37.40 | suavedandy | It says action "start" is meaningless. |
| 16:37.49 | suavedandy | *"stop" |
| 16:37.54 | gnarface | oh |
| 16:37.59 | gnarface | what if you don't specify any action? |
| 16:38.05 | gnarface | does it print the available actions? |
| 16:38.21 | suavedandy | It says this when I shut down. |
| 16:38.34 | suavedandy | I don't specify anything. |
| 16:38.36 | gnarface | huh |
| 16:38.44 | gnarface | that's weird, sounds like a bug, but maybe one that's easy to fix |
| 16:38.53 | gnarface | either it's calling the wrong action, or the action is missing |
| 16:39.05 | gnarface | actually stopping anacron should be easy |
| 16:39.07 | suavedandy | It also finds "resolvable dependency loops" on startup. |
| 16:39.26 | gnarface | i don't know crap about openrc, sorry |
| 16:39.49 | gnarface | well i know a little, but nothing that would help with this |
| 16:40.37 | suavedandy | Apparently, those "resolvable dependency loops" are connected to encryption. |
| 16:41.02 | gnarface | if it were just a plain sysvinit install i'd know where to go to check what's not working for anacron |
| 16:41.06 | gnarface | i think |
| 16:41.31 | gnarface | for openrc first thing you need to do is figure out if it's dependent on sysvinit or not |
| 16:41.39 | gnarface | sysvinit might be the thing actually starting up and shutting down |
| 16:42.02 | gnarface | but there's another way to setup openrc where it's working alone |
| 16:42.33 | suavedandy | OpenRC replaces SysV-RC, not SysVinit. |
| 16:42.37 | gnarface | if you figure that out, it should be easier to search for documentation |
| 16:43.17 | suavedandy | It's not an init system. Still depends on SysVinit. |
| 16:43.47 | gnarface | well, can you tell if it's calling /etc/init.d/anacron ? |
| 16:44.16 | suavedandy | Gimme a sec. Need to turn off LightDM. |
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| 16:45.55 | gnarface | i'm not 100% sure that would be the exact name but it would be a script in that directory |
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| 16:46.45 | gnarface | i'm using /etc/init.d/cron, here |
| 16:47.12 | gnarface | it's Vixie Cron |
| 16:49.08 | gnarface | when you find the script you should be able to call it by hand to get the same output |
| 16:50.43 | ShorTie | i'd 'grep anacron /etc' to find all, might be hiding in rc.d or where not, if me |
| 16:51.07 | suavedandy | How do I prevent a daemon from autostarting? |
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| 16:57.35 | Xenguy | It's been quite awhile actually, but I think this is one way: |
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| 16:57.47 | Xenguy | # whatis update-rc.d |
| 16:57.47 | Xenguy | update-rc.d (8) - install and remove System-V style init script links |
| 16:58.40 | gnarface | yea the easiest way is to use update-rc.d to manipulate the symlinks |
| 16:58.54 | Xenguy | Not sure if there are less low-level methods currently (there used to be) |
| 17:00.37 | gnarface | i'm not sure if openrc wouldn't have something separate |
| 17:00.49 | onefang | sysv-conf-rc? |
| 17:04.42 | Xenguy | onefang: That rings a bell, but I don't see it as a devuan package anymore. |
| 17:05.05 | onefang | Er sysv-rc-conf I meant. lol |
| 17:06.17 | Xenguy | Looks like 'rcconf' is still around |
| 17:08.13 | ShorTie | ya, sysv-rc-conf is preaty cool, easier then update-rc.d |
| 17:08.16 | Xenguy | Yep, sysv-rc-conf is still around too, yay. Those are the only 2 that I'm aware off, besides update-rc.d itself |
| 17:10.39 | furrywolf | I always forget what the tools are or how to use them, and twiddle the symlinks. |
| 17:10.41 | onefang | Though I found out recently the hard way that sysv-rc-conf doesn't update the /etc/init.d/.depend.* files, you need to run insserv for that. |
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| 17:17.40 | suavedandy | Alright. I figured this out. Just removed LightDM from the default runlevel with rc-update. |
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| 17:24.14 | gnarface | ah, that is probably the right thing to do, use the openrc tool |
| 17:24.23 | gnarface | update-rc.d is the sysvinit tool |
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| 17:51.55 | suavedandy | gnarface: Restarting cron did absolutely nothing. |
| 17:52.22 | suavedandy | Restarted just fine. |
| 17:54.15 | mason | suavedandy: When I reported the bug recently where OpenRC was using the wrong flag to start-stop-daemon, it turns out that OpenRC ships their own and it's not a 100% match. I wouldn't be wholly surprised if this was related. |
| 17:54.45 | suavedandy | ShorTie: "grep anacron /etc" complains that /etc is a directory. |
| 17:55.40 | suavedandy | Should I install OpenRC from backports? |
| 17:56.04 | ShorTie | grep -r anacron /etc , Sorry |
| 17:59.04 | suavedandy | Well, the only reference for anacron I found was in crontab. |
| 18:00.10 | ShorTie | ya, me 2, some test -x /usr/sbin/anacron |
| 18:00.31 | suavedandy | There is no /usr/bin/anacron tho. |
| 18:01.38 | ShorTie | sounds like it is not installed |
| 18:02.05 | suavedandy | Yeah, it's not. |
| 18:02.29 | ShorTie | i'd install mlocate, updatedb and locate bin/anacron |
| 18:03.03 | ShorTie | see if sbin or bin, as mines lookin for sbin |
| 18:04.14 | suavedandy | Good news. |
| 18:04.34 | suavedandy | Installed anacron, one problem solved. |
| 18:04.44 | suavedandy | The other problem left. |
| 18:05.00 | suavedandy | AppArmor fails to stop when shutting down. |
| 18:05.33 | suavedandy | How do I view the shutdown logs? |
| 18:13.47 | ShorTie | i'd dp the grep thingy for AppArmor/apparmor |
| 18:14.17 | ShorTie | grep id case sensative, without flag |
| 18:17.40 | suavedandy | There are /etc/apparmor.d/, /etc/apparmor and /etc/init.d/apparmor. |
| 18:18.28 | suavedandy | And yes, Aptitude shows that AppArmor is installed. |
| 18:18.52 | suavedandy | Why would it not? It's Debian's SELinux. |
| 18:19.03 | suavedandy | It's installed by default. |
| 18:20.03 | ShorTie | look in /etc/init.d/apparmor for stop/start/... i'd guess |
| 18:21.23 | ShorTie | SELinux is not a defualt thing i think |
| 18:21.30 | suavedandy | It isn't. |
| 18:21.47 | suavedandy | It's CentOS/Fedora's thing. |
| 18:21.52 | ShorTie | needs install/setup or sumfin |
| 18:22.28 | suavedandy | Installing SELinux on Debian is finnicky. |
| 18:23.44 | suavedandy | There is "start|stopâ¦" in /etc/init.d/apparmor, yes. |
| 18:24.35 | suavedandy | Should I try to stop it? |
| 18:28.58 | suavedandy | "No profiles have been unloaded." |
| 18:30.00 | suavedandy | "Unloading profiles will leave already running processes permanently unconfined, which can lead to unexpected situations." |
| 18:30.10 | suavedandy | That's the problem. |
| 18:30.25 | suavedandy | AppArmor refuses to stop. |
| 18:31.27 | ShorTie | sortta sounds like it is not setup right to me |
| 18:31.52 | suavedandy | It is not set up at all. |
| 18:32.19 | suavedandy | I didn't fiddle with AppArmor. |
| 18:32.26 | ShorTie | sounds like it needs to stop stuff before it can actually stop |
| 18:33.19 | suavedandy | Well, what do I do? |
| 18:33.40 | ShorTie | ah, set it up maybe ?? |
| 18:33.48 | suavedandy | How? |
| 18:34.04 | suavedandy | Like I know how to use AppArmor. |
| 18:34.13 | ShorTie | Sorry, got me, never used it |
| 18:34.45 | ShorTie | Mr.Google most likely knows howto |
| 18:40.07 | suavedandy | Okay, grepped dmesg. |
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| 18:50.03 | suavedandy | apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_load" profile="unconfined" name="/usr/sbin/haveged" pid=1935 comm="apparmor_parser" |
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| 18:51.52 | suavedandy | Same for /usr/bin/man |
| 18:51.58 | suavedandy | chronyd too. |
| 18:52.13 | suavedandy | msmtp |
| 18:52.48 | suavedandy | lightdm-guest-session |
| 18:53.22 | suavedandy | All of them have profiles set to "unconfined" for whatever reason. |
| 18:55.25 | suavedandy | I don't get it. |
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| 20:04.40 | suavedandy | I⦠I don't even know what to do by this point. |
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| 21:02.31 | unixbsd | debootstrap pkgmaster is broken? |
| 21:02.55 | unixbsd | Since this morning the debootsrap on ascii on amd64 and i386 fails. it is broken. |
| 21:03.14 | unixbsd | I tried pkgmaster and other localcountry sever. what is going on with the main server? |
| 21:03.46 | unixbsd | it fails now still at libhogweed4 and previously it failed at bash: couldnd download packages. is a fix possible? |
| 21:04.12 | unixbsd | please help to get http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged healthy again. thank you very much. |
| 21:04.52 | rrq | meanwhile you could use deb.devuan.org perhaps |
| 21:06.12 | unixbsd | which one is the mother one, non brokenÃ? |
| 21:06.30 | unixbsd | Sbdy told me that pkgmaster is the main one... |
| 21:08.04 | rrq | deb.devuan.org is the mirrors collection; all rsyncing from pkgmaster |
| 21:08.18 | rrq | all of them are transiently broken while updating |
| 21:09.01 | unixbsd | sounds a big general break down of the server pkg... man serious stuff |
| 21:09.10 | rrq | I'm checking if it's something more than that |
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| 21:12.15 | unixbsd | it is like this since this morning. yestersday and days agoo, the pkgs were fine and working. |
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| 21:18.17 | rrq | I can see it's slow at serving Packages files |
| 21:21.56 | rrq | the weekly "major update" was 8h ago; not sure what it was, but some mirrors are still getting updated. |
| 21:24.57 | unixbsd | for file server, usually i use freebsd, it has a stable networking stack. With linux, it can be up and down with file serving. |
| 21:28.55 | unixbsd | no no ... it is still not working |
| 21:29.01 | unixbsd | couldnt not find sed package |
| 21:29.06 | unixbsd | could not find coreutils |
| 21:29.51 | unixbsd | pkgmaster is not working. missing packages, sometimes even major ones. |
| 21:30.57 | unixbsd | maybe a way would be to give a static DVD work around like pkgmaster.static.devuan.org <-- this one would be at least stable... like the dvd iso. |
| 21:31.45 | unixbsd | on /var/www/... of the server. unpack the dvd and it is fine, as a possible work around that would offer a stable deboostrap server at least. |
| 21:32.50 | unixbsd | both tests now, just failed on pkgmaster :( for i386 and amd64. |
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| 22:22.22 | rrq | mmm can't find any reason "internally" on devuan's infra |
| 22:23.44 | rrq | but there's some b/w limiter for me somewhere in between me and there |
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| 22:29.43 | rrq | equally bad with ipv4 as ipv6 |
| 22:40.09 | rrq | EU-AUS, and EU-US both probe at about 250 kB/s for me |
| 22:41.32 | suavedandy | Damn it. LightDM demands ConsoleKit. |
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| 22:51.33 | bbuccianti | hi people! |
| 22:51.45 | bbuccianti | I have a problem with ceres |
| 22:52.02 | gnarface | common |
| 22:52.12 | bbuccianti | I installed beowulf and then migrated to ceres |
| 22:52.34 | gnarface | so far, still common |
| 22:52.45 | bbuccianti | but dist-upgrade seems to have removed some programs |
| 22:53.02 | bbuccianti | for example, I use dvorak as a default keymap |
| 22:53.17 | bbuccianti | but on the next boot, it doesn't work with dvorak |
| 22:53.26 | gnarface | yep, common |
| 22:53.38 | gnarface | it's part of the development process |
| 22:53.59 | gnarface | ideally, you'd be paying attention to what it wants to remove, and just not upgrade while it wants to remove something important |
| 22:54.08 | bbuccianti | ouch |
| 22:54.15 | bbuccianti | what can I do? |
| 22:54.25 | gnarface | if you're lucky and still have the old versions in your cache you can probably roll back easy |
| 22:54.33 | bbuccianti | need to learn how |
| 22:54.34 | bbuccianti | wait |
| 22:54.37 | gnarface | i don't know specifics about setting up dvorak though |
| 22:54.43 | brocashelm | i'm using ceres and reporting no problems with it. what packages in particular? |
| 22:54.58 | bbuccianti | I don't know really I was looking up that |
| 22:55.23 | bbuccianti | but seems like I need to have keyboard-configuration in order to being able to use dvorak on the login screen? |
| 22:55.41 | gnarface | most likely you need that for any keyboard mapping other than default |
| 22:56.03 | brocashelm | packages get installed/removed normally as part of dependencies, or else they get held back (default) if the latter is more likely until newer builds can match current installed |
| 22:56.07 | gnarface | you'll also wnat locales and tzdata |
| 22:56.11 | bbuccianti | yeah, and the when I want to install keyboard-configuration seems like liblocale-gettext-perl complains that perlapi-5.30.0 is not installable |
| 22:56.12 | gnarface | want* |
| 22:56.46 | gnarface | hmm, i did just do a ceres upgrade myself, and i noticed perl was held back |
| 22:56.51 | gnarface | did you install that perl? |
| 22:56.55 | brocashelm | i remember having an issue with python that i just had to let it go (but i copied the binary files over from a backup so i could still use youtube-dl) |
| 22:56.59 | bbuccianti | I don't remember |
| 22:57.10 | brocashelm | perl and perl-base are held back for me atm |
| 22:57.10 | bbuccianti | but I don't think so |
| 22:57.22 | gnarface | you might need to go back to the previous perl because stuff hasn't all migrated to it yet |
| 22:57.38 | bbuccianti | ok, I need to figure it out how to do it |
| 22:57.39 | gnarface | i've had a similar problem on sid |
| 22:57.55 | gnarface | basically find out the previous version and it's just "apt-get install package=version" |
| 22:58.06 | bbuccianti | there is a common or base package that install all of the default ones? |
| 22:58.46 | gnarface | the one called perl, probably, but there's no guarantee you won't have to do more than one or even all of them individually |
| 22:59.21 | gnarface | if you "dpkg -l |grep perl" you can see them listed with the versions |
| 22:59.58 | bbuccianti | that runs really slow |
| 22:59.59 | bbuccianti | :D |
| 23:01.12 | bbuccianti | I have perl and perl-base 5.32.0-4 |
| 23:01.32 | bbuccianti | also perl-modules-5.28 and perl-modules-5.32 |
| 23:01.41 | bbuccianti | maybe I need to go back to perl-modules-5.28? |
| 23:02.18 | gnarface | "ii" are the installed ones |
| 23:02.35 | bbuccianti | yeah both are installed |
| 23:02.42 | gnarface | sometimes stuff that was removed will still be listed as "rc" if it was not purged |
| 23:03.15 | gnarface | perl-base is suspect, i have 5.30.3-4 here |
| 23:03.25 | gnarface | roll that back and the rest might sort itself |
| 23:03.36 | brocashelm | same version |
| 23:03.38 | gnarface | i have perl-modules-5.30 |
| 23:03.49 | gnarface | er, i mean 5.30.3-4 |
| 23:03.57 | gnarface | same version as the perl version yea |
| 23:04.08 | brocashelm | IMO it's better to wait awhile for new builds |
| 23:04.09 | gnarface | probably that stuff works best if it all is of matching version |
| 23:04.25 | bbuccianti | version 5.30.3-4 for perl-base was not found |
| 23:04.31 | gnarface | ouch |
| 23:04.33 | gnarface | they removed it already |
| 23:04.40 | gnarface | you'd have to get it from snapshots then |
| 23:04.48 | bbuccianti | snapshots? |
| 23:04.51 | gnarface | unless it's still in your /var/cache/ directory |
| 23:04.59 | gnarface | in /var/cache/apt perhaps |
| 23:05.15 | bbuccianti | yeah! |
| 23:05.16 | bbuccianti | there it is |
| 23:05.19 | gnarface | http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 23:05.21 | gnarface | this is snapshots |
| 23:05.32 | bbuccianti | I have thosein cache |
| 23:05.34 | gnarface | i don't know if there's a devuan one, but it would work for unforked packages like perl |
| 23:05.43 | gnarface | your lucky day then perhaps |
| 23:05.52 | bbuccianti | so I can just pass it over to apt? |
| 23:06.32 | gnarface | should work, no guarantees, downgrades aren't strictly supported |
| 23:07.36 | bbuccianti | so now, how can I install all those packages like keyboard-configuration? |
| 23:07.40 | bbuccianti | those are not default ones? |
| 23:07.48 | bbuccianti | can I install a default-system package or something? |
| 23:07.56 | brocashelm | it's an essential package, so it should be patched asap |
| 23:08.28 | bbuccianti | patched? |
| 23:09.00 | brocashelm | by the debian devs for sid |
| 23:09.09 | bbuccianti | oh I see |
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| 23:09.32 | bbuccianti | well thanks a lot gnarface and brocashelm ! |
| 23:09.41 | brocashelm | np |
| 23:09.42 | brocashelm | good luck |
| 23:09.43 | gnarface | bbuccianti: the meta-packages that group presets of packages are all named starting with "task-" try this: apt-cache search ^task- |
| 23:10.45 | gnarface | something like task-desktop or task-laptop might be in order if you feel like you're missing a lot of stuff and you don't want to hunt everything individually |
| 23:11.31 | bbuccianti | yeah I rebooted and still don't have keymap on login screen |
| 23:11.39 | bbuccianti | let me try that ^task- serach |
| 23:12.54 | gnarface | there might be some elogind related backend library package that could be wrong too |
| 23:13.04 | gnarface | ran into something like that before but can't remember the package name |
| 23:13.31 | gnarface | something related to elogind or the graphical login |
| 23:13.48 | gnarface | hibernate/snooze buttons on the login screen weren't working either until i changed it |
| 23:14.02 | bbuccianti | Oh I just have the console login screen |
| 23:14.14 | gnarface | oh hmmm |
| 23:14.33 | gnarface | do you have a /etc/default/keyboard file? |
| 23:14.37 | bbuccianti | yes |
| 23:14.52 | gnarface | that's where the setting is stored |
| 23:14.52 | bbuccianti | with the correct kxblayout and xkbvariant |
| 23:14.54 | bbuccianti | us and dvorak |
| 23:15.08 | gnarface | if it's not working then i don't know either, sorry :( |
| 23:15.14 | gnarface | could be a bug, unstable can be a mess |
| 23:15.24 | bbuccianti | yeah, but sway isn't on beowulf |
| 23:18.05 | bbuccianti | maybe it is a service or something? |
| 23:18.12 | gnarface | not as far as i know |
| 23:18.13 | rrq | unixbsd: pm |
| 23:18.30 | gnarface | bbuccianti: "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" doesn't help? |
| 23:18.47 | gnarface | bbuccianti: i told you to make sure locales and tzdata were installed too right |
| 23:18.49 | gnarface | bbuccianti: ? |
| 23:19.15 | gnarface | brb |
| 23:19.48 | bbuccianti | yeah I forgot about those |
| 23:19.50 | bbuccianti | let me check |
| 23:20.52 | bbuccianti | I have locales 2.31-4 |
| 23:21.04 | bbuccianti | tzdata 2020d-1 |
| 23:22.41 | gnarface | you can dpkg-reconfigure them too |
| 23:23.24 | gnarface | and most people don't need to go through all the hassle setting up exim4 that they do, because "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" covers most standard configurations |
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| 23:25.34 | bbuccianti | warning! setting locale failed |
| 23:29.18 | bbuccianti | I have a paniclog from dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 23:30.23 | bbuccianti | malformed IP address notset in local_interfaces |
| 23:30.31 | bbuccianti | I don't even know what is exim4 |
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